I have been thinking about WoW recently - I like GW2, but it has a smaller player base and I miss the social aspect of WoW (mainly, an active guild). But I am wondering if WoW does not feel as too old and clunky after GW2 - I looked at some MoP screenshots and while they are "pretty", this graphics just looks dated; more over, after GW2, I don't know if I can go back to rotations, mana and the old style of playing that was changed so much in GW2.
Since I would probably need to dedicate about 48 hours to redownload everything with my connection speed (not to mention, pony up some cash for MoP itself), I want to ask people who play/played MoP - is it worth it? Especially would like to hear from people who played GW2 for a while and either went back to WoW or tried going back to WoW and did not like it anymore.
Thanks. :)
Jesus Christ. Is your internet connection snail-mailed floppy disks?
Well he is in Poland...
Quote from: The Brain on January 20, 2013, 05:33:01 AM
Jesus Christ. Is your internet connection snail-mailed floppy disks?
I live in an old building which is mainly inhabited by old people so people here are not interested in getting a new fast broadband line installed and the best the installed phone line is capable of getting is 1 Mbs (despite the ISP is capable of providing 60 Mbs or more).
I can't wait to move to my new flat in a couple of months.
Old people are wrinkly.
You can afford it, do it.
I really like MoP, but I've never played GW2.
Quote from: The Brain on January 20, 2013, 05:33:01 AM
Jesus Christ. Is your internet connection snail-mailed floppy disks?
Leftover field cable from the war. Probably still has to spend 10 minutes to crank the hand crank.
Woohoo one on topic reply out of seven!
Mart, the new feature called 'scenarios' is pretty cool. Basically, it's an instance (which you can queue for) group of three players and classes don't matter. For example my main is a tauren priest and I typically queue specced shadow for those. They're also much shorter so great for people like me who can't always play WoW uninterrupted for hours at a time.
I played through the new area once. Then there was nothing else to do except dailies and raiding, and I lost interest again.
Quote from: Martinus on January 20, 2013, 09:55:07 AM
Woohoo one on topic reply out of seven!
Cause everybody quit playing WoW.
I think you'd like it.
I went and finally cancelled my WoW subscription (forgot to do it in October when my annual pass ran out). End of an era. :(
Here's an article from kotaku that describes exactly the feeling I have been dreading had I returned to WoW:
QuoteWith Mists of Pandaria, World of Warcraft's Age Is Starting To Show
Kate Cox View ProfileEmailFacebookTwitterGoogle PlusRSS This morning, I got up early and sat down to a freshly-patched World of Warcraft to play a brand-new Pandaren. I still don't love the WoW art style—I never have, it's just personal preference really—but even I had to admit that the vivid blue streak in my panda's pigtails was kind of cute. And if I didn't love the way she ran, well, at least I could get used to it, and the vivid colors of the vistas she merrily stabbed her way through were worth appreciating. The experience started out smoothly, if a little on the slow side.
About half an hour in, I made my first mistake: I tried to throw a dagger while running toward my target. Red error message text popped up across the top of my screen, helpfully reminding me that I couldn't cast while moving. I stopped dead in my tracks and threw my dagger once again, hoping that my target would then run to me, and waited patiently for it to lope within range of my other combat arts.
My second mistake was trying to dodge the kicks from the ghost of a Pandaren monk. I ran around, looking like a fool dodging for position, but there's no way to avoid the attack of a mob that has targeted you. I couldn't tuck, dodge, or roll, and, once again, I couldn't attack while in motion.
My third mistake was hovering over new weapons and armor in my inventory and in the character screen, desperately willing them to show me tooltips comparing the stats of my currently-equipped gear with the newly-acquired gear in my bags. Alas, none appeared.
After an hour of play and a helpful cup of coffee, I finally realized that all the silly mistakes I kept making, all the ways I kept anticipating the game would behave, were because I've been playing Guild Wars 2 for a month, and other, newer MMORPGs like The Secret World before that.
World of Warcraft, alas, doesn't behave like Guild Wars 2; it behaves exactly like World of Warcraft. Had I not been playing at the slow hour of 7:45 a.m., I no doubt would have made an ass of myself by stealing someone else's kill, item, or node without meaning to. I would have been a jerk not from malice, but from a lack of habit. Newer games have taught me not to wait my turn, but to dive right in and help.
The general feeling I have picked up from my first, brief, newbie foray into Mists of Pandaria this morning is that even in its newest content, World of Warcraft remains a product of its time—a time that now feels archaic. WoW itself did not invent the MMORPG, but when it launched in 2004 it refined the genre in such a way that it became a juggernaut, an unstoppable snowball of popularity. In the years since, every new MMORPG has faced accusations at one time or another of being a "WoW clone."
For a player who never really had a World of Warcraft heyday, though, the little ways in which the genre and industry have moved along and evolved in the last eight years highlight how hollow that accusation rings. The static combat of the WoW era has been replaced with more dynamic, fluid motion in newer games.
Isolated, clannish ways of moving through the world as quickly as possible have shifted into a more participatory sense of space in GW2. A hundred players could stand together on the Wandering Isle of Pandaria, and yet each of us is concerned only with the bubble of our own quest log. If I pay attention to other players at all, it is because they are a hindrance; the game provides no real mechanism through which we can help each other, at least not in the low levels.
I can travel off the beaten path in Pandaria if I want, but there is no real reason to do so. I will find no vista points to show off the lavishly-constructed views; I will find no collectible nuggets of lore buried beneath the leaves. Falling off the road doesn't tumble me into a new and exciting adventure here; it just means I need to find a way back up to the road while having irritating monkeys nip at my heels.
After a month in Guild Wars 2, Mists of Pandaria feels like a time machine that shows me how far the MMORPG has really come—and how far back the innovations World of Warcraft once boasted now stand. The king of all online games is getting old enough that it could really stand to take a cue or two from its upstart younger siblings.
Quote from: Martinus on January 22, 2013, 04:55:39 AM
I can travel off the beaten path in Pandaria if I want, but there is no real reason to do so. I will find no vista points to show off the lavishly-constructed views; I will find no collectible nuggets of lore buried beneath the leaves. Falling off the road doesn't tumble me into a new and exciting adventure here; it just means I need to find a way back up to the road while having irritating monkeys nip at my heels.
While I feel no particular desire to defend WoW/MoP, this part of her article is patently untrue.
WoW was always about the pvp and dungeon crawling for me, all this talk about how dull questing in the world was is both true and irrelevant.
The writer of that article is an idiot. I'm glad they're sticking to Guild Wars 2 or whatever other flavor of the week they are so I never have a chance of running into them in game. If you consider yourself an idiot, Mart, then by all means follow the writer's advice and "insights". If not, give it a trial run and see what you personally think of it. I think you may just surprise yourself with actually enjoying it. :thumbsup:
Well all he says is true for GW2 and it is an amazing game. Since MoP, by many accounts, seems to be more of the same, I will pass. Especially as GW2 is starting to have its first content patch later this month.
Quote from: Caliga on January 22, 2013, 06:37:33 AM
While I feel no particular desire to defend WoW/MoP, this part of her article is patently untrue.
It might not be entirely true, but GW2 is filled with hidden things all over the place to an extent that most other MMOs aren't. It rewards wandering about and discovering the world both with bits of xp/money and the fun of finding something new.
Yet still doesn't make Caliga's post wrong :P
Quote from: Martinus on January 22, 2013, 03:29:44 PM
Well all he says is true for GW2 and it is an amazing game. Since MoP, by many accounts, seems to be more of the same, I will pass. Especially as GW2 is starting to have its first content patch later this month.
Well, at least you answered the question I posed. :lol:
So anyways Marti hadn't responded yet and you've already pulled the trigger, but here it goes.
I liked looks of GW2, but left as the social aspect left me wanting more.
Bought MoP and played it, the new continent looks nice as do the new models for the Pandaren and the creatures that inhabit the expansion.
I've just this last week decided to cancel my account as my favorite part of the WoW is raiding and circumstances within Guild that i've belonged to since just before Cata (It's all CC"s fault!) make it that only able to pug raids or do the LFR raids which are tuned to be way more forgiving than regular that they are kinda boring.
The game has added some nice elements but after 3 months of playing it is just a more polished 8 year old game.
As it stands no MMO are enticing to me and hence why i'm now back play WoT, over GW2, SW, Swtor and the others.
What question?
Anyways, I gotta say raiding is probably the part of WoW I have always enjoyed the least - it just felt like such a frustrating waste of time to try to kill the same boss for two hours and wiping because someone forgot to do something (including myself). I enjoy the dynamic group events in GW2 much more, as even if you die, you can always resurrect and run back (not to mention, if you are near death, you can be revived by other players) and it has much more arcade feel to it, as you have to keep dodging and avoiding special attacks.
Sorry to hear the old guild isnt viable anymore. But I think that has a lot to do with WoW raiding/grinding losing its appeal.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 22, 2013, 04:06:25 PM
Sorry to hear the old guild isnt viable anymore. But I think that has a lot to do with WoW raiding/grinding losing its appeal.
It's mainly all your fault, we lack healers to raid, and oh so fun trying to pug them :P But yeah the amount of people who have left since even i joined is pretty dramatic.
Most of them if playing anything are in GW2.
Quote from: Martinus on January 22, 2013, 04:04:31 PM
What question?
Anyways, I gotta say raiding is probably the part of WoW I have always enjoyed the least - it just felt like such a frustrating waste of time to try to kill the same boss for two hours and wiping because someone forgot to do something (including myself). I enjoy the dynamic group events in GW2 much more, as even if you die, you can always resurrect and run back (not to mention, if you are near death, you can be revived by other players) and it has much more arcade feel to it, as you have to keep dodging and avoiding special attacks.
:bleeding:
Don't want to give Tera a try, Katmai?
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 22, 2013, 04:54:33 PM
Don't want to give Tera a try, Katmai?
:bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding:
I want to try, apparently it's pretty good with a controller.
I tired the whole action MMO with the DCUO game, wasn't impressed at all.
In GW2 it's fine, hell i admit to trying to dodge shit when went back to WoW on the Monk :lol:
Quote from: katmai on January 22, 2013, 04:11:20 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 22, 2013, 04:06:25 PM
Sorry to hear the old guild isnt viable anymore. But I think that has a lot to do with WoW raiding/grinding losing its appeal.
It's mainly all your fault, we lack healers to raid, and oh so fun trying to pug them :P Most of them
The blame falls squarely on your shoulders. You chose a job over WoW and left Jaron to tank in your place :P
I only need to catch 13 more paddlefish and get two more tiger steaks and I will be: master chef in Pandaria. :showoff:
I am really shocked that some of you still play WoW.
Well cal was late to the party.
I'm considering picking up mop though. Flash games and tv don't kill enough time.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 21, 2013, 04:02:16 PM
Well cal was late to the party.
I'm considering picking up mop though. Flash games and tv don't kill enough time.
Wrong--I've been playing since launch.
Quote from: fahdiz on February 21, 2013, 03:29:43 PM
I am really shocked that some of you still play WoW.
Why? I mean, I don't play much any more, but I don't see how it would be shocking if I still did.
Quote from: Caliga on February 21, 2013, 04:04:57 PM
Wrong--I've been playing since launch.
I don't remember you talking about it on Languish before TBC if not LK. /shrug
Quote from: Liep on February 21, 2013, 04:19:59 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on February 21, 2013, 03:29:43 PM
I am really shocked that some of you still play WoW.
Why? I mean, I don't play much any more, but I don't see how it would be shocking if I still did.
I guess it's surprising that there are still folks on Languish for whom WoW, after all this time, is not boring.
For the record, I did not go back to MoP, but enjoying GW2 anew.
Quote from: fahdiz on February 21, 2013, 04:35:57 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 21, 2013, 04:19:59 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on February 21, 2013, 03:29:43 PM
I am really shocked that some of you still play WoW.
Why? I mean, I don't play much any more, but I don't see how it would be shocking if I still did.
I guess it's surprising that there are still folks on Languish for whom WoW, after all this time, is not boring.
I still play. I play on rp servers though, and I spend most of my time logged on participating in events and talking to people.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on February 22, 2013, 05:45:52 AM
Quote from: fahdiz on February 21, 2013, 04:35:57 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 21, 2013, 04:19:59 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on February 21, 2013, 03:29:43 PM
I am really shocked that some of you still play WoW.
Why? I mean, I don't play much any more, but I don't see how it would be shocking if I still did.
I guess it's surprising that there are still folks on Languish for whom WoW, after all this time, is not boring.
I still play. I play on rp servers though, and I spend most of my time logged on participating in events and talking to people.
Homo.
:lol: Thanks.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on February 22, 2013, 05:45:52 AM
I still play. I play on rp servers though, and I spend most of my time logged on participating in events and talking to people.
Wow :lol:
I picked it up, started a gnome monk. Noticed several people from other servers in the newbie zone. :hmm:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 24, 2013, 02:47:35 AM
I picked it up, started a gnome monk. Noticed several people from other servers in the newbie zone. :hmm:
I've actually wanted to try this. Apparently, they're merging servers ad-hoc when there's not enough players in the starting zone. A good idea, but as I recall they've removed all the group quests anyhow. :hmm:
I think as a player in an mmo it is disheartening when you're playing in some zone all by yourself. :P
Yep. CRZ's (Cross Realm Zones) were added a few patches ago. I enjoy it, because as Jaron said it's odd being all alone in a zone. They tend to group servers together by type, so pvp, pve, rp-pvp, and rp servers are together. They've increased mob and resource spawn times to compensate for the busier populations in zones, so it isn't costing people time. They do have some group quests still in the game while doing the usual pve leveling, though not as many as there used to be.
Is Burning Crusade still full of them?
I think WOTLK had some too.
Full of...?
Sorry, I was referring to group quests.
If my memory serves, when I last played most players are so overgeared from dungeons and especially heirloom equipment that they can power through most of those quests. Perhaps not some of the 5 mans, like that Gronn in Nagrand (the son of Gruul, I can't remember his name)
I wish they'd stop completely overhauling the talent system each expansion. A bit daunting relearning all that stuff on a level 85 character.
With all the simplification, it's not too much to learn, is it?
They almost have to redo the talents each xpac to keep the feeling of character development fresh. It was fairly static from Vanilla to WOTLK, other than the streamlining of talents to make more sense. Cataclysm redid talents and added mastery. Panda raped the talent system and turned it into something more about character customization and play style. I have no doubts some talents still factor into a minmax build, but talents don't carry the weight they used to.
BC group quests have all been soloified, I believe.
I like a lot of the new quests. The training montage and kicking the emo panda back to his village I did tonight were particularly funny. :D
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on February 25, 2013, 02:07:12 AM
I wish they'd stop completely overhauling the talent system each expansion. A bit daunting relearning all that stuff on a level 85 character.
That also took me a bit by surprise at first, but I got used to it quickly and like how they've done things. Made a lot more class abilities standard and the talents are used to add a few touches. The glyphs can add to the character nicely too.
The glyphs used to be stronger I believe.
Amount of cc available is way overkill IMO.
Any talk of merging servers yet?
Quote from: Strix on March 04, 2013, 10:03:14 PM
Any talk of merging servers yet?
I believe their CRZ policy is their own answer to low population servers and not showing weakness by merging servers.
So there was a patch today, and when they brought servers up there was initially only one server available. Must have been at least a hundred pandas in starting area. :D
Anybody still playing this? I've still got 80+ characters sitting around on Alliance Dalaran and Uther and Horde Lightninghoof. Mostly been playing the pally on Dalaran but can switch if people are active on one of the other servers.
I think Katmai still plays a bit. I cant see myself going back.
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 11, 2013, 08:24:13 PM
I think Katmai still plays a bit. I cant see myself going back.
Nah i let my subscription lapse.
Quote from: katmai on March 11, 2013, 08:36:07 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 11, 2013, 08:24:13 PM
I think Katmai still plays a bit. I cant see myself going back.
Nah i let my subscription lapse.
Then I most certainly will not be going back
After reading this thread I tried out MoP again. The Raid Finder is mildly amusing and the new raids are well done.
Quote from: katmai on March 11, 2013, 08:36:07 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 11, 2013, 08:24:13 PM
I think Katmai still plays a bit. I cant see myself going back.
Nah i let my subscription lapse.
Have anything to do with the gutting of feral spec?
Not really as since MoP my main had been a monk.
I thought my sub had lapsed, but apparently I've been paying for it. :weep:
Cancelled now at least. ;)
Lately I've been playing through ME2 again as a full paragon character, but I think I'm gonna take a break from it this weekend and check out the content added with the latest patch.
ME2?
Mass Effect 2.
Due to a certain alt hunter's absence, there has been a coup and Cad has taken over the Languish guild. Bwahaha!
I joined a random guild today, noticed there was a serbian and a few other slavs. Casually brought up Kosovo -> guild riot.
:lol:
Quote from: katmai on March 11, 2013, 08:36:07 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 11, 2013, 08:24:13 PM
I think Katmai still plays a bit. I cant see myself going back.
Nah i let my subscription lapse.
Yet the guild roster says you logged in 2 days ago. :hmm:
Impressive hackers as have authenticator on account. :lmfao:
The hackers are getting desperate.
I am getting "Get free MoP trial" e-mails from mistsofpandaria@lizzard.com (sic!) despite having deactivated my account in November. :P
About 6 years or so after its start, the Languish Guild on Lightninghoof has finally reached level 2! :lol:
Yeah!
Hey Jaron, you should come back and run arena with me.
Didn't we used to do that a long time ago? Like back in Burning Crusade?
Maybe once or twice. Though I tried to get someone to do them every week.
Hadn't played in a while, so I just cancelled WoW this morning. :bowler: