It seems that the whole thing is now completely fucked up. The government has arranged re-settlement agreements with Afghanistan and Iraq, which is good. But given that there seems to be a slight problem. It seems that normal sane economic refugees get sent back, but that terrorists, taliban leaders and torturers don't get sent back. The leader of Ansar al Islam, Krekar, who has been designated for repatriation for years now is not being sent back, on the grounds that he will be prosecuted, almost certainly found guilty and executed as a terrorist and a murderer. Norway doesn't like the death penalty. This is old new, yes, but it now gets worse. Afghanistan. It seems that Afghani Taliban have applied for and received temporary asylum on humanitarian grounds. One actually went so far as to admit being a torturer to convince the Foreigner Directorate here in Norway that he will be persecuted upon return. This is of course going on at the same time as the Afghani Taliban is trying to kill Norwegian Service Men and Women in Afghanistan. Furthermore, with temporary residence in Norway and Norwegian travel documents these people can GO TO PAKISTAN legally and then RETURN TO NORWAY. The families of the two Norwegian servicemen who have so far been killed by roadside bombs might end up running into the men who killed them on the street in Oslo, only to have the Talibanis go back to Afghanistan to kill more. This is disgusting.
Link in Sandaweenie http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article3084120.ece
I'm not sure which is worse, that Cheney might get away with torture by claiming asylum in norway; or that people at war with Norway get asylum in Norway. I demand POW camps.
Quote from: Viking on May 20, 2009, 04:18:15 AMIt seems that Afghani Taliban have applied for and received temporary asylum on humanitarian grounds.
lol, Euroweenies. How you slay us with your comedic gold.
You can't make this stuff up.
I love the irony that a principled stand against execution and torture has the perverse effect of rewarding those who murder and torture.
Common sense has no place in government it seems.
Quote from: Valmy on May 20, 2009, 08:21:52 AM
I love the irony that a principled stand against execution and torture has the perverse effect of rewarding those who murder and torture.
Common sense has no place in government it seems.
It's not at all uncommon behaviour.
A couple of albanian siblings were granted asylum in Sweden last year after murdering several people. The logic was that while albanian authorities were requesting their extradition and afaik albania doesn't use capital punishment, it was decided that they could not be trusted to protect the siblings against the revenge of the victims' families.
Murderers, thieves, liars and parasites are being given asylum while honest people get sent home.
I'm renting out my appartment in Stockholm to a russian family that is currently about to get thrown out of the country and while I would normally laugh at the notion of russians being treated poorly these people always pay their rent on time, the father of the family works for a living rather than taking a welfare check and the kids are well adjusted.
Meanwhile, rapists and murderers are granted permanent residency since they have "a connection" to the country after gluing themselves to the appeals system for long enough or simply going into hiding.
It's a strange world.
So is this why they won't send Slargos back to Sweden?
Quote from: Viking on May 20, 2009, 04:18:15 AM
One actually went so far as to admit being a torturer to convince the Foreigner Directorate here in Norway that he will be persecuted upon return.
That's a very interesting asylum policy. The US asylum policy has an explicit "unless you were a persecutor in your home country, in which case fuck you" exception. 8 U. S. C. ยง1101(a)(42).
Quote from: Razgovory on May 20, 2009, 08:52:16 AM
So is this why they won't send Slargos back to Sweden?
All I really need to do is shout "Meatballs!!!" and he's on his bike and back in sweden.. but they keep letting him back in!
Quote from: Slargos on May 20, 2009, 08:45:09 AM
I'm renting out my appartment in Stockholm to a russian family that is currently about to get thrown out of the country and while I would normally laugh at the notion of russians being treated poorly these people always pay their rent on time, the father of the family works for a living rather than taking a welfare check and the kids are well adjusted.
Maybe you can find a few Taliban to take their place?
This all seems so messed up, so wrong. <_<
Wow, how freakishly Orwellian.
The Directorate of Immigration has for a long time been sabotaging the Norwegian government and it's foreign policy for years now.
Is this even news? Terrorists that have fallen on hard times have been coming to Western Europe to lay low for 200 years. Granted, Norway is slumming it, but these days the money there is better than in the traditional havens of London, Paris and Switzerland.
Reminds me of the 90's here in Denmark, when the refugee administration refused to help Bosina refugees return to bosnia after the war had ended, becourse they risked a "loss of living standard", by going back and help rebuild their country... <_<
Quote from: Neil on May 20, 2009, 10:03:59 AM
Is this even news? Terrorists that have fallen on hard times have been coming to Western Europe to lay low for 200 years. Granted, Norway is slumming it, but these days the money there is better than in the traditional havens of London, Paris and Switzerland.
True...
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on May 20, 2009, 10:24:29 AM
Reminds me of the 90's here in Denmark, when the refugee administration refused to help Bosina refugees return to bosnia after the war had ended, becourse they risked a "loss of living standard", by going back and help rebuild their country... <_<
The norwegians paid them to go back, then 6 months later when the money ran out they returned to norway and re-applied for asylum.
Time to nuke Norway?
Quote from: Viking on May 20, 2009, 11:14:09 AM
The norwegians paid them to go back, then 6 months later when the money ran out they returned to norway and re-applied for asylum.
We had that part too, we just told them from the start, if it doesnt work out you are wellcomme back, no need to re-apply...
Lets just say that so liberal-left wing politians had a dream that skilled Balkan refugees could cover our need for trained nurses and other medical personal. The problem was however that noone in denmark would recognize their diplomas or papers...
The funny thing was that many of the people who spoke positive about useing the skilled refugees, was from the very same institutions that rejected their diplomas and papers...
The discussion about the Taliban has moved on to Osama bin Laden. Norway would extradite him IF the US agreed to refrain from using the death penalty. If the US refused, then Osama would get asylum as there is no place in the world he could be sent without peril.
Quote from: Viking on May 22, 2009, 03:06:16 AM
The discussion about the Taliban has moved on to Osama bin Laden. Norway would extradite him IF the US agreed to refrain from using the death penalty. If the US refused, then Osama would get asylum as there is no place in the world he could be sent without peril.
How can one little country fail so much?
Quote from: The Brain on May 22, 2009, 03:51:23 AM
Quote from: Viking on May 22, 2009, 03:06:16 AM
The discussion about the Taliban has moved on to Osama bin Laden. Norway would extradite him IF the US agreed to refrain from using the death penalty. If the US refused, then Osama would get asylum as there is no place in the world he could be sent without peril.
How can one little country fail so much?
Aspiring to be like Sweden :contract:
Now the Foreigner Directorate is reporting that some of the afghani refugees are lying themselves a terrorist background for the purpose of staying in norway.