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Title: 10 women arrested for wearing prayer shawls at the Wailing Wall
Post by: jimmy olsen on February 12, 2013, 03:16:53 AM
What total bullshit.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/11/16929110-comic-sarah-silvermans-sister-detained-by-israel?lite
QuoteComic Sarah Silverman's sister detained by Israel

By Daniel Estrin , The Associated Press

JERUSALEM — Israeli police Monday detained 10 women, including the sister of American comic Sarah Silverman, as they tried to pray at a Jerusalem holy site, the head of a liberal Jewish women's group said.

Anat Hoffman, who was among those detained, said the women were stopped because they were wearing religious garb that Orthodox Judaism reserves for men only. The incident occurred at the Western Wall, one of Judaism's holiest sites.

Silverman's sister Susan, a Jerusalem rabbi from the liberal Reform stream of Judaism, was detained along with her teenage daughter.

Sarah Silverman wrote on her Facebook page that she was "SO proud" of her sister and niece for their "civil disobedience." The original post included more explicit language typical of Silverman's humor.

The women belong to "Women of the Wall," a liberal group that goes to the Western Wall each month to worship. They conduct certain rituals, such as wearing prayer shawls and skullcaps and singing out loud, practices reserved for men under strict Orthodox interpretations of Judaism. Hoffman, who was among those detained, is chairwoman of the group.

Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said the women were detained because they acted against court-ordered regulations that bar women from wearing prayer shawls at the Western Wall so as not to offend Orthodox Jewish worshippers. Rosenfeld said the women were released after several hours.

The group has been gathering at the Western Wall for a quarter century, but in recent years its activists have been increasingly detained by police. Hoffman, who chairs the group, said no woman detained has ever been formally charged with any crime.

"This is just attrition," said Hoffman. "They want to the group to become frightened."

The Monday detentions took place after about 300 people gathered at a prayer service at the Western Wall to protest Orthodox control of the site. Among the worshippers in the group, Hoffman said, were about 100 male supporters, including veterans from the legendary Israeli paratroopers' battalion that captured Jerusalem's ancient walled Old City, including the Western Wall, in the 1967 Middle East War.

In December, after Hoffman was arrested under similar circumstances, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered the head of the semi-governmental Jewish Agency to come up with solutions that would allow for non-Orthodox women to pray freely at the site.

Hoffman said two of the women held by police were American rabbis from the egalitarian Conservative Jewish movement who missed a scheduled meeting with the Jewish Agency chief to discuss the very issue that landed them in police custody.
Title: Re: 10 women arrested for wearing prayer shawls at the Wailing Wall
Post by: Phillip V on February 12, 2013, 03:40:39 AM
Next protest at the wall should be mass female nudity.
Title: Re: 10 women arrested for wearing prayer shawls at the Wailing Wall
Post by: Viking on February 12, 2013, 03:44:05 AM
You know what I'm going to say, so I'm not going to say it, I'm going to let the little viking voice in your head say it. No, I don't sound like Björk.
Title: Re: 10 women arrested for wearing prayer shawls at the Wailing Wall
Post by: Gups on February 12, 2013, 04:05:11 AM
Is that the little Viking who loves and defends all things Israeli or the militantly atheist little Viking? I imagine one with a teeny halo and one with the most adorable little red horns. I can't remember which is which though.
Title: Re: 10 women arrested for wearing prayer shawls at the Wailing Wall
Post by: Viking on February 12, 2013, 04:12:13 AM
Quote from: Gups on February 12, 2013, 04:05:11 AM
Is that the little Viking who loves and defends all things Israeli or the militantly atheist little Viking? I imagine one with a teeny halo and one with the most adorable little red horns. I can't remember which is which though.

The Militantly Atheist "little" Viking :contract: , it's always the Militantly Atheist "little" Viking.

..who is continually annoyed at the use of jewish for both religious and national identities, Israel is a Hebrew State like Norway is a Norwegian State. FFS words like Culture, Freedom and Jewish have so many different and contradictory meanings that any discussion which includes them is pointless until terms are defined.
Title: Re: 10 women arrested for wearing prayer shawls at the Wailing Wall
Post by: Eddie Teach on February 12, 2013, 07:41:15 AM
Quote from: Viking on February 12, 2013, 03:44:05 AM
You know what I'm going to say, so I'm not going to say it, I'm going to let the little viking voice in your head say it. No, I don't sound like Björk.

The little viking voice in my head is oh... so... QUIET.  :P
Title: Re: 10 women arrested for wearing prayer shawls at the Wailing Wall
Post by: Viking on February 12, 2013, 07:44:21 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 12, 2013, 07:41:15 AM
Quote from: Viking on February 12, 2013, 03:44:05 AM
You know what I'm going to say, so I'm not going to say it, I'm going to let the little viking voice in your head say it. No, I don't sound like Björk.

The little viking voice in my head is oh... so... QUIET.  :P

shhhh shhhh
Title: Re: 10 women arrested for wearing prayer shawls at the Wailing Wall
Post by: garbon on February 12, 2013, 08:02:01 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 12, 2013, 07:41:15 AM
Quote from: Viking on February 12, 2013, 03:44:05 AM
You know what I'm going to say, so I'm not going to say it, I'm going to let the little viking voice in your head say it. No, I don't sound like Björk.

The little viking voice in my head is oh... so... QUIET.  :P

:D
Title: Re: 10 women arrested for wearing prayer shawls at the Wailing Wall
Post by: Valmy on February 12, 2013, 08:29:56 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 12, 2013, 03:16:53 AM
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The Monday detentions took place after about 300 people gathered at a prayer service at the Western Wall to protest Orthodox control of the site. Among the worshippers in the group, Hoffman said, were about 100 male supporters, including veterans from the legendary Israeli paratroopers' battalion that captured Jerusalem's ancient walled Old City, including the Western Wall, in the 1967 Middle East War.

In December, after Hoffman was arrested under similar circumstances, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered the head of the semi-governmental Jewish Agency to come up with solutions that would allow for non-Orthodox women to pray freely at the site.

I tell you man being a government in that part of the world sounds horrible.  Every little thing is a matter of the WILL OF HOD(tm) to some group of nutcases.
Title: Re: 10 women arrested for wearing prayer shawls at the Wailing Wall
Post by: PDH on February 12, 2013, 08:47:55 AM
Quote from: Valmy on February 12, 2013, 08:29:56 AM

I tell you man being a government in that part of the world sounds horrible.  Every little thing is a matter of the WILL OF HOD(tm) to some group of nutcases.

Well, that area is where god was born.  Folks get protective about their home town.
Title: Re: 10 women arrested for wearing prayer shawls at the Wailing Wall
Post by: Syt on February 12, 2013, 08:48:43 AM
Quote from: Valmy on February 12, 2013, 08:29:56 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 12, 2013, 03:16:53 AM
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The Monday detentions took place after about 300 people gathered at a prayer service at the Western Wall to protest Orthodox control of the site. Among the worshippers in the group, Hoffman said, were about 100 male supporters, including veterans from the legendary Israeli paratroopers' battalion that captured Jerusalem's ancient walled Old City, including the Western Wall, in the 1967 Middle East War.

In December, after Hoffman was arrested under similar circumstances, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered the head of the semi-governmental Jewish Agency to come up with solutions that would allow for non-Orthodox women to pray freely at the site.

I tell you man being a government in that part of the world sounds horrible.  Every little thing is a matter of the WILL OF HOD(tm) to some group of nutcases.

IT IS WRITTEN!
Title: Re: 10 women arrested for wearing prayer shawls at the Wailing Wall
Post by: Razgovory on February 12, 2013, 08:53:33 AM
Quote from: Viking on February 12, 2013, 03:44:05 AM
You know what I'm going to say, so I'm not going to say it, I'm going to let the little viking voice in your head say it. No, I don't sound like Björk.

Look, it's already crowded in there, I don't need another voice in there.
Title: Re: 10 women arrested for wearing prayer shawls at the Wailing Wall
Post by: Ed Anger on February 12, 2013, 08:57:37 AM
They need to go back to the kitchen.
Title: Re: 10 women arrested for wearing prayer shawls at the Wailing Wall
Post by: derspiess on February 12, 2013, 11:50:28 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 12, 2013, 08:57:37 AM
They need to go back to the kitchen.

Yep.
Title: Re: 10 women arrested for wearing prayer shawls at the Wailing Wall
Post by: DontSayBanana on February 12, 2013, 01:08:49 PM
I suddenly don't feel so bad for my guard killing spree in Jerusalem in Assassin's Creed yesterday.
Title: Re: 10 women arrested for wearing prayer shawls at the Wailing Wall
Post by: Valmy on February 12, 2013, 01:11:27 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on February 12, 2013, 01:08:49 PM
I suddenly don't feel so bad for my guard killing spree in Jerusalem in Assassin's Creed yesterday.

They're just following orders!