QuoteST. LOUIS (AP) -- Titus Young's stay with the Rams was brief. The wide receiver has been placed on waivers after only a few days in St. Louis.
Coach Jeff Fisher said Friday the Rams picked up Young before they had much time to do any background checks. He concluded that Young was ''not the best option'' for the Rams.
''We saw Titus as an outstanding young player,'' Fisher said. ''We spent time with him, we spent probably four or five days with him. We decided it was best for us to go in a different direction.''
Young was banished three times by the Lions last year because of his behavior, including once for punching teammate Louis Delmas. He recently lashed out at the team on Twitter, posting ''If y'all going to cut me let me go. I'm tired of the threats.''
Still, the Rams felt Young, a second-round draft pick in 2010 out of Boise State, was worth a look. Young caught 48 receptions with six touchdowns as a rookie, but his production dropped last year to 33 catches and four touchdowns.
Fisher said the decision to waive Young had nothing to do with the player's health.
''We claimed him so we could have his undivided attention,'' Fisher said. ''We went through an extended interview process.''
Yeah, I didn't think that was going to work. Fisher isn't quite Belichick in terms of putting up with shit, but he's close.
Desmond Bryant of the Raiders arrested for mischief on Sunday in Miami. (and no, not Dez Bryant of the Cowboys).
Here's his mugshot.
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DERP
Nice going, Neckbeard McSwollentongue.
Desmond Trufant (CB UDUB) ran 4.38 40 cementing his 1st rd status it seems.
Bummed as good for him, but if had stayed down in mid 2nd better chance of him to Niners.
Best argument I've heard yet on local sports radio from the anti-Flacctites--
"Who says Flacco deserves that money? We won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer too, ya know." :lol:
:lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 27, 2013, 07:06:23 AM
Best argument I've heard yet on local sports radio from the anti-Flacctites--
"Who says Flacco deserves that money? We won a Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer too, ya know." :lol:
It's not that good an argument. Dilfer won the Superbowl by handing off the ball, hitting the occasional long pass, and scoring 17 points a game to allow the greatest defence in NFL history to shut things down. Flacco did it by outscoring the enemy with devastating deep throws.
Still, hopefully Flacco will take a page out of Brady's deal. Not quite to that extent (Joe's wife isn't pulling down eight figures), but taking a discount on your salary to win.
Glazer reporting Alex Smith to the Chiefs.
Quote from: Neil on February 27, 2013, 09:10:03 AM
Still, hopefully Flacco will take a page out of Brady's deal. Not quite to that extent (Joe's wife isn't pulling down eight figures), but taking a discount on your salary to win.
The Patriots, in essence, just gave a 36 year old quarterback a guaranteed contract. That cash is already spent by the next time Bernie Pollard takes another internal organ from him. I don't think the Ravens will go that far.
Quote from: Neil on February 27, 2013, 09:10:03 AM
Still, hopefully Flacco will take a page out of Brady's deal. Not quite to that extent (Joe's wife isn't pulling down eight figures), but taking a discount on your salary to win.
No way. I want my boy Flacco to get PAID :shifty:
QuoteRavens, Joe Flacco agree to terms on new contract
Sides agree to a six-year deal worth $120 million, which would make Flacco the highest paid player in NFL history
By Jeff Zrebiec and Aaron Wilson The Baltimore Sun
8:06 p.m. EST, March 1, 2013
Joe Flacco has long maintained that he is an elite quarterback and now he'll officially get paid like one.
Less than a month since leading his team to a victory in Super Bowl XLVII, Flacco agreed to terms with the Ravens on a new contract. According to a league source, the sides agreed to a six-year deal worth just over $120 million, which would make Flacco the highest paid player in NFL history.
Flacco will be at the Under Armour Performance Center on Monday to finalize the deal.
The agreement solves the Ravens' top offseason priority and solidifies the long-term status of Flacco who finished one of the best postseasons ever for a quarterback by being voted the Most Valuable Player in the Ravens' 34-31 Super Bowl win against the San Francisco 49ers.
Flacco, 28, threw three first-half touchdowns in the game, finishing the playoffs with 11 touchdowns and zero interceptions.
Flacco, whose rookie contract expired following this season, was eligible for free agency, but the Ravens were determined not to let him hit the open market.
If they couldn't reach an extension, something the organization felt like it got close to before the negotiations were tabled before the start of last season, the Ravens would have applied the franchise tag to the quarterback.
They had until March 4 to reach agreement or franchise Flacco. The exclusive tag would have been the only way to make sure that other teams couldn't talk with Flacco and his agent, Joe Linta.
Nice purple headline. If Tim tried that, it would be yellow.
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 01, 2013, 08:44:38 PM
Nice purple headline. If Tim tried that, it would be yellow.
If tim tried that it would an extra [ quote] in it and some advertisement for GNC megaboost 56 embedded.
Good for Joe. Let's see how the contract is set up. $40-50 million signing bonus?
Quote from: Neil on March 01, 2013, 09:50:11 PM
Good for Joe. Let's see how the contract is set up. $40-50 million signing bonus?
Dunno about the signing bonus, but
QuoteFlacco's deal is extremely front-loaded, according to sources with knowledge of the details. It includes a total payout of over $61 million in the first three years that tops New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees' $61 million in the first three years of his $100 million contract.
He'll be the highest player in the league, but not for long. Both Matt Ryan and Aaron Rodgers are up next.
Yeah, the only way they could make a front-loaded contract work with the cap would be a big signing bonus, since the signing bonus is pro-rated over the length of the deal. Brees did the same thing. That means that we're probably going to be looking at a cap number around $30 million for the last year of Joe's deal. But there was never a chance of not paying him. All the people bitching about the money should reflect on the Brian Billick era, and how bad it was to not have a dependable QB. Sure, the Ravens have weapons now, but you can look at the Arizona Cardinals to see how effective a team with weapons is without a quarterback.
Yeah, I think we're going to see a bigger cap increase next year, so that'll create some room for Rodgers and Ryan. Honestly, I think that Flacco and Brees deals are pretty much the largest practical deals that can be done until that cap goes up.
Interesting details on the deal coming out; the signing bonus is $29M, and $30M, $51M and $62M are the amounts after each of the first 3 years respectively with $52M in guaranteed money, but the interesting part is that it is designed so the team only sees a $6.8M salary cap hit in 2013 ballooning to $29M in year 4, so they'll be able to have more cap wiggle room in order to put together some semblance of a title defense run. Much better than a $19M cap hit if they had to franchise him.
Harvin to Seahawks.
Boldin to Niners.
Yup; wouldn't accept a pay cut, and since cutting him by the deadline would've gained nothing, a 6th is better than nothing at all.
Still a rip-off though, and a real loss for the Ravens' offense. Advantage: Niners.
Yeah, losing Boldin is a huge deal. And especially to a team that the Ravens might see if they're looking to repeat. I was down on the chances of the Miners for next year, what with Kaepernick about to be exposed, but Boldin brings instant credibility.
Local sports talk radio is hilarious. Truly a barometer of the stupid.
Because Anquan Boldin stated to NBC Sports a few weeks ago that he'd retire before playing for another team he loved playing in Baltimore so much, he's now worse than a free agent. He is: traitor. :lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2013, 08:00:20 AM
Local sports talk radio is hilarious. Truly a barometer of the stupid.
Because Anquan Boldin stated to NBC Sports a few weeks ago that he'd retire before playing for another team he loved playing in Baltimore so much, he's now worse than a free agent. He is: traitor. :lol:
People need to understand that sports is business.
That said, it's one thing to move on for more money. It's another to do so after vowing you won't.
Quote from: dps on March 12, 2013, 12:30:36 PM
People need to understand that sports is business.
Why? It is not a business to them. It is entertainment, hating traitors is part of what makes it fun. I don't see CdM thinking it was cool the Colts fled in 1983 because it was a good business decision.
Quote
That said, it's one thing to move on for more money. It's another to do so after vowing you won't.
Yep.
Quote from: dps on March 12, 2013, 12:30:36 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2013, 08:00:20 AM
Local sports talk radio is hilarious. Truly a barometer of the stupid.
Because Anquan Boldin stated to NBC Sports a few weeks ago that he'd retire before playing for another team he loved playing in Baltimore so much, he's now worse than a free agent. He is: traitor. :lol:
People need to understand that sports is business.
That said, it's one thing to move on for more money. It's another to do so after vowing you won't.
The reason people hate LeBron isn't because he left Cleveland - it's because he left Cleveland after talking so much about how he enjoyed it there, and how he kept dangling that he might stay.
Quote from: dps on March 12, 2013, 12:30:36 PM
That said, it's one thing to move on for more money. It's another to do so after vowing you won't.
While I don't think anybody should've or did take what he said seriously about retiring, he also stated that while he'd never demand a pay raise, he'd never play for less either; he signed a contract for $6m for next year, he wasn't going to play for any more or any less. And it wasn't even a restructuring, but a salary cut. But it is what it is.
If I were Boldin, I wouldn't take the 1/3 pay cut they were offering. And in the Ravens' defense, as much of a stud as he was in the postseason, he didn't reach 1,000 yards for the season. Sorta tough to justify $6M a year for a 33 year old receiver for that. Time for Tandon Doss to stand up.
Chris Canty is in town today. :hmm:
I dunno. Flacco got huge money having never thrown for 4,000 yards or 30 touchdowns. Boldin had a monster postseason, and while he wasn't worth as much as he would have been if he were 5 years younger, he's worth $6 mil to the right team. In Baltimore it didn't matter that he had lost some speed, because Smith and Jones took the top off the defence. With his power and hands, he's still a legitimate threat. It's like the Niners just got another Vernon Davis out there.
Mind you, if that money goes into signing Ellerbe, Reed and Pitta, and paying for some new draft picks, I can live with it. Dickson would be nice too. He disappeared for most of the year, but made some clutch plays for the Superbowl. I'd also like to see McKinnie come back, just until Baltimore finds their future left tackle.
Apparently they've already planned on using their savings on Boldin to lock up Pitta, Dickson and Arthur Jones today. David Reed just signed a two year deal earlier today, and so did Ihedigbo.
I wonder where James 'Thug Life' Harrison is going to end up. He's 34, but he might have a couple of years left in him. I could see somebody picking him up and overpaying him, like Miami did Joey Porter.
Paul Kruger, Cleveland Brown.
Everybody is leaving that sinking ship.
:lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2013, 04:35:35 PM
Paul Kruger, Cleveland Brown.
Soon to be the latest in a long line of Former Ravens Who Aren't the Same Anywhere Else. Jarrett Johnson, Adelius Thomas, Bart Scott and Ed Hartwell will be happy to see you.
Speaking of guys who weren't as good once they left Baltimore, Dawan Landry got cut by Jacksonville.
Dannell Ellerbe, Miami Dolphin.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2013, 04:52:40 PM
Dannell Ellerbe, Miami Dolphin.
And here i was just joking about Ratbirds leaving sinking ship...:o
But seriously how does that leave the LB corps, i know Ellerbe and Kruger hadn't even started full season between the two of them, but..
Just leaves Jameel McClain and his spinal injury.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2013, 04:52:40 PM
Dannell Ellerbe, Miami Dolphin.
Mike Wallace, Miami Dolphin
And right on the heels of that, Karlos Dansby is no longer.
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on March 12, 2013, 08:53:35 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2013, 04:52:40 PM
Dannell Ellerbe, Miami Dolphin.
Mike Wallace, Miami Dolphin
And right on the heels of that, Karlos Dansby is no longer.
Thank god!
He drops a lot of key passes for the money he wanted.
Bernard Pollard cut.
Was only due a $500k roster bonus and a $2.5m salary number.
I dont understand what they're doing anymore. They're certainly not trying to "stay competitive" like they said they wanted to in 2013. No middle linebackers, now no safeties.
Congrats to the 2013 AFC North champs, the Cincinnati Bengals.
:lol: :punk:
Who dey think gonna win that division?
Bungles will be 5-11, tops.
Bruce Gradkowski to Pittsburgh :(
Looks like Berkut's tuning in to
The Bachelor on Monday nights.
QuoteRay Lewis officially joins ESPN
Ray Lewis retired from playing in the NFL, but the former Ravens linebacker will still be suiting up during the football season. This time, however, Lewis will actually be wearing a suit and not a helmet.
Lewis has officially joined ESPN as an NFL studio analyst, the network announced in a news release. He will appear on "Monday Night Countdown," "Sunday Night Countdown" and "SportsCenter," while also contributing to ESPN's annual Super Bowl coverage.
"Ray is a tremendous addition to our NFL roster and he will have an immediate impact on our coverage," said John Wildhack, ESPN executive vice president, production. "One of the most accomplished players in NFL history, fans will be drawn to his knowledge, experience and, of course, the passion he always exudes for the game."
Lewis will travel to the site of each week's "Monday Night Football" game where he will offer analysis alongside Stuart Scott, Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young and former Ravens teammate Trent Dilfer. He will also contribute to "Sunday NFL Countdown" throughout the season and make a weekly appearance on ESPN Radio's "Mike and Mike in the Morning." There's a chance that Lewis will host specials similar to Jon Gruden's QB Camp series.
"ESPN is such a big part of how fans watch and experience sports, especially the NFL, so I'm excited to join their team," Lewis said. "I'm ready to bring the same level of passion to this next phase of my life as I brought to the field during my years as a player. I can't wait to work with my new teammates, many of whom I've already known for years."
Lewis will join ESPN on Aug. 1. No word on whether pregame pep talks or dances are part of the deal.
Ah man that is great. Love hearing Ray babble. I expect Jesus to be in every second sentence. :cool:
I wonder if he has a mic check dance.
Ray has a great ability to talk football when it's not ecclesiastical, but I prefer the fellas over at NFL Network more. Prime Time and Irving are simply awesome, and they truly enjoy their jobs.
Cutting Pollard? That's fucking mental. Especially since you only save a million on the cap.
I was OK when Boldin got traded, just because I felt the sting of this before when Mason left, and that turned out alright. But this is just crazy. I like Ihedibo, but Pollard is an enforcer out there, something that would probably come in handy given that they'll be playing guys from the concession stands and MLB.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 13, 2013, 12:30:57 PM
Ray has a great ability to talk football when it's not ecclesiastical, but I prefer the fellas over at NFL Network more. Prime Time and Irving are simply awesome, and they truly enjoy their jobs.
Yeah, that's a great crew. Poor Faulk seems to get overwhelmed at times, but I liked it when they had Warner with that crew.
Stuart Scott is the worst.
Quote from: Neil on March 13, 2013, 12:33:46 PM
Cutting Pollard? That's fucking mental. Especially since you only save a million on the cap.
I was OK when Boldin got traded, just because I felt the sting of this before when Mason left, and that turned out alright. But this is just crazy. I like Ihedibo, but Pollard is an enforcer out there, something that would probably come in handy given that they'll be playing guys from the concession stands and MLB.
Yeah, I don't get it at all: team's leading tackler, a turnover machine, only 29 and one of the best run-stopping safeties in the league, with a mild salary cap cost? Ravens Nation is going batshit on the radio. And they're all blaming Joe Flacco. :lol:
But don't worry, the bloodletting's not done. I hear Vontae Leach is on deck.
Quote from: Neil on March 13, 2013, 12:37:59 PM
Yeah, that's a great crew. Poor Faulk seems to get overwhelmed at times, but I liked it when they had Warner with that crew.
Yeah, Kurt Warner really knows his stuff from a quarterback perspective, and Warren Sapp is sharp as well. Honestly, NFL Network really has no weak links from a NFL veteran perspective.
And I suppose if Kurt Warner can keep his God stuff under wraps, so could Ray Ray.
Flacco? His cap hit this year is only $6.8 million. People who call into sports radio are stupid.
Quote from: Neil on March 13, 2013, 12:51:17 PM
People who call into sports radio are stupid.
I take a perverse pleasure in listening it them.
Although the radio hosts here don't play with stupidity; when a guy called saying he was disappointed in Joe Flacco not pitching in a million dollars of his own money to pay for Anquan Boldin's contract, he was promptly smote as the idiot he is. :lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 13, 2013, 12:47:40 PM
Quote from: Neil on March 13, 2013, 12:37:59 PM
Yeah, that's a great crew. Poor Faulk seems to get overwhelmed at times, but I liked it when they had Warner with that crew.
Yeah, Kurt Warner really knows his stuff from a quarterback perspective, and Warren Sapp is sharp as well. Honestly, NFL Network really has no weak links from a NFL veteran perspective.
And I suppose if Kurt Warner can keep his God stuff under wraps, so could Ray Ray.
Jamie Dukes is kind of blah, and Tom Waddle is pretty bad, but they're definitely a solid bunch, especially given that they need somebody there all the time. Darren Sharper is my favorite of their more recent additions.
Ed Reed is supposed to be visiting with the Texans tomorrow. They lost their previous starting S, Glover Quin, to free agency today, along with James Casey, their TE/FB.
Reggie Bush: now a Lion
Dashon Goldson :butt pira....I mean Buc.
Ryan Fitzpatrick: unemployed
Wes Welker, Donkey.
Welker! NOOOO!!! :cry:
Quote from: Neil on March 13, 2013, 06:03:41 PM
Wes Welker, Donkey.
A perfect fit; a receiver that can't run anything other than a 7 yard route, and a quarterback that can't throw anything beyond 7 yards after Halloween.
Fuck, now I have to hear about Welker 24/7 on all the local stations. Jesus, Manning will always be "this close" and hope will always be high...
I am moving to Samoa.
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Heh,
So far Niners are
Added: Boldin
Lost :Smith
TE Walker
NT Sopaga
S Goldson
And some guy named Smith who played Qb.
Preston's musings; can't say I don't disagree, particularly with Pollard, who I know got under the coach's skin with personal fouls and temper tantrums, warranted or not.
QuoteThere was always a belief that the Ravens would never be coach John Harbaugh's team until Ray Lewis left or retired. Well, it's Harbaugh's team now.
With Lewis gone after the Ravens won the Super Bowl, it was the perfect time for Harbaugh to clean house and he appears to have gotten rid of the most outspoken players on the team.
Earlier today, the Ravens cut veteran safety Bernard Pollard. On Monday, they traded receiver Anquan Boldin to the San Francisco 49ers.
The Ravens have yet to re-sign either offensive tackle Bryant McKinnie or safety Ed Reed to a new contract.
Those five guys -- Lewis, Reed, Boldin, Pollard, McKinnie -- were the rabble-rousers, and they didn't hesitate to give their opinion and challenge Harbaugh, even in public. With Pollard, there were times when he was out of control on the sidelines after dealing with officials.
There is one more outspoken player left -- outside linebacker Terrell Suggs, but Suggs doesn't challenge Harbaugh. He comes close, but he never crosses the line. Plus, Suggs makes too much money for Harbaugh and the Ravens to cut at this time. In another year, Suggs' time will be up.
But as of now, it doesn't make much difference. Many thought Lewis had passed the torch to quarterback Joe Flacco and this was Flacco's team.
Sorry, that's not the case.
The Ravens are John Harbaugh's team. It's official.
Glenn Dorsey DT from Chiefs to Niners.
Another offseason and season of Purgatory in store for Oakland. Fucking Al Davis and Hue Jackson. :ultra: 30 Million in dead space for their cap total. That's fucking insane. Add in missing draft picks from Hue's idiocy, and you have another crippled year that prevents a true rebuild.
Ed Reed is spending the day with the Texans. He may not be coming back.
Amendola in New England.
Great, just great.
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 14, 2013, 07:12:33 AM
Amendola in New England.
Great, just great.
I wouldn't worry about it. By week 3 he'll be out for the year with an injury. Sooner if they play whichever team picks up Pollard.
That's true.
I hear rumors that the Bengals are seriously interested in taking Tavon Austin from WVU in the first round if he's available by their pick. He'd be one hell of an offensive & special teams weapon. Plus my nephew is a big enough fan that he might finally get over the Carson Palmer thing and stop wearing his Palmer jersey to Bengals games.
Quote from: derspiess on March 14, 2013, 09:45:03 AM
I hear rumors that the Bengals are seriously interested in taking Tavon Austin from WVU in the first round if he's available by their pick. He'd be one hell of an offensive & special teams weapon. Plus my nephew is a big enough fan that he might finally get over the Carson Palmer thing and stop wearing his Palmer jersey to Bengals games.
Wow. I would have thought that the whole quitting on the team would have cured your nephew of that.
Quote from: Neil on March 14, 2013, 10:01:57 AM
Quote from: derspiess on March 14, 2013, 09:45:03 AM
I hear rumors that the Bengals are seriously interested in taking Tavon Austin from WVU in the first round if he's available by their pick. He'd be one hell of an offensive & special teams weapon. Plus my nephew is a big enough fan that he might finally get over the Carson Palmer thing and stop wearing his Palmer jersey to Bengals games.
Wow. I would have thought that the whole quitting on the team would have cured your nephew of that.
He's 6 & doesn't quite understand what happened. I get a kick out of it, as it irritates my brother to no end.
Quote from: derspiess on March 14, 2013, 10:05:13 AM
Quote from: Neil on March 14, 2013, 10:01:57 AM
Quote from: derspiess on March 14, 2013, 09:45:03 AM
I hear rumors that the Bengals are seriously interested in taking Tavon Austin from WVU in the first round if he's available by their pick. He'd be one hell of an offensive & special teams weapon. Plus my nephew is a big enough fan that he might finally get over the Carson Palmer thing and stop wearing his Palmer jersey to Bengals games.
Wow. I would have thought that the whole quitting on the team would have cured your nephew of that.
He's 6 & doesn't quite understand what happened. I get a kick out of it, as it irritates my brother to no end.
They still have a second-rounder for this year from that trade, don't they? The first last year turned into a cornerback who gets hurt, but they also had one this year, didn't they?
Quote from: Neil on March 14, 2013, 10:12:49 AM
They still have a second-rounder for this year from that trade, don't they? The first last year turned into a cornerback who gets hurt, but they also had one this year, didn't they?
Yeah, and it's a pretty nice spot. I think it's the 5th pick in the 2nd round.
And I totally called Dre Kilpatrick getting hurt. It's just how things go when they draft early for a need.
Yeah, there's some real quality to be found that early in the second round.
Quote from: Neil on March 14, 2013, 07:35:59 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on March 14, 2013, 07:12:33 AM
Amendola in New England.
Great, just great.
I wouldn't worry about it. By week 3 he'll be out for the year with an injury. Sooner if they play whichever team picks up Pollard.
I'd hope Niners take a look but they seem to be eyeing Woodson.
Quote from: Neil on March 14, 2013, 10:12:49 AM
They still have a second-rounder for this year from that trade, don't they? The first last year turned into a cornerback who gets hurt, but they also had one this year, didn't they?
:bleeding: Such a horrible trade. I don't understand how anyone could think it was a good idea.
Ricky Jean-Francois to Colts
Nnamdi Asomugha visiting Niners today.
Cary Williams to the Eagles. The guy was much-maligned, but mostly by stupid people.
So Ed Reed left Houston without a deal. That's not going to go over well in Texanland.
Niners are talking a Asomugha & Woodson, not an or.
Lol, pats lose Woodhead.
Elvis Dumervil is a free agent now: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/denver-broncos-elvis-dumervil-takes-considerable-pay-cut-201656213--nfl.html
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 15, 2013, 07:24:15 PM
So Ed Reed left Houston without a deal. That's not going to go over well in Texanland.
What I've seen so far is saying he had some shit going on this weekend and is still talking with the Texans, doesn't have any plans
for now to visit any other teams,
and wants $6-7 million/year while the Texans are offering about 5ish. I like Ed Reed and think he'd be a good guy to have in Houston while they get his replacement (draft pick) ready and all that, but that's a bit much.
Justin Forsett and Alan Ball left Houston for Jacksonville today. Too bad about Forsett, not such a big deal with Alan Ball.
E: Greg Jennings to the Vikes. 5 years, $47.5m, $18m guaranteed. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000151204/article/greg-jennings-signs-contract-with-minnesota-vikings
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 15, 2013, 08:54:27 PM
What I've seen so far is saying he had some shit going on this weekend and is still talking with the Texans, doesn't have any plans for now to visit any other teams, and wants $6-7 million/year while the Texans are offering about 5ish. I like Ed Reed and think he'd be a good guy to have in Houston while they get his replacement (draft pick) ready and all that, but that's a bit much.
They need the ballhawking. They're so close to the edge of being a Super Bowl team, it's worth it.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 15, 2013, 09:23:54 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 15, 2013, 08:54:27 PM
What I've seen so far is saying he had some shit going on this weekend and is still talking with the Texans, doesn't have any plans for now to visit any other teams, and wants $6-7 million/year while the Texans are offering about 5ish. I like Ed Reed and think he'd be a good guy to have in Houston while they get his replacement (draft pick) ready and all that, but that's a bit much.
They need the ballhawking. They're so close to the edge of being a Super Bowl team, it's worth it.
Yeah, I figure it comes down to where Houston thinks they are. If they think that they have a legitimate chance and the Superbowl this year, then Reed is probably worth the stretch. If they're thinking a couple of years, then a guy who will probably only play one more year, or maybe two, might not be such a great deal.
Reed isn't the player he used to be, but he'd upgrade the Texans secondary. I'd rather see Reed retire a Raven though.
He's about the same as Quin (who is now gone), stats wise, but is a shitload more experienced. I think he would fit nicely back there with Manning behind Joseph and Jackson, and would give whatever new guy FS they bring in a chance to adjust, learn from the best, etc, so they don't have to throw him to the wolves immediately like they did with Jackson (who only really recovered from that, + shitty coaching before Wade, last year).
Craig Dahl signed from Rams to replace Goldson :mellow:
I'm sure someplace, somewhere, there's a clause in the contract boilerplate that mentions avoiding this sort of activity.
QuoteMIAMI (Reuters) - National Football League wide receiver Donte' Stallworth suffered serious burns when a hot air balloon carrying him and his girlfriend hit power lines near Miami on Saturday, but is expected to recover fully, his agent said.
"He has suffered some burns to his body. However he is expected to make a full recovery in the near future," agent Drew Rosenhaus told Reuters.
"We expect him to be able to resume his football activities in a few weeks, most likely," he said.
Stallworth and the unidentified woman were taken to a hospital in the Kendall area south of Miami, where both were being treated for burns. The woman also was expected to recover, Rosenhaus said.
The balloon operator was not hurt, the newspaper said.
Stallworth, who was signed by the New England Patriots as a free agent in December, has a home in South Florida.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 15, 2013, 08:54:27 PM
Elvis Dumervil is a free agent now:
Apparently he's meeting with the Ravens in the next day or so.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 16, 2013, 10:27:16 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 15, 2013, 08:54:27 PM
Elvis Dumervil is a free agent now:
Apparently he's meeting with the Ravens in the next day or so.
Better option than Harrison, that's for sure. Might break the bank though. They still need to pay Ed Reed or another safety, and they need a middle linebacker. On offence, they're going to need to find a tackle somewhere, and I don't believe in David Reed to replace Boldin.
I read they were sniffing around Kevin Walter. Might be a decent underneath replacement.
Anyway, Ozzie's not going to go out and sign big names off the bat; that's not his style. The Clevelands and the Jets and the Miamis always overpay immediately, and that's what notoriously bad franchises always do at the beginning of free agency, but the Ravens will never overpay for a price point that they have in mind for a player (including Ed Reed) and they will wait for time to pass, the market settle, and that's where the bargains will be found. That's why the Ravens are one of the best in the business at what they do.
And I've noticed nobody's ringing McKinnie's phone off the hook.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 16, 2013, 10:54:05 PM
I read they were sniffing around Kevin Walter. Might be a decent underneath replacement.
Anyway, Ozzie's not going to go out and sign big names off the bat; that's not his style. The Clevelands and the Jets and the Miamis always overpay immediately, and that's what notoriously bad franchises always do at the beginning of free agency, but the Ravens will never overpay for a price point that they have in mind for a player (including Ed Reed) and they will wait for time to pass, the market settle, and that's where the bargains will be found. That's why the Ravens are one of the best in the business at what they do.
And I've noticed nobody's ringing McKinnie's phone off the hook.
Yeah, Walter's not bad. And Texans wideouts seem to improve once they get to Baltimore.
You wonder. Ozzie is getting value guys right now, like Canty and Spears. If they get a bookend to go with Suggs, we could see a real step up in line play next year, especially if Suggs and Ngata manage not to injure themselves. I just think that Reed is going to get some decent offers, and so it won't be quite like Ray Lewis' flirting with free agency a few years back.
McKinnie's history is hurting him there. Nobody wants to give him a big signing bonus and have him show up for camp weighing 400 pounds. Still, he's shown that he can be a differencemaker. Some GM is going to be a hero or an idiot for that one.
Jake Long to the Rams. 4 years/ $36 million.
Dolphins made the smart move on that one, because Long is not worth anywhere near $9 million/year anymore. The Rams overpaid big time.
Quote from: Neil on March 16, 2013, 11:38:14 PM
You wonder. Ozzie is getting value guys right now, like Canty and Spears. If they get a bookend to go with Suggs, we could see a real step up in line play next year, especially if Suggs and Ngata manage not to injure themselves. I just think that Reed is going to get some decent offers, and so it won't be quite like Ray Lewis' flirting with free agency a few years back.
Canty and Spears are value run stoppers, sharp veterans and they'll help with platooning on the line. That was one of the Ravens' major off-season priorities, to shore up the defensive line against the run.
The way the Ravens have stockpiled draft picks for next month, and how deep not only this years' draft is deep in defense, as well as next year's, I think they'll find a lot of nice, young talent. And even if they wind up signing Dumervil for end they'll still have that Alabama beast Upshaw on the other end as a DE/LB hybrid, and I can still see them drafting an ILB, whether it's Minter or Te'o, they'll find a system-friendly 'backer.
QuoteMcKinnie's history is hurting him there. Nobody wants to give him a big signing bonus and have him show up for camp weighing 400 pounds. Still, he's shown that he can be a differencemaker. Some GM is going to be a hero or an idiot for that one.
That's because the entire league knows he's a high maintenance head case, going all the way back to the Vikings. And unfortunately, Ray Lewis isn't there anymore to put his foot up his fat ass. With the FA market relatively heavy in tackles, I predict he'll remain in Baltimore.
QuoteThe Ravens are interested in former Oakland Raiders safety Michael Huff, according to a league source with knowledge of the situation.
The Green Bay Packers, Dallas Cowboys and Tennessee Titans are among the other teams that have Huff firmly on their radar, per the source.
Luz, and compensatory picks were awarded yesterday as well; Ozzie has 12 to play with this year.
QuoteFree-agent safety Ed Reed is on the verge of joining the Houston Texans, according to multiple reports.
Reed, who has spent his entire career with the Baltimore Ravens, visited the Texans last week but left last Friday without a deal.
According to reports, the Texans offered Reed a 3-year deal in the salary range of $4 million per year, though Reed has been seeking a salary similar to the $7.2 million he earned last season.
The Ravens, who have seen significant turnover since winning the franchise's second Super Bowl, appeared interested in retaining the nine-time Pro Bowler.
"On the hopeful scale I'd say it's of high hope," Ravens coach John Harbaugh said at the NFL owners meetings Tuesday. "It's high on the measuring stick. We'll just have to see how it works out."
Reed, 34, is the Ravens' franchise leader in interceptions with 61, and his 1,541 return yards with those pickoffs is an NFL career record. He was the NFL's top defensive player in 2004.
With Reed possibly on the move, Baltimore has also scheduled a visit with Raiders free-agent safety Michael Huff, a league sourced told Schefter.
So it looks like the owners voted 31-1 to pussify the game a bit more. Just one brave owner voted no.
Yeah, this looks like a 'fuck the game, we're concerned about PR and legal liability' move.
So, Ed Reed is pretty much gone. Will they get Huff, or will the era of Omar Brown begin?
Reed to the Texans.
Quote from: Neil on March 20, 2013, 07:13:33 PM
So, Ed Reed is pretty much gone. Will they get Huff, or will the era of Omar Brown begin?
Huff is visiting this week. If he doesn't sign, it could very well be the era of Reid from LSU, who could be on the board when the Ravens draft. Who the hell knows.
It'll be interesting to see how Reed functions on the Texans. He's not the same guy he used to be (he missed a LOT of tackles last year), but he can be relied upon for a handful of turnovers and a number of breakups. It'll be interesting to see. And the Texans should be better this year anyways, now that blowing up Cushing's knee is illegal.
He may not be what he used to be, but he still shuts down half the field, still has a sense for the ball and quarterback's tendencies, and can coach the lights out of the secondary. As decent as Quin was, he's an upgrade in pass defense for a Super Bowl run.
Now that the Bears are moving on, Urlacher to Ravens perhaps?
Quote from: daveracher on March 21, 2013, 09:27:55 AM
Now that the Bears are moving on, Urlacher to Ravens perhaps?
No that would be terrible pickup for the Ravens unless Urlacher wants to play for the league minimum. The only teams who will sign a guy like him will be teams who just need that one piece to make a run or teams run by Dan Snyder.
I still haven't seen officially what exactly they're going to be paying Reed, but the standard NFL blogger types seem to be leaning toward 3years, $16 million max, with $7 guaranteed. That's pretty excellent if it's true.
Quote from: daveracher on March 21, 2013, 09:27:55 AM
Now that the Bears are moving on, Urlacher to Ravens perhaps?
No way, the Ravens are settled on a youth movement at LB. I don't see Urlacher coming in.
They're focused solely on signing Dumervil right now, with Huff a potential 2nd signing.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 21, 2013, 12:09:18 PM
I still haven't seen officially what exactly they're going to be paying Reed, but the standard NFL blogger types seem to be leaning toward 3years, $16 million max, with $7 guaranteed. That's pretty excellent if it's true.
NFL.com is reporting 3 years, 15mil max, and 5 guaranteed. Thats fantastic.
Yeah, that's a decent deal; I believe the Ravens didn't want to go beyond 2 years and $4M with change, if that.
Either way, I'm sure Ed's quite disappointed with his free agency experience.
You know what's truly scary? The 49ers with 14 draft picks. Already young as hell with a Super Bowl trip under their belt. Yikes.
Yeah, I'm sure he thought somebody would give him the seven million he was getting last season. Houston got a guy who will make a difference for a fair price and who can help reinforce a real winning culture, and Reed got about as much as a guy with maybe two seasons in the tank could ask for.
Shit I forgot compensatory picks were announced. I wonder what Houston got.
E: oh nice. They got the 3rd I had seen message board types talking about being a possibility, along with a 7th.
Chris Gamble retired.
And Carolina signed Ted Ginn jr. Enjoy the drops panthers fans.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 22, 2013, 11:32:50 AM
Shit I forgot compensatory picks were announced. I wonder what Houston got.
E: oh nice. They got the 3rd I had seen message board types talking about being a possibility, along with a 7th.
Yeah, the Ravens got picks in the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th rounds. They're going to set records next year though, what with this year's bloodbath.
Quote from: Neil on March 22, 2013, 11:38:47 AM
Yeah, the Ravens got picks in the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th rounds. They're going to set records next year though, what with this year's bloodbath.
Ozzie's gonna need all 12 picks, too. Wait till you see Suggs' and Ngata's salary cap damage next season.
The last CBA totally fucked the players and the cap. The needle's not moving at all.
Bronco/Agent snafu leads to Ravens gain: Dumervil signs with the Baltimore.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/baltimore-ravens-agree-terms-elvis-dumervil-205838180--nfl.html
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on March 24, 2013, 05:09:04 PM
Bronco/Agent snafu leads to Ravens gain: Dumervil signs with the Baltimore.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/baltimore-ravens-agree-terms-elvis-dumervil-205838180--nfl.html
Nice pickup. I didn't know Kruger went to the Browns.
Man, that's going to be a ferocious front five for the Ravens. The question now is who is going to be playing the MLB spots?
Quote from: Neil on March 24, 2013, 06:13:05 PM
The question now is who is going to be playing the MLB spots?
There was chatter from the talking heads about the possibility of moving Upshaw inside, but I don't think that's wise. I don't think he's got the skill set, but who knows; they've modified players before, e.g., Boulware.
Dumervil and Suggs, coming from the outsides? You can't double team them both. Woof.
Fun fact: The Ravens scored a better deal for Dumervil and his 63.5 sacks at 5yrs/$35m than the Browns did for Kruger, 1/2 season as a starter, at 5yrs/$40m.
That's why the Ravens are who they are, and the Browns are the Browns.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 24, 2013, 07:18:04 PM
Fun fact: The Ravens scored a better deal for Dumervil and his 63.5 sacks at 5yrs/$35m than the Browns did for Kruger, 1/2 season as a starter, at 5yrs/$40m.
That's why the Ravens are who they are, and the Browns are the Browns.
Lol. Poor Browns.
Fun Fact: The last time the Ravens won the Super Bowl they signed a free agent named Elvis. Maybe Dumerville will work out better than Grbac.
Fun fact: the last time the Ravens won a Super Bowl, they plowed through New England, assbanging Brady in the 2nd half like the little prison whore he is.
Fun fact: The internet tears of those who were trying to write the Ravens off are delicious. Steelers and Broncos fans are furious.
Wow. Elvis Grbac. I think when I started following them, it was the Chris Redman show. And then Boller and Anthony Wright started alternating for a few years. You can almost understand the Boller thing. I mean, the guy could throw a football through a brick wall. He's like Joe Flacco if he was a spastic who couldn't take three steps without tripping over his own dick.
Does this mean Derspicy is gonna start rooting for Niners?
QuotePat White is looking for a shot to get back into the NFL and he might have found one.
The San Francisco 49ers will bring White in for a visit after he had a private workout earlier this month and then performed again last week at the West Virginia pro day. A second-round draft pick of the Miami Dolphins in 2009, White got a call from Niners head coach Jim Harbaugh, according to Jim Corbett of USA Today.
"Coach and I had a conversation about me coming in to work out,'' White told Corbett. "We haven't set up a formal date. I'm just going to make sure I keep working hard for when that day comes.
"I pay attention to how his players react to Coach Harbaugh. They all want to win for him. And he seems to treat them how they want to be treated. I'm excited to get to know him on that level -- if I do get that opportunity. I'm very optimistic about making it back to the NFL.''
White's career didn't pan out with the Dolphins and he has dabbled with baseball. But he's spent time recently training with quarterback guru George Whitfield Jr. in California, and Harbaugh is intrigued to take a look at White and consider him as a possible backup for Colin Kaepernick now that Alex Smith has moved on.
QuoteThe Pittsburgh Steelers told linebacker James Harrison that the team has no plans to re-sign him, a source told The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
Harrison, 34, was cut by the Steelers on March 9 after he refused to take a pay cut. The five-time Pro Bowl player was scheduled to make $6.57 million in 2013.
Harrison has received very little interest in free agency, and he was taking a free-agent visit in Baltimore on Sunday when the Ravens agreed to terms with Elvis Dumervil.
Yeah, before Dumervil came free, I thought that he might end up as a Raven if he was willing to play for cheap, but I really don't see anybody giving a 34-year old rush linebacker with major discipline issues $5 million-plus a year.
Yeah, the Ravens have already let go of enough penalty flag magnets. Don't need to add one.
So you are saying he's gonna end up with Da Raiders?
Or the Redskins. With Lorenzo Alexander gone and London Fletcher iffy, Harrison is just the kind of player Dan Snyder would overpay for to fill the gap. :P
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on March 26, 2013, 07:44:40 PM
Or the Redskins. With Lorenzo Alexander gone and London Fletcher iffy, Harrison is just the kind of player Dan Snyder would overpay for to fill the gap. :P
:lol:
Yeah, I think that Mike Shanahan would rip his balls off like a paper towel. Snyder, not Harrison. These days, the Redskins won't be the same joke they have been for years. We'll be laughing at them for different reasons, like their orange coach and the fact that they play in the worst division in football.
Congrats on the Ravens getting one of the heroes of the 2006 Rose Bowl:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000154242/article/michael-huff-joins-baltimore-ravens-on-3year-contract
Sweet. Needed that signing.
Sometimes you just can't go home, Mike
QuoteSome believe Huff, a former star at the University of Texas, wanted to go to the Cowboys but he left his visit to Dallas on Monday without a contract because the Cowboys only had about $100,000 in salary-cap space.
Miami Dolphins confirm logo change
QuoteThis time, it's for real.
Miami Dolphins chief executive officer Mike Dee said Wednesday that a team logo that appeared on NFL.com earlier in the day is, in fact, the official one, according to the South Florida Sun Sentinel.
"It was leaked by somebody at Nike," Dee told reporters. "We had always had a plan to kind of roll it out over a 30-day period, so we're going to start rolling it out. But the logo is only one part of the announcement. It's a complete re-branding of the team."
Dolphins defensive tackle Jared Odrick, apparently, is getting used to it:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGYgDO5CYAEI0BF.jpg)
Versions of the logo bubbled up online in recent weeks, but the real deal appeared as part of NFL.com's "Predict the Pick" series. That was unintentional, but -- because it's the Internet -- the image was screen-grabbed and sent on its viral way.
With the cat out of the bag, Dee talked about how creative types dreamt up Miami's re-branding.
"There's a lot of history in this in that we went back to colors, the true aqua and the true orange that were part of the first 29 years of the franchise's history," Dee said. "But the logo design itself and some other things you'll see respect that tradition in the past but also have an eye on the 21st century Dolphins."
To celebrate the launch, the franchise is giving one lucky Dolphins fan the chance to win the first official T-shirt featuring the new logo.
So the league wants to promote safety and it allows Miami to remove the dolphin mascot's helmet?? :rolleyes:
No shit, right?
Quote from: derspiess on March 27, 2013, 04:44:12 PM
So the league wants to promote safety and it allows Miami to remove the dolphin mascot's helmet?? :rolleyes:
:lol: I was just thinking that.
So, the Huff signing should really calm down the water in Baltimore. Except perhaps the Flacco-haters, who won't rest until a proud Nubian quarterback is losing games.
Tony Romo, six years, $108 million, $55 million guaranteed?
Man, that's just silly. A guy who's a proven loser?
What a waste of money.
Couldn't happen to a better franchise.
On the week that Languish features an anal thread, Romo sodomized the Cowboys. I mean, this is probably the best year possible to negotiate. There are no good free agent QBs, there's no real starter-in-waiting in the draft. If Romo becomes a free agent next year, who are you going to replace him with? Vince Young? Carson Palmer? Jamarcus Russell?
I actually like Tony Romo; when he's on, he's on, and I like his 3/4s throwing motion, reminds me of Bernie sometimes.
He doesn't always get help from some of those prima donnas down there, but damn, can he make some brain farts at the worst time.
But yeah, his contract reflects the lack of alternatives for the Cowboys.
Colt McCoy a Niner
Well, it's good to know that they'll be covered a little bit if Kaepernick doesn't work out.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 01, 2013, 05:25:05 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 01, 2013, 05:24:07 PM
Colt McCoy a Niner
I'm so sorry.
They made the NFC Championship game with Alex Smith. I'm pretty sure that McCoy is comparable.
I really doubt it, he rides the short-bus everywhere he goes.
Carson Palmer is a Cardinal. Sort of.
Asomugha or whatever his name is, Niner for a year.
Quote from: katmai on April 01, 2013, 05:24:07 PM
Colt McCoy a Niner
Congrats! I see the Niners are serious about winning the Super Bowl next year.
QuoteThe Rolando McClain era with the Oakland Raiders has come to an end as ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the club will place the 2010 first-round pick on waivers. Running back Darren McFadden is now the only Oakland first-round pick since 2000 still on the team's roster. That year, Oakland selected kicker Sebastian Janikowski with the 17th overall pick.
Could this movie be more tailored from CountdeMoney?
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/joe-flacco-playing-johnny-unitas-movie-1958-season-baltimore-ravens-qb-super-bowl-mvp-120-million-dollar-contract-040613
Ah. Flacco will play him in the football scenes. That makes sense. I've seen him try and act, and it's not great.
"Pittsburgh!?!
Personally, I think Peyton Manning has more of the Unitas physique, what with the stooped shoulders and lanky arms.
Veddy interestink: Rolando McClain is a Raven now.
Benedict Arnold weeps once more into his Raiders blankie.
Good signing.
Also, it seems like the Chargers are poking around Bryant McKinnie. You'd think those retards would have learned after Jared Gaither turned out to be the worst signing since David Boston.
I give every Raider with an "inconsistent" history an initial free pass since it's the nature of the organization to make players stupid. Unless it's overweight quarterbacks with no talent to begin with.
That being said, I think a new home and surrounded by well-grounded former teammates in Courtney Upshaw and Mount Cody can give him a new start. Even after 3 years in the league, I had no idea how young he actually is. At 23, it's practically a bonus draft pick with NFL experience.
He was signed for a song, and if gets his head straight and pans out as even an average ILB, it's a steal. 6'4" and 259 lbs? Just helping in shoring up the run defense with the rest of the new additions, it's a win.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 10, 2013, 07:42:03 PM
I give every Raider with an "inconsistent" history an initial free pass since it's the nature of the organization to make players stupid. Unless it's overweight quarterbacks with no talent to begin with.
That being said, I think a new home and surrounded by well-grounded former teammates in Courtney Upshaw and Mount Cody can give him a new start. Even after 3 years in the league, I had no idea how young he actually is. At 23, it's practically a bonus draft pick with NFL experience.
He was signed for a song, and if gets his head straight and pans out as even an average ILB, it's a steal. 6'4" and 259 lbs? Just helping in shoring up the run defense with the rest of the new additions, it's a win.
Wow. I didn't realize he was that young either.
But yeah, $700k for a guy who can play? That's couch cushion money.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 10, 2013, 07:03:31 PM
Veddy interestink: Rolando McClain is a Raven now.
Benedict Arnold weeps once more into his Raiders blankie.
Meh. Good luck. He still has a lot of potential, but he's a fucking idiot off the field. That in turn leads him into being distracted on the field it seems. Throw in the constant chance of suspension or self destruction, and he isn't a guy to build a future around like the Raiders had hoped. For the price the Ravens paid though, he's a valid investment.
Yeah, he's been a bit of a noodlehead but he's young, and the Raiders have never been known for providing a positive player environment with structure and support.
Bengals t-shirt slogan for 2013 is: "GET BETTER TOGETHER"
Dunno about the players, but I'm awfully inspired.
Beats the slogan from the last few years: "GET PROBATION BEFORE JUDGEMENT"
:lol:
I guess the Ravens t-shirts this year will say "Hi, my name is ___________" :)
Well nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.
:lol:
Repeat.
It probably needs a "No, I was not on the team last year" on the back.
Season schedule is out.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/schedule
Baltimore at Denver is the Thursday debut.
At least they're not forced to play 3 games in 17 days. That was a nice try though, Commish. BUT U COULDNT STOP THE TEAM OF DENSITY
Looks like the owner of the Browns is going to get into some trouble. Also looks like the Ravens are going to be doing some winning next year.
LOL Baltimore Orioles 1, New York Jets O.
QuoteNew York Jets head coach Rex Ryan is never shy about voicing his opinion so perhaps it should come as no surprise that the Ravens former defensive coordinator weighed in on a matter that has nothing to do with him or his current team.
In a conference call with reporters following the release of NFL's regular-season schedule, Ryan took issue with the fact that the Ravens, the reigning Super Bowl champions, are opening the season on the road after they couldn't work out a scheduling conflict with the Orioles for the night of Sept. 5.
"I understand the Orioles are playing a game at home. Well, who really cares?" Ryan said according to multiple reports including USA Today. "You've got 81 of them things at home and maybe you could've done the right thing and given one up and played 82 on the road and 80 at home. I really don't think people are going to care about that game. You have a chance to have the defending world champs open the season at home where they rightfully should. I think that's unfortunate."
When they start their defense of Super Bowl XLVII on Sept. 5 against the Denver Broncos at Sports Authority Field at Mile High, the Ravens will become the first Super Bowl champs since 2003 to open the following season on the road.
Ryan, who once caught John Harbaugh's first pitch at an Orioles' game after Harbaugh was hired as Ravens head coach in 2008, acknowledged that he still has a fondness for Baltimore, but that wasn't the reason that he was speaking out.
"It's my love of this game, of the National Football League," Ryan said, according to USA Today. "The defending champion, in my opinion, should always open at home. They've earned that right. To think that something couldn't have been worked out, that's disappointing.
"If baseball had a 16-game schedule, you might understand it. But when they have 162 games, I think you might just, out of common courtesy, say, 'You know what, maybe I'll play this one on the road or whatever.'"
To review, the NFL had earmarked the night of Thursday, Sept. 5 to play their annual kickoff game. However, the Ravens are scheduled to start a home stand that night against the Chicago White Sox after playing the previous evening in Cleveland. Because of the proximity of Camden Yards and M&T Bank Stadium, the downtown area wouldn't be able to host a baseball and football games at the same time.
Both teams discussed a baseball/football doubleheader but the idea was eventually scrapped due to logistical issues. The NFL also declined to move the game up to Sept. 4, citing the first night of Rosh Hashanah, leaving the Ravens with no other options but to consent to a road opener.
To significantly move the game-time or date for the series opener against Chicago, the Orioles would have needed the approval of the White Sox, Major League Baseball and the players association.
However, that didn't stop Ryan from pointing his finger at the Orioles, and he wasn't the only one to do so tonight.
Appearing as a guest on the NFL Network's scheduling release special, former NBC Sports chairman Dick Ebersol called the Orioles' effort to accommodate the Ravens "a weak local performance," according to Pro Football Talk.
QuoteBALTIMORE -- Orioles manager Buck Showalter has some advice for New York Jets coach Rex Ryan: Mind your own business and worry about your own team.
Ryan suggested the Orioles should have played on the road on Sept. 5 so that the defending Super Bowl champion Baltimore Ravens could open at home instead of playing at Denver.
Showalter on Friday said of Ryan: "I'd be a little more concerned about Nov. 24 when the Jets come here and try to figure out a way to beat the Ravens."
Showalter added, "I try to stay out of things I don't know about. I would stay in what is my area of supposed expertise."
Only thing Rex Ryan knows is feet.
I have an idea.
Play the fucking game on Sunday or Monday night; you know, when big NFL games are supposed to happen you ginger motherfucker.
As much as I love the game I am getting close to actively rooting for the NFL s a league to implode. You make a billion dollars a year, do you really need to force feed us Thursday night games as well?
LOL, James Harrison is a Bengal.
QuoteThe NFL also declined to move the game up to Sept. 4, citing the first night of Rosh Hashanah
What kind of reason is that? 2011 we had a game on Christmas Day, last year on Christmas Eve.
Pats schedule doesn't look too difficult, should make the playoffs.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 19, 2013, 08:48:43 PM
Only thing Rex Ryan knows is feet.
He may be as bad a person as his daddy, and he's nowhere near as good a coach.
Wow, Revis is a Tampa Bay Buc now.
You know i should be rooting for Bucs this season since with Goldson signing they will have 4 UDubers in their starting D.
Good for the Bucs. Makes sense that Revis would want to play in a place where he can compete, and it's hard to compete when your offence is so bad that it makes the Kyle Boller-era Ravens look good.
Thing is, Revis didn't want to be there. He wanted to be a New York Jet for life.
That organization is so fucked up. Fire the GM, keep the coach. Overpay Santonio Holmes, don't even bother negotiating with Revis. What could happen?
Revis is coming off a torn ACL and demanded (and got) $16 million a year in a sport with a hard cap.
I would have been thrilled to get the #13 pick and a 3-4 rounder next year for him. In 3 years we all say the Jets win this trade.
EDIT: The Jets are idiots, all of them. I just like this move.
Hate to say I told you so, but...
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/rolando-mcclain-arrested-again-043620268--nfl.html
:lol: Does this one even count? I don't think he's met any teammates yet.
QuoteList of top undrafted players in NFL
By The Associated Press | The Associated Press – 24 minutes ago
Some of the best players in NFL history went undrafted. Here's a list of the most accomplished undrafted players in franchise history for each of the 32 teams:
-Arizona Cardinals: QB Jim Hart, Southern Illinois. Played 18 seasons with the Cardinals in St. Louis before finishing his career with a season in Washington. Was selected to the Pro Bowl 4 times.
-Atlanta Falcons: LB Jessie Tuggle, Valdosta State. A 5-time Pro Bowler, Tuggle was a mainstay with the Falcons for 14 seasons. He averaged 184 tackles from 1988-93.
-Baltimore Ravens, RB Priest Holmes, Texas. Spent his first 4 seasons in Baltimore and 6 more in Kansas City. The 5-time Pro Bowler and 5-time All-Pro ran for 1,555 yards in '01 and had 48 TD runs from '02-04.
-Buffalo Bills: RB Fred Jackson, Coe College. Signed to the Bills practice squad in 2006 out of the United Indoor Football League and made his NFL debut in '07. Between '09-11, he tallied nearly 4,000 yards from scrimmage.
-Carolina Panthers: FB Brad Hoover, West Carolina. Played a decade for the Panthers, mostly as their starting fullback, leading the way for the likes of DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart, Stephen Davis and DeShaun Foster.
-Chicago Bears: C-G Jay Hilgenberg, Iowa. Made 7 straight trips to the Pro Bowl from 1985-91 and was selected a 2-time All-Pro during a 12-year career. Starting in 1983, he was a member of a line that produced seven top-3 rushing offenses in eight seasons and won a ring in the '85 Super Bowl.
-Cincinnati Bengals: DL Coy Bacon, Jackson State. Three-time Pro Bowler who also played for the Rams, Chargers and Redskins, Bacon had his two best years - 1976-77 - in a Bengals uniform as part of a dominant 14-year career.
-Cleveland Browns: FB-LB Marion Motley, South Carolina State, Nevada-Reno, 1946. One of four Browns undrafted free agents in 1946 elected to the Hall of Fame, joining G Frank Gatski, T-K Lou Groza and G Bill Willis. A 2-time All-Pro and Pro Bowler, he was enshrined in 1968. Modern choice: KR Josh Cribbs, Kent State.
-Dallas Cowboys, S Cliff Harris, Ouachita Baptist. Nicknamed ''Captain Crash,'' the 6-time Pro Bowler and 3-time All-Pro collected 29 interceptions and 16 fumble recoveries. Teamed with Charlie Waters to form the league's best safety tandem of the '70s. Played in 5 Super Bowls.
-Denver Broncos: WR Rod Smith, Missouri Southern. Holds club records for catches (849), yards receiving (11,389) and TD receptions (68) during 12-year career. His career catch and yardage totals are the most among undrafted players in NFL history.
-Detroit Lions: DB Dick ''Night Train'' Lane, Western Nebraska, CC-Scottsbluff. The 7-time Pro Bowler and 3-time All-Pro had 68 career INTs. He originally signed with the Los Angeles Rams and had 14 INTs as a rookie and tallied 10 more for the Chicago Cardinals in '54. Played his last 6 seasons for Lions.
-Green Bay Packers: DB Willie Wood, USC. A QB for the Trojans, he wrote to several teams asking for a tryout and only the Packers responded. He was an 8-time Pro Bowler and 5-time All-Pro who collected 48 career interceptions and won five NFL championships and the first two Super Bowls. Inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1989.
-Houston Texans: RB Arian Foster, Tennessee. After making one start as a rookie in 2009, he's been to three straight Pro Bowls and earned All-Pro status by rushing for 4,264 yards and 41 TDs over the last three seasons to go with a half-dozen TD catches in that span.
-Indianapolis Colts, C Jeff Saturday, North Carolina. The 6-time Pro Bowler and 2-time All-Pro originally signed with Ravens, then sat out a year before joining Colts in 1999. He and Peyton Manning recorded the most starts (170) by a QB-C tandem in NFL history.
-Jacksonville Jaguars: K Mike Hollis, Idaho. Made 80 percent of his kicks over an 8-year career that included a trip to the Pro Bowl in 1997. Edges RB Montell Owens, Maine, who made the Pro Bowl in 2010 and '11 as a special teams ace.
-Kansas City Chiefs: DB Emmitt Thomas, Bishop College, 1966. Played 13 seasons in NFL, was an All-Pro and 5-time Pro Bowl selection who picked off 58 passes in his career. Inducted into Hall of Fame in 2008.
-Miami Dolphins: C Jim Langer, South Dakota State, and G Larry Little, Bethune-Cookman. Langer played a decade in Miami after being cut by the Browns in training camp. A 6-time Pro Bowler and 4-time All-Pro, he was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1987. Little played a dozen seasons in Miami after 2 in San Diego. The 5-time Pro Bowler and 5-time All-Pro was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1993.
-Minnesota Vikings: DE John Randle, Trinity Valley Community College, Texas A&M-Kingsville. Voted to 7 Pro Bowls and named All-Pro 6 times, Randle recorded 8 straight seasons with 10 or more sacks, finishing with 137 1/2 for his career.
-New England Patriots: WR Wes Welker, Texas Tech. The 5-foot-9 receiver is a 5-time Pro Bowler and 2-time All-Pro who originally signed with San Diego, then went to Miami before starring for 6 seasons in New England, where he caught 672 passes, 37 for touchdowns.
-New Orleans Saints: LB Sam Mills, Montclair State. The 5-time Pro Bowler and All-Pro was undersized at 5-foot-9 but started 173 career games, starring in New Orleans from 1986-94 before wrapping up his career with three stellar seasons in Carolina.
-New York Giants: S Emlen Tunnell, Toledo, Iowa. The 9-time Pro Bowler and 4-time All-Pro collected 79 interceptions for Giants from 1947-55 and Packers from '59-61. In 1952 he gained more yards on kickoffs, punts and interceptions (924) than that season's NFL rushing leader. Elected to Hall of Fame in '67.
-New York Jets: WR Wayne Chrebet, Hofstra. After convincing a skeptical security guard at the Jets complex in 1995 that he was there to play football, Chrebet became the first Hofstra player to make an NFL roster since John Schmitt in 1964. His stellar 11-year career was cut short by multiple concussions.
-Oakland Raiders: DB Willie Brown, Grambling State. The 9-time Pro Bowler and 5-time All-Pro originally signed in 1963 with the Houston Oilers, who cut him in training camp. He joined the Broncos, who traded him to Raiders in '67. He had 54 interceptions and was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1984.
-Philadelphia Eagles, CB Herman Edwards, California, San Diego State. Collected 33 interceptions in his decade-long career, including 7 in his second season in 1978. He later coached the Kansas City Chiefs and the New York Jets before embarking on a successful career as an NFL analyst.
-Pittsburgh Steelers: LB James Harrison, Kent State. The 5-time Pro Bowler and 2-time All-Pro helped the Steelers win the Super Bowl in '06 and was the NFL's Defensive Player of the Year in '08. Helped Steelers win another championship that season by returning Kurt Warner's pass 100 yards for a TD. Old-timers choice; CB Jack Butler, St. Bonaventure, and, more recently, DB Donnie Shell, South Carolina State.
-San Diego Chargers: TE Antonio Gates, Kent State. Was a power forward as a college basketball player and didn't play football until signing with the Chargers in 2003. One of the best tight ends in NFL history, he has 83 career TD catches and is an 8-time Pro Bowler and 3-time All-Pro.
-San Francisco 49ers, RB Joe Perry, Compton Community College. The 1969 Hall of Fame inductee was the first player in NFL history to post consecutive 1,000-yard seasons and finished with 12,532 combined yards during a 16-year career in which he was a 3-time Pro Bowler and 2-time All-Pro.
-Seattle Seahawks: QB Dave Krieg, Milton. The 3-time Pro Bowler spent his first 12 seasons in Seattle before stops in Kansas City, Tennessee, Arizona, Chicago and Detroit. He threw for 261 career TDs.
-St. Louis Rams: Kurt Warner, QB, Northern Iowa. Originally signed by the Packers, where he had no shot of beating out Brett Favre. He played in the Arena League before becoming a 2-time MVP and a Super Bowl MVP for the Rams. He also led the Arizona Cardinals to a Super Bowl, capping a 12-year career that included 4 Pro Bowl berths and 2 All-Pro selections.
-Tampa Bay Buccaneers: LB Shelton Quarles, Vanderbilt. Played in 148 games over a 10-year career in Tampa that included a trip to the Pro Bowl in 2002, when he helped the Buccaneers win their only Super Bowl.
-Tennessee Titans: K Rob Bironas, Georgia Southern. Pro Bowler and All-Pro was in camp with Packers in '02, Buccaneers in '03 and Steelers in '04 before landing with Titans in '05. Trails only Al Del Greco in franchise history with 916 career points, ranks 3rd in NFL history (85.6) in accuracy among Ks with 100 FGs. Houston Oilers choice: QB Warren Moon, Washington. Nine-time Pro Bowler elected to Hall of Fame in '06.
-Washington Redskins: T-G Joe Jacoby, Louisville. The 4-time Pro Bowler and 2-time All-Pro was a staple of the Hogs from 1981-93, edges out Antonio Pierce and London Fletcher, who was named to the Pro Bowl at ages 34, 35 and 36.
Keep in mind that the draft used to go on for far more rounds than it does nowdays.
I predict the Pats get to the AFC championship game and lose. :(
LOL, BA, you'll like this from The Onion Twitter feed:
QuoteRavens Impressed By Rolando McClain's Effort While Resisting Arrest
Was planning on taking Tommy to the Bengals draft party down at the stadium, but I'm stuck with the kids tonight because the wife has to run some stupid-ass award ceremony for work. No way I'm taking both kids with me. Lola can't last for 5 minutes in Target without some sort of screaming drama.
The draft party isnt being held at a Target. Any sane person would scream if they were forced to go to a Target. Cut the kid some slack.
I like Target. :(
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 25, 2013, 02:20:27 PM
The draft party isnt being held at a Target.
Yeah, it's being held in a place where I'd be even more embarrassed by my 2-year old throwing a tantrum.
QuoteAny sane person would scream if they were forced to go to a Target. Cut the kid some slack.
Actually she throws a fit because she likes it so much and I'm the big bad guy that won't let her run all over the place and do as she pleases.
Target is great for jailbait watching.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 25, 2013, 04:18:08 PM
Target is great for jailbait watching.
In my neck of the woods it's prime MILF territory. When I used to take Tommy in there with me when he was 2 years old I got a lot of attention from them.
Quote from: derspiess on April 25, 2013, 04:21:16 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 25, 2013, 04:18:08 PM
Target is great for jailbait watching.
In my neck of the woods it's prime MILF territory. When I used to take Tommy in there with me when he was 2 years old I got a lot of attention from them.
In the Beavercreek store near Wright State, I'm the dude churning butter in the corner.
Okay spellus the elder.
Quote from: katmai on April 25, 2013, 04:35:04 PM
Okay spellus the elder.
He only likes Chechen jailbait.
I'm still annoyed with this BS of the draft spread out over 4 fricking days.
Heh. Fire up Chips!
Quote from: katmai on April 25, 2013, 06:43:58 PM
I'm still annoyed with this BS of the draft spread out over 4 fricking days.
Yeah, I don't really get the draft being such great TV. But maybe that's because I don't know who any of the college players are?
Buffalo got the quarterback they needed.
Niners trade up to get the Safety they needed to replace Goldson, now looking for DT, CB and TE with those 3 picks they still have tomorrow.
Jesus Gruden needs to stop slobbering over Mathieu, when dude loses track of how many drug tests he failed at LSU he's not gonna be a #1rd draft pick.
Disappointed Tavon Austin wasn't around for the Bengals, but they got them a stud TE.
Quote from: katmai on April 25, 2013, 09:19:00 PM
Niners trade up to get the Safety they needed to replace Goldson, now looking for DT, CB and TE with those 3 picks they still have tomorrow.
I didn't think he warranted going that high for; Reid's a bit of a reach.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 25, 2013, 09:45:40 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 25, 2013, 09:19:00 PM
Niners trade up to get the Safety they needed to replace Goldson, now looking for DT, CB and TE with those 3 picks they still have tomorrow.
I didn't think he warranted going that high for; Reid's a bit of a reach.
They were worried DerSpicy's 2nd job team would take him so they moved up. IT was either him or small school Cyprien.
And happy to see Desmond Trufant from UDub get picked in 1st round, even if it means he goes to Falcons
I like the Texans pick. They really needed a guy like this.
I love these young guys showing off their kids that are older than mine :huh:
Quote from: derspiess on April 25, 2013, 10:12:59 PM
I love these young guys showing off their kids that are older than mine :huh:
Some hoodrats made some really good investments with their indiscriminate whore-ery.
Quote from: Neil on April 25, 2013, 10:15:42 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 25, 2013, 10:12:59 PM
I love these young guys showing off their kids that are older than mine :huh:
Some hoodrats made some really good investments with their indiscriminate whore-ery.
Yep. It's a lottery, though.
I can't believe the Vikes gave New England all those picks to trade back in.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 25, 2013, 10:21:14 PM
I can't believe the Vikes gave New England all those picks to trade back in.
No shit. There's a reason why the Vikings don't matter.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 25, 2013, 10:21:14 PM
I can't believe the Vikes gave New England all those picks to trade back in.
"Bill Belichick is smart, but sometimes he succeeds just by aiding other teams' efforts to be stupid."
--some guy on Twitter just now
Matt Elam. Stud, stud pick.
I would've liked to have seen Minter, but even Teo wouldn't have been disappointing.
But Elam is pure bangship.
I had been hearing a lot about Elam on the satellite radio over the last couple days, and I'm happy he's going to be a Raven.
So much 1st round talent left for the 2nd round.
I can't believe Lacy was left on the board, especially by the Packers.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 25, 2013, 10:50:18 PM
So much 1st round talent left for the 2nd round.
I can't believe Lacy was left on the board, especially by the Packers.
No Running backs and just one QB right?
And yeah stoked Niners have 2 picks in 2nd including the 2nd one of 2nd round.
Quote from: katmai on April 25, 2013, 10:50:51 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 25, 2013, 10:50:18 PM
So much 1st round talent left for the 2nd round.
I can't believe Lacy was left on the board, especially by the Packers.
No Running backs and just one QB right?
Yup, the only QB worth drafting in the first round, and both Lacy and Monty Ball are on the board.
QuoteAnd yeah stoked Niners have 2 picks in 2nd including the 2nd one of 2nd round.
I think they reached for Reid, but they'll definitely make up for it tomorrow with that 2/2 pick. If they take Tank Carridine, I'm gonna be so fucking pissed.
Quote from: Neil on April 25, 2013, 10:48:40 PM
I had been hearing a lot about Elam on the satellite radio over the last couple days, and I'm happy he's going to be a Raven.
Yeah, he definitely fits the role. I'm glad he was where he was, and he's an underclassman so he's starting young.
I think Elam, as opposed to Reid--who I think played out of position at LSU--has more instincts and is more polished.
I think they are looking at him or Jesse Williams the DT from 'Bama as that is 2nd biggest need after Safety
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 25, 2013, 11:02:27 PM
I think Elam, as opposed to Reid--who I think played out of position at LSU--has more instincts and is more polished.
I may doubt Harbaugh on his play calling, but so far been good on his picking of players ^_^
Report on Elam
QuoteTends to go for the kill shot too often and loses the ability to tackle consistently as a result.
Yeah Niners had enough of that with Goldson.... :P
Quote from: katmai on April 25, 2013, 11:07:18 PM
Report on Elam
QuoteTends to go for the kill shot too often and loses the ability to tackle consistently as a result.
Yeah Niners had enough of that with Goldson.... :P
Well, they just did the same with Reid:
QuoteWeaknesses: Reid's biggest strength is also his greatest weakness. He plays with nonstop aggressiveness and intensity, but he doesn't always control that hostility in a smart way on the football field. He throws his body around and might be the most violent striker in the SEC, but if Reid doesn't learn how to play smarter and harness his fierce playing style then he'll have a tough time making a living in the NFL.
:lol:
So sounds like only difference between the two is Niners guy is taller so might be better vs the TE's but not as good in pass coverage :P
I think Reid's talents are better suited as a SS, but his physique simply shouts FS. Kinda reminds me of Eric Turner.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 25, 2013, 11:19:53 PM
I think Reid's talents are better suited as a SS, but his physique simply shouts FS. Kinda reminds me of Eric Turner.
I know they went for pick with not just replacing Goldson, but this is Whitner's last year of his contract.
They picked up the dude from Rams, but he seems like depth to me.
A first round Raiders pick! It's been a few years. Here's to hoping it pans out for a change. I would have loved to have gotten to trade down one more time to amass a few more picks. Judging by how long they went into the clock, I'm thinking they were hoping for the same. There are still so many holes to fill, but I suppose it's still a multi-year project. If I don't see results by the end of next year, I'll be disappointed. Also, a decent pickup by the Browns. Not a bad day 1 of the draft for my favorite teams.
Knowing Raiders track record hopefully kid is able to come back from that freaky accident.
Raiders players tend toward the mental self destructiveness, not physical. But yeah, I'm hoping he does as well. Even if he doesn't up playing for the team for a long period of time or doesn't have the physical and mental edge he used to, it's still a great comeback story.
Rodgers just signed a 5-year, $110-million extension.
Niners traded down from #34 to #40th pick and added just what they needed in two more picks :lol: (7th rounder which they now have 4 of them and 3rd round in 2014 draft)
Te'o is a Charger.
Jets love Geno!
Quote from: katmai on April 26, 2013, 06:07:43 PM
Jets love Geno!
I think that Rex Ryan doesn't want to replace Mark Sanchez--he wants to keep him as his starter, but just make him as miserable as hell.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 25, 2013, 10:55:17 PM
I think they reached for Reid, but they'll definitely make up for it tomorrow with that 2/2 pick. If they take Tank Carridine, I'm gonna be so fucking pissed.
Someone is gonna be pissed!
I KNOW I SAW DAMMIT
Just making sure! And damn Niners need a backup TE and two i liked are off the board now. No idea where they go with the their second 2nd rd pick.
Quote from: katmai on April 26, 2013, 06:03:24 PM
Te'o is a Charger.
:lol:
Poor guy. He's got to be the unluckiest guy around.
WTF, AN ESTONIAN?
NO EUROS BUNGLES.
DeAndre Hopkins and DJ Swearinger so far for the Texans. I really like both of these picks.
Quote from: Ed Anger on April 26, 2013, 07:02:01 PM
WTF, AN ESTONIAN?
NO EUROS BUNGLES.
Had a Ghanian and a Kraut go in the first round. Granted, Ghana's not in Europe.
Cardinals :nelson:
Quote from: katmai on April 26, 2013, 08:00:47 PM
Cardinals :nelson:
For what Mathieu? I like it. He has first round talent. If he can keep his head on straight it is a great pick, and definitely worth the risk there IMO.
But isn't the whole point of that guy that he's totally mental? How will a few million dollars help that?
Is he really totally mental? I thought he just smoked too much pot.
Quote from: sbr on April 26, 2013, 08:17:47 PM
Is he really totally mental? I thought he just smoked too much pot.
I can't say for sure. I'm not familiar enough with US college players. Until they become Ravens. Then I care about them.
Quote from: sbr on April 26, 2013, 08:17:47 PM
Is he really totally mental? I thought he just smoked too much pot.
Maybe, but at best that makes him Ricky Williams, volume 2. Nobody needs that--I could go for a dozen lifetimes without ever seeing Mike Ditka in a wedding dress again.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 26, 2013, 07:26:11 PM
DeAndre Hopkins and DJ Swearinger so far for the Texans. I really like both of these picks.
Yeah, both instant starters. And Swearinger is a beast.
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2013, 07:01:48 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 26, 2013, 06:03:24 PM
Te'o is a Charger.
:lol:
Poor guy. He's got to be the unluckiest guy around.
I think he'll wind up being happy there. But, you know there will be the constant comparisons to Junior Seau.
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2013, 08:20:25 PM
Quote from: sbr on April 26, 2013, 08:17:47 PM
Is he really totally mental? I thought he just smoked too much pot.
I can't say for sure. I'm not familiar enough with US college players. Until they become Ravens. Then I care about them.
I hate to see trading up, but I can't cry over the Ravens moving up for Brown; undersized but fast, good against the run and can drop into coverage against the pass, a three down linebacker. Sound like anybody familiar?
They should really stop interviewing Mathieu. It's painful.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 26, 2013, 08:35:26 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2013, 08:20:25 PM
Quote from: sbr on April 26, 2013, 08:17:47 PM
Is he really totally mental? I thought he just smoked too much pot.
I can't say for sure. I'm not familiar enough with US college players. Until they become Ravens. Then I care about them.
I hate to see trading up, but I can't cry over the Ravens moving up for Brown; undersized but fast, good against the run and can drop into coverage against the pass, a three down linebacker. Sound like anybody familiar?
Butkis?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 26, 2013, 08:42:14 PM
They should really stop interviewing Mathieu. It's painful.
They need to stop with the guest announcers.
You would think a quit vetting would have let them know Willie Brown is illiterate. The marine chick was painful too.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 26, 2013, 08:47:22 PM
Quote from: dps on April 26, 2013, 08:42:58 PM
Butkis?
No. Singletary.
Ass.
Wasn't being an ass--it would apply to Butkis, too, though I guess for his time he wasn't really undersized.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 26, 2013, 08:31:00 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2013, 07:01:48 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 26, 2013, 06:03:24 PM
Te'o is a Charger.
:lol:
Poor guy. He's got to be the unluckiest guy around.
I think he'll wind up being happy there. But, you know there will be the constant comparisons to Junior Seau.
Well, I suppose if he feels no need to try hard or win, he'll fit right in.
I mean, who gives up 4th and 29?
Quote from: sbr on April 26, 2013, 08:04:32 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 26, 2013, 08:00:47 PM
Cardinals :nelson:
For what Mathieu? I like it. He has first round talent. If he can keep his head on straight it is a great pick, and definitely worth the risk there IMO.
On field he's great, could be good talent to counter the Harvin's and Austin's that will be in slot this fall, but off the field he's a mess. Hoping that Peterson can keep him on straight and narrow is understandable by Arizona, but I wouldn't want him on my team.
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2013, 09:06:09 PM
Well, I suppose if he feels no need to try hard or win, he'll fit right in.
I mean, who gives up 4th and 29?
Norv Turned as head coach teams, hence why he's back to OC.
Derspicy is gonna be a Rams fan this fall.
Yikes. Creepy pedo Ravens fan on NFLN just now.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 26, 2013, 09:20:53 PM
Yikes. Creepy pedo Ravens fan on NFLN just now.
Is seedy posting from draft?
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 26, 2013, 09:20:53 PM
Yikes. Creepy pedo Ravens fan on NFLN just now.
The guy with the hat? Why is he a pedo?
Hopefully the RT Houston picked up can help fix the right side of the line. I don't know anything about Sam Montgomery, who they got with their 3rd round compensatory pick, although they needed an "OLB" to back up Mercilus/replace Barwin.
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2013, 09:26:13 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 26, 2013, 09:20:53 PM
Yikes. Creepy pedo Ravens fan on NFLN just now.
The guy with the hat? Why is he a pedo?
Ravens fan. :P
The creepy part comes from the combo of the head tilt, slow arm movement, noises, etc. I assume he was making noises, but if not the face he was making was even more weird.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 26, 2013, 09:35:17 PM
Hopefully the RT Houston picked up can help fix the right side of the line. I don't know anything about Sam Montgomery, who they got with their 3rd round compensatory pick, although they needed an "OLB" to back up Mercilus/replace Barwin.
Quote from: Neil on April 26, 2013, 09:26:13 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 26, 2013, 09:20:53 PM
Yikes. Creepy pedo Ravens fan on NFLN just now.
The guy with the hat? Why is he a pedo?
Ravens fan. :P
The creepy part comes from the combo of the head tilt, slow arm movement, noises, etc. I assume he was making noises, but if not the face he was making was even more weird.
I just assumed he was pretty drunk.
Lattimore is a Niner :o
The Texans just traded their 5th round pick to StL for (apparently) a pair of 6th rounders. They took another DL/OLB in the 4th. Trevardo Williams out of UConn. Don't know who he is, but 6'1" 241 with a 4.57 40. Outside pass rusher. Looks like Brooks Reed is going to be the starting ILB next to Cushing.
E: Yeah it was for two 6th round picks, meaning Houston has five picks left. Heh.
Quote from: katmai on April 27, 2013, 01:56:54 PM
Lattimore is a Niner :o
That's pretty cool. Probably the best thing he could have done was get himself to an NFL team so he could take advantage of a pro team's facilities/medical staff/etc for his recovery and rehab.
Yeah he won't be rushed since have Gore, Kendall Hunter and LaMichael James all coming back.
Quote from: katmai on April 27, 2013, 01:56:54 PM
Lattimore is a Niner :o
I really hate the Niners right now.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 27, 2013, 02:29:42 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 27, 2013, 01:56:54 PM
Lattimore is a Niner :o
I really hate the Niners right now.
i knew you would respond. And last I looked you have no reason to hate them mr ratbird fan.
Kenyon Barner finally went in the middle of the 6th round. That seems low, even with the devaluation of RBs.
EDIT: Though going to Carolina is a good spot for him, assuming they run some variation of a spread option offense there with Cam Newton.
I am even more surprised Jordan Poyer, CB from the Beavers hasn't been picked yet. I am pretty sure he is better than the 25th best corner out there. Hopefully he now falls to someone who really needs him.
Texans draft:
1. DeAndre Hopkins WR Clemson
2. DJ Swearinger S SCAR
3a. Brennan Williams OT UNC
3b. Sam Montgomery OLB LSU
4. Trevardo Williams OLB UCONN
6a. David Quessenberry OT SDSU
6b. Alan Bonner WR Jax State
6c. Chris Jones NT BGSU
6d. Ryan Griffin TE UCONN
:)
Will that help them avoid a late season choke?
Quote from: PDH on April 27, 2013, 05:38:47 PM
Will that help them avoid a late season choke?
:huh: Are you talking about the Texans?
Quote from: PDH on April 27, 2013, 05:38:47 PM
Will that help them avoid a late season choke?
I wouldn't call what the Texans did last year a choke.
Quote from: katmai on April 27, 2013, 02:33:49 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 27, 2013, 02:29:42 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 27, 2013, 01:56:54 PM
Lattimore is a Niner :o
I really hate the Niners right now.
i knew you would respond. And last I looked you have no reason to hate them mr ratbird fan.
They keep drafting my favorite players, which means I won't be able to see them play as often with the NFL's regional bullshit. :mad:
Take it as a compliment, as you have good taste. :P
Fucking Niners have stockpiled so much talent the last two seasons, it's not even fucking funny. Didn't even start a rookie once last year. Didn't have to.
They're just silly stocked. It's disgusting. Should just change their name to the San Francisco Crimson Tide already.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 27, 2013, 06:02:39 PM
Quote from: PDH on April 27, 2013, 05:38:47 PM
Will that help them avoid a late season choke?
:huh: Are you talking about the Texans?
Another attempt at a troll fails. I guess I will have to leave it to the masters.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 27, 2013, 07:09:13 PM
They're just silly stocked. It's disgusting. Should just change their name to the San Francisco Crimson Tide already.
Sure, hate them now. But after 20 or so years of dominance they will have 4-5 years of mediocrity again. Mark my words.
Quote from: PDH on April 27, 2013, 07:14:39 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 27, 2013, 07:09:13 PM
They're just silly stocked. It's disgusting. Should just change their name to the San Francisco Crimson Tide already.
Sure, hate them now. But after 20 or so years of dominance they will have 4-5 years of mediocrity again. Mark my words.
Indeed! Though was more like a decade. :cry:
Quote
British discus star announces he will sign with 49ers
April 27, 2013, 5:00 pm
Lawrence Okoye, 21, is the British discus record-holder. He placed 12th in the London Olympics.
SANTA CLARA -- British Olympian Lawrence Okoye, who impressed NFL scouts with his rare physical ability, will sign with the 49ers as an undrafted free agent, he announced on his Twitter page.
Okoye will sign a three-year contract with the 49ers and attempt to make a transition to defensive line in the NFL.
Coach Jim Harbaugh, speaking Saturday evening after the draft, that he felt "inadequate" when he met the 6-foot-6, 305-pound Okoye on a recent visit to the 49ers' team offices.
"This is an Adonis, a great physical specimen of a man," Harbaugh said. "Our creator created a beautiful man."
Okoye, 21, was an accomplished rugby player who decided to begin throwing the discus. Two years later, he became the British discus record-holder and placed 12th in the London Olympics.
He has never played football, but Harbaugh said giving him a chance to learn from defensive line coach Jim Tomsula may enable him to become a top-level football player, too.
"You start to put the pieces together and say, 'Taking on football at this time in his life, I can see this guy doing it,'" Harbaugh said. "I'm excited."
Okoye attended two regional combines and attracted the attention of NFL scouts with his size and athleticism. He reportedly ran the 40-yard dash in 4.88 and 4.78 seconds while posting a 10-foot-5 broad jump and a 35-inch vertical jump recently at a combine at Cowboys Stadium.
The 49ers have experience with Olympians. Michael Carter, who attended Southern Methodist on a football scholarship, won the silver medal in the 1984 Olympics. The following season, Carter played nose tackle on the 49ers' Super Bowl-winning team. Carter, a fifth-round draft pick in 1984, played for the 49ers through 1992.
Defensive end Jeff Stover was also a member of that 49ers championship team. Stover, who grew up in the small Northern California town of Corning, did not play football at Oregon. He was one of the best shot-putters in the country, but did not get a chance to participate in the 1980 Olympics because of the United States' boycott. Stover impressed the 49ers in a tryout and ended up playing for the club from 1982 to '88.
Texans UDFA moves:
Justin Tuggle, LB, Kansas State
Travis Howard, CB, Ohio St
Willie Jefferson, DE, Stephen F. Austin
Graham Pocic, OL, Illinois
Ja'Gared Davis, LB, SMU
Ray Graham, RB, Pitt
Uzoma Nwachukwu, WR, Texas A&M
Kenny Demens, LB, Michigan
Orhian Johnson, S, Ohio State
Dennis Johnson, RB, Arkansas
Collin Klein, QB/TE, Kansas State
Cierre Wood, RB, Notre Dame
Earl Okine, DE, Florida
Zach Boren, FB, Ohio State
I wonder if Collin Klein can block and catch. Dude can definitely run and take a hit like a TE.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on April 27, 2013, 11:43:24 PM
Cierre Wood, RB, Notre Dame
As an UDFA, that was a steal. A good multi-purpose back that has the burst up the middle to get to the 2nd level in the defense, can run outside the tackles or line up outside as a wideout. He should definitely help.
Well they're looking to replace Justin Forsett, so maybe he'll get that spot. I don't know anything about the pig or the guy from Pitt though.
The texans will like Zach Boren.
Greenbay Packers picks:
Quote1 26 26 Datone Jones, DE, UCLA
2 29 61 Eddie Lacy, RB, Alabama
4 12 109 David Bakhtiari, T, Colorado
4 25 122 J.C. Tretter, G/T, Cornell
4 28 125 Johnathan Franklin, RB, UCLA
5 26 159 Micah Hyde, DB, Iowa
5 34 167 Josh Boyd, DT, Mississippi State
6 25 193 Nate Palmer, OLB, Illinois State
7 10 216 Charles Johnson, WR, Grand Valley State
7 18 224 Kevin Dorsey, WR, Maryland
7 26 232 Sam Barrington, LB, South Florida
Interesting Picks, was hoping for montee ball but Lacy is pretty good.....right? :unsure:
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 28, 2013, 12:48:51 PM
Interesting Picks, was hoping for montee ball but Lacy is pretty good.....right? :unsure:
Lacy is a monster back. I couldn't believe he fell to the 2nd round.
Lacy's body is pretty beat up for a young guy just out of college. I think durability questions are what made him fall.
Yeah, but they were more dings and dents than anything systemic.
He's a total gym rat, though; benches with the offensive linemen. His workout regimen is 2nd to none when it comes to running backs. That alone will protect him more than most RBs protect themselves.
Now, he may not make it 8 years, but so few bruiser RBs do these days. Also, I wouldn't say that a program like Saban's is the most...compassionate...when it comes to players, training and their injuries. The Packers won't run him into the ground in training camp and the preseason.
He was the fourth running back drafted actually, first was Bernard from NC, Bell from Michigan State, and ball from Wisconsin.
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 28, 2013, 01:36:40 PM
He was the fourth running back drafted actually, first was Bernard from NC, Bell from Michigan State, and ball from Wisconsin.
OK. :huh: I think we all kinda knew that.
You couldn't believe he fell to the second round....but he was the 4th running back drafted in the second round and he nearly fell to the third round. :mellow:
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 28, 2013, 01:50:52 PM
You couldn't believe he fell to the second round....but he was the 4th running back drafted in the second round and he nearly fell to the third round. :mellow:
Yeah, I couldn't, because I expected Lacy and Ball to go in the 1st round.
You don't do garbon very well. So knock it off, fuckwheat.
I just wasn't too surprised that he fell that late, was disappointed that the Packers didn't get Bell or Ball.
I'm not sure what graboning is unless its being a faggy douchebag.
:moon:
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 28, 2013, 02:07:25 PM
I'm not sure what graboning is unless its being a faggy douchebag.
I state an opinion, and you repeat facts I already know, like it's some sort of contrary point.
So yeah, that's being a faggy douchebag.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 28, 2013, 02:08:52 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on April 28, 2013, 02:07:25 PM
I'm not sure what graboning is unless its being a faggy douchebag.
I state an opinion, and you repeat facts I already know, like it's some sort of contrary point.
So yeah, that's being a faggy douchebag.
I dunno, maybe you cant read good no more. You're gettin old pappy.
Stop being a contrarian assfuck, you contrarian assfuck.
Where's your god now Tebow? Should have collected the groupies when you had the chance.
Quote from: HVC on April 29, 2013, 08:29:25 AM
Where's your god now Tebow? Should have collected the groupies when you had the chance.
He's no longer a Jet. Sounds like salvation to me.
No shit. I could see him winding up in Chicago, because Trestman's a goof like that.
The Washington Post was tossing up the possibility of the CFL, though.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 29, 2013, 07:37:25 PM
No shit. I could see him winding up in Chicago, because Trestman's a goof like that.
The Washington Post was tossing up the possibility of the CFL, though.
The CFL makes sense. It worked for Flutie, Moon, Garcia, Theismann. I don't think Trestman would take him, if only because that's such a CFL thing to do. I don't think
Quote from: Neil on April 29, 2013, 07:56:13 PM
The CFL makes sense. It worked for Flutie, Moon, Garcia, Theismann.
Maybe somebody up there won't actually be afraid he'll succeed, unlike John Elway or Rex Ryan.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 29, 2013, 09:34:42 PM
Quote from: Neil on April 29, 2013, 07:56:13 PM
The CFL makes sense. It worked for Flutie, Moon, Garcia, Theismann.
Maybe somebody up there won't actually be afraid he'll succeed, unlike John Elway or Rex Ryan.
It'll be alright. Firstly, nobody up here gives a rat's ass about college ball, so what he did at Florida isn't going to matter to the fans. And then there aren't crazy christians around who will flock to his religiousness, so that will help. If you subtract the cultish weirdness from the fanbase, then a team can evaluate Tebow strictly on his merits, and we'll see what he's got. The problem was never Tebow, it was American culture.
Quote from: Neil on April 30, 2013, 07:35:32 AM
The problem was never Tebow, it was American culture.
I think his throwing mechanics may have something to do with it, but suit yourself.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 30, 2013, 07:41:00 AM
Quote from: Neil on April 30, 2013, 07:35:32 AM
The problem was never Tebow, it was American culture.
I think his throwing mechanics may have something to do with it, but suit yourself.
Those throwing mechanics made the playoffs and beat the Steelers. He'd be a backup at least somewhere if it wasn't for the crazy cult.
And again Neil shows how little he knows about football :console:
Quote from: katmai on April 30, 2013, 07:56:57 AM
And again Neil shows how little he knows about football :console:
Fuck you, faggot. Jared Lorenzen was in the league for four years as a backup, and he was compromised by the fact that he looked and moved like a guard. He didn't damage his team just by being there. Tebow does, and it's because of cultist crazies.
He won a playoff game because the Steelers had so little respect for him they played 0 coverage the entire game and he made 2 throws.
He has no ability to play qb full time anywhere, but even he can occasionally hit an.open receiver.
Quote from: sbr on April 30, 2013, 08:28:27 AM
He won a playoff game because the Steelers had so little respect for him they played 0 coverage the entire game and he made 2 throws.
He has no ability to play qb full time anywhere, but even he can occasionally hit an.open receiver.
But only 47% of the time. And while the Steelers might have had little respect for his arm, they certainly respected his legs.
I don't think that Tebow is an NFL starter. He worked in Denver because the Broncos can run the ball effectively and have a top 5 defence, but if you put him in, say, Matt Stafford's situation, the result wouldn't be good. The modern era depends on the pass, be it Brady/Manning-style high-percentage chain moving, or Flacco long bombs for 50+ yards. That said, I have a hard time believing that Tebow is materially worse than a lot of guys who have played backup in the NFL. If it weren't for the fact that his cultists are damaging to whatever team he's on, he'd have a much better chance of playing for a while longer in the NFL.
He's not even a backup at this point, he can be if he is willing to accept fact he needs to keep working on his delivery. The question is if he's willing to do that.
He got fucked when that dipshit in Denver spent 1st round pick on him and inflated his worth. And then the shitty competition in Denver didn't help. And the Jets are a fucking joke. So for his sake he needs to find team that will just let him sit in as 3rd string.
Quote from: Neil on April 30, 2013, 07:35:32 AM
If you subtract the cultish weirdness from the fanbase, then a team can evaluate Tebow strictly on his merits, and we'll see what he's got. The problem was never Tebow, it was American culture.
I think at least half the blame lies with the anti-Tebowites.
Quote from: Neil on April 30, 2013, 08:04:09 AM
Fuck you, faggot. Jared Lorenzen was in the league for four years as a backup, and he was compromised by the fact that he looked and moved like a guard. He didn't damage his team just by being there. Tebow does, and it's because of cultist crazies.
Lorenzen was fun to watch in college. Too bad you missed out on that :(
Quote from: katmai on April 30, 2013, 10:27:56 AM
He's not even a backup at this point, he can be if he is willing to accept fact he needs to keep working on his delivery. The question is if he's willing to do that.
He got fucked when that dipshit in Denver spent 1st round pick on him and inflated his worth. And then the shitty competition in Denver didn't help. And the Jets are a fucking joke. So for his sake he needs to find team that will just let him sit in as 3rd string.
BA is going to kick your ass for dissing Kyle Orton.
You have to wonder. Sure, Denver has a history of sub-par coaching at most positions, and the Jets are a punchline, but by now people must have been working with Tebow on his throwing motion for years. Then again, I suppose the last time I saw him throw a ball was that pass he threw to Demaryius Thomas in the playoffs. Obviously I would not watch a Jets game that the Ravens weren't involved in unless I was really bored, and even if I did Tebow hardly played. I don't know if he's gotten better since then or what. Has he been improving or not?
Orton is a joke, and BA can blow me. :P
I can't speak to his coaching at Denver, but shit look at Jets and regression of Sanchez from his first couple seasons to last. (Granted part of that was last year the Jets had no one, and i mean no one to throw to or hand off
Sorry Shonn Greene but 276 1,063 3.9 isn't very impressive.
Part of the whole joke drafting Geno is even if they cut Sanchez and stick him in, who do they have for him to go to?
Quote from: katmai on April 30, 2013, 10:50:59 AM
I can't speak to his coaching at Denver, but shit look at Jets and regression of Sanchez from his first couple seasons to last.
:rolleyes: Here we go-- it's not the Mexican QB's fault he sucks. It's the coaches'.
:P
Nah, USC qb's have been waay overrated since the Carroll era.
But of course the best QB of all time is Jim Plunkett!
Quote from: katmai on April 30, 2013, 11:08:57 AM
But of course the best QB of all time is Jim Plunkett!
What does that have to do with USC?
USC's QBs have sucked since Carroll...but Jim Plunkett is the best of all time. Which sounded to me like you were saying USC produced Plunkett but he went to Stanford.
Quote from: derspiess on April 30, 2013, 10:33:19 AM
Quote from: Neil on April 30, 2013, 07:35:32 AM
If you subtract the cultish weirdness from the fanbase, then a team can evaluate Tebow strictly on his merits, and we'll see what he's got. The problem was never Tebow, it was American culture.
I think at least half the blame lies with the anti-Tebowites.
Which group though? The ones who say 'His mechanics are wrong and he can't play' or the ones who are like 'He's too Christian'?
Quote from: Valmy on April 30, 2013, 11:16:42 AM
USC's QBs have sucked since Carroll...but Jim Plunkett is the best of all time. Which sounded to me like you were saying USC produced Plunkett but he went to Stanford.
No, it sounded like USC's QBs have sucked since Carroll...but Jim Plunkett is the best of all time.
Quote from: Neil on April 30, 2013, 11:17:20 AM
Which group though? The ones who say 'His mechanics are wrong and he can't play' or the ones who are like 'He's too Christian'?
The latter, which was a lot more vocal and helped create the cult.
Valmy needs to re-read derspicy's post I responded to.
Quote from: katmai on April 30, 2013, 11:26:52 AM
Valmy needs to re-read derspicy's post I responded to.
He also needs to review this:
http://youtu.be/8zFS7TFzlro
Quote from: katmai on April 30, 2013, 10:50:59 AM
Orton is a joke, and BA can blow me. :P
Orton had an overall qb rating of 137.1, a 90% completion rate and no ints last year! :showoff:
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on April 30, 2013, 01:37:15 PM
Quote from: katmai on April 30, 2013, 10:50:59 AM
Orton is a joke, and BA can blow me. :P
Orton had an overall qb rating of 137.1, a 90% completion rate and no ints last year! :showoff:
...and threw 10 passes. :P
I'm surprised Orton hasn't dropped dead of liver failure yet.
It's that time of year again.
QuoteD.C. Council may push Washington Redskins into 'Washington Redtails'
A D.C. Council member is preparing to introduce a resolution calling on the Washington Redskins to change its name, perhaps to the Washington Redtails.
Council member David Grosso, an independent elected last year, said he plans to pursue his non-binding resolution because the current name is "a derogatory, racist name."
"It's been a long time that we've had this name associated with Washington, and I think its time we take a stand and change it," Grosso said.
Grosso is circulating his resolution to other council members to try to get co-sponsors. So far, he said, council members Muriel Bowser (D-Ward 4) and Kenyan McDuffie (D-Ward 5) have agreed to sign on to it.
In recent months, as the Redskins made their run toward the playoffs, debate about the Redskins name has been heating up. Earlier this year, Mayor Vincent C. Gray (D) said he would also like the name changed. But Redskins owner Daniel Snyder and team officials have largely avoided the debate, giving no indications that they are seriously considering such a change.
According to Grosso's resolution, which he said he plans to formally introduce in a few weeks, the 13-member council would declare that "District residents and their elected representatives should not tolerate commercial or other use of derogatory terminology relating to any people's racial identity, or which dishonors any person's race, or which dishonors the name Washington."
"Washington's name has been dishonored by association with the word 'Redskins,' " the resolution states. "Because it is well known in America and in nations afar that American Indians have experienced utmost suffering and disrespect over the years."
Past debates about a Redskins name change have quickly become hung up on what would be an appropriate name for the team.
In his resolution, Grosso urges the team to change its name to the Washington Redtails, noting that that was the nickname used by the Tuskegee Airmen, the pioneering aviation unit that broke the color barrier for U.S. military pilots in World War II. A plane used by the airmen recently was put in a place of honor in the Smithsonian.
Grosso said a change to the Redtails would be a relatively seamless.
"You can still sing the song and everything," said Grosso, before singing, "Hail . . . to the . . . Redtails."
Just as importantly, Grosso said, "you can still keep the feather."
Tebow cleared waivers, so no team was willing to take a chance on him with the contract he had.
Somebody will sign him. He's not capable of being a full time QB, but he's certainly capable of more than a single sneak attempt up the middle that was called offsides anyway.
Heaven forbid he had accomplished anything and proven Rex wrong for sticking with Sanchez.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2013, 06:11:04 AM
It's that time of year again.
It is shocking to me they still get away with that name. I sorta hoped in the 20 years when they were sucking it up they would have just quietly changed the name. But I guess Redtails is as good as any. They could certainly do alot worse.
They had me until I read the reasoning for the name.
Quote from: HVC on May 01, 2013, 08:36:50 AM
They had me until I read the reasoning for the name.
What did you think it was supposed to mean?
They'll probably end up as the "Washington Martin Luther King Jr.'s."
Quote from: Kleves on May 01, 2013, 09:06:01 AM
They'll probably end up as the "Washington Martin Luther King Jr.'s."
At least it would piss off Dorsey.
But I live in terror of the fate that has befallen the College Redskins equivalents. The St. John's Red Storm? WTF is that?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2013, 06:15:57 AM
Somebody will sign him. He's not capable of being a full time QB, but he's certainly capable of more than a single sneak attempt up the middle that was called offsides anyway.
Heaven forbid he had accomplished anything and proven Rex wrong for sticking with Sanchez.
Lots of media speculation (not sure if based on anything substantive) about Tebow coming to the CFL. Apparently the Alouettes hold his rights.
Quote from: Valmy on May 01, 2013, 09:54:37 AM
Quote from: Kleves on May 01, 2013, 09:06:01 AM
They'll probably end up as the "Washington Martin Luther King Jr.'s."
At least it would piss off Dorsey.
But I live in terror of the fate that has befallen the College Redskins equivalents. The St. John's Red Storm? WTF is that?
ask the cheerleaders once a month :D
Quote from: Barrister on May 01, 2013, 09:57:54 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2013, 06:15:57 AM
Somebody will sign him. He's not capable of being a full time QB, but he's certainly capable of more than a single sneak attempt up the middle that was called offsides anyway.
Heaven forbid he had accomplished anything and proven Rex wrong for sticking with Sanchez.
Lots of media speculation (not sure if based on anything substantive) about Tebow coming to the CFL. Apparently the Alouettes hold his rights.
I was reading though they only offered to let him compete to be Calvillos backup... I guess they could move his rights to Toronto :nelson:
Quote from: daveracher on May 01, 2013, 10:10:55 AM
Quote from: Barrister on May 01, 2013, 09:57:54 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2013, 06:15:57 AM
Somebody will sign him. He's not capable of being a full time QB, but he's certainly capable of more than a single sneak attempt up the middle that was called offsides anyway.
Heaven forbid he had accomplished anything and proven Rex wrong for sticking with Sanchez.
Lots of media speculation (not sure if based on anything substantive) about Tebow coming to the CFL. Apparently the Alouettes hold his rights.
I was reading though they only offered to let him compete to be Calvillos backup... I guess they could move his rights to Toronto :nelson:
Well, yeah. It's not as if Tebow is a proven pro QB.
But if you think about it that is actually a hell of an offer. Montreal is a perennial favourite, Calvillo a certain hall of famer. Th chance to learn from him would be valuable.
Plus Calvillo is 40. He's not going to be playing much longer.
*If* Tim Tebow was serious about wanting to be a professional quarterback, that would be his chance to do it.
Quote from: Syt on May 01, 2013, 09:05:03 AM
Quote from: HVC on May 01, 2013, 08:36:50 AM
They had me until I read the reasoning for the name.
What did you think it was supposed to mean?
a bird, like the hawk.
Quote from: Barrister on May 01, 2013, 10:17:41 AM
Quote from: daveracher on May 01, 2013, 10:10:55 AM
Quote from: Barrister on May 01, 2013, 09:57:54 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 01, 2013, 06:15:57 AM
Somebody will sign him. He's not capable of being a full time QB, but he's certainly capable of more than a single sneak attempt up the middle that was called offsides anyway.
Heaven forbid he had accomplished anything and proven Rex wrong for sticking with Sanchez.
Lots of media speculation (not sure if based on anything substantive) about Tebow coming to the CFL. Apparently the Alouettes hold his rights.
I was reading though they only offered to let him compete to be Calvillos backup... I guess they could move his rights to Toronto :nelson:
Well, yeah. It's not as if Tebow is a proven pro QB.
But if you think about it that is actually a hell of an offer. Montreal is a perennial favourite, Calvillo a certain hall of famer. Th chance to learn from him would be valuable.
Plus Calvillo is 40. He's not going to be playing much longer.
*If* Tim Tebow was serious about wanting to be a professional quarterback, that would be his chance to do it.
Even some of the US talking heads were saying he should try the Flutie route. I don't see him taking second fiddle in the CFL though.
He can't be first fiddle tomorrow morning without ever having played 3 down football before, there is just no way.
Quote from: Grey Fox on May 01, 2013, 10:30:37 AM
He can't be first fiddle tomorrow morning without ever having played 3 down football before, there is just no way.
Yeah, not as a quarterback.
Besides, Calvillo is old as fuck and getting brittle. If he goes there, he could be starting very soon.
Quote from: daveracher on May 01, 2013, 10:27:05 AM
Even some of the US talking heads were saying he should try the Flutie route. I don't see him taking second fiddle in the CFL though.
The problem for Tebow in the CFL is that it is even more of a throwing league than the NFL. A CFL team might be able to build a college type option offence around him but it would be an odd sight for 3 down football.
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 01, 2013, 12:10:07 PM
The problem for Tebow in the CFL is that it is even more of a throwing league than the NFL. A CFL team might be able to build a college type option offence around him but it would be an odd sight for 3 down football.
See, to me the interesting question about Tebow is whether or not an NFL team could build a college-type option offense around him and succeed. Everybody just assumes that it can't work in the NFL, but nobody has ever really tried it long-term, so we don't really know.
Whether or not Tebow can ever develop as a passer to the point that he can succeed in a more traditional NFL-type offense is a lot less interesting question.
Quote from: dps on May 01, 2013, 05:27:12 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 01, 2013, 12:10:07 PM
The problem for Tebow in the CFL is that it is even more of a throwing league than the NFL. A CFL team might be able to build a college type option offence around him but it would be an odd sight for 3 down football.
See, to me the interesting question about Tebow is whether or not an NFL team could build a college-type option offense around him and succeed. Everybody just assumes that it can't work in the NFL, but nobody has ever really tried it long-term, so we don't really know.
Whether or not Tebow can ever develop as a passer to the point that he can succeed in a more traditional NFL-type offense is a lot less interesting question.
I just don't think a full-time option offense is possible in the NFL. The defensive players are just too fast and strong and it would be much harder to stretch the field horizontally like good college option attacks do.
The other problem is better coaching and more time to practice; there is so little practice time during the season in college that adjusting to an option attack in a week is very hard. In the NFL you have more time to prepare and walkthrough things, so it is easier to make bigger adjustments between opponents in-season.
Lastly NFL defenders are really big and really fast and really strong and really mean. The more hits your QB takes, the greater the chance he doesn't get back up. If you ran an option offense you would have to have 5-6 low-to-medium paid option type QBs on your roster, though that wouldn't be all that hard since you would have no competition for them.
Quote from: sbr on May 01, 2013, 09:01:54 PM
Quote from: dps on May 01, 2013, 05:27:12 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on May 01, 2013, 12:10:07 PM
The problem for Tebow in the CFL is that it is even more of a throwing league than the NFL. A CFL team might be able to build a college type option offence around him but it would be an odd sight for 3 down football.
See, to me the interesting question about Tebow is whether or not an NFL team could build a college-type option offense around him and succeed. Everybody just assumes that it can't work in the NFL, but nobody has ever really tried it long-term, so we don't really know.
Whether or not Tebow can ever develop as a passer to the point that he can succeed in a more traditional NFL-type offense is a lot less interesting question.
I just don't think a full-time option offense is possible in the NFL. The defensive players are just too fast and strong and it would be much harder to stretch the field horizontally like good college option attacks do.
The other problem is better coaching and more time to practice; there is so little practice time during the season in college that adjusting to an option attack in a week is very hard. In the NFL you have more time to prepare and walkthrough things, so it is easier to make bigger adjustments between opponents in-season.
Lastly NFL defenders are really big and really fast and really strong and really mean. The more hits your QB takes, the greater the chance he doesn't get back up. If you ran an option offense you would have to have 5-6 low-to-medium paid option type QBs on your roster, though that wouldn't be all that hard since you would have no competition for them.
All that's the conventional wisdom, but is the conventional wisdom correct?
The Wildcat and its derivatives are viable in situational doses. I don't like it, and the right defensive personnel can snuff it out in nothing flat (see: Ravens, Baltimore) but it can work in the right situation several times a game.
Unfortunately, the Jets Rex Ryan didn't want to use Tebow in the same manner they used Brad Smith, but for wholly different reasons.
We've seen what happens to mobile QBs who take lots of hits. Vick, McNabb, Griffin... even the great Steve Young had a shortened career on account of getting blown the fuck up.
At any rate, we've seen what happens when these gimmick college offences meet top-tier NFL defences: They lose.
Hey Neil--
QuoteBolstering perhaps the greatest remaining need on their roster, the Ravens have agreed with left tackle Bryant McKinnie to a two-year contract that carries a maximum value of $7 million.
The deal includes an undisclosed signing bonus, incentive clauses and workout bonuses, according to a source.
By agreeing to terms with McKinnie, the Ravens can leave Kelechi Osemele at left guard, where he lined up during the playoffs. Without McKinnie, the Ravens were planning to evaluate Osemele as their potential starting left tackle.
Instead, McKinnie and the defending Super Bowl champions hammered out a contract days after the un restricted free agent visited and drew offers from the San Diego Chargers and Miami Dolphins. McKinnie took physicals with both teams and posted photographs during both visits.
The former Minnesota Vikings Pro Bowl blocker also fielded a preliminary inquiry from the Dallas Cowboys, but remaining with the Ravens was his preference all along.
"We worked very hard to get him back there," said Michael George, McKinnie's agent. "Bryant had offers from other teams. In the end, this was the best situation for him. He's real happy. I know they are."
McKinnie, 33, started every game in the playoffs after being replaced at left tackle during the regular season by Michael Oher. With McKinnie protecting his blind side and Oher shifting over to right tackle, quarterback Joe Flacco threw 11 touchdown passes and zero interceptions during the postseason.
The Ravens will bring back four of five starters from the offensive line that thrived during the playoffs when they averaged 410.3 yards of total offense per game. The only starter not returning is six-time Pro Bowl center Matt Birk, who retired in February. Gino Gradkowski slated to replace him.
The Ravens allowed just six sacks in four playoff games after giving up 35 sacks during the regular season.
Oher appears pleased that McKinnie is returning, writing to him on Twitter: "Glad you back bro."
Wide receiver Torrey Smith also reacted to the news, tweeting: "Welcome back Bryant McKinnie. Well, you never really left."
McKinnie has battled conditioning and weight issues and reported late to training camp last summer after saying he slipped and hurt his back at his South Florida home. He didn't intially pass the Ravens' mandatory conditioning test, but he got in better shape as the season went on.
McKinnie was contacted by the Chicago Bears when free agency started. However, they quickly reached a deal with former New Orleans Saints and Towson offensive tackle Jermon Bushrod to become their new left tackle.
Nice. I was looking for them to bring him back, seeing as they didn't do much for the line in the draft. Considering that all the haters were acting like the sky was falling two months ago, I would say this team is looking reloaded and ready to contend again. The only loss that hasn't been addressed to some degree is Boldin.
Way I see it, the defense got much faster. And even with McKinnie, the OL suddenly became one of the youngest in the league.
In any case, they'll be fun to watch.
re: Bouldin; I think they have a couple of fine underneath talents from the draft and their UDFA signings. They picked up a lot of raw talent off the street. The blocking TE from Maryland and Gerrard Sheppard, the kid from WAIT FOR IT Towson may be an answer. 6'2", 211, runs a 4.58, has awesome hands. And that kid from Ole Miss that played basketball for them is another TE option at 6'7" and 240lbs.
I don't know what they're going to do with Steedman, the Army option QB, but he's a great athlete and they'll find something for him.
There's no doubt that physically Brown is an upgrade on Ray, even if nobody can replace Ray's mind, heart and mouth. And the wags are always talking about how the Ravens lost their two starters, but they forget that Ellerbe was actually McClain's backup. And Jameel is back in the weightroom now, seems like his spinal injury is healing well.
I guess we'll see what happens with Boldin's replacement. I'm intrigued by that TE/FB they got from Harvard. Obviously he's not the pure lead blocker that Leach is, but he's supposed to have super soft hands to go with his toughness. Mind you, Leach has made some pretty good catches for a eight yards before getting chopped down by a defender, but he's 31 years old.
Steedman could probably make the practice squad. Heaven knows it wouldn't hurt to have an option guy to practice against. Although Tyrod could run that. I know that the team likes Taylor, but I don't really know why. The only time we saw him last year, we was stinking the place up.
Leach could wind up being a casualty, but I think that would be a mistake.
I'm surprised Ed hasn't said anything about his white boy from Ohio State yet.
They keep saying that they'd consider keeping two fullbacks. Maybe play the Harvard Polack at TE. Bajema is pretty vulnerable, it seems to me.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2013, 11:22:42 PM
Leach could wind up being a casualty
:(
E: Well at least he got a ring though. That dude is a pretty awesome fullback.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 02, 2013, 11:22:42 PM
Leach could wind up being a casualty, but I think that would be a mistake.
I'm surprised Ed hasn't said anything about his white boy from Ohio State yet.
I've been busy. And you'll like John Simon. If he can transition to linebacker.
You know, I feel bad for all those Ravens players I loved who never got to enjoy a Superbowl. Not so much Kyle Boller, but rather guys who really contributed to making the team great, but never quite got there that year. Guys like Todd Heap, who struggled for years as the only guy on the team who could catch a ball. Jarret Johnson, who was such a devastating runstopper and playmaker. Kelly Gregg, a smaller-looking guy who had great technique and heart. Derrick Mason, who I credit with starting the idea that the offence should have some pride.
Mason played in a super bowl for Tennessee didn't he?
One yard shy.
Quote from: sbr on May 03, 2013, 08:03:21 AM
Mason played in a super bowl for Tennessee didn't he?
Yeah, he was a young guy on that team doing punt returns and the like.
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Somebody will sign him. He's not capable of being a full time QB, but he's certainly capable of more than a single sneak attempt up the middle that was called offsides anyway.
Heaven forbid he had accomplished anything and proven Rex wrong for sticking with Sanchez.
Lots of media speculation (not sure if based on anything substantive) about Tebow coming to the CFL. Apparently the Alouettes hold his rights.
I was reading though they only offered to let him compete to be Calvillos backup... I guess they could move his rights to Toronto :nelson:
Well, yeah. It's not as if Tebow is a proven pro QB.
But if you think about it that is actually a hell of an offer. Montreal is a perennial favourite, Calvillo a certain hall of famer. Th chance to learn from him would be valuable.
Plus Calvillo is 40. He's not going to be playing much longer.
*If* Tim Tebow was serious about wanting to be a professional quarterback, that would be his chance to do it.
Only if he has exhausted any possible chance of a meaningful pro career.
Interesting. The Texans are letting Collin Klein have a shot at playing QB during the rookie minicamp. It seems he's been working with Jake Plummer, of all people, and they're wanting to see if he's made any progress.
He'll probably still end up as a TE, if anything, but hey maybe he really has gotten better.
There are very few people* around that are able to play quarterback at a very high level (definitely less than 32 IMO) and ANY chance to find one is worth taking. That said I imagine Klein will play TE or something for a year or two then fade away.
*Though a guy like Kurt Warner shows that there may be more than we know, they just don't ever get a shot at showing it.
So is Titus Young just the perfect addition for the bungles or what?!?
Holy crap Young was arrested twice in 15 hours?
I thought Cliff Harris' 3 times in 9 days was bad. :lol:
Niners sign deal so new stadium will be Levi's Stadium.
Quote from: sbr on May 08, 2013, 06:00:24 PM
Holy crap Young was arrested twice in 15 hours?
I thought Cliff Harris' 3 times in 9 days was bad. :lol:
Young decided to best that record too!
Titus Young's behavior is looking less criminal and more clinical. There is something definitely wrong upstairs.
Well, he's gonna be pretty much untouchable now.
At least through the plexiglass for visitation Wednesdays and Sundays.
What did he do now?
QuoteSAN CLEMENTE, Calif. -- Authorities say former Detroit Lions wide receiver Titus Young has been arrested in California for the third time in a week.
Orange County Sheriff's spokesman Lt. Joe Balicki says the 23-year-old Young was arrested late Friday in San Clemente for allegedly breaking into a home.
Balicki says Young fought with deputies after a foot chase. He has been charged with attempted burglary, assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest. He is in custody Sunday on $75,000 bail.
"There was a brief struggle," Balicki said, according to the Detroit News. "He wanted to fight with the deputies. They ended up subduing him."
Young also was arrested last Sunday in Riverside County on suspicion of driving under the influence, then was arrested again the same day for trying to take his car from a tow yard.
The Lions waived the troubled Young on Feb. 4. A second-round draft pick in 2011, Young was disciplined multiple times last season and was told to stay away from the Lions' facility because he intentionally lined up wrong in a Week 14 loss to the Green Bay Packers.
During his time with Detroit, Young also was sent home by the team on three different occasions -- once for punching teammate Louis Delmas during an offseason workout program, then twice for repeated insubordinate behavior.
Young was claimed off waivers by the St. Louis Rams but ultimately released 10 days later.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 13, 2013, 05:59:20 AM
Titus Young's behavior is looking less criminal and more clinical. There is something definitely wrong upstairs.
Indeed, which hopefully for his sake means he can get help.
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 13, 2013, 05:59:20 AM
Titus Young's behavior is looking less criminal and more clinical. There is something definitely wrong upstairs.
Indeed, which hopefully for his sake means he can get help.
:lol: Help for the mentally unstable? Not until he shoots up an kindergarten or movie theater.
Rolando McClain retired from the NFL today. :lol:
As Preston put it in the Sun: the Ravens blew it on this one. They went out and signed a knucklehead who remained a knucklehead. At this point, we don't know why McClain retired at age 23, and to be honest, I'm afraid to ask. I really don't want to know, and I'm just glad he is out of here.
At least he decided to do it now, and not week 3 of training camp. Enjoy prison, Rolando.
I do believe BA called that one, no?
Not so fast my friend, on the McClain retirement.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/15/mcclain-could-be-back/
Interesting take, but who knows if it'll stick. He sounds broke in the head.
Oh, for sure. I would be surprised if he turned his shit around and came back, but it was an interesting theory.
I met Andrew Luck today. He's doing a good job of growing facial hair on other places apart from his neck. Like the front of his chin. Maybe he'll be OK?
He's gonna surpass Unitas as greatest Colt qb evah!
Quote from: sbr on May 15, 2013, 09:03:48 PM
Not so fast my friend, on the McClain retirement.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/15/mcclain-could-be-back/
QuoteLinebacker Rolando McClain, 23, has gotten married, been arrested twice, been cut by the lowly Oakland Raiders, then signed by the champion Baltimore Ravens and has now retired.
That's a busy life for most people. McClain has managed to do all of that since the beginning of January.
On Wednesday, one of the more bizarre careers in NFL history ended, at least for now, with McClain telling Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome that he was done.
"Rolando let me know that he plans to retire from the NFL," Newsome said in a release from the Ravens.
Holy shit, Chuck Muncie died. 60 years old.
All that cocaine abuse in the 80s finally tackled his heart.
:(
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 16, 2013, 07:14:37 AM
Holy shit, Chuck Muncie died. 60 years old.
All that cocaine abuse in the 80s finally tackled his heart.
:(
Yarp.
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Quote from: sbr on May 15, 2013, 09:03:48 PM
Not so fast my friend, on the McClain retirement.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/15/mcclain-could-be-back/
QuoteLinebacker Rolando McClain, 23, has gotten married, been arrested twice, been cut by the lowly Oakland Raiders, then signed by the champion Baltimore Ravens and has now retired.
That's a busy life for most people. McClain has managed to do all of that since the beginning of January.
On Wednesday, one of the more bizarre careers in NFL history ended, at least for now, with McClain telling Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome that he was done.
"Rolando let me know that he plans to retire from the NFL," Newsome said in a release from the Ravens.
I love how that article tries to put some of the blame on the Raiders franchise. It also seems to neglect the fact that his efforts at "change" after being married preceded his most recent arrests. Fuck that guy and fuck Yahoo sports even more. Biggest collection of hacks and garbage in one site online. <_<
Also: Josh Cribbs to Oakland! :cheers:
Bleacher report is the biggest collection of hacks. :glare:
So ESPN is doing a countdown of the greatest coaches in NFL history: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9272249/roots-nfl-coaching-trees-run-deep
Um...it is Vince Lombardi. The countdown to #1 has all the suspense of figuring out who the top home run hitter in Braves history is.
Quote from: Valmy on May 22, 2013, 09:11:11 AM
So ESPN is doing a countdown of the greatest coaches in NFL history: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9272249/roots-nfl-coaching-trees-run-deep
Um...it is Vince Lombardi.
Well, duh.
QuoteThe countdown to #1 has all the suspense of figuring out who the top home run hitter in Braves history is.
I'm sure there's some tard out there fighting a Twitter war for Chipper Jones. HE JUST HAS TO BE AGED MORE
Quote from: Valmy on May 22, 2013, 09:11:11 AM
So ESPN is doing a countdown of the greatest coaches in NFL history: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9272249/roots-nfl-coaching-trees-run-deep
Um...it is Vince Lombardi. The countdown to #1 has all the suspense of figuring out who the top home run hitter in Braves history is.
Yeah, the real suspense is seeing how they arrange guys like Shula, Belichick, Noll, Madden, Parcells, Landry and Walsh. And that's not especially suspenseful.
Brian Urlacher retired today.
Crabtree fucked his Achilles up.
Yep :(
He'll be missed, but it's not like they don't have quality options, either.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 22, 2013, 06:39:23 PM
He'll be missed, but it's not like they don't have quality options, either.
Well hopefully Jenkins from last year takes this opportunity to step up, what sucks is Manningham and Williams both coming back from serious knee injuries so Boldin is only healthy WR.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 22, 2013, 06:39:23 PM
He'll be missed, but it's not like they don't have quality options, either.
Yeah, they have options. They just drafted AJ Jenkins last year, Manningham is coming back, and Boldin can take over a game if other players can draw off some coverage. That's at least two, maybe three good options. The touts are saying that they should get Randy Moss on the phone ASAP, but I'm not so sure. It seems to me that Boldin has the aging receiver angle covered, and unlike Moss he'll fight like a lion for every ball thrown in his general direction.
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Crabtree fucked his Achilles up.
:nelson:
It's okay, the Seahawks will be fielding CFL team since everyone else will be suspended for PED use.
Looks like Joe Flacco's been working hard since the Super Bowl; packed on 7 pounds in the weight room, showed up at the first OTA yesterday at 252 lbs.
With Ed Reed and Ray Ray gone, looks like Elvis Dumervil has already stepped in as team drill instructor and chew-your-ass-out training camp motivator.
Quote from: katmai on May 22, 2013, 11:04:47 PM
It's okay, the Seahawks will be fielding CFL team since everyone else will be suspended for PED use.
It hurts because it's true. :(
The Seahawks should probably take the ritalin dispenser out of the locker room.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 23, 2013, 09:51:18 AM
Looks like Joe Flacco's been working hard since the Super Bowl; packed on 7 pounds in the weight room, showed up at the first OTA yesterday at 252 lbs.
With Ed Reed and Ray Ray gone, looks like Elvis Dumervil has already stepped in as team drill instructor and chew-your-ass-out training camp motivator.
I was thinking he looked a little bigger in his interviews. I guess he had such a good time brushing off Broncos trying to sack him in the divisional round that he's decided to take a page out of Roethlisberger's game. That's a good role for Dumervil, and one I was a bit concerned about. Sizzle is a leader, but not the kind of guy who's going to be getting guys to grind even harder in camp. Ngata is too soft-spoken to be that guy.
I keep seeing Urlacher getting described as a first-ballot hall of famer, but I'm not so sure. I could see the argument that he belongs in the HoF, but with no championship I don't think it's quite as cut and dried.
Flacco's agent shows why people hate 1) agents, and 2) lawyers.
QuoteRavens make 'dumb' move in delaying Flacco negotiations, his agent tells newspaper
On March 4, agent Joe Linta and the Ravens finalized a six-year, $120.6 million contract extension for Joe Flacco, making the quarterback the highest paid player in the history of the NFL.
Nearly three months later, Linta is still taking his victory lap.
The agent told USA Today that the extension talks broke down last August because of a disagreement on $1 million in non-guaranteed base salary in the final year of the proposed six-year extension. That prompted both sides to put off the negotiations until after the 2012-13 season, when Flacco's value was at his highest following his MVP performance in Super Bowl XLVII.
"I've never in my life seen a dumber move," Linta told the newspaper. "I guess people can say, 'Well, Joe was dumb, too.' It could have been [dumb], God forbid, if he got hurt. But $1 million to [Ravens owner] Steve Bisciotti six years from now? That's like $100 bucks for you or me today.''
Linta told the paper that the Ravens' decision to walk away from the talks before this past season cost the team "$35 million."
This offseason, the Ravens have undergone an unprecedented roster turnover for a Super Bowl champion, losing eight key contributors from last year's team. Ray Lewis and Matt Birk, a Linta client, both retired. However, the Ravens, who were up against the salary cap, opted not to re-sign free agents Dannell Ellerbe, Paul Kruger, Cary Williams and Ed Reed. They also released hard-hitting safety Bernard Pollard and then traded Flacco's favorite target, Anquan Boldin, for a draft pick in a cost-cutting move.
Some attributed the heavy losses to the Flacco's deal, though the quarterback has a modest $6.8 million salary cap figure in 2013.
"I have no sympathy. None," Linta said.
Flacco's deal, which was finalized just over a month after he led the Ravens to a victory in Super Bowl XLVII and completed one of the best postseasons ever by a quarterback, included a $29 million signing bonus and a $62 million payout through the first three years of the deal. It was the biggest contract in NFL history for less than two months as quarterback Aaron Rodgers reached agreement on a new deal with the Green Bay Packers that surpassed the Flacco pact.
Because Flacco's cap number surges to $28.55 million by 2016, the extension is essentially a three-year deal.
"I'm not apologetic for the fact this is really a three-year deal, there's no way they can afford $29 million a couple of years from now,'' Linta told USA Today. "I'm not apologetic. They chose to walk away.''
Linta had said that the Flacco negotiations, done primarily with Ravens vice president of football administration Pat Moriarty, were amicable and professional. However, his latest comments will surely get the attention of team officials.
Linta currently represents four Ravens: Flacco, rookie fullback Kyle Juszczyk, center Gino Gradkowski and guard Antoine McClain.
Well, he's a pretty small-time agent who only represents a couple of guys, and he doesn't have to deal with the Ravens for another three years thanks to Flacco's deal, so I guess he figures he can shoot his mouth off. Still, it seems like a pretty dumb thing to say. It's not like everybody in the Ravens front office doesn't know that they could have saved themselves some money by doing the deal before Flacco became a playoff hero, but hindsight is 20/20.
It's kinda funny how the NFL offseason has become Listmania, it seems. Between the Top 100 players of 2013, the Top 100 plays of 2012 and the Top 20 games of 2012, they're listing heavily.
So what do you guys think or care if at all that pushing back the draft a few more weeks into May? And starting FA at the time of the combine so early march?
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So what do you guys think or care if at all that pushing back the draft a few more weeks into May? And starting FA at the time of the combine so early march?
I would assume that it's a test, to see how the offseason would work if they were to push the Superbowl back to President's Day and extend the regular season. That's been something they've been thinking about for years now.
Quote from: katmai on May 27, 2013, 01:46:24 PM
So what do you guys think or care if at all that pushing back the draft a few more weeks into May? And starting FA at the time of the combine so early march?
I think pushing the draft back is a bad idea, at least from an OTA and conditioning perspective.
Has Kyle Boller retired?
Quote from: Neil on May 30, 2013, 06:05:44 PM
Has Kyle Boller retired?
Yeah. Last year, I think.
E: *Early* last year, I meant to say.
No QB in Flex, adding TE is good.
I like the 0.5 points for receptions.
Individual defensive players can be fun, but I prefer just a defensive/special teams like usual.
Digging the changes. Orton's Orphans are going to kick some ass this year. And then get knocked out in the first round again. :face:
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No QB in Flex, adding TE is good. The mob has spoketh!
I like the 0.5 points for receptions.
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Individual defensive players can be fun, but I prefer just a defensive/special teams like usual.
Yeah as much as i like the idea of individual def players means bumping up the reserves as well.
I'm not a fan of individual defensive players. We'd need more rounds in the draft, and that already goes long enough.
Today is the day the Ravens visit the White House. Two of CdM's favorite things, together at last.
I wonder who'll show up dressed like they're going to a volleyball game.
While the Ravens were at the White House--except for a few, notably Bernard Pollard, who was sulking somewhere and being a dick--they quietly signed Darryl Smith from the Jaguars. A nice, solid veteran contributor at MLB.
The New England Patriots will sign Tim Tebow, league sources told ESPN.
The Patriots are signing Tebow, who is expected to participate in the team's mandatory minicamp Tuesday, as a quarterback.
The move reunites Tebow with Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, who was the Denver Broncos' head coach when Denver traded into the first round to draft the Heisman Trophy winner in 2010.
LOLOLOLOL
A guy who thinks he's God coaching a guy who mouthbreathers think is the Second Coming. Awesome.
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/9365517/tim-tebow-signs-new-england-patriots-wears-no-5
QuoteFOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- Tim Tebow said Tuesday it was "an honor" to be able to play for Bill Belichick and learn from Tom Brady, saying he expects his time with the New England Patriots "to be a lot of fun."
Terms of Tebow's contract, which was officially signed Tuesday, were not disclosed, but league sources told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter that Tebow signed a two-year deal that includes no guaranteed money.
As he was walking off the practice field, where he wore a red (non-contact) jersey and worked with the team's quarterbacks, Tebow made a short statement to the dozens of reporters waiting for him but did not take any questions.
"First and foremost, I just want to thank the Patriots for giving me an opportunity," he said. "I'm very thankful. It's such an honor to be a Patriot and play for coach [Bill] Belichick and coach [Josh] McDaniels, and learn under Tom [Brady] and be a part of this great franchise and very successful franchise. I found out first hand; lost to them several times.
"It's going to be a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to working hard every single day and getting a lot better and learning under some great people. That's all I got. Thank you all so much and God bless. I'm sure we'll be talking more soon."
Belichick kept his remarks on Tebow brief earlier Tuesday, calling the newly-signed quarterback, who will wear No. 5, "a talented player that is smart and works hard."
Belichick was non-committal on what position Tebow would play -- sources tell ESPN he'll be at quarterback -- and smiled at one point during his news conference at mandatory minicamp when asked if he was concerned about the media crush that surrounds Tebow.
"Hopefully there will be more than at the games on Sunday," Belichick cracked, after saying the media attention had no impact on his decision to sign Tebow.
But the Tebow topic was one that Belichick -- who didn't mention Tebow in his opening remarks -- was clearly not interested in elaborating on, as he repeated simple answers such as "we'll see" multiple times.
By the 14th straight Tebow question, Belichick said: "I think I've covered it. Anything else?"
A teammate of Tebow's for three seasons at the University of Florida, Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez said Tuesday he was surprised to be reunited with his college quarterback in the NFL.
"Once I heard the information I was a little shocked and I was happy," Hernandez said. "Definitely was a surprise for probably most of us."
Tebow participated in Tuesday's practice solely as a quarterback, but Hernandez said he was unsure of Tebow's role going forward.
"There's a reason why he's here. I actually don't now the reason yet but we'll see," Hernandez said. "I'm sure he'll be doing a few things here. That's up to Bill Belichick."
Former NFL quarterback Chris Weinke, who has been working with Tebow over the past month to tweak his throwing mechanics, told USA Today Sports that he believes Tebow can play quarterback in the NFL.
"Like I told Tim when I found out [Monday] that he signed, 'You're locked and loaded, ready to go,'" he told the newspaper.
The move reunites Tebow with Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, who was the Broncos' head coach when Denver traded into the first round to draft the Heisman Trophy winner in 2010.
Belichick often has spoken with admiration of Tebow's versatility, intelligence and character. Belichick covets what he has described as tough, smart, versatile football players.
Tebow's Fit With Pats?
The Patriots were one of the league's most run-heavy teams in short-yardage situations last year, but didn't always have great success. Could Bill Belichick pull Tom Brady in some of these situations for Tim Tebow in 2013?
Pats' 2012 rushing ranks,
3 yards or less to go
Category Stat NFL Rank
Rush pct. 67.7 2nd
Yards per rush 2.9 20th
1st down pct. 65.5 12th
Source: ESPN Stats and Information
Last month, Yahoo! Sports cited an "organizational source" as saying Belichick disliked Tebow as a player and there was "no chance" of him landing in New England. Belichick dismissed that notion last week, telling ESPNBoston.com that the report was completely untrue.
When asked about his relationship with Tebow, Belichick said, "Yeah, I like Tim. I have a lot of respect for Tim."
Ironically, Tebow's last NFL start came in Denver's blowout playoff loss in Foxborough to Brady and the Patriots following the 2011 season.
Tebow, 25, figures to compete with Ryan Mallett for a backup job behind Brady. The Patriots also released reserve quarterback Mike Kafka on Monday.
One of the NFL's most polarizing players, Tebow was released by the New York Jets in late April following a disappointing season as a backup to Mark Sanchez.
"It's not a surprise to me that Tim would be picked up, obviously as I've said before, tremendous young man, very competitive and I look forward to competing against him," Jets coach Rex Ryan said Tuesday.
Asked if he was curious how Belichick planned to use Tebow, Ryan said, "Not really. Nope. If they want to replace Brady with him, that's fine."
The Jets traded a pair of draft picks to Denver in the March 2012 deal to acquire Tebow but failed to establish a consistent role in the offense for the versatile quarterback, who attempted just eight passes, rushed for 102 yards on 32 carries and was used mostly to protect the punter.
Tebow helped the Broncos win the AFC West in 2011 and beat Pittsburgh in a wild-card playoff game before being traded to New York when Denver signed Peyton Manning.
Tebow's NFL career appeared over this offseason when the Jets couldn't trade him at draft time and wound up cutting the left-handed quarterback, who won the 2007 Heisman Trophy at Florida. There even was speculation he couldn't get an offer from any Canadian Football League teams.
Tebow has been criticized for his throwing motion but has said he wants to play quarterback, not switch positions. Still, the Patriots could need help at tight end after Rob Gronkowski underwent a fourth operation for a broken forearm and faces back surgery.
Belichick's love of versatility had him use wide receivers Troy Brown, Julian Edelman and Matthew Slater at defensive back when injuries hit the secondary.
Belichick also has been willing to gamble on players discarded by other teams. Some have succeeded, such as wide receivers Wes Welker and Randy Moss and running back Danny Woodhead. Some haven't, including wide receiver Chad Johnson and defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth.
The media circus that surrounded Tebow at Florida, Denver and with the Jets could be minimized by Belichick, who keeps a tight lid on players' interactions with reporters.
Vonta Leach got released. I'm pretty sure the best fullback in football will be able to find a job. I guess that kid from Harvard might just make the team after all.
Quote from: Neil on June 11, 2013, 03:03:32 PM
Vonta Leach got released. I'm pretty sure the best fullback in football will be able to find a job. I guess that kid from Harvard might just make the team after all.
Hmmm, where is Seedy anyways?
ESPN is reporting that Leach (via his agent) is saying he wants to go back to Houston. The Texans already have two FBs on the roster though, and I'm not sure they have the scratch for him anyway.
Dunno if it's official yet, but Hard Knocks will be back in Cincy this year :)
Which is interesting. It seems that the teams that do Hard Knocks tend to be the full-retard teams who are more about showing off than winning games. I was under the impression that the Bengals were trying to transition into a more serious organization, the kind of organization that would never sign both Chad Johnson and TO to the same roster. But then this happens...
They had a good season last time they had it.
Just hope they get my good side :sleep:
Quote from: derspiess on June 14, 2013, 08:54:52 PM
They had a good season last time they had it.
Just hope they get my good side :sleep:
:zipped: Can they film you from Cleveland.
Quote from: katmai on June 14, 2013, 09:08:08 PM
:zipped: Can they film you from Cleveland.
Damn, katmai dropped a "Tootsie" reference. An entire generation just got whiffed.
And then the Jets sign Kellen Winslow Jr, because they seemed to be short on loudmouths who had played well once upon a time, but prefer shooting their mouth off to playing football.
Looks like Jake Ballard is the last starting New England Tight End.
Heh so this doesn't look good:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/aaron-hernandez-destroyed-home-security-system-phone-sources/story?id=19445131#.UcOI3nVDv8t
QuotePolice plan to go back to the home of New England Patriot's tight end Aaron Hernandez today with another warrant based on evidence that "he destroyed his home security system,'' an investigator close to the case told ABC News.
The investigator, and other law enforcement sources, confirmed that the security system - which included video surveillance - was smashed intentionally.
And a cell phone used by Hernandez was handed over to investigators "in pieces'' by his attorneys, the sources said.
Police also want to know why a team of house cleaners were hired on Monday to scrub Hernandez's mansion, sources told ABC News.
What, video involving Patriots mysteriously destroyed? That never happens.
:w00t:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 20, 2013, 06:17:05 PM
What, video involving Patriots mysteriously destroyed? That never happens.
:XD:
Waiting for the Timmay spin :)
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 20, 2013, 06:17:05 PM
What, video involving Patriots mysteriously destroyed? That never happens.
:lol:
Dude has been arrested and charged with murder and some other stuff. Also got cut by the Patriots.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/22533357/patriots-te-aaron-hernandez-taken-into-custody-by-police
Tim Tebow: starting TE?
Maybe he has a future as an ESPN analyst.
I told you guys letting Hispanics into the NFL was a bad idea.
Quote from: derspiess on June 26, 2013, 08:23:06 PM
I told you guys letting Hispanics into the NFL was a bad idea.
He had his papers.
Quote from: derspiess on June 26, 2013, 08:23:06 PM
I told you guys letting Hispanics into the NFL was a bad idea.
:mellow:
Hay preguntas?
The talking heads sure seem convinced that the evidence is pretty devastating against him.
Yeah...he destroyed all his video of him with the victim from his surveillance system...but not his neighbor's. LULZ
Yeah he's done. Hey, the upside is that it isn't Texas, so the death penalty isn't in play.
Quote from: Tim:bleeding:
Teach him to catch, and that dude could be a pretty good TE. Heh. Or maybe not.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 26, 2013, 09:29:50 PM
Yeah...he destroyed all his video of him with the victim from his surveillance system...but not his neighbor's. LULZ
Should have followed Ray Rays shinning example.
I'm most surprised that he lived in N. Atteleboro though. I thought it was just another post-industrial northeastern town.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 27, 2013, 02:36:21 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 26, 2013, 09:29:50 PM
Yeah...he destroyed all his video of him with the victim from his surveillance system...but not his neighbor's. LULZ
Should have followed Ray Rays shinning example.
Explain.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 27, 2013, 05:53:29 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 27, 2013, 02:36:21 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 26, 2013, 09:29:50 PM
Yeah...he destroyed all his video of him with the victim from his surveillance system...but not his neighbor's. LULZ
Should have followed Ray Rays shinning example.
Explain.
Have cronies willing to take the fall.
Lulz, your tears of fandom disappointment stain the ground like so many Hernandez gunshot victims.
QuoteSeveral sources told ABC News that Hernandez is being eyed in a drive-by shooting that occurred last summer.
On July 15, 2012 a car was ambushed with a barrage of bullets at the corner of Shawmut Avenue and Herald Street in Boston's South End. According to a Boston Police report, when officers responded at 2 a.m. they "located three individuals suffering from what appeared to be gunshot wounds. Two of the victims were pronounced deceased on scene."
One of the dead men was found behind the wheel, cops reported. The other was in the front passenger seat. The third victim was treated at Tufts Medical Center in Boston. The slain men were later identified as Daniel Jorge Correia de Abreu, 29, and Safiro Teixeira Furtado, 28, both of Dorchester, Mass.
He'll take those bodies. Gotta build your rep for when you go inside.
Still, it's interesting to note that at least a couple of former Patriots guys are wasting no time in calling Hernandez out as a thug who didn't fit in the locker room. Also, it seems like he won't be the #77 player in the NFL this year after all.
Quote
Full account of the evidence against Hernandez
All of this was from his arraignment yesterday.
The charges:
Murder
Carrying a firearm without a license
Possession of a large capacity firearm x2
Possession of a firearm without and FID card x2
The evidence:
Victim found 1/2 mile from Hernandez's home w/ numerous gunshot wounds
5 .45 caliber shells found at the scene, fired from a semi-auto weapon, based on the locations and distance between them.
Victim was not robbed, had wallet, keys and phone.
Keys were to a rental car, registered to Hernandez.
Phone contained text messages between the victim and Hernandez, within hours of the murder.
Victim's sister said her brother left at 2:30 AM in a silver Nissan Altima with three people inside
Hernandez had been renting a Silver Nissan Altima
Hernandez had known the victim for about a year, The victims girlfriend is the sister of Hernandez's Fiance
The police went to question Hernandez, Who didn't answer the door. a squad car was placed outside. Eventually Hernandez came out, and told the cops he knew they were they and that he had been watching them on his surveillance system
A warrant was issued to seize surveillance footage from Hernandez's home.
Hernandez had recently installed a 14 camera system with cameras inside and out.
Upon reviewing the footage, they noticed that the first 6-8 hours of footage after the time of the murder was missing.
at 9:02 PM Hernandez texted a friend from out of state "please make it back"
9:05 he texted the victim, indicating he wanted to come by and get together with him
9:35 he texted the same out of state friend "get your ass up here" then at 10:23 "hurry your ass up"
The man he was texting and one other showed up at Hernandez's home, seen on surveillance footage
Shortly after they arrive, Hernandez is seen with a firearm in his home on the surveillance system says "he is upset that he can't trust anyone anymore"
the three left Hernandez's home at 1:12 AM in the silver Nissan Altima, captured on surveillance, phone records and cell tower
the went from Hernandez's home to route 95, headed south towards (? couldn't understand) they turned around and went north. the cell phone tower tracked their movement to a gas station off route 128
at 2:10AM Hernandez bought Gas, Bubbalicious blue cotton candy gum, and black and milds which are used for smoking marijuana (the prosecutor seems to be mistaken about common blunt cigars but oh well)
Next they went to the victims home, at 2:32 am Hernandez sent a text "we're here" to the victim, this is when the victims sister saw him leave with them, Hernandez was driving
They drove back to North Attleboro, this is corroborated by some random surveillance cameras and route was determined by time and distance traveled.
during the ride, Hernandez had a conversation with the victim indicating he was upset with him. The two had gone to a club together Friday night.
he said some things happened that night and he wasn't sure if he could trust the victim, one of them was that the victim had spoken to some people He had troubles with, and he was mad about it.
At 3:07 AM the victim sent a text to his sister "did you see who I am with" no response he texted again at 3:11 AM "Hello?"
at 3:19 am his sister replied "who?" at 3:22 the victim texted back "NFL" then 1 minute later "Just so you know"
at the time of these texts, the car is seen on surveillance cameras in the area of the murder site/Hernandez's home
Surveillance cameras show the vehicle driving down the road to the murder site at 3:23 AM
between 3:23 and 3:27 am workers nearby hear multiple gunshots
cameras pick up the vehicle along the route between the murder site and Hernandez's home at 3:27 and 3:28 AM.
Hernandez's own Surveillance picks sees him arriving back home at 3:29 AM
Police confirm it is only a 2 minute drive.
autopsy found that all evidence was consistent with the victim being murdered where he was found. In other words, he wasn't dumped. Also consistent Time of death to the time the car was there.
two through and through wounds to the victim's chest. Police returned to the scene and dug where the victim was, they found the bullets, indicating the victim was on the ground when he was shot. Both bullets were .45 caliber, consistent with the casings found. All fired from the same unknown gun
at 3:30 AM Hernandez is seen with his companions in his driveway, one of whom has a gun.
they go inside. Surveillance shows Hernandez walking around with a gun in his hand.
all three go to the basement. Surveillance cameras shut off
later that day, 5:30 PM Hernandez and his companions return the Nissan Altima to the rental agency, Hernandez offers the attendant Blue Bubbalicious.
one of the side mirrors is broken on the car, footage of the vehicle earlier in the night suggest it wasn't broken when he left Boston, he tells the rental agency he didn't even notice it. The evidence being that it was broken sometime between leaving Boston and arriving back at home.
He rents another car and returns home, companions leave.
At the rental agency, a piece of bubbalicious and a shell casing were found, attendant threw them away. When questioned, she told investigators about it, they found it in the dumpster, Shell casing matched to the casings found at the scene.
Tire impressions at the murder scene right next to the body were consistent with a front wheel drive vehicle (altima is FWD)
Investigators checked out the rental car. Tire treads matched those at the crime scene. Dirt found on the car also matched the crime scene
They found a .22 nearby in a search of everywhere between Hernandez's home and the murder site. Hernandez a month prior had been involved an altercation in providence Rhode island. He had someone with him who was seen to place a gun under a car. This man matches the description of one of his companions on the night of the murder.
The gun under the car in Providence was traced to a Florida gun store. The 22 found between Hernandez's home and the murder site was from the same store.
further search warrant of Hernandez's home ordered. They found 22 ammo, but no 22 gun. They also found a large capacity 7.62 Hungarian semi auto rifle, and a fully loaded 32 round magazine . Hernandez's prints on it, he doesn't have the correct paperwork to own it.
Not recovered was the Black semi auto handgun seen in Hernandez's hand before and after the murder. the second individuals gun not found either.
Hernandez's girlfriend was spoken to by police, she was cooperating until a call from Hernandez telling her not to. She then stopped talking.
the victim had defensive wounds and seemed to attempt to stop the bullets with his arms.
there also seems to be a sealed affadavit, so it looks like someone talked (especially since they know the convo with the victim in the car)
Another Man seems to have been arrested in connection with this case. Carlos Ortiz
EDIT: Hernandez reportedly being looked into in a double homicide from last year No clue about the validity, it's an unnamed source on a fox news affiliate so take it with a grain of salt.
EDIT2: Full video of the arraignment
EDIT 3: Boston Globe reports victim may have been killed because he knew details of the double shooting Hernandez is being looked into for.
EDIT4: Bail appeal hearing going on right now. Live video on NFL Network and ESPN
EDIT 5: apparently yesterday a warrant was issued for a condo in Hernandez's name. 3 boxes of .45 caliber ammo. Hummer registered to Hernandez outside the condo contained a magazine for a .45 handgun. Both the gun in the video seen in Hernandez's hand and the murder weapon were Glocks.
Prosecutor: doesn't want to disclose motive that hasn't already been made public, but there is more than he is saying now. Repeats motive from yesterdays arraignment. victim and defendant had an argument last Friday.
again references conversation in the car with the victim on the night of the murder. Hernandez indicates he is angry with the victim for talking to people Hernandez doesn't like at the club. Doesn't think he can trust him. "Hernandez had the motive and he was the one in control"
Sites this image (I assume it's this image) as an example of what the murder weapon would look like, and as proof he had one.
Judge: evidence circumstantial for sure, but VERY VERY strong.
BAIL DENIED
EDIT 6: Police impound an SUV that may connect Hernandez to 2012 double murder
since this looks like the Hernandez thread of the day, if you have any breaking news message it to me and I will put it in the OP
Thought some of you would like to read all of the evidence laid out against him.
http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1h6euh/full_account_of_the_evidence_against_hernandez/
Carlos Ortiz huh? Wtf Timmy
Ortiz...
All the images at the bottom are on the website linked, I cant be assed to put them all in for you guys. \o/
Probably not one of my relatives. :unsure:
That;s what I would say too. :ph34r:
Tim is probably guilty. Do we have any evidence that he didn't help Hernandez pull the trigger?
Why did the Patriots pick up Tim Tebow?
Because Aaron Hernandez needed a white bronco.
-_-
Pfft, that joke sucks.
If only they had signed Tebow a year ago, he would've had a chance to minister to Hernandez properly. Now, it'll have to wait for Wednesdays and Saturdays from 2pm to 4pm except when lock down protocols are in place.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 02, 2013, 06:58:20 AM
Pfft, that joke sucks.
If only they had signed Tebow a year ago, he would've had a chance to minister to Hernandez properly. Now, it'll have to wait for Wednesdays and Saturdays from 2pm to 4pm except when lock down protocols are in place.
They both played for the Gators at the same time didn't they?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 02, 2013, 07:02:16 AM
They both played for the Gators at the same time didn't they?
Shit, that's right. Guess Aaron wasn't paying attention. :lol:
Wonder what this guy did to piss Aaron off.
Quote from: derspiess on July 02, 2013, 08:24:37 AM
Wonder what this guy did to piss Aaron off.
Snitchin' I bet. Snitches get stitches.
Funniest shit you will read today.
Baffoe: Let's Mock People Attracted To Aaron Hernandez (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/07/01/baffoe-lets-mock-people-attracted-to-aaron-hernandez/)
:lol:
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2013/06/bernard-pollard-was-the-last-person-to-tackle-aaron-hernandez.html
Bernard Pollard owns.
E: Oh I just saw this today:
Shit it would help if I actually posted it before clicking the button.
QuoteJune 16
9:02 p.m.: Hernandez texts a friend out of state, saying "please make it back."
9:05: Hernandez texts Lloyd that he wants to get together.
9:35: Hernandez texts a friend in Connecticut that says "get your ass up here."
10:23: Hernandez texts the same friend, "Hurry your ass up."
McCauley indicated that Hernandez recently had 14 surveillance cameras installed in his home. Video from the cameras show two men arriving at Hernandez's home in North Attleboro. Later footage shows Hernandez with a firearm. At one point, Hernandez says to one of the men that he "can't trust anyone anymore," according to McCauley.
June 17
1:12 a.m.: The three men depart Hernandez's home in a silver Nissan Altima, according to surveillance video, cell phone towers and cell phone records.
Cell towers track their movement south on Interstate 95. At some point, they turn around, then head north before stopping at a gas station on Route 128.
2:10: Hernandez buys gas, a pack of Bubblicious gum and rolling papers.
2:32: The silver Altima arrives at Lloyd's house. Hernandez sends a text message: "We're here."
Lloyd's sister watches Odin Lloyd leave the house and get into the silver Altima. Neighborhood surveillance video shows Hernandez arriving in the neighborhood as well.
Surveillance video tracks the car around Boston.
McCauley explains that during ride back toward North Attleboro, Hernandez tells Lloyd that when they were at a club, Rumor, the previous Friday night, "certain things upset him," including Lloyd talking to some people Hernandez had "troubles" with. McCauley did not indicate how he obtained this information.
Prosecution says the text indicates the "temperature" in the car.
3:07: Lloyd texts his sister, "Did you see who I was with?"
McCauley suggests that this indicates the "temperature" in the car.
Lloyd does not receive a response.
3:11: Lloyd texts his sister again, "Hello."
3:19: Lloyd's sister responds, "My phone was dead. Who?"
3:22: Lloyd responds, "NFL."
3:23: Lloyd: "Just so you know."
By this point, the four men inside the silver Altima have gotten off I-95 on Route 152, near Hernandez's home, McCauley says records show.
3:23 a.m.: McCauley says surveillance video shows the Altima at a fork in the road. McCauley indicates that one way leads to Hernandez's home, the other down a gravel road where Lloyd's body would later be found. Video shows Hernandez's car going down the gravel road behind a group of industrial buildings.
3:23-3:27: People working the overnight in the industrial park hear gunshots.
3:27: Silver Altima is viewed coming out of gravel road.
3:29: Video at Hernandez's home shows the silver Altima pulling into his driveway.
McCauley states that the distance between where Lloyd's body was found and Hernandez's home is a 2-minute drive.
The crime scene:
• According to McCauley, police found five shell casings – three at Lloyd's feet, two some distance away.
• An autopsy showed two wounds to the chest – one near the left nipple, the other near the right nipple.
• Lloyd did not appear to be robbed, as he still had his wallet, phone and keys.
McCauley explained that Hernandez returned the Altima to a rental car agency, with the driver's-side mirror missing. A worker at rental agency discovered a shell casing under the driver's seat, next to a piece of Bubblicious gum. The shell casing and the gum were tossed into a garbage bin, where police later found them.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on July 02, 2013, 06:37:43 PM
:lol:
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2013/06/bernard-pollard-was-the-last-person-to-tackle-aaron-hernandez.html
Related:
http://www.thedrawplay.com/?p=727
QuoteTim Tebow tried to break up Aaron Hernandez violent bar fight in 2007
Future Heisman QB Tebow tried to make peace between Hernandez, bouncer at Gainesville bar before police were called
Tim Tebow tried to stop Aaron Hernandez from getting into a violent bar fight in 2007 while both were football players at the University of Florida, according to Gainesville police records.
Hernandez, then a 17-year-old freshman, punched a bouncer in the head causing a broken ear drum on April 28, 2007, according to the police report.
When a police officer could not find Hernandez at the scene of the altercation around 1 a.m., the report states he interviewed Tebow about it.
The report stated the following:
A waitress at The Swamp Restaurant allegedly brought Hernandez two "alcoholic drinks," which he consumed but refused to pay for. That's when Hernandez got into a fight with a bouncer at the bar.
Hernandez told police [bouncer Michael] Taphorn got in his face and began yelling at him. As Taphorn turned to walk away, Hernandez punched him in the side of the head.
Taphorn declined medical treatment but the next day doctors discovered his right ear drum had burst and the injury would take four to six weeks to heal.
When the officer could not find Hernandez immediately following the incident, he interviewed Tebow and Shaun Young.
"Tebow stated that he witnessed the dispute," the officer wrote. "... Tebow stated that he went over to try to help resolve the conflict."
Tebow went on to say he urged Hernandez to leave peacefully and tried to make arrangements to pay the bill.
Two hours later, another officer found Hernandez and spoke with him about the incident. Tebow was present during the interview.
The officer wrote Hernandez did not appear to be intoxicated and was, "very polite and professional."
Hernandez told the officer both he and Tebow had already called then-UF football coach Urban Meyer and informed him about the incident.
A day later, the investigating officer told Hernandez's attorney, Huntley Johnson, he would not be pursuing charges in connection with alcohol served to minors at the restaurant, but he wrote, "it would be noted in the report so the coaches could handle it internally."
Gainesville police recommended Hernandez be charged with a felony, but it is unclear how the case was resolved because all of Hernandez's other juvenile records are sealed.
Tebow developed a close bond with Hernandez early in his career with the Gators, hosting Hernandez during his official recruiting visit before Hernandez signed on to play for the Gators.
Hernandez's criminal history as an adult was limited to primarily traffic citations during his time in Gainesville, but more details have since emerged about his problems following rules in Gainvesille.
He was questioned in connection with a shooting, although Hernandez was never charged following the incident.
Hernandez also confirmed to reporters that he failed at least one drug test while at Florida, hurting his NFL Draft stock.
"Leading up the draft, I provided every interested NFL team with all the information asked of me about my football and personal life," Hernandez told reporters in April 2010. "I was as candid as possible about everything, including my one single violation of the team's substance abuse testing policy over the course of three years at the University of Florida. . . . I regret what happened, learned from it and will make better decisions going forward. I am proud of my career as a Gator and I couldn't be more excited about entering the NFL and representing the New England Patriots well."
A UF athletics spokesman told the Sentinel Tuesday it does not dispute Hernandez's previous public statement he failed a drug test while he was at the school.
Hernandez and Tebow were supposed to reunited this offseason when Tebow joined Hernandez on the Patriots roster.
However, Hernandez, now 23, has been charged with first-degree murder of semi-pro football player Odin Lloyd. Michael Fee, Hernandez's attorney, entered a not guilty plea on his client's behalf.
Shortly after Hernandez's arrest, the Patriots cut all ties with the promising tight end.
Hernandez also is being investigated in connection with a double homicide in Boston. The Boston Globe reported investigators suspect Lloyd may have been targeted because he had information about Hernandez's connection to the double shooting in Boston.
I posted this just for Berkut.
Berkut, would you like additional information in order to contribute to his charities?
QuoteRay Lewis embarks on climb of Mt. Kilimanjaro today
Former Ravens linebacker in Tanzania to raise money and awareness for clean water projects in East Africa
Retired Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis is embarking today on his climb of Mount Kilimanjaro, the highest point of Africa at an elevation of 19,340 feet.
Lewis is joined on the trip by Doug Pitt, the brother of actor Brad Pitt and a goodwill ambassador in Tanzania, and retired Pro Bowl Chicago Bears defensive lineman Tommie Harris.
Lewis is in Arusha, Tanzania to raise money and awareness about the need for clean water in East Africa. The climb is scheduled to run from today through July 8.
Prior to the climb, Lewis and the group have been giving hearing aids to children in a nearby village as part of the TackleKili mission for World Serve International and Pros for Africa.
Via the @TackleKili Twitter account, Lewis is shown outfiting children with the hearing aids.
On his Twitter account today, Lewis posted: "To give someone hearing for the 1st time in their life is Life changing."
Lewis, 38, a two-time NFL Defensive Player of the Year who retired after winning his second Super Bowl with the Ravens, now works for ESPN as a football analyst. He issued a statement last month about his involvement in the climb.
"In one month, I will climb Mt. Kilimanjaro in Tanzania to raise money and awareness for clean water projects in East Africa," Lewis wrote. "I am so FIRED UP for this adventure, but until then, I need your help to bring clean water wells to thousands of children and families. Show your support by following my TackleKili journey, spreading the word, and donating to TackleKili."
Meanwhile, 49ers linebackers climb no such heights...
QuoteFormer Ravens defensive lineman Lamar Divens was allegedly assaulted by San Francisco 49ers linebacker Ahmad Brooks.
Following a June 8 dispute outside of Brooks' home where Divens urged an intoxicated Brooks not to drive and refused to give him his car keys, Brooks allegedly hit Divens three times in the head with a beer bottle and punched him the face, according to the San Jose Mercury News, which cited court documents.
As a result of the confrontation, Divens was allegedly left with a bloody face and needed three stitches to repair the damage.
The 6-foot-3, 340-pound Divens played for the Ravens from 2008 to 2010 after going undrafted out of Tennessee State, appearing in five games and registering no statistics.
Divens initially didn't want to press charges, but has reportedly changed his mind.
Now, the Santa Clara district attorney is contemplating going forward with an assault charge against Brooks, who was signed to a six-year, $44.5 million contract last year that included $17.5 million in guaranteed money.
According to the newspaper, prosecutors filed an application for an arrest warrant on a felony assault with great bodily harm charge. If convicted, Brooks could face a maximum sentence of four years in jail. However, prosecutors are debating whether it should be a misdemeanor charge rather than a felony or if it should be pursued at all, according to the newspaper.
Per the report, Brooks was too drunk to drive with Divens operating his vehicle. After arriving at Brooks' home and the linebacker demanded his keys, Divens "pretended to chuck them onto the grass and then started to hand them to him."
That was when Brooks allegedly hit Divens with the beer bottle twice before reportedly asking Divens: "Do I need to get my [expletive] gun?" and hit him again with the botle.
Brooks allegedly phoned a police officer and said he didn't want to press charges, stating: "He said this would be bad for both of their careers and that he just wanted to keep playing and that they had resolved it."
The 49ers have issued the following statement: "We are aware of the situation involving Ahmad Brooks. Out of respect for the legal process, the club will have no further comment at this time."
OH NOES MAH TOES
QuoteRetired Ravens inside linebacker Ray Lewis was unable to take part in a climb of Mount Kilimanjaro due to a foot injury and fever, according to the charitable organization, TackleKili.
Prior to the climb, TackleKili said that Lewis' fever spiked and his foot began swelling.
The mission organization for World Serve International and Pros for Africa, TackleKili said Lewis made the choice to not go forward with the climb due to his health.
"In the end, Ray's decision was to let the team move on without him, rather than hold them back or put himself in a position where an injury which requires surgery could become even more complicated," TackleKili said in a statement. "As always, his team backed his play. So while Ray refocused his service to this cause at a lower altitude, his team began the ascent on behalf of those in desperate need of clean water."
Lewis is in Tanzania to raise money and awareness about the need for clean water in East Africa.
Prior to the climb, Lewis and a philanthropic team have been providing hearing aids to children in a nearby village as part of the TackleKili mission.
"Ray stood all day yesterday doing a hearing mission," Frank Gamble posted during a video summarizing the climb. "Last night he had a bad night, fevered and really rough. So, this morning when he woke up, the foot was killing him, years of injuries and all of that. So, we're going to miss him.
"I just say goodbye to him and told him we love him. He made a significant contribution financially to provide safe water to people. Even though we're not going to have Ray, we're going to have plenty of wonderful people. We're really looking forward to seeing what we can do as a team to make it to the top."
The trip includes Doug Pitt, the brother of actor Brad Pitt and a goodwill ambassador in Tanzania, and retired Pro Bowl Chicago Bears defensive lineman Tommie Harris. The climb is expected to be done by Sunday.
After realizing he wouldn't be able to make the climb to the highest summit of Africa at an elevation of 19,340 feet due to his injury, Lewis commented on the video about his support of the people of Africa.
"The greatest thing we have in life is called opportunity," Lewis said. "It's what you do with opportunity that will actually leave a lasting legacy. This team we put together to go impact lives after lives and lives and to touch people that may never know our names, but will remember our legacy because of what we did to bring clean water to the motherland back to unfortunate people to give them a second opporutnity to say, 'You know what somebody thought about us even when we didn't have an opporutnity to think about ourselves.'
"They never think about themselves. They only think about the next day. This group has thought about other people. They put all their pains aside. We came together to make the world a better place. Lets bless people and get to the top of that mountain. Nothing can stop us. All things are possible."
QuotePeople always throw out weird stuff surrounding their death ("When I die I want blah blah blah") but you rarely see people follow through on it. Not Scott E. Entsminger, a Browns fan who died at the age of 55 on July 4.
Entsminger "was an accomplished musician, loved playing the guitar and was a member of the Old Fogies Band." He was also, per his obituary in the Columbus Dispatch, a "lifelong Cleveland Browns fan and season ticket holder."
The deceased wasn't just your average Browns fan: He apparently wrote a song each year about the Browns, which he sent to the team along with advice about how to run the organization.
And he was such a big Browns fan that the family encouraged everyone attending his funeral wear clothes supporting the team. But here's the real kicker -- he wanted his pallbearers to be Browns as well.
Why? Well ...
"He respectfully requests six Cleveland Browns pall bearers so the Browns can let him down one last time."
Oh, Browns. You even managed to get beat by the deceased.
:lol: Cleveland fans are something else. They're like Cubs fans, without silly concepts like hope. True fatalists.
Top 5 selling jerseys
1. Colin Kaepernick, 49ers (QB, No. 7)
2. Russell Wilson, Seahawks (QB, No. 3)
3. Robert Griffin III, Redskins (QB, No. 10)
4. Adrian Peterson, Vikings (RB, No. 28)
5. Peyton Manning, Broncos (QB, No. 18)
Quote from: katmai on July 19, 2013, 03:43:26 PM
Top 5 selling jerseys
1. Colin Kaepernick, 49ers (QB, No. 7)
Must be all those Aaron Hernandez fans looking for a positive jailhouse tattoo role model.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 08, 2013, 08:23:02 PM
:lol: Cleveland fans are something else. They're like Cubs fans, without silly concepts like hope. True fatalists.
Cubs fans, and I say this as an unabashed one, are true village idiots. Virtually all hope with virtually zero reason for it...other than playing the "it has to happen sometime" odds.
Quote from: katmai on July 19, 2013, 03:43:26 PM
2. Russell Wilson, Seahawks (QB, No. 3)
Me likey.
They really should make a SMOKIN JEHR CUTLEHR jersey, though. I'd buy that.
Ouch
QuoteThe Baltimore Ravens were hoping tight end Dennis Pitta could be a reliable possession receiver this season, filling a hole left when Anquan Boldin was traded to the San Francisco 49ers.
Those plans hit a snag when Pitta dislocated his hip in Saturday's practice.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 19, 2013, 04:28:00 PM
Quote from: katmai on July 19, 2013, 03:43:26 PM
Top 5 selling jerseys
1. Colin Kaepernick, 49ers (QB, No. 7)
Must be all those Aaron Hernandez fans looking for a positive jailhouse tattoo role model.
Half of them are scriptures, thats way beyond Jaillhouse.
Pitta down for most of the year? Disaster.
Quote from: katmai on July 27, 2013, 08:30:39 PM
Ouch
QuoteThe Baltimore Ravens were hoping tight end Dennis Pitta could be a reliable possession receiver this season, filling a hole left when Anquan Boldin was traded to the San Francisco 49ers.
Those plans hit a snag when Pitta dislocated his hip in Saturday's practice.
Next man up, Ed.
Yeah, well although Dickson is more athletic than Pitta (which is the whole reason that he was starting ever since Heap left town), he doesn't have the same sure hands. He made a couple of clutch grabs in the Superbowl, but how many passes did we see slip through his fingers the last couple of years?
Quote from: Neil on July 27, 2013, 11:11:18 PM
He made a couple of clutch grabs in the Superbowl, but how many passes did we see slip through his fingers the last couple of years?
Than comes with not getting enough snaps and seeing the ball enough; that's why QBs work the ball early to receivers to get them into a rhythm early, and with working the primary routes Pitta had as opposed to the safety valve routes, I think he'll do fine as the full-timer. But it's all on him in the end.
I've been a no-show at the pre-camp Bengals pep rally as well as both days of practice thus far. I may try to sneak a peek at tomorrow's Bungles practice. We may meet some of the Hard Knocks guys at the new brewery in Over-the-Rhine tomorrow night as well.
Eagles WR Jeremy macklin tore his ACL today.
Curious to see how Chip Kelly manged that.
QuoteOXNARD, CA—According to sources inside the Dallas Cowboys training staff, quarterback Tony Romo returned to the practice field Thursday for the first time since undergoing surgery to remove a painful ovarian cyst. "Tony appears to have responded well to the procedure, and given the rate at which his ovarian cyst was growing, I'm glad we got in there when we did," said Dr. Peter Baskin, who removed the four inch fluid-filled sac after the signal-caller reported constant abdominal discomfort during voluntary OTA's. "If we had waited any longer, it very well could have spread to his uterus. Hopefully Tony can still have children." Baskin told reporters that there will most likely be some scarring along the fallopian tubes, but Romo's range of motion should remained unaffected.
QuoteAs his newest tight end, Visanthe Shiancoe, ran extra routes on an adjacent field, Ravens coach John Harbaugh stepped behind a microphone and confirmed that the team's worst fears were true on tight end Dennis Pitta.
"Dennis is out for the year," Harbaugh said. "That's the type of thing that he's not going to be able to come back from this year. There's enough damage in there to preclude that."
:hmm:
Ravens resigned Vonta Leach to a 2-year deal.
It's so fucked up, let's fuck it up some more!
QuotePro Bowl format no longer AFC vs. NFC; kickoffs removed
In attempt to attract more television viewers to the Pro Bowl and also make the game more appealing its players, the NFL and the players union on Wednesday announced major changes to spice up the game's format.
The NFL has eliminated the traditional AFC-NFC format in favor of one in which two fantasy football champions from NFL.com and two captains will each pick 43 players, regardless of which conference those players play in, out the pool of players voted into the game. Hall of Famers Jerry Rice and Deion Sanders will be the captains for this season's Pro Bowl, which will be played in Honolulu on Jan. 26. The Pro Bowl draft will be held four days earlier.
"It sounds interesting. It sounds like a lot of fun," Ravens coach John Harbaugh said. "I would just say that if you're a coach out there, you have to cross your fingers and hope your guy picks the best players."
Pro Bowl voting has also been changed, as conference affiliation will no longer be considered in the selection process. For example, that means four or more of the six quarterbacks selected could be from the AFC.
The changes were proposed by NFL Players Association president and former Ravens cornerback Domonique Foxworth (Maryland).
Fullback Vonta Leach was one of six Ravens selected to last season's Pro Bowl but didn't participate because the team advanced to the Super Bowl. He found out about the changes to the Pro Bowl on Wednesday evening when a reporter asked him about the possibility of having to block a teammate such as outside linebacker Terrell Suggs in the all-star game.
"I guess when the time comes we'll see about that," Leach said. "I guess they're trying to make it more entertaining and get more fans to watch and be excited about it. We'll see."
Another noteworthy tweak to the game was the elimination of kickoffs as a safety measure. Harbaugh, who was once the special teams coach for the NFC in the Pro Bowl, said some of the marquee players he coached weren't exactly thrilled about being asked to cover kicks.
Now, "the special teams coach is going to bring his family out there and have a nice vacation," he said.
With kickoffs scrapped, the NFL also eliminated the return specialist Pro Bowl roster spot and replaced it with an additional roster spot at defensive back.
Ravens wide receiver Jacoby Jones was selected to the game in that capacity a season ago, but he didn't seem to be too bummed out when he heard about that change.
"I'd rather go to the Super Bowl, anyway," Jones said, shrugging his shoulders.
Other changes included adding a two-minute warning to the first and third quarters and possession changes at the end of each quarter.
I've totally got it.
Load the player picks into Madden and televise that.
It's still gonna suck, because no one will give it their all for fear of injury.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 01, 2013, 03:24:18 AM
I've totally got it.
Load the player picks into Madden and televise that.
That might actually be a better alternative. :hmm:
Quote from: Syt on August 01, 2013, 03:25:18 AM
That might actually be a better alternative. :hmm:
Players could take turns operating the controls. :)
Actually, they should probably just broadcast the NES Tecmo Bowl instead (yes, that's a thing).
Quote from: Syt on August 01, 2013, 03:53:11 AM
Actually, they should probably just broadcast the NES Tecmo Bowl instead (yes, that's a thing).
They really couldn't.
The Pro Bowl used to be sorta decent back when the players were still poor enough that the prize money for winning was still motivation. But that has not been true since about 1989.
Quote from: Valmy on August 01, 2013, 08:01:14 AM
The Pro Bowl used to be sorta decent back when the players were still poor enough that the prize money for winning was still motivation. But that has not been true since about 1989.
Yeah, back when winning ten grand was a big deal, you'd see some effort. These days, you win fifty grand and meanwhile you get Michael Strahan paying $200,000 in fines for skipping training camp and calling it the best money he's ever spent. I'm sure the longsnappers and some of the younger breakout guys are happy, but the real stars wipe their asses with fifty thousand.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind if the Pro Bowl teams were made up of nothing but rookies. But it would be kind of tough to fill out the rosters, and very few franchises would want their 1st round rookie draft picks playing.
I'd fill one team up with WE tards like timmay, and let Bernard Pollard hit 'em in the knees.
Funny that Seedy's article doesn't mention how the NHL has been doing the 'fantasy draft' all-star game for the last couple years.
:hmm:
FUNNY HOW NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT CANADIAN CURLING IN PADS IN AN NFL THREAD
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 01, 2013, 09:47:29 AM
FUNNY HOW NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT CANADIAN CURLING IN PADS IN AN NFL THREAD
Well then maybe you should - since it's a directly comparable. :cool:
Honestly, the 'fantasy draft' show is more interesting that the all-star game itself. Lots of dynamics about who wants to play with who, who their peers consider to be more worthy. There's also the drama of 'who is going to be the last one picked' - which could be very awkward, but the NHL solved by giving the last man standing a brand new car.
ESPN's hysterical this morning because someone used a no-no word:
QuoteA video of Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Riley Cooper uttering a racial slur at a Kenny Chesney concert surfaced Wednesday.
In the video, Cooper vowed to "fight every n-----" at the July concert in Philadelphia. Cooper issued an apology Wednesday afternoon.
Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie said Cooper has been fined by the team.
"We are shocked and appalled by Riley Cooper's words," Lurie said in a statement. "This sort of behavior or attitude from anyone has no role in a civil society. He has accepted responsibility for his words and his actions. He has been fined for this incident."
The NFL also issued a statement on Cooper: "The NFL stands for diversity and inclusion. Comments like this are wrong, offensive, and unacceptable."
Eagles quarterback Michael Vick accepted Cooper's apology.
Cooper, 25, has 46 catches for 679 yards and five touchdowns in 40 career games. He is expected to assume a larger role in the Eagles' offense this year after the season-ending injury to Jeremy Maclin.
"I am so ashamed and disgusted with myself," Cooper said in a statement. "I want to apologize. I have been offensive. I have apologized to my coach, to Jeffrey Lurie, to Howie Roseman and to my teammates. I owe an apology to the fans and to this community. I am so ashamed, but there are no excuses. What I did was wrong and I will accept the consequences."
Chesney reached out to ESPN senior writer LZ Granderson about the incident and said: "All I do is get off my bus and try to give the fans all the heart and passion I got. That's where it starts and stops; that's all I think about.
"I'm as shocked as anyone to see the video of Riley Cooper that's started circulating on the internet. I don't believe in discrimination in any form, and I think using language like that is not only unacceptable, it is hateful beyond words," Chesney told Granderson.
"I don't know everything about every player who comes to our shows. We invite the teams in the places where we play, and I've found the guys from the NFL are some of the most inspiring people I meet all year. They give back to their communities, work with children, hospitals and various charities, as well as raising awesome families.
"To judge an entire audience by one loud mouth isn't fair ... not to the NFL, not to the city of Philadelphia and that awesome crowd, not to my band and crew and certainly not to me, who believes music is about bringing people together for friendship and forgetting about the things in life that bring you down. The music I make is about living life, loving life and loving everybody -- no matter who they are. That's how I was raised, and what someone else does or says doesn't reflect who I am or what my fans stand for."
Watching NFL live, Riley Cooper is apparently Hitler.
He may not be Hitler but he's got to be about the stupidest redneck ever born.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 01, 2013, 03:16:33 PM
He may not be Hitler but he's got to be about the stupidest redneck ever born.
:rolleyes:
Jon Ogden is a class act. Really well spoken. Nice shout-out to Art Modell.
It feels nice to see that line of Ravens greats there to honour the first Raven.
Anyone want to make some book on Riley Cooper's chances of being with the Eagles on opening day? In the NFL?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 03, 2013, 07:17:16 PM
Anyone want to make some book on Riley Cooper's chances of being with the Eagles on opening day? In the NFL?
He won't get cut, can't guarantee he is on the active roster that day.
Quote from: Neil on August 03, 2013, 06:58:13 PM
Jon Ogden is a class act. Really well spoken. Nice shout-out to Art Modell.
It feels nice to see that line of Ravens greats there to honour the first Raven.
Yeah, he has been nothing but a pillar of the franchise and the community, and the very definition of what a professional athlete should be. Definitely the best Raven ever, and only fitting he's their first HOFer.
LOL, "well spoken".
Yeah I don't like the new Dolphins logo. :mad:
You know, even though Cris Carter is a twat, I still got fired up for his speech.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 04, 2013, 07:36:36 PM
You know, even though Cris Carter is a twat, I still got fired up for his speech.
OSU stooge!
Art Donovan died.
It's going to be hillarious watching all the Cowboy-lovers in the media and on the internet predicting a Superbowl win after a preseason win.
That funeral's going to be bigger in this town than Johnny's was.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 04, 2013, 08:58:37 PM
That funeral's going to be bigger in this town than Johnny's was.
Seriously. Block out a week for it.
QuoteNovember 11, 2007
Art Donovan saw a lot of stuff during his 12 years in pro football, but as the grizzled Hall of Famer settled in to watch the Ravens' game Monday night, something flashed on the TV screen that gave him pause.
"It was a picture of four players getting ready for the game by having their nails polished," Donovan said, shaking his head in disbelief.
"I said to myself, 'This is the beginning of the end.' "
But that wouldn't keep Donovan, the former Baltimore Colts great, from watching the game. When you're stuck in a hospital bed, you take your entertainment any way you can get it.
"C'mon in," Donovan said, beckoning a visitor into his room at Good Samaritan Hospital, where he is recovering from a broken right leg.
Donovan, 83, represents "The Throwback" - to the days when athletes played for love of game, for less money and for their teammates.
Not surprisingly, his 1987 autobiography is titled Fatso: Football When Men Were Really Men.
"Welcome, Fatso," a sign on the wall read. On the sill sat a bouquet from Frank Gifford, the former New York Giants star whose team Donovan and the Colts defeated for NFL championships in 1958 and 1959.
Now on the mend, the five-time All-NFL defensive tackle prepared to watch the Ravens play the Pittsburgh Steelers on Monday Night Football, a weekly ritual for millions. Here sat Donovan, in a wheelchair - his bum leg propped up with a pillow, a cup of ice water at his side and a look of disgust on his face.
"What a disgrace, watching a game without a Schlitz," he muttered. "Some S.O.B. is going to pay for this."
So, how did you bust the leg, Fatso?
"Broke my femur on a cruise with my wife, in Italy," he said. "I'd walked back to my cabin after dinner with half a plate of spaghetti when I leaned in to open the door. Turns out it was already open so I fell flat on my face like something from the Keystone Kops.
"They drove me to an American hospital in Rome, 3 1/2 hours away. Road must've had 15,000 potholes. I almost bounced out of the ambulance.
"At the hospital, when they lifted me into the bed they put my head halfway through the wall and knocked me out. So I said, 'Don't touch me. If I'm going to die, it'll be in the United States, not in the Middle East somewhere.' "
A week later, Donovan was flown home to Baltimore for surgery. He said he would have kissed the ground if he could have.
"I swear to God, I was so happy as we neared the airport that I didn't care if we crashed, as long as it was on American soil."
Since he retired in 1962, Donovan has been a yarn-spinning emissary for football and the cherub-faced visage of Baltimore, his adopted hometown. For nearly half a century, the Bronx-born raconteur has delighted fans with tales of yore - as Donovan remembers them - and his spin on the game today.
Ten times, Donovan has appeared on David Letterman's late-night talk show.
These days, he watches most Ravens games on TV, attending one or two each season. A rabid fan, he isn't.
"I'm not like some guys who, if the Ravens lose, are ready to jump off the top of M&M Stadium," he said, confusing the name of the facility. "There are other things in life besides pro football."
On the tube, the game began in a driving rain, reminding Donovan of the worst conditions in which the Colts ever played.
"It's 1954 and we're facing the Giants in the rain in an exhibition game in Louisville," he said. "The circus had been there the week before and nobody had raked the field. So every time you slipped and fell, you came up with a pile of elephant dung."
The Colts' linemen found a use for it, Donovan said.
"We flipped it at the other team."
On the screen, a Steelers defender breaks up a pass and catches the old-timer's eye.
"That's a great player, the guy with the long hair," Donovan said. "What's his name?"
Troy Polamalu, Pittsburgh's Pro Bowl safety.
Three times, Donovan tried to pronounce Polamalu's name, then quit.
"I almost lost my [dental] bridge on that one," he said. "I'll call him Samson."
The Ravens trail 7-0.
On the Ravens' side, running back Willis McGahee carries the ball for a short gain, then peers toward the sideline as if he wanted a rest.
"Look at that!" Donovan exclaimed. "Every second play, he [McGahee] is looking over there, like, 'Can I come out now?'
"Stay in there!" Donovan hollered. "You're making $50,000 a carry!"
McGahee gets the ball again and fumbles. The Steelers recover.
Penalties mount quickly for the Ravens. Officials, Donovan said, have taken over the game:
"One guy throws a flag, and then all eight have to hold each others' hands for five minutes to discuss the call. Then one of them says, 'The guy was offsides.' What, he can't tell that right away?"
Pittsburgh leads 14-0.
Somehow, talk turns to players' helmets.
"Ours had only two bars in front," Donovan said of the 1950s headgear. "Helmets today must weigh 75 pounds. If I wore one of them, I'd run the 40-yard dash in about two weeks."
Would he like to have played nowadays? Donovan shook his head.
"I wouldn't have any fun," he said. "These guys, they're all in love with themselves.
"In my day, we made lasting friendships. Who did I hear from today? [Alex] Sandusky calls from Florida, [Ordell] Braase from Naples. Jimmy Mutscheller comes to see me," he said, rattling off names of old Baltimore Colts.
"(Center) Dick Szymanski, who lives in Florida, always calls when the doctor is here so the cheap S.O.B. can hang up and doesn't have to pay."
Donovan laughs, then stops. The leg hurts.
The Steelers score again and again.
"This is ridiculous," he said. "Geez, [Steve] McNair can't throw the ball. Turn the camera around. I'd rather watch the announcers."
A nurse named Kim brings Donovan a soda.
"You're missing one of the greatest games of all time," he tells her.
"The Ravens? I can't watch them because my [blood] pressure would go up and I'd wind up in the ER," Kim said.
Finally, with 4 1/2 minutes left and the Ravens trailing 38-7, Donovan can't take it anymore. The former Marine asks for a pain pill.
His evaluation of the Ravens' performance?
"I looked better than that falling into my cabin in Italy."
Nice read, Donovan was really something else.
Maybe you could PM Timmy and get some pointers on formatting your copy/paste articles.
Fuck you, shitbird, that's the board. I tried editing it 3 times, no dice. So go play in traffic.
Don't worry. I've saved you.
The problem was the Dick Szymanski was a 'Center' in square brackets, which is a tag. So I made him a '(Center)'.
Dumbass board. I want the old one back.
RIP Art :( I had the privilege of meeting him back in 1997. Hell of a player, hell of a man.
I remember him telling the story of the 1958 Championship Game. He said the coach gave the most inspirational speech he ever heard in a locker room but most of the team missed it because they were all 'in the head throwing up' they were so nervous.
Not what I would have expected from the tough guy Baltimore Colts of the 1950s :lol:
Quote from: sbr on August 05, 2013, 08:05:58 AM
Nice read, Donovan was really something else.
Yeah if you didn't love Donovan you are not a football fan.
Just learned that Dick Butkus is Lithuanian.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 06, 2013, 02:26:49 AM
Just learned that Dick Butkus is Lithuanian.
I think you meant to say "a demigod".
BTW, in other Bears news, my CutlerCrush continues unabated:
http://www.chicagobears.com/news/article-1/Coaches-pleased-with-Cutlers-progress-in-offense/b17396b5-c381-4885-b973-e64d1be46169
Give that guy a half-decent o-line and you will see some serious black magic from Chicago this season.
I dunno. It's hard to trust Cutler. He's like Romo.
It's hard to trust him because he has Down's syndrome.
Packers signed Vince Young :lol:
Quote from: katmai on August 06, 2013, 09:21:24 PM
Packers signed Vince Young :lol:
Ok Vince last last last change. Do Texas proud!
No shots of me on Hard Knocks tonight. Sorry ladies :(
They talked about James Harrison and Geno Atkins being badass, which is true. But the meanest mofo on the the defense is Vontaze Burfict. That dude is flat out scary.
Quote from: katmai on August 06, 2013, 09:21:24 PM
Packers signed Vince Young :lol:
That's just ridiculous. Then again, the Patriots signed Tebow, so it seems to me that the trend is for teams with good quarterbacks to sign bad quarterbacks in order to laugh at them.
The tuck rule is out!
Quote from: Neil on August 06, 2013, 08:46:18 PM
I dunno. It's hard to trust Cutler. He's like Romo.
Disagree, he's far superior to Romo.
Quote from: fhdz on August 08, 2013, 02:29:02 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 06, 2013, 08:46:18 PM
I dunno. It's hard to trust Cutler. He's like Romo.
Disagree, he's far superior to Romo.
:yeahright:
Cutler plays outside in the cold. Romo plays in a domo.
Cutler has won one more playoff game then Romo, that is about only way he's superior.
Romo is a homo.
Quote from: fhdz on August 08, 2013, 02:29:02 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 06, 2013, 08:46:18 PM
I dunno. It's hard to trust Cutler. He's like Romo.
Disagree, he's far superior to Romo.
In what way? They're both unreliable. They've both reigned in mediocrity over marque franchises. They both get crushed in the playoffs. The main difference between them is that Romo projects himself as an alright guy, while Cutler projects himself as a huge douchebag.
I know it's mostly against the Atlanta defensive #2's but Josh Johnson is looking awfully good. Like "give Andy Dalton a run for his money" good.
And I like the way our Estonian defensive end is pushing OTs back. He's gonna be good on special teams.
Ravens OL looks good, Chykie Brown is Tampa Bay's best offensive weapon. Ugh.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 08, 2013, 08:25:43 PM
Ravens OL looks good, Chykie Brown is Tampa Bay's best offensive weapon. Ugh.
I don't get to see the game until Monday, but I can believe that Chykie is a liability.
Asa Jackson's had a much better game in the backfield. Special teams has looked good; WR LaQuan Williams has a punt fumble recovery and a punt block TD on special teams and a receiving TD. Bobby Rainey is having a great game at RB, and that Polish fullback rookie has some hands coming out of the backfield. Shiancoe had some good catches, as did Dickson. Bryant McKinnie lost 15 pounds, and there's been no issues at center. The revamped DL and inside LBs have looked good, or Tampa Bay is really that bad. Ravens definitely have depth issues at CB, though.
Tyrod Taylor is Tyrod Taylor. Gack.
1st round draft pick Matt Elam? He only brought Peyton Hillis to a 60-to-0 cold stop. Kid's a banger.
Interesting piece just now; Coach Harbaugh took the whole team up to Gettysburg the other day, did the tour with the park rangers and some US Army types.
Quote from: Neil on August 08, 2013, 08:05:16 PM
In what way? They're both unreliable. They've both reigned in mediocrity over marque franchises. They both get crushed in the playoffs.
In both cases, it's pretty hard to argue that their respective o-lines haven't caused a *lot* of that.
QuoteThe main difference between them is that Romo projects himself as an alright guy, while Cutler projects himself as a huge douchebag.
*shrug* The other Bears love Cutler, and that's all that really matters. The "douchebag" thing has largely been conjured up by sports journalists; I'm surprised you're falling for it.
Isn't Asa Jackson suspended for eight games or something?
As for Cutler/Romo, even their ass offensive lines tie them together. They're the same guy.
The Seahawks looked good tonight. Beat the Chargers 31-10. Christine Michael was impressive.
With a name like Christine, he's gotta be tough.
Quote from: Neil on August 09, 2013, 11:09:48 AM
With a name like Christine, he's gotta be tough.
And he said: "Son, this world is rough
And if a man's gonna make it, he's gotta be tough
And I knew I wouldn't be there to help ya along.
So I give ya that name and I said goodbye
I knew you'd have to get tough or die
And it's the name that helped to make you strong."
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 08, 2013, 09:03:09 PM
Asa Jackson's had a much better game in the backfield. Special teams has looked good; WR LaQuan Williams has a punt fumble recovery and a punt block TD on special teams and a receiving TD. Bobby Rainey is having a great game at RB, and that Polish fullback rookie has some hands coming out of the backfield. Shiancoe had some good catches, as did Dickson. Bryant McKinnie lost 15 pounds, and there's been no issues at center. The revamped DL and inside LBs have looked good, or Tampa Bay is really that bad. Ravens definitely have depth issues at CB, though.
Tyrod Taylor is Tyrod Taylor. Gack.
1st round draft pick Matt Elam? He only brought Peyton Hillis to a 60-to-0 cold stop. Kid's a banger.
Interesting piece just now; Coach Harbaugh took the whole team up to Gettysburg the other day, did the tour with the park rangers and some US Army types.
Bucs didn't play their starting guards (their #1 and #3 talented linemen) amongst others kept out so don't look too deeply into it. Bucs have a lot of guys coming off of injuries and are being very careful with playing time so they probably will lose the first three playoff games with so much less playing time for starters. I was shocked they played Doug Martin at all first preseason game. :yuk:
Bears' first preseason game tonight. Let's see if the new-and-improved line makes a difference.
Do people really put stock into preseason games? Especially the first one?
Quote from: sbr on August 09, 2013, 06:10:40 PM
Do people really put stock into preseason games? Especially the first one?
ESPN puts stock in everything.
""Look Who's Back
The world champion Ravens picked up where they left off as the preseason shifted into high gear. ""
Is their headline about that game. :bowler:
Quote from: JacobL on August 09, 2013, 06:12:56 PM
Quote from: sbr on August 09, 2013, 06:10:40 PM
Do people really put stock into preseason games? Especially the first one?
ESPN puts stock in everything.
""Look Who's Back
The world champion Ravens picked up where they left off as the preseason shifted into high gear. ""
Is their headline about that game. :bowler:
Well the media has no choice in the matter as long as other people try to care about it.
Quote from: JacobL on August 09, 2013, 06:02:41 PM
I was shocked they played Doug Martin at all first preseason game. :yuk:
Kid's gotta get used to being hit again.
Dane Sanzenbacher gave me wood last night.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 09, 2013, 06:18:56 PM
Quote from: JacobL on August 09, 2013, 06:02:41 PM
I was shocked they played Doug Martin at all first preseason game. :yuk:
Kid's gotta get used to being hit again.
Ehhh he had 375 touches last year and iirc the 2nd most yards after contact, I think he is use to it.
Quote from: sbr on August 09, 2013, 06:13:58 PM
Quote from: JacobL on August 09, 2013, 06:12:56 PM
Quote from: sbr on August 09, 2013, 06:10:40 PM
Do people really put stock into preseason games? Especially the first one?
ESPN puts stock in everything.
""Look Who's Back
The world champion Ravens picked up where they left off as the preseason shifted into high gear. ""
Is their headline about that game. :bowler:
Well the media has no choice in the matter as long as other people try to care about it.
I'd say that's more of a chicken-and-egg scenario.
Quote from: sbr on August 09, 2013, 06:10:40 PM
Do people really put stock into preseason games? Especially the first one?
Stock? I haven't purchased any. I do want to see if the Bears' o-line looks snappier, though. :mellow:
I wish I had caught the browns preseason game, because I'd get to see a buzzed Bernie Kosar. 3 more chances!
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 09, 2013, 07:00:52 PM
I wish I had caught the browns preseason game, because I'd get to see a buzzed Bernie Kosar. 3 more chances!
:D
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 09, 2013, 07:00:52 PM
I wish I had caught the browns preseason game, because I'd get to see a buzzed Bernie Kosar. 3 more chances!
:lol: And God bless him, he's earned it.
The very first Ravens preseason game when they first came to town, the broadcasters had Art Modell come in the booth for a few plays in the 3rd quarter. Of course, he's had a few tumblers in him by then as well, and during one of the plays, the running back gets stuffed for a loss, and Art says live on the air "Gonna have to rip that fucking play out of the playbook tomorrow". :lol:
Plaxico Burress blew out his rotator cuff in practice, had surgery and will miss the entire season for the Steelheads. Looks like retirement time.
Quote from: Neil on August 08, 2013, 08:42:49 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 08, 2013, 08:25:43 PM
Ravens OL looks good, Chykie Brown is Tampa Bay's best offensive weapon. Ugh.
I don't get to see the game until Monday, but I can believe that Chykie is a liability.
NFL Network will have the game on at 10am EST Saturday, if you can TiVo it or something.
Dolphins new logo is indeed shitty. Larry Csonka is disappointed.
So is Jim Kiick.
Jim Mandich was unavailable for comment.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 09, 2013, 08:10:52 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 08, 2013, 08:42:49 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 08, 2013, 08:25:43 PM
Ravens OL looks good, Chykie Brown is Tampa Bay's best offensive weapon. Ugh.
I don't get to see the game until Monday, but I can believe that Chykie is a liability.
NFL Network will have the game on at 10am EST Saturday, if you can TiVo it or something.
Excellent. That should be right around the time I get up tomorrow morning.
Lulz, not even three minutes into the game, and Dallas forces a fumble on a Raiders QB sack. Oh, you whacky Raiders.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 09, 2013, 08:05:28 PM
Plaxico Burress blew out his rotator cuff in practice, had surgery and will miss the entire season for the Steelheads. Looks like retirement time.
Gotta make it into the Hall in the oddest given name ever category.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 09, 2013, 09:13:00 PM
Lulz, not even three minutes into the game, and Dallas forces a fumble on a Raiders QB sack. Oh, you whacky Raiders.
Damned NFL Network screwed the pooch on their scheduling. I got home from work to watch the game and I missed all of Flynn's playing time and most of the 1st string d's. Pryor is actually looking good, aside from the horrible redzone int throw/decision. The other 2 qb's are nice as well. They've got some solid building blocks it appears. I am: content.
Quote from: fhdz on August 09, 2013, 06:59:00 PM
Quote from: sbr on August 09, 2013, 06:10:40 PM
Do people really put stock into preseason games? Especially the first one?
Stock? I haven't purchased any. I do want to see if the Bears' o-line looks snappier, though. :mellow:
How can you tell anything about their o-line when 90% of the game you have guys you have never heard of and won't ever play in the NFL trying to block guys you have never heard of and won't ever play in the NFL?
I can understand caring a small amount about the 3rd game, when guys you have heard of will actually play into the second half. But the first game, after 10 days of camp? My cat throwing darts is probably a better predictor of what will happen this season than that.
Where the Raiders are, I'm simply looking at guys who appear to have some level of worth next year. Whether it bee good form, throwing motion, route running, hands, etc., I'm enjoying watching all levels of the depth chart compete.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 09, 2013, 08:15:13 PM
Dolphins new logo is indeed shitty. Larry Csonka is disappointed.
Yes, yes it is.
Kapernick only played one series so not going to read a damn thing into the 10-6 loss.
Brandon Stokley has come home to the Ravens. That's awesome.
Quote from: Neil on August 11, 2013, 09:02:59 AM
Brandon Stokley has come home to the Ravens. That's awesome.
He will promptly miss 10 weeks this season.
He'll promptly replace some of the production lost by Boldin and Pitta, and help lead the team back to glory.
Meh, he's snakebit in a Ravens uniform.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 11, 2013, 11:34:51 AM
Meh, he's snakebit in a Ravens uniform.
Didn't he break the 2000 touchdown drought? And I remember him catching a big pass in Superbowl XXXV.
The guy missed more games than he played in.
Well, that was a long time ago. He's been pretty solid for a lot of teams since then.
The Ravens signed Dallas Clark.
Ick.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 13, 2013, 01:10:27 AM
The Ravens signed Dallas Clark.
Ick.
With Pitta disabled and Dickson nicked up, something was needed there. You saw the first game, so you saw that Shiancoe's hands aren't exactly trustworthy.
It's like signing Communism.
Really? It's not like he's Kellen Winslow Jr. or something. He caught a lot of passes, won a championship and whined when he got trucked in a videogame commercial.
OK, the Madden commercial was funny. But still.
And the 'Dallas Clark is awesome' response when he whined about looking like a punk.
I know it's the preseason and all that, but should the Raiders offensive line be not blocking? If I were a Raiders fan, I would maybe consider the sweet, cold release of death.
The 2nd half is going better because New England is playing 3rd string guys but the first half was a disaster for the Tampa Bay defense.
Quote from: Neil on August 16, 2013, 08:20:34 PM
I know it's the preseason and all that, but should the Raiders offensive line be not blocking? If I were a Raiders fan, I would maybe consider the sweet, cold release of death.
They just lost their best player on the line to injury and have a lot of new pieces of mediocre quality to mesh into the line. Next year. That's all I can hope for.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on August 17, 2013, 01:54:55 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 16, 2013, 08:20:34 PM
I know it's the preseason and all that, but should the Raiders offensive line be not blocking? If I were a Raiders fan, I would maybe consider the sweet, cold release of death.
They just lost their best player on the line to injury and have a lot of new pieces of mediocre quality to mesh into the line. Next year. That's all I can hope for.
Well, that's too bad. Still, maybe they need to find someone else at left tackle. I was watching him, and he would just get totally burnt. And to make matters worse, he wouldn't even try and hold after getting beat. Flynn will be lucky to make it past Week 4.
I like the Miami all white (aside from the stripes obviously) uniforms, but the logo isn't getting any better the more I see it. Not growing on me at all.
The Texans backup QBs are both looking/looked good tonight. Nice battle there between Keenum and Yates.
I've got Hawks and Broncos on local tv here.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 17, 2013, 09:37:17 PM
The Texans backup QBs are both looking/looked good tonight. Nice battle there between Keenum and Yates.
Has Yates actually done anything since his tantalizing replacement of Schaub?
Wolfe of the Broncos broke his neck on the field.
Quote from: katmai on August 17, 2013, 09:45:45 PM
I've got Hawks and Broncos on local tv here.
Yeah. Sort of a slow start by the Donks, but the Seahawks look pretty good.
Wow 14pt swing there.
Quote from: katmai on August 17, 2013, 10:10:31 PM
Wow 14pt swing there.
Yeah, and that's the second time he's fumbled tonight. Maybe they should just keep him on returns, since he can't pass protect and can't get hit without coughing it up.
Quote from: Neil on August 17, 2013, 10:02:51 PM
Has Yates actually done anything since his tantalizing replacement of Schaub?
He's just...been the backup. I don't know how long he has left on his contract, but this will be his third year. He was a rookie when he came in for Schaub that year.
So, it seems that Dustin Keller's season ended on a devastating shot to the knee. The whole thing bent the wrong way, and it looks bad. Just about Theismann bad. But what's really got the radio talking heads going nuts is that the Texans safety says that he went low to avoid a fine. Lots of talk about how the safety rules are ruining guys lives and that sort of thing.
Honestly, I didn't realize that Keller was still in the league. He disappeared off my radar after Ray Lewis blew him up on a MNF 4th quarter play in 2011.
Quote from: Neil on August 18, 2013, 12:01:18 PM
But what's really got the radio talking heads going nuts is that the Texans safety says that he went low to avoid a fine. Lots of talk about how the safety rules are ruining guys lives and that sort of thing.
They need to get used to it. You want to enforce head shots and defenseless receivers? Expect to pick knees and legs up all over the field from now on.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 18, 2013, 12:25:43 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 18, 2013, 12:01:18 PM
But what's really got the radio talking heads going nuts is that the Texans safety says that he went low to avoid a fine. Lots of talk about how the safety rules are ruining guys lives and that sort of thing.
They need to get used to it. You want to enforce head shots and defenseless receivers? Expect to pick knees and legs up all over the field from now on.
Yeah, you don't think they'll start penalizing and fining for hitting defenseless receivers below the thigh?
What I'm saying is defenders are going to start going lower as a rule to avoid accidental contact.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 18, 2013, 12:39:25 PM
What I'm saying is defenders are going to start going lower as a rule to avoid accidental contact.
I agree with you. I just think that the NFL is going to take action to counter that, and that action will be stupid.
My loathing of Fox Sports NFL coverage has climbed to timmay hate levels.
I really can't watch that much FOX NFL coverage myself, and couldn't stand it when it was on CBS.
I'm surprised Howie hasn't twisted of Terry's head like a bottle cap after all these years.
I miss NBC's NFL stuff. Costas, MacGuire, Pete Axthelm. :(
You guys have really got to get a grip and stop watching pre-season games. The players don't care, so why do you?
Because it satisfies our football addiction.
Can't expect us to watch that shitty Canadian monstrosity.
Quote from: Barrister on August 18, 2013, 11:55:40 PM
You guys have really got to get a grip and stop watching pre-season games. The players don't care, so why do you?
:)
Quote from: Barrister on August 18, 2013, 11:55:40 PM
You guys have really got to get a grip and stop watching pre-season games. The players don't care, so why do you?
Lots of players care, a lot. Besides, it's a good way to get to know new players on your team, and there are still exciting plays to watch.
Quote from: Barrister on August 18, 2013, 11:55:40 PM
You guys have really got to get a grip and stop watching pre-season games. The players don't care, so why do you?
The NFL's not like the NHL, where the season lasts 11 months and 2 weeks and everybody but 2 teams go to the playoffs, man. It's junkie fix time.
Hell, right about now, I'll watch East Bumfuck State Teacher's College scrimmage the Little Sisters of the Poor in 7-on-7 drills.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 19, 2013, 07:39:27 AM
Hell, right about now, I'll watch East Bumfuck State Teacher's College scrimmage the Little Sisters of the Poor in 7-on-7 drills.
Both of those teams put a whipping on Wyoming last year.
Quote from: katmai on August 18, 2013, 11:57:34 PM
Because it satisfies our football addiction.
Can't expect us to watch that shitty Canadian monstrosity.
I can and do. :mad: It's real, meaningful football being played right now and you're ignoring it.
Well, real and meaningful apart from when the Blue Bombers are on the field. <_<
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 19, 2013, 07:39:27 AM
The NFL's not like the NHL, where the season lasts 11 months and 2 weeks and everybody but 2 teams go to the playoffs, man. It's junkie fix time.
Hell, right about now, I'll watch East Bumfuck State Teacher's College scrimmage the Little Sisters of the Poor in 7-on-7 drills.
Apparently my wife squeed with delight when she stumbled across the Giants game on Fox last night. I was at Starbucks at the time because we have no internet at the moment. :P
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on August 19, 2013, 11:58:59 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 19, 2013, 07:39:27 AM
The NFL's not like the NHL, where the season lasts 11 months and 2 weeks and everybody but 2 teams go to the playoffs, man. It's junkie fix time.
Hell, right about now, I'll watch East Bumfuck State Teacher's College scrimmage the Little Sisters of the Poor in 7-on-7 drills.
Apparently my wife squeed with delight when she stumbled across the Giants game on Fox last night. I was at Starbucks at the time because we have no internet at the moment. :P
My wife squeed too. Because it was the damn Colts. :glare:
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 19, 2013, 12:04:52 PM
My wife squeed too. Because it was the damn Colts. :glare:
She would have watched anything, but the fact t was the Giants was a double bonus.
:lol:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2398070/Retired-time-Ravens-Super-Bowl-champ-Ray-Lewis-takes-ride-Baltimore-lists-Maryland-mansion-1-1M.html
Stylin'!
That is one ugly ass home.
Hey now. :mad: There's not a single room with black and gold lamé trimmed furniture, or Egyptian pharaoh motifs! :mad:
I couldn't help but think "Damn that's a big house for only 1.1 mil"!
Stupid overpriced Canadian real estate. :(
I like the basement. It'd make a good library.
Rumor is Google is looking at picking up the Sunday Ticket from DirectV next year. There is also talk that it may become free on Youtube funded by ads. I find it hard to believe Google could do that considering the price is likely to be higher that the 1 billion DirectV paid last time, but we can always dream.
EDIT: Random Yahoo link. I wonder why teh by-line is from Portland?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/google-nfl-meet-sunday-ticket-182545157--nfl.html
QuotePORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- Google has been holding talks with the National Football League, raising speculation that the Internet monolith is seeking new inroads into television.
Other tech companies like Apple are reportedly in talks with cable providers to boost access to blockbuster television shows through their devices.
With Google sitting on a cash pile of $48 billion, the league's Sunday Ticket package is easily within its reach.
The contract is currently held by DirecTV, which pays about $1 billion annually for the rights. That contract, however, expires at the end of the 2014 season.
Earlier this year, Google Chief Financial Officer Patrick Pichette said ''it serves the shareholder best to actually have that strategic ability to pounce,'' when there is the opportunity to make a major acquisition.
The NFL confirmed its meetings with Google Wednesday, but declined to discuss the nature of those talks, as did Google.
''Members of our office meet often with innovative leaders in Silicon Valley and around the world,'' the NFL said in a statement. ''We are constantly looking for ways to make our game better on the field, in the stadium and for fans.''
The Sunday Ticket Package provides fans with access to most out-of-market NFL games not televised nationally on ESPN or on NBC.
Citi analyst Jason Bazinet believes that DirecTV is losing money on the deal, generating only about $725 million a year in revenue. He thinks a new contract would run about $1.5 billion if DirecTV were to make another go for it.
DirecTV has a market capitalization of about $32 billion and would be unlikely to remain for long in a bidding war with Google, which has a market capitalization nine times that.
Bazinet believes DirecTV investors would welcome the prospect of letting the NFL go.
Google recently unveiled a device called Chromecast, which is part of its attempt to make it easier for people to access Internet content on their TVs. Chromecast is a small stick roughly the same size as a thumb drive that can be plugged into an HDMI port on flat-panel TVs.
EDIT2: can't be arsed to fix formatting. Suck it.
Didn't know it last season, but you can get DirectTV through PlayStation now.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 21, 2013, 07:08:45 PM
Didn't know it last season, but you can get DirectTV through PlayStation now.
I heard on the radio the $100 collector's edition Madden comes with it this year. $100 for Sunday Ticket is a steal. I'll have to check it out.
YEP: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/05/17/madden-nfl-25-anniversary-edition-offers-bonus-sunday-ticket-subscription.aspx
Quote from: derspiess on August 21, 2013, 07:10:32 PM
No Sunday Ticket, though.
If you buy the Madden Collector's Edition it is.
Quote from: sbr on August 21, 2013, 07:11:07 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 21, 2013, 07:10:32 PM
No Sunday Ticket, though.
If you buy the Madden Collector's Edition it is.
Was responding to Seedy, sorry.
Dirty bastards, making me buy a Madden game just for Sunday Ticket. :mad: IT IS CLUTTER
edit: yeah, ds, I just read that. Those assholes.
I'll pay $100 for a game I would never play if it means I can see something other than a Seahawks game this year. The Seachickens are unbearable when they are bad, I can't imagine the level of douchebaggery that will be going on here, 180 miles away, now that they might be very good again.
Especially if I can get my brother to kick in $50.
I'd pay the 100$ for Madden, sadly the offer is US only.
I'll have to suffer the Pats once again.
I'll pay for Sunday ticket rather than watch the Vikings, Lions or Seahawks. Actually, the Seahawks might not be that bad this year, but they're no Ravens.
Seahawks are a punky, fun team to watch. Even if Pete Carroll is Belichick without the hoodie, head wrap and anti-social sociopath personality.
Ah the catch:
Can I watch NFL Sunday Ticket on my PS3 by purchasing the Anniversary Edition?
No, this only provides access to NFL Sunday Ticket on computer, tablet, and mobile devices.
My daughter is always hooking her laptop up to the TV to watch shit, I assume I could do the same with this? It would still be a pain, the best part fo Sunday Ticket is flipping between all the games non-stop. That would be harder on a laptop.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 21, 2013, 07:21:56 PM
Seahawks are a punky, fun team to watch. Even if Pete Carroll is Belichick without the hoodie, head wrap and anti-social sociopath personality.
I like their defence. I don't like watching Pete Carroll ice his own kicker.
I fucking hate the Seahawks with the white hot passion of a thousand burning suns.
You would too if the local TV affiliate decided you were a suburb of a shitty city 180 miles away.
"We know you all really want to see that Steve Young v. Troy Aikman match-up but we are very excited to bring you your Rick Mirer led Seattle Seahawks!!"
:x
Suck it up, tough guy. Try dealing with the Redskins piped into your brain every Sunday for decades.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 21, 2013, 07:33:01 PM
Suck it up, tough guy. Try dealing with the Redskins piped into your brain every Sunday for decades.
I would take the Redskins over the Seahawks every time. Twice on Sunday.
Sure, you say that now.
At least I could see Chip Kelly twice a year. :wub:
Quote from: sbr on August 21, 2013, 07:38:16 PM
At least I could see Chip Kelly twice a year. :wub:
But not for long. I don't think he'll last too long.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 21, 2013, 07:33:01 PM
Suck it up, tough guy. Try dealing with the Redskins piped into your brain every Sunday for decades.
"Decades" is a bit of an exaggeration. Up until Snyder bought the team in 1999, they had a 30-year run during which they were usually at least decent.
Quote from: dps on August 21, 2013, 08:05:16 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 21, 2013, 07:33:01 PM
Suck it up, tough guy. Try dealing with the Redskins piped into your brain every Sunday for decades.
"Decades" is a bit of an exaggeration. Up until Snyder bought the team in 1999, they had a 30-year run during which they were usually at least decent.
Hey asshole, the Redskins have been piped into the Baltimore TV market since the 1970s. Every. Fucking. Sunday.
Packers and Niners competing for home field advantage in Week 15? Your local affiliate is proud to present the 7-8 Redskins at the 2-13 Arizona Cardinals instead!
So yeah. Fucking decades. I know, I've lived them.
Yeah, but that was part and parcel with watching the NFL in the olden days. Sometimes, you got a lemon.
Regional market coverage still exists.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 21, 2013, 08:24:04 PM
Regional market coverage still exists.
Yeah, but you have options these days.
Sports bars, yeah. Yahoo.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 21, 2013, 08:15:33 PM
Quote from: dps on August 21, 2013, 08:05:16 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 21, 2013, 07:33:01 PM
Suck it up, tough guy. Try dealing with the Redskins piped into your brain every Sunday for decades.
"Decades" is a bit of an exaggeration. Up until Snyder bought the team in 1999, they had a 30-year run during which they were usually at least decent.
Hey asshole, the Redskins have been piped into the Baltimore TV market since the 1970s. Every. Fucking. Sunday.
Packers and Niners competing for home field advantage in Week 15? Your local affiliate is proud to present the 7-8 Redskins at the 2-13 Arizona Cardinals instead!
So yeah. Fucking decades. I know, I've lived them.
It's the same city.
Fuck you. Asshole Brady-cock muncher. Fuck you and your Uggos.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 21, 2013, 08:27:20 PM
Sports bars, yeah. Yahoo.
Sunday Ticket. Pay-per-view. Shady live streams on the internet.
Quote from: Neil on August 21, 2013, 07:55:18 PM
Quote from: sbr on August 21, 2013, 07:38:16 PM
At least I could see Chip Kelly twice a year. :wub:
But not for long. I don't think he'll last too long.
I would assume that he won't last long either, very few college guys have. And no, Jim Harbaugh is not a college guy.
Kelly is intelligent, a very hard worker and his players almost always love him. I have seen some Eagles players, notably Mike Vick, talk about Kelly and how prepared he gets them and they sound a lot like the Oregon kids. If Kelly can get Vick's confidence back long term and keep him upright, and the defense can not be bad I think he has a chance for some short term success.
Long term I have no idea. Even with success I'm not sure how long Kelly can hold a pro locker room. Reminds me a bit of Gruden that way.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 21, 2013, 08:30:35 PM
Fuck you. Asshole Brady-cock muncher. Fuck you and your Uggos.
38 miles apart. The regional coverage isn't a stretch there.
And where did the Uggos thing come from? :D
Uggs, Uggos, whatever the fuck you faggots are wearing these days.
No Uggs for me. I'm a flip-flop man. :cool:
Quote from: sbr on August 21, 2013, 08:37:39 PM
No Uggs for me. I'm a flip-flop man. :cool:
Ugh.
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 21, 2013, 08:38:18 PM
Quote from: sbr on August 21, 2013, 08:37:39 PM
No Uggs for me. I'm a flip-flop man. :cool:
Ugh.
No shit. Gayer than Crocs.
Bet he wears socks with them too, Pelican Bay-style.
If you're in the Pacific Northwest, it's not unreasonable to expect to get Seahawks coverage.
A friend of mine has a brother in Portland, and they're all Niner fans there.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 21, 2013, 08:15:33 PM
Quote from: dps on August 21, 2013, 08:05:16 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 21, 2013, 07:33:01 PM
Suck it up, tough guy. Try dealing with the Redskins piped into your brain every Sunday for decades.
"Decades" is a bit of an exaggeration. Up until Snyder bought the team in 1999, they had a 30-year run during which they were usually at least decent.
Hey asshole, the Redskins have been piped into the Baltimore TV market since the 1970s. Every. Fucking. Sunday.
Packers and Niners competing for home field advantage in Week 15? Your local affiliate is proud to present the 7-8 Redskins at the 2-13 Arizona Cardinals instead!
So yeah. Fucking decades. I know, I've lived them.
Ah, I know you'll often get them for your regional game. I thought the complaint was that they've been a bad team, not about getting them, and I was pointing out that as far as getting a bad team is concerned, lots of places have it worse--a lot worse.
That said, aren't the Redskins on Fox? If you watch Fox NFL coverage, you get what you deserve.
Quote from: dps on August 21, 2013, 08:44:48 PM
Ah, I know you'll often get them for your regional game. I thought the complaint was that they've been a bad team, not about getting them, and I was pointing out that as far as getting a bad team is concerned, lots of places have it worse--a lot worse.
Some people hate the Raiders, some hate the Cowboys. I hate the Foreskins on multiple levels.
Ravens forced a 3 and out on Carolina, and then promptly eviscerated the Pathers' D both in the air and on the ground.
LOL fucking Ted Ginn Jr.
The block in the back to push LaQuann Williams past Ginn and create that return was earth-shattering.
That was so not a personal foul; Newton wasn't sliding.
Total fucking bullshit. If it was a hookslide, he's short of the first down. If it wasn't, then that's a legal hit. Stupid refs are fucking morons.
Wow, what a pop by Keitley.
The crack of the pads, the pop of the pigskin hitting outstretched hands, the grunting of lineman locked in their savage embrace, the incessant whining of Raven's fans. Football season is upon us. :)
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Lotus pose on two
The Seahawks believe their kinder, gentler philosophy is the future of football
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"IT'S DIFFERENT HERE," Pete Carroll says. "Have you noticed?" It's hard not to. At 9 a.m. on the first Sunday of training camp in Renton, Wash., high-performance sports psychologist Mike Gervais, dressed in a navy Seahawks hoodie and white baseball cap and flashing more enthusiasm than is rational at this hour, welcomes players into a meeting room at the Virginia Mason Athletic Center. This place used to be the site of a coal tar refinery; now it's the happiest, greenest campsite in the history of the NFL. Gervais is about to lead a meditation session and, as he always does, instructs the players to hit record on their phone voice-recorder apps and to close their eyes. Then he starts guiding them: "Quiet your minds," "Focus your attention inwardly" and "Visualize success."
This is the Pete Carroll experience we always hear about. After flaming out as an NFL head coach, Carroll rebuilt his rep as an ultracompetitive buddy coach at USC. But beneath the perpetual smile was a guy who thought, more than anything, there was a better way to win. Meditation is only part of it. After Carroll was fired by the Patriots following the 1999 season, he agonized over what he'd do differently if he landed another NFL head-coaching job. Almost every day for the better part of a decade, while leading Southern Cal to seven top-10 finishes and one BCS title, he jotted down do-over notes. His dream was to fundamentally change the way players are coached. The timeworn strategy is, of course, to be a hard-ass -- think Bear Bryant banning water breaks, Vince Lombardi screaming and yelling, Mike Rice throwing basketballs at players' heads, Nick Saban berating his team on the sideline. Carroll craved a chance to reimagine the coaching role in the NFL. "I wanted to find out if we went to the NFL and really took care of guys, really cared about each and every individual, what would happen?"
Now, three and a half years into his tenure with the Seahawks -- with a 91-man roster that includes only four players who have been with the team longer -- he can truly start to answer that question.
On this Sunday morning, it starts with meditation with Gervais, whom Carroll began to integrate into the program in 2011, at first working on the fringes as a consultant, then becoming a sideline regular last year. For the newcomers to his sessions, Gervais keeps them short, about six minutes. For those with some experience, he prepares longer, more individualized meditations. No one is required to be here, yet about 20 players show up at various times every week to breathe in, breathe out and open their minds. The entire roster also participates in yoga class, which players enjoyed so much last year as an optional activity that the staff decided to make it a mandated part of player workouts this year.
The big idea is that happy players make for better players. Everyone in the facility, from coaches and players to personal assistants and valets, is expected to follow Carroll's mantras regarding positivity of thought, words and actions. "Do your job better than it has ever been done before," he tells them. Yelling and swearing are frowned upon, and every media interview with a player or coach ends with a thank-you to the reporter. And in a trial program entering its second year, a group of 15 to 20 players is undergoing Neurotopia brain-performance testing and has worked with Gervais to create status profiles -- updated every week on an iPad app -- of what's going on in their lives, how much sleep they're getting, their goals and how they're dealing with stressors.
Even as we re-examine the mental health of players in this kinder, gentler era of the sport, this is a bizarro football world. It certainly helps that Carroll has found a kindred spirit and advocate in second-year star QB Russell Wilson, who schedules individual weekly sessions with Gervais. "We do imagery work and talk about having that innovative mindset of being special," Wilson says. "We talk about being in the moment and increasing chaos throughout practice, so when I go into the game, everything is relaxed."
Then he repeats what Carroll says all the time, what everyone around here says: "I talk to guys on other teams, and other teams aren't like this. We do stuff different here."
AT THE NFL Rookie Symposium in June, Chris Ballard steps to the podium. Ballard, the director of player personnel for the Chiefs, has a harsh message for the recent draft picks. "Most of you will not be in this league three years from now," he begins. Later, he adds, "Nobody cares about your problems. The fans don't care. The media doesn't care. And ownership doesn't care. They care about results."
These words are spoken seven months after a Kansas City player, Jovan Belcher, shot his girlfriend nine times, then drove to the team facility and killed himself in the parking lot. But in what remains a suck-it-up NFL culture, that speech could have been delivered by almost anybody in the league.
"He was treating them exactly how they feel, like objects," says Jimmy Stewart, a licensed family therapist who works with athletes and military personnel dealing with post-traumatic stress disorder. Stewart is a former defensive back with the Saints and Lions, and when he left the league in 1980 he was an emotional wreck and an alcoholic. "The four years I played pro football were some of the most horrendous of my life," he says. "I cried alone. I was frightened. I badly needed somebody to talk to, and I know so many guys today who feel the same way."
After retiring, Stewart earned a master's degree in counseling and went on a crusade to improve the mental health of athletes. In the past few years, he has lobbied the NFL and several teams, including the Chiefs and Saints, to embed psychologists within their coaching staffs, similar to what the military does. He says that his calls largely go unreturned and that even when teams do call him back, he is often met with arrogance and a "we're doing enough" attitude. So when Stewart hears details of what's happening in Seattle, he begins to cry.
"Talking about concussions is important, but players are not committing suicide just because they have CTE," he says. "They are committing suicide because they refuse to be vulnerable. CTE can cause symptoms of depression, but it's isolation and invulnerability that causes you to commit suicide. With Belcher, the only way you have a chance with him is if every day you have a coach and a psychologist asking, 'How are you feeling today?'"
In Seattle, there's an entire staff expressly designed to look out for players. It's headed by Sam Ramsden, the team's longtime trainer who's now the Seahawks' director of player health and performance. The staff also includes Maurice "Mo" Kelly, the director of player development, who acts as a liaison between players and management; Dirk Eldredge, a life skills consultant/addiction counselor, who helps players transition to the NFL and prepare for when they leave the game; and Gervais. By Carroll's orders, rookies receive special attention to help them assimilate.
"It hit me that in our days at USC, many of our players were drafted high, but a lot of them didn't do very well in the league," Carroll says. "They would come back to visit campus and say: 'It's hard-core. You don't know anybody. You go home and you're by yourself. You don't feel connected at all.' We had reached guys at a different level that allowed them to perform at a high level. And when they left us, they didn't have the support to carry them through."
All Seahawks players are encouraged to use the support staff the way employees in the business world rely on a human resources department. Depressed? Worried about a loved one? Sick pet? The staff wants to hear about it. And if a player is dragging at practice, a coach will be proactive and ask why -- instead of jumping to conclusions and berating him in front of his teammates. That includes assistant head coach Tom Cable, the former hothead coach of the Raiders. "I always coached how my coaches coached me," he says. Working alongside Carroll, 48-year-old Cable says he finally feels as though he's working with players the right way. "If I go ballistic on a guy because he dropped his outside hand or missed an underneath stunt, who is wrong? I am," Cable says. "I'm attacking his self-confidence and he's learning that if he screws up, he's going to get yelled at. If you make a mistake here, it's going to get fixed."
One way or another. Last year Ramsden started screening struggling players' blood panels, looking for deficiencies in certain amino acids that act as important indicators
of whether a person lacks sufficient levels of dopamine and serotonin. He's looking for why players get into a funk, not just how to shake them out of it.
If a physical solution isn't found, Ramsden, Gervais or another staff member talks players through their problems. And Carroll has empowered his team leaders to reach out to players who might not connect with a 62-year-old white surfer dude. "Coach Carroll listens to his players," says veteran running back Michael Robinson. "But you need the right mix of older guys who get it. Pete can't be in the locker room all the time, and the head man won't resonate with everybody."
Make no mistake, it's not hard to find detractors. QB Matt Flynn, Seattle's big free agent signee a year ago, criticized Carroll's style on his way out the door for Oakland this spring. "The way I look at it, leadership and being that guy is: Don't be someone you're not. Don't be a hoorah guy jumping around and clapping your hands if you're not that guy," Flynn told the Los Angeles Times. "Makes you look desperate. Makes you look silly. That's not me."
Critics in the league also point out that the concepts of "new age" and "PED abusers" don't exactly mesh. Since 2010, Seattle has had a league-high five failed drug tests, and that doesn't even include Richard Sherman, whose suspension was overturned on appeal. Most of the positives reportedly were for Adderall use, although as Jim Harbaugh, coach of the division-rival 49ers, pointed out in June, the NFL is prohibited from commenting on the nature of the flunked tests. "You're taking somebody at their word that I don't know if you can take them at their word, understanding the circumstances," Harbaugh said.
The most recent suspension came in May, when second-year pass rusher Bruce Irvin tested positive, reportedly for Adderall, and received a four-game ban. Carroll met with Irvin, then with Robinson, who called a team meeting and challenged his teammates to hold themselves accountable not only to coaches and league rules but to one another. "The fact that that happened to Bruce is a gift for the next guy," Carroll says. "He made a poor choice and got hammered by it so the next guy won't have to go through that."
THE EVOLUTION OF the Seahawks began on Jan. 11, 2010, the day Pete Carroll brought his sunny disposition to rainy Seattle. When asked to encapsulate his life philosophy, he answers with two words, the same ones that hang on a banner above the practice field: "Always compete."
To implement that philosophy in Seattle, Carroll knew he needed the perfect partner. From a stack of GM candidates, Carroll zeroed in on John Schneider, who, although only 38 at the time, had already built a reputation around the league as a scrappy, relentless, outside-the-box thinker as the director of football operations for the Packers. When Schneider was a junior at the University of St. Thomas in Minnesota, he wrote an impassioned letter to Packers GM Ron Wolf explaining why he'd make a great scout. An intrigued Wolf brought him on as an intern that summer in 1992, and Schneider has been working in the league ever since. Says Carroll of their partnership, "I was going to make this a great relationship, a famous relationship of cooperation and coordination."
In their first four months together, before their families joined them in Seattle, the two men "brothered up," as Carroll calls it. They slept on their office couches, pored over the roster and folders of draft prospects, and shared control of the stereo. In the early days, they worked to the Grateful Dead; as the draft neared, they ditched the Dead for the Doors.
They needed that time together to execute a radical roster overhaul -- more than 200 player moves that first year and more than 500 by the end of 2011. Carroll and Schneider wanted guys who truly bought in, and they weren't interested in begging for converts. On the first day of meetings in 2010, Carroll asked players to stand up and choose a new seat, to take a fresh perspective as they started a new season. "One guy in the back of the auditorium didn't switch seats," says Matt Hasselbeck, the Seahawks' starting quarterback that year. "He was a big-money guy, a starter. And he was gone a week later. Pete didn't care about the seats. He just wants to know who's with him." Another time during that first camp, Carroll turned off the facility's air conditioning because he wanted to see who would complain about the heat. The coach does not like whining. In fact, it's Rule 2 of his three decrees: 1. Protect the team; 2. No whining, no complaining, no excuses; 3. Be early.
Carroll's group prides itself on finding positive players, and that is never more evident than in the team's draft preparation. Carroll, Schneider and the scouting department look at the same physical traits every other team evaluates, but they might value interview sessions more than any other team in the league. They pay close attention to a potential draft pick's word choices and any negative language or finger-pointing. They want to hear accountability and optimism. Before the 2010 draft, Seattle was in the market for a franchise left tackle in a draft deep with left tackles. But among Trent Williams, Russell Okung, Anthony Davis and Bryan Bulaga, Okung was the guy who stood out to Schneider and Carroll. How did they ultimately decide he was worth the No. 6 pick and a $48 million investment? By taking him bowling and watching him roll a woeful 63. Okung played hard, and when Schneider rolled the exact same score, Okung smiled and asked for a rematch. He was a living, breathing gutter-ball-rolling embodiment of the personality blend of upbeat and fiercely competitive that the Seahawks wanted to draft.
It's also no coincidence that Wilson, the 75th pick in the 2012 draft, is a Seahawk. After all, he has a track record of setting and reaching goals. In 2011, after graduating from NC State, Wilson decided he wanted to spend his last year of eligibility playing for Wisconsin. So he faxed a letter to then-Badgers coach Bret Bielema stating that he wanted to come to Madison, win a Big Ten title, be the conference QB of the year and go to the Rose Bowl. Bielema was impressed by the QB's resolve, welcomed Wilson and then watched as the fifth-year senior checked off every item.
After being drafted by the Seahawks in the third round last year, Wilson told Carroll, "I can be the starting quarterback on this team." The QB also gave a new list of goals to the Seattle coaches and hung a copy in his locker. His list ranges from daily objectives ("Always believe in myself") to what he calls his legendary goals ("Win multiple Super Bowls"). And this was compiled before he was named Seattle's starting quarterback. Says Wilson: "I truly believe in positive synergy, that your positive mindset gives you a more hopeful outlook, and belief that you can do something great means you will do something great. I believed that before I got here, and the crazy thing is, Coach Carroll and our football team believe it too."
On Day 1 of minicamp in Renton, Carroll pulls on receiver gloves and throws with an equipment manager as Macklemore thumps through overhead speakers, courtesy of the team DJ. Once practice starts, Carroll rarely stops moving, disappearing into huddles and racing across the field to high-five a defensive back for breaking up a pass. Gervais wanders the sideline much the way he does on Sundays during the season, stopping to chat with whoever walks his way. Intense offensive line drills end with combatants pulling each other up: "Stay positive," players say to each other. "Put yourself into a mindset of greatness." A touchdown catch brings hoots and hollers from the sidelines, as if the Seahawks had just won a Super Bowl.
Reality sets in after practice. Reporters confront players with questions about Irvin's suspension and Harbaugh's comments on PEDs. "We just want to keep it positive -- always," says cornerback Walter Thurmond. Adds receiver Doug Baldwin, "Our prefrontal cortex doesn't reach maturity until age 25."
Later that afternoon, Carroll lights up when informed of Baldwin's unusual answer. "That is when your brain develops and you take a step forward in maturity," he says. "Him telling you guys that -- that's a look into our relationship."
HERE'S THE THING about the Seattle experiment: It's only the beginning of what the Seahawks intend to be a total revamp of the way a football franchise approaches the physical and mental well-being of everyone in the organization. Team chef Mac McNabb feeds the players fruits and vegetables from local organic farms. He takes any leftovers to a nearby family-run farm to feed free-range chickens, which are raised specifically for the Seahawks cafeteria. Ramsden and Gervais spend their spare time attending conferences, meeting with nutritionists and sleep experts, and, judging by the mound of boxes in Ramsden's office, buying any new tech gadget that could be the next breakthrough in maximizing athletic performance. At the start of last season, Ramsden gathered data on most of the Seahawks, including blood and vision analyses and sleep and conditioning profiles. At practice, player movement is tracked via GPS so the team can monitor workloads. Ultimately, Ramsden would like to have players and coaches wear wristbands to track sleep habits and, when necessary, adjust practice schedules to maximize rest. (Can you imagine Bill Belichick sending everybody home from practice early to catch up on shut-eye?)
The Seahawks hope to one day have daily mental health check-ins to monitor players' off-the-field problems. Owner Paul Allen, no stranger to innovation, has indicated that he wants his MLS franchise, the Seattle Sounders, to follow the Seahawks' model.
For now, though, the next step is getting everybody on the meditation bandwagon. "Meditation is as important as lifting weights and being out here on the field for practice," Okung says. "It's about quieting your mind and getting into certain states where everything outside of you doesn't matter in that moment. There are so many things telling you that you can't do something, but you take those thoughts captive, take power over them and change them."
After last year's crushing playoff loss to the Falcons, Wilson did just that. Walking off the field alongside his teammates, he felt the darkness creeping in as he entered the stadium tunnel. Then he stopped for a moment and closed his eyes. Instead of fixating on what could have been in the 30-28 defeat, he began to visualize what could be. "We have a bright, bright future," Wilson thought in the belly of the Georgia Dome. "The Seahawks can be special for a long time."
On the team bus, he made a beeline for Carroll, unable to keep his vision to himself. Then he paused for a second, not wanting his optimism to be confused with a lack of accountability for the loss. He began slowly before Carroll cut him off. "Man, that's just what I was thinking," the coach said. "Let's not just win one Super Bowl. Let's win multiple."
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A DJ spins music during training sessions.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9581925/seattle-seahawks-use-unusual-techniques-practice-espn-magazine (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9581925/seattle-seahawks-use-unusual-techniques-practice-espn-magazine)
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 22, 2013, 08:23:18 PM
The crack of the pads, the pop of the pigskin hitting outstretched hands, the grunting of lineman locked in their savage embrace, the incessant whining of Raven's fans. Football season is upon us. :)
Hater.
Bernie is only mildly inebriated for the browns-colts game. :mad:
Lol, Rex Ryan is such an idiot. Are the Jets ever going to rid themselves of this tool?
Fucking Dan Marino still can't win the big game. Aikman and Tim Brown just smoked him in the Madden Pro-Am, on the deck of the USS Midway.
Hey Neil, you catch any of the Panthers-Ravens?
I think it's safe to say, after 3 preseason games, that:
1) Daryl Smith will be the starting MLB, like I said he would be the moment he was signed.
2) This defensive line is probably the best since 2007, and the definitely most versatile since 2000. Yeah, I said that. They have the beef, the speed and the depth.
3) The QB-WR communication still needs work when it comes to blitz assignments, but I think they're pretty much set roster-wise. LaQuan Williams, Aaron Mellette, and that 6'5" stud Marlon Brown look like they've won jobs. They may keep Deonte Thompson and cut Tandon Doss, which would be a shame but he can't win a job on the field.
4) I don't think the TE spots are going to be as much of a panic button than initially thought; Flacco will adjust the playcalling accordingly, and I think RB receptions will go up. Hopefully Stokely will be able to stay on the field for 3 consecutive games at a time.
4) Dumervil and Suggs have been so adept at switching spots on different downs, offenses aren't going to see them coming. And did you see when they both lined up on the same side? Changes the entire play for the opponent.
5) Pray to Christ, Nixon and Unitas that none of the starters in the secondary go down for long, or it's bombs away for opponents. Safety depth is better than CB depth, but still.
John Simon better make the Ravens roster.
Oh yeah, he's definitely in. Qualifies for the "Crazy White Boy on Defense" slot.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 25, 2013, 08:34:57 PM
Hey Neil, you catch any of the Panthers-Ravens?
I think it's safe to say, after 3 preseason games, that:
1) Daryl Smith will be the starting MLB, like I said he would be the moment he was signed.
2) This defensive line is probably the best since 2007, and the definitely most versatile since 2000. Yeah, I said that. They have the beef, the speed and the depth.
3) The QB-WR communication still needs work when it comes to blitz assignments, but I think they're pretty much set roster-wise. LaQuan Williams, Aaron Mellette, and that 6'5" stud Marlon Brown look like they've won jobs. They may keep Deonte Thompson and cut Tandon Doss, which would be a shame but he can't win a job on the field.
4) I don't think the TE spots are going to be as much of a panic button than initially thought; Flacco will adjust the playcalling accordingly, and I think RB receptions will go up. Hopefully Stokely will be able to stay on the field for 3 consecutive games at a time.
4) Dumervil and Suggs have been so adept at switching spots on different downs, offenses aren't going to see them coming. And did you see when they both lined up on the same side? Changes the entire play for the opponent.
5) Pray to Christ, Nixon and Unitas that none of the starters in the secondary go down for long, or it's bombs away for opponents. Safety depth is better than CB depth, but still.
Yeah I saw the game. Smith was ranging sideline-to-sideline, and looked like a boss out there, and having those monsters in front of hiim helps. Even running pretty vanilla rushes, they were getting tons of pressure.
I think that Doss is going to get cut. He has some potential, but he can never quite take that step. It probably didn't help that he fucked up spectacularily against the Panthers, while Mellette did OK, Brown balled out and LaQuan continued to be great of special teams. As for Deonte, he's a burner, but there's a shitload of team speed at wide receiver. As for the TEs, I think things will work out. Shiancoe got cut this afternoon, which should surprise noone. I think the kid from Harvard will be playing some Billy Bajema-ball, and might even catch soe passes.
I'm pretty confident about the defence. Cornerback is thin, but the front seven is stacked and safety is pretty strong. Ihedigbo is the second coming of Bernard Pollard, to the point where I'm not sure Elam will start this year. That Simon kid is my new White Linebacker of the Year, joining past winners like JJ, Kruger and Phillips. I think that this defence looks miles better than last year.
That said, I'm not concerned with all those fucking turnovers. Preseason is all about re-learning not to do that shit.
Quote from: dps on August 25, 2013, 05:51:27 AM
Lol, Rex Ryan is such an idiot. Are the Jets ever going to rid themselves of this tool?
Yeah, that was just... unthinkable. The owner should fire him right now.
What did Rex do now?
LOL, Put Sanchez in late in the 4th quarter with the scrubs, got Sanchez's shoulder all fucked up when the inevitable occurred.
Now he's stuck with Teh Geno.
Yeah, but it's Sanchez. He sucked too. It's not like this is an especially big deal that you would fire someone over.
They were bad enough with a healthy Sanchez, but having a broken one is even worse. Especially when all you've got is raw rookie QB that threw half as many INTs on Saturday night than his entire senior year at WVU.
Bad things for Gotham. Should be a fun to watch this year.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 21, 2013, 08:15:33 PM
Hey asshole, the Redskins have been piped into the Baltimore TV market since the 1970s. Every. Fucking. Sunday.
Packers and Niners competing for home field advantage in Week 15? Your local affiliate is proud to present the 7-8 Redskins at the 2-13 Arizona Cardinals instead!
So yeah. Fucking decades. I know, I've lived them.
Whatever I have both the Cowgirls and the Texans piped in here and they have not only been generally terrible but are both over 150 miles away.
While Baltimore is 40 miles from DC.
But seriously the regional coverage is total garbage especially for the 21st century. This is like 1970s bullshit the NFL is pulling. In College Football it is not like all I can watch are Baylor, Texas, and A&M yet that is how it works for the NFL.
Shit. I get stuck with the browns when Cincy can't sellout their stadium.
THE GODDAMN BROWNS.
New. England. Patriots.
Quote from: Valmy on August 26, 2013, 08:26:41 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 21, 2013, 08:15:33 PM
Hey asshole, the Redskins have been piped into the Baltimore TV market since the 1970s. Every. Fucking. Sunday.
Packers and Niners competing for home field advantage in Week 15? Your local affiliate is proud to present the 7-8 Redskins at the 2-13 Arizona Cardinals instead!
So yeah. Fucking decades. I know, I've lived them.
Whatever I have both the Cowgirls and the Texans piped in here and they have not only been generally terrible but are both over 150 miles away.
While Baltimore is 40 miles from DC.
But seriously the regional coverage is total garbage especially for the 21st century. This is like 1970s bullshit the NFL is pulling. In College Football it is not like all I can watch are Baylor, Texas, and A&M yet that is how it works for the NFL.
Yeah, but you live in Texas, what do you expect? Which team do you think you should get? College football doesn't have the expectation that every team gets on TV like the NFL does. Hell, the NFL is deepening that by giving every team primetime games.
Seriously, the networks in different areas can't broadcast every game simultaneously, so how do you expect them to make the determination where different games get broadcasted? And really, if you took a poll, most people in Austin DO probably cheer for either the Cowboys or Texans. Dallas and Houston are still closer to Austin than Phoenix or Kansas City. What would be the '21st century' answer for that?
It's tough for fans of out-of-town teams, but that's why Sunday Ticket sales are high, and why sports bars have good attendance on Sunday. That and GamePass ARE the 21st century solutions. The current situation is still infinitely better than just having whatever game the touts decide is 'exciting' all across the country. Watching the retarded teams from the AFC East and NFC East battle it out to be King of the Crapsack Teams is no fun at all. Give me a so-so Ravens game or even the fucking Steelers over watching the Gaytriots run up the score on the hapless, but still heavily covered Jets. Or hey, lets watch the Eagles and their new coach turn the ball over against Dallas, only to have Tony Romo throw it right back.
RG3 getting his own sex scandal? Read on a couple of shitty sites of allegations, anything real?
Quote from: Alcibiades on August 26, 2013, 08:16:01 PM
RG3 getting his own sex scandal? Read on a couple of shitty sites of allegations, anything real?
You mean the thing with the waitress from last month, or something new?
Yeah, something about sexting on his wedding day or some crap.
I don't think anything really came of that. It seemed to just...go away...after a day or two. To me at least. I might have missed a bunch of shit goin down I guess.
Quote from: Neil on August 26, 2013, 10:39:46 AM
Yeah, but you live in Texas, what do you expect?
Well what does he expect living 40 miles from DC? :P
Anyway I think every game should be on national TV, we sure as heck have plenty of channels who would love the opportunity.
Quote from: Alcibiades on August 26, 2013, 08:16:01 PM
RG3 getting his own sex scandal? Read on a couple of shitty sites of allegations, anything real?
He went to Baylor so as long as he was not dancing he should be fine.
Quote from: Valmy on August 27, 2013, 10:05:59 AM
Quote from: Neil on August 26, 2013, 10:39:46 AM
Yeah, but you live in Texas, what do you expect?
Well what does he expect living 40 miles from DC? :P
Anyway I think every game should be on national TV, we sure as heck have plenty of channels who would love the opportunity.
And that would probably have been fair during the time when the Colts were moved, except for the way the league mishandled it. Austin never had a team and never will though.
The problem with putting every game on national TV is the lack of channels with the kind of money and stature that the NFL demands for their product. Once the big 4 have taken their games, and ESPN gets another, the NFL Network one more, you're looking at splitting the rest of the schedule between a bunch of specialty channels with tiny viewership numbers. I can understand why the specialty channels would want that, but why would the NFL?
This has been cracking me up all day:
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/sports/broncos/broncos-fans-stunned-to-see-huge-photo-of-ravens-joe-flacco-on-sports-authority-field-at-mile-high
The Texans stashed one of their UDFA's on IR for this season. Alec Lemon, WR. The guy looked pretty good for a UDFA when he played, but he wasn't going to make the team this year. Anyway, I bring it up because I just saw a post that was asking "where's the reward for Lemon!?!" and it gave me an instant headache. Dude is going to make ~$500,000 to hang out with an NFL team, learn the playbook, and "rehab his hamstring." Fucking sign me up.
Sorry.
Yeah, that's a pretty sweet deal. I've seen some people argue that doing that retards guys careers, but I never bought that.
I mean I guess it doesn't allow him to go somewhere else where they might desperately need a WR or something, but....what difference does it really make if he's already on a team, just not playing vs. being the #6 WR or a special teams guy or whatever?
Learn the playbook, talk to Andre Johnson when you can, catch the football when given the opportunity. Seems like an okay start to a career to me.
Yeah. Generally speaking even if he were to end up on another team, he wouldn't see the field as a wideout. I don't know what the guy's special team skills are like, but given the choice I'm sure he'd rather go all-in to put himself in the best position to be a wide receiver than to plug away while nicked up and maybe never reach his potential.
League has come up with a settlement on concussion lawsuits. $765 million to be paid out.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/nfl/story/2013/08/29/sp-nfl-concussion-lawsuit-jim-mcmahon-tony-dorsett.html
Ran into one of the Bengals' Rookie UDFAs today at Chipotle. He ordered 3 burritos (with extra guac). NFL defensive tackles need their calories :D
Quote from: derspiess on August 29, 2013, 02:13:19 PM
Ran into one of the Bengals' Rookie UDFAs today at Chipotle. He ordered 3 burritos (with extra guac). NFL defensive tackles need their calories :D
Are you doing the video thing this year?
Quote from: Neil on August 29, 2013, 02:23:37 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 29, 2013, 02:13:19 PM
Ran into one of the Bengals' Rookie UDFAs today at Chipotle. He ordered 3 burritos (with extra guac). NFL defensive tackles need their calories :D
Are you doing the video thing this year?
Yeah. My brother's seats got moved to the 40 yard line in the club area, which tempted me to retire again to enjoy the game. But he had some turnover, so I'm staying on at least for this year to watch over the new guys.
Ravens at Rams. Precisely what you'd expect in a game started by Caleb Hainey and Kellen Clemons. 5 minutes in, I think there's 3 turnovers already.
The Pats have cut Tebow. :lol:
He lasted three years. That's a decent career for a guy like that.
Quote from: Neil on August 31, 2013, 12:11:20 PM
He lasted three years. That's a decent career for a guy like that.
Someone with no ability to read defenses, make quick decisions and throw the ball accurately? Yeah, 3 years isn't bad.
It's 3 more years than anybody here had, unless there's somebody not telling us something, like maybe grumbler played 5 years with Jimmy Conzelman.
Quote from: dps on August 31, 2013, 12:27:28 PM
like maybe grumbler played 5 years with Jimmy Conzelman.
grumbler was actually recruited to be the 5th Horseman To Be Named Later by Rockne, but went with Michigan and the rest is history.
Meh, regardless of his NFL career, Tim Tebow is already ensconced as one of the greatest college quarterbacks ever after Bernie Joseph Kosar Jr.
College players who don't make it at the next level aren't remembered outside their home states. Tebow will be remembered for his love of Jesus, not for his play.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 31, 2013, 12:38:41 PM
Meh, regardless of his NFL career, Tim Tebow is already ensconced as one of the greatest college quarterbacks ever after Bernie Joseph Kosar Jr.
John Elway, Doug Flutie and some guy named Wuerffel want a word.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 31, 2013, 04:19:09 PM
College players who don't make it at the next level aren't remembered outside their home states. Tebow will be remembered for his love of Jesus, not for his play.
See: Young, Vince or Leinart, Matt.
Latest U.N. Report Shows Raider Nation At Bottom Of Human Development Index Rankings (http://www.theonion.com/articles/latest-un-report-shows-raider-nation-at-bottom-of,33682/)
QuoteNEW YORK—According to a new report published Friday by the United Nations Development Programme, Raider Nation has for the fifth straight year held the lowest position in the Human Development Index rankings.
Taking into account such factors as health, education, and poverty, the report stated that the Human Development Index value of Raider Nation is 0.302, far below the global average and indeed at the very bottom of the 187 territories surveyed by the international organization.
"The empirical evidence is definitive in demonstrating what are, unfortunately, very obvious and disturbing issues in this isolated portion of the world," said UNDP administrator Helen Clark. "As the HDI statistics show, the average adult in Raider Nation has a drastically low number of years of formal education, an incredibly meager income, and a very short life expectancy. And these numbers are only getting worse each year."
"Frankly, the conditions in Raider Nation are nothing short of disgusting and abhorrent," Clark continued. "This is not a crisis that will simply resolve itself. The situation requires millions, perhaps even billions of dollars in humanitarian aid so these people can receive the help they so desperately need."
Clark told reporters that Raider Nation lags hopelessly behind in virtually every major statistical category measured by the Human Development Index, adding that the population is deprived access to even the most basic human needs such as adequate clothing, shelter, food, and sanitation facilities.
"If you compare Raider Nation to a modern first-world metropolis like Denver or San Francisco, for instance, the difference is night and day," said Clark. "U.N. workers have attempted to provide much-needed assistance to the area, but unfortunately the inhabitants of Raider Nation are incredibly hostile and belligerent toward outsiders."
"To truly solve the litany of social and economic problems plaguing Raider Nation, the first step is improving their education, which is worse than the likes of Mali, Sierra Leone, and Nigeria," Clark added. "The 12 percent literacy rate among Raider Nation adults is simply unacceptable."
According to experts, since its founding in 1960, Raider Nation has experienced a notably tumultuous history. Apart from a brief period in the 1970s and early 1980s, the entire population has reportedly been subjected to decades of hardship, and thousands have witnessed horrific atrocities firsthand on a near-weekly basis.
Additionally, sources confirmed that a significant portion of Raider Nation was displaced amid mass upheavals in 1982 and 1995, leaving millions as helpless refugees.
"This is a place where assault is commonplace, where even the most basic rules of civilized society do not apply," said Clark, noting that the shockingly high mortality rates in Raider Nation are of especially grave concern. "Many view them as a boorish and barbaric people, and though they have some customs that may seem bizarre to the outside world, the fact remains that they are suffering in total squalor and are incredibly frustrated with their situation. These people just can't continue with such a dreadfully substandard quality of life."
"But tragically, the rest of the world has essentially completely ignored them since 2002," Clark added. "It's as though they don't even matter in the slightest."
Clark told reporters that although Raider Nation's HDI value has shown some small signs of improvement over the last decade, the population is still rife with skyrocketing rates of unemployment. The area is also reportedly ravaged by gang warfare and high crime rates, as well as unbridled drug and alcohol abuse.
Clark particularly stressed the dire need of humanitarian aid for those in the most downtrodden region of Raider Nation, dubbed by many as "The Black Hole" for its rampant violence and appalling levels of overcrowding.
"Many see The Black Hole as a lost cause, but we cannot give up on them," Clark said. "While they may be the most economically and educationally disadvantaged in Raider Nation, they're still human beings."
"Just look at them," added Clark, showing reporters photographs of those who occupy The Black Hole. "It's so sad."
Reached for comment, leaders of Raider Nation released a statement to reporters reading, "RAIDERS 4 LIFE SUPER BOWL THIS YEAR FUKIN WATCH OUT!"
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