http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/20/world/europe/in-norway-tv-program-on-firewood-elicits-passions.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&hp&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1361372698-wCERYvd3hXDjYFAKvMX5cQ&
QuoteBark Up or Down? Firewood Splits Norwegians
OSLO — The TV program, on the topic of firewood, consisted mostly of people in parkas chatting and chopping in the woods and then eight hours of a fire burning in a fireplace. Yet no sooner had it begun, on prime time on Friday night, than the angry responses came pouring in.
"We received about 60 text messages from people complaining about the stacking in the program," said Lars Mytting, whose best-selling book "Solid Wood: All About Chopping, Drying and Stacking Wood — and the Soul of Wood-Burning" inspired the broadcast. "Fifty percent complained that the bark was facing up, and the rest complained that the bark was facing down."
He explained, "One thing that really divides Norway is bark."
One thing that does not divide Norway, apparently, is its love of discussing Norwegian wood. Nearly a million people, or 20 percent of the population, tuned in at some point to the program, which was shown on the state broadcaster, NRK.
In a country where 1.2 million households have fireplaces or wood stoves, said Rune Moeklebust, NRK's head of programs in the west coast city of Bergen, the subject naturally lends itself to television.
"My first thought was, 'Well, why not make a TV series about firewood?'" Mr. Moeklebust said in an interview. "And that eventually cut down to a 12-hour show, with four hours of ordinary produced television, and then eight hours of showing a fireplace live."
There is no question that it is a popular topic. "Solid Wood" spent more than a year on the nonfiction best-seller list in Norway. Sales so far have exceeded 150,000 copies — the equivalent, as a percentage of the population, to 9.5 million in the United States — not far below the figures for E. L. James's Norwegian hit "Fifty Shades Fanget," proof that thrills come in many forms.
"National Firewood Night," as Friday's program was called, opened with the host, Rebecca Nedregotten Strand, promising to "try to get to the core of Norwegian firewood culture — because firewood is the foundation of our lives." Various people discussed its historical and personal significance. "We'll be sawing, we'll be splitting, we'll be stacking and we'll be burning," Ms. Nedregotten Strand said.
But the real excitement came when the action moved, four hours later, to a fireplace in a Bergen farmhouse.
Perhaps you have seen a log fire burning on television before. But it would be very foolish to confuse Norway's eight-hour fireplace extravaganza on Friday with the Yule log broadcast in the United States at Christmastime.
While the Yule log fire plays on a constant repeating loop, the fire on "National Firewood Night" burned all night long, in suspensefully unscripted configurations. Fresh wood was added through the hours by an NRK photographer named Ingrid Tangstad Hatlevoll, aided by viewers who sent advice via Facebook on where exactly to place it.
For most of the time, the only sound came from the fire. Ms. Hatlevoll's face never appeared on screen, but occasionally her hands could be seen putting logs in the fireplace, or cooking sausages and marshmallows on sticks.
"I couldn't go to bed because I was so excited," a viewer called niesa36 said on the Dagbladet newspaper Web site. "When will they add new logs? Just before I managed to tear myself away, they must have opened the flue a little, because just then the flames shot a little higher.
"I'm not being ironic," the viewer continued. "For some reason, this broadcast was very calming and very exciting at the same time."
To be fair, the program was not universally acclaimed. On Twitter, a viewer named Andre Ulveseter said: "Went to throw a log on the fire, got mixed up, and smashed it right into the TV."
But Derek Miller, an expatriate American and author of the novel "Norwegian by Night," said the broadcast appealed to Norwegians' nostalgia for a simpler time as well as demonstrating the importance of firewood in their lives. "The sense of creating warmth, both symbolically and literally, to share conversation, to share food, to share silence, is essential to the Norwegian identity," he said in an interview.
"Solid Wood," the title of Mr. Mytting's book, has a double meaning in Norwegian, signifying also a person with a strong, dependable character. Its publication appears to have given older Norwegian men, a traditionally taciturn group, permission to reveal their deepest thoughts while seemingly discussing firewood. In this way they are akin to passionate fishermen roused from monosyllabic interludes by topics like which fly to use and how to really understand what a trout is thinking.
"What I've learned is that you should not ask a Norwegian what he likes about firewood, but how he does it — because that's the way he reveals himself," said Mr. Mytting. "You can tell a lot about a person from his firewood stack."
The book has proved particularly popular as a gift for hard-to-shop-for men.
"People buy it for their dads, their uncles — 'I don't know what to get him, but he has always liked wood,' " said William Jerde, a clerk at the Tanum bookstore in downtown Oslo. Tobias Sederholm, a clerk in a different store, said that one customer came in after Christmas having received copies from seven different family members.
Petter Nissen-Lie, 44, a lawyer in Oslo who every morning before breakfast lights a fire with wood he has chopped himself, said he understood perfectly what all the fuss was about.
The other day, he said, one of his three axes broke at his vacation home in the mountains, and he took it to the store where he had bought it a decade ago. When he tried to pay for repairs, he said, the storekeeper declared that "this sort of thing should not happen to our ax," and insisted on doing it free. "It was very important for this man to carry quality axes," he said.
Where does Mr. Nissen-Lie stand on the important bark-in-the-woodpile question? (Do you have an hour?)
"I like to have the bark facing down," he explained. "That's the way I learned from my grandfather, and I believe it's drier that way. But I respect that there are different ways to do it — and basically the most important thing is how much air you leave around the logs."
Despite the chance of barking up the wrong tree, I'm glad this burning issue gets properly logged by the media. :)
I actually - without a hint of irony - want to watch the 12 hours of TV they've created.
Maybe I'm part Norwegian. I love chopping firewood & I would not buy a house that didn't have a wood-burning fireplace.
Quote from: derspiess on February 22, 2013, 12:06:39 PM
Maybe I'm part Norwegian. I love chopping firewood & I would not buy a house that didn't have a wood-burning fireplace.
I think we have finally found a subject where we are in agreement.
:ph34r:
I had one, I took it out & walled off the Chimney. Put a TV & video games in it's place.
You see, your're not prepared now........tisk...tisk.
You guys are missing the important part of the discussion: bark up or down?
Quote from: Syt on February 22, 2013, 12:25:51 PM
You guys are missing the important part of the discussion: bark up or down?
Bark down if the wood has a roof over it, as the white wood looks more attractive. Bark up if uncovered to keep it drier.
Quote from: Syt on February 22, 2013, 12:25:51 PM
You guys are missing the important part of the discussion: bark up or down?
Irrelevant to me. Either works just fine.
Quote from: Syt on February 22, 2013, 12:25:51 PM
You guys are missing the important part of the discussion: bark up or down?
bark up, so the rain will flow around it instead of penetrating the wood.
You either put planks at the bottom of your stack, or you put the first row bark down.
Quote from: derspiess on February 22, 2013, 12:06:39 PM
Maybe I'm part Norwegian. I love chopping firewood & I would not buy a house that didn't have a wood-burning fireplace.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: 11B4V on February 22, 2013, 12:24:36 PM
You see, your're not prepared now........tisk...tisk.
Unprepared for what? Sleeping in front of the hearth?
What DS said.
Quote from: garbon on February 22, 2013, 01:05:12 PM
Unprepared for what? Sleeping in front of the hearth?
Or if the power goes out for an extended period of time during the winter.
Quote from: fahdiz on February 22, 2013, 01:18:21 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 22, 2013, 01:05:12 PM
Unprepared for what? Sleeping in front of the hearth?
Or if the power goes out for an extended period of time during the winter.
Isn't that one and the same. I don't recall growing up that fireplaces were a great way of heating a house.
Bark up.
Anything else and you'll be silently judged.
Quote from: garbon on February 22, 2013, 01:21:09 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on February 22, 2013, 01:18:21 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 22, 2013, 01:05:12 PM
Unprepared for what? Sleeping in front of the hearth?
Or if the power goes out for an extended period of time during the winter.
Isn't that one and the same. I don't recall growing up that fireplaces were a great way of heating a house.
I do. Once dad had the stove insert put into the fireplace it kept the 1st floor of our house all nice & toasty.
Quote from: garbon on February 22, 2013, 01:21:09 PM
Isn't that one and the same. I don't recall growing up that fireplaces were a great way of heating a house.
It depends on the layout of the house, certainly.
I think in a way building, maintaining a fire/fireplace is a somewhat important skill and worthy of discussion/tv coverage, certainly more 'real' and useful, than talking about what the latest application does on this or that phone OS or about the newest bright shiny smartphone just out.
Quote from: derspiess on February 22, 2013, 01:25:18 PM
I do. Once dad had the stove insert put into the fireplace it kept the 1st floor of our house all nice & toasty.
Thank Ben Franklin.
My brother in law heats his house with one of those automatic pellet burning stoves. It works wonders and controls the heat level automatically. I don't know how it compares to natural gas economically. He can toss normal wood in there if he wants.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on February 22, 2013, 01:53:14 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 22, 2013, 01:25:18 PM
I do. Once dad had the stove insert put into the fireplace it kept the 1st floor of our house all nice & toasty.
Thank Ben Franklin.
My brother in law heats his house with one of those automatic pellet burning stoves. It works wonders and controls the heat level automatically. I don't know how it compares to natural gas economically. He can toss normal wood in there if he wants.
Yeah, they seem good in terms of efficient burn, especially as compared to older methods.
I guess the problem is the initial capital outlay, availability of supply and the price of the pellets if the fires become very popular.
Quote from: mongers on February 22, 2013, 01:48:22 PM
I think in a way building, maintaining a fire/fireplace is a somewhat important skill and worthy of discussion/tv coverage, certainly more 'real' and useful, than talking about what the latest application does on this or that phone OS or about the newest bright shiny smartphone just out.
I'm not sure I agree. Apart from the novelty and aesthetic value - I'd think for most people (who would otherwise be discussing smartphones and apps), this sort of fire serves no real purpose.
Quote from: fahdiz on February 22, 2013, 01:18:21 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 22, 2013, 01:05:12 PM
Unprepared for what? Sleeping in front of the hearth?
Or if the power goes out for an extended period of time during the winter.
That is true. I plan on squatting at my in-laws, a mile away & use theirs.
Quote from: mongers on February 22, 2013, 01:48:22 PM
I think in a way building, maintaining a fire/fireplace is a somewhat important skill and worthy of discussion/tv coverage, certainly more 'real' and useful, than talking about what the latest application does on this or that phone OS or about the newest bright shiny smartphone just out.
Why so judgmental?
I have a bit of a fondness for skills that would help me live independently of the trappings of modern society, so I kinda agree with Mongers. It's probably why I like to cook. Some things are universal.
What I do for a living would be of no utility or value whatsoever after the zombie apocalypse.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on February 22, 2013, 01:53:14 PM
Quote from: derspiess on February 22, 2013, 01:25:18 PM
I do. Once dad had the stove insert put into the fireplace it kept the 1st floor of our house all nice & toasty.
Thank Ben Franklin.
Will do :P
QuoteMy brother in law heats his house with one of those automatic pellet burning stoves. It works wonders and controls the heat level automatically. I don't know how it compares to natural gas economically. He can toss normal wood in there if he wants.
I read a WSJ article about them a couple years ago. At the time it was a lot more economical than gas, oil, or electric heat. If I had a house where one of those were feasible, I'd install one in a heartbeat.
Quote from: fahdiz on February 22, 2013, 02:08:29 PM
Why so judgmental?
Being against things is the easiest replacement for religion.
Quote from: 11B4V on February 22, 2013, 12:24:36 PM
You see, your're not prepared now........tisk...tisk.
I'm prepared by living somewhere it doesn't go below freezing :cool:
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on February 22, 2013, 02:08:43 PM
I have a bit of a fondness for skills that would help me live independently of the trappings of modern society, so I kinda agree with Mongers. It's probably why I like to cook. Some things are universal.
What I do for a living would be of no utility or value whatsoever after the zombie apocalypse.
Can I sell you a bunker?
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on February 22, 2013, 02:08:43 PM
I have a bit of a fondness for skills that would help me live independently of the trappings of modern society, so I kinda agree with Mongers. It's probably why I like to cook. Some things are universal.
Oh, I agree with you. But it doesn't mean technology has no value or is somehow less real, as Mongers is indicating. I mean - all the power could go out tomorrow, but for all we know all the trees could disappear tomorrow too, which would make firewood stacking a pretty useless skill.
My point is that there's value in all sorts of things. What you do for a living might not immediately be useful after an apocalypse, but the critical thinking skills inherent in your job would.
I agree with Mongers. When I take 15 minutes to get a fire going in the aluminum wood stove that serves as the only source of heat in my English classroom -- and all the kids are watching me and judging me since they've been out chopping wood and setting fires with their fathers since they were old enough to stand -- I feel like less of a man.
Quote from: garbon on February 22, 2013, 02:14:59 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on February 22, 2013, 02:08:43 PM
I have a bit of a fondness for skills that would help me live independently of the trappings of modern society, so I kinda agree with Mongers. It's probably why I like to cook. Some things are universal.
What I do for a living would be of no utility or value whatsoever after the zombie apocalypse.
Can I sell you a bunker?
FOOD INSURANCE
Quote from: derspiess on February 22, 2013, 03:07:16 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 22, 2013, 02:14:59 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on February 22, 2013, 02:08:43 PM
I have a bit of a fondness for skills that would help me live independently of the trappings of modern society, so I kinda agree with Mongers. It's probably why I like to cook. Some things are universal.
What I do for a living would be of no utility or value whatsoever after the zombie apocalypse.
Can I sell you a bunker?
FOOD INSURANCE
Food insecurity.
Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on February 22, 2013, 03:03:18 PM
I agree with Mongers. When I take 15 minutes to get a fire going in the aluminum wood stove that serves as the only source of heat in my English classroom -- and all the kids are watching me and judging me since they've been out chopping wood and setting fires with their fathers since they were old enough to stand -- I feel like less of a man.
Which of course, is tangential to my criticism of his comparison of starting a fire to the latest iPhone app. Mainly that the people who are on their iPhones are less likely to be in places where an aluminum wood stove is their only source of heat. ;)
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 22, 2013, 02:13:52 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on February 22, 2013, 12:24:36 PM
You see, your're not prepared now........tisk...tisk.
I'm prepared by living somewhere it doesn't go below freezing :cool:
If you say so.
Quote from: garbon on February 22, 2013, 03:26:45 PM
Quote from: Grinning_Colossus on February 22, 2013, 03:03:18 PM
I agree with Mongers. When I take 15 minutes to get a fire going in the aluminum wood stove that serves as the only source of heat in my English classroom -- and all the kids are watching me and judging me since they've been out chopping wood and setting fires with their fathers since they were old enough to stand -- I feel like less of a man.
Which of course, is tangential to my criticism of his comparison of starting a fire to the latest iPhone app. Mainly that the people who are on their iPhones are less likely to be in places where an aluminum wood stove is their only source of heat. ;)
Well my point was about learning and improving certain basic skills, there's nothing to stop those iphone users from also having the ability to light and maintain an efficient fire.
Somewhat tangentially, throughout most of recorded history and for perhaps thousands of years previously a large proportion of people have know hown to tend fires, yet it's almost within our lifetime that that knowledge is becoming less widespread, in some ways quite a change.
Garbon, did you learn how to make afire as a child ?
Quote from: mongers on February 22, 2013, 03:33:21 PM
Well my point was about learning and improving certain basic skills, there's nothing to stop those iphone users from also having the ability to light and maintain an efficient fire.
Somewhat tangentially, throughout most of recorded history and for perhaps thousands of years previously a large proportion of people have know hown to tend fires, yet it's almost within our lifetime that that knowledge is becoming less widespread, in some ways quite a change.
Garbon, did you learn how to make afire as a child ?
But you're missing out on the
need factor. Besides something like the fun of camping, barbecue, and fireplace - most of those iPhone users don't need to know how to light a fire. As such is unnecessary that's why a large proportion of people don't know how to tend them - as what's the point? People don't practice unnecessary skills unless they find them fun.
Well I was taught how to make a fire in a fireplace and a fire using a charcoal grill. If I was suddenly in the woods and needed a fire - I would be screwed but then the likelihood of me being in the woods (let alone in danger if I didn't have a fire) is pretty low. :D
Quote from: garbon on February 22, 2013, 03:42:32 PM
Quote from: mongers on February 22, 2013, 03:33:21 PM
Well my point was about learning and improving certain basic skills, there's nothing to stop those iphone users from also having the ability to light and maintain an efficient fire.
Somewhat tangentially, throughout most of recorded history and for perhaps thousands of years previously a large proportion of people have know hown to tend fires, yet it's almost within our lifetime that that knowledge is becoming less widespread, in some ways quite a change.
Garbon, did you learn how to make afire as a child ?
But you're missing out on the need factor. Besides something like the fun of camping, barbecue, and fireplace - most of those iPhone users don't need to know how to light a fire. As such is unnecessary that's why a large proportion of people don't know how to tend them - as what's the point? People don't practice unnecessary skills unless they find them fun.
Well I was taught how to make a fire in a fireplace and a fire using a charcoal grill. If I was suddenly in the woods and needed a fire - I would be screwed but then the likelihood of me being in the woods (let alone in danger if I didn't have a fire) is pretty low. :D
Depends who's chasing you. :P
Robots :contract:
Quote from: viper37 on February 22, 2013, 12:50:25 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 22, 2013, 12:25:51 PM
You guys are missing the important part of the discussion: bark up or down?
bark up, so the rain will flow around it instead of penetrating the wood.
You either put planks at the bottom of your stack, or you put the first row bark down.
We put planks under and old roofing on top and pile the wood any old way. :D
If you don't cover your stacks, wood will get wet no matter which way you put the bark.
Mind you, you can cover a stack pretty well with birchbark weighed down with stones. My dad had a big campsite in a remote place near Lake Kippawa in the 1950s and build a few stacks covered in that way. We visited the same site in the 1980s - 30 years later - and found his old stacks; wood was still good. We used it. :D
Quote from: Malthus on February 22, 2013, 07:22:42 PM
Quote from: viper37 on February 22, 2013, 12:50:25 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 22, 2013, 12:25:51 PM
You guys are missing the important part of the discussion: bark up or down?
bark up, so the rain will flow around it instead of penetrating the wood.
You either put planks at the bottom of your stack, or you put the first row bark down.
We put planks under and old roofing on top and pile the wood any old way. :D
If you don't cover your stacks, wood will get wet no matter which way you put the bark.
Mind you, you can cover a stack pretty well with birchbark weighed down with stones. My dad had a big campsite in a remote place near Lake Kippawa in the 1950s and build a few stacks covered in that way. We visited the same site in the 1980s - 30 years later - and found his old stacks; wood was still good. We used it. :D
That's uber-cool, craft knowledge FTW. :cool:
Quote from: Syt on February 22, 2013, 12:25:51 PM
You guys are missing the important part of the discussion: bark up or down?
With Birch wood and properly split and dried logs bark up. Though.. dried bark can be used as kindling..
I turn my thermostat to "70"
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 22, 2013, 07:53:52 PM
I turn my thermostat to "70"
Thanks that's reminded me to go and turn mine down, it keeps comming on this evening, I guess there's a high temperature gradient.
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 22, 2013, 07:53:52 PM
I turn my thermostat to "70"
Fucking city slickers.
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Quote from: Viking on February 22, 2013, 07:26:14 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 22, 2013, 12:25:51 PM
You guys are missing the important part of the discussion: bark up or down?
With Birch wood and properly split and dried logs bark up. Though.. dried bark can be used as kindling..
Doesn't bark get a little smokey? Or maybe it's just with the wood (ash) most prevalent around here.
:mad: go practice.
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Tom Hanks Castway fire starting scene is pricless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybhVvjsEhE&playnext=1&list=PLj6an1gTD02XxObZQgDJNxBOI-vpGolcJ&feature=results_video
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I may have turn it up to "72".
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 22, 2013, 07:53:52 PM
I turn my thermostat to "70"
I put on my wizard hat and robe.
I usually turn it to "75"
Mine's at 59F, I may go turn it down another notch before I go to bed, as I hate being too warm at night. :bowler:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 22, 2013, 09:36:06 PM
I usually turn it to "75"
Jesus Christ on a tap-dancing furnace blower motor; how high are your frigging heat bills? O_O
Quote from: fahdiz on February 22, 2013, 09:44:37 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 22, 2013, 09:36:06 PM
I usually turn it to "75"
Jesus Christ on a tap-dancing furnace blower motor; how high are your frigging heat bills? O_O
More importantly - isn't that an uncomfortable house temp?
Not very high. Atlanta was fairly warm and San Diego's even warmer. :P
@garbon- not at all
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 22, 2013, 09:56:43 PM
Not very high. Atlanta was fairly warm and San Diego's even warmer. :P
@garbon- not at all
I could see having one's house be 75 if one had windows open and there was a nice breeze - but heating it to 75 just sounds dreadful.
My arms hurt when it's cold. :(
Quote from: derspiess on February 22, 2013, 09:14:04 PM
Quote from: Viking on February 22, 2013, 07:26:14 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 22, 2013, 12:25:51 PM
You guys are missing the important part of the discussion: bark up or down?
With Birch wood and properly split and dried logs bark up. Though.. dried bark can be used as kindling..
Doesn't bark get a little smokey? Or maybe it's just with the wood (ash) most prevalent around here.
If your getting alot of smoke then that is probably because you haven't dried the wood properly.
Wood burned stoves seem to be quite a rising trend these days. Really coming heavily into fashion. Even my dad is in the process of getting one.
He though will be using processed wood he liberates from work.
In our garden atm we have a 16th century support beam. Somhow.
Quote from: Tyr on February 23, 2013, 09:53:11 AM
Wood burned stoves seem to be quite a rising trend these days. Really coming heavily into fashion. Even my dad is in the process of getting one.
He's definitely a trendsetter. :yes:
Quote from: garbon on February 23, 2013, 10:44:41 AM
Quote from: Tyr on February 23, 2013, 09:53:11 AM
Wood burned stoves seem to be quite a rising trend these days. Really coming heavily into fashion. Even my dad is in the process of getting one.
He's definitely a trendsetter. :yes:
I meant even he is getting one in the sense that it is trickling down even to folk as lame as he ;)
Quote from: garbon on February 23, 2013, 10:44:41 AM
Quote from: Tyr on February 23, 2013, 09:53:11 AM
Wood burned stoves seem to be quite a rising trend these days. Really coming heavily into fashion. Even my dad is in the process of getting one.
He's definitely a trendsetter. :yes:
:mellow:
How did you get that from what Tyr wrote?
Quote from: mongers on February 22, 2013, 03:33:21 PM
Garbon, did you learn how to make afire as a child ?
I learned how to make fires as a child. Then they made me see a psychiatrist. :(
Quote from: DGuller on February 23, 2013, 12:43:51 PM
Quote from: mongers on February 22, 2013, 03:33:21 PM
Garbon, did you learn how to make afire as a child ?
I learned how to make fires as a child. Then they made me see a psychiatrist. :(
:lol:
Quote from: DGuller on February 23, 2013, 12:43:51 PM
Quote from: mongers on February 22, 2013, 03:33:21 PM
Garbon, did you learn how to make afire as a child ?
I learned how to make fires as a child. Then they made me see a psychiatrist. :(
:D