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Title: Human hands evolved so we could punch each other
Post by: MadImmortalMan on December 20, 2012, 07:29:45 PM



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Human hands evolved so we could punch each other (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23018-human-hands-evolved-so-we-could-punch-each-other.html)

Forget toolmaking, think fisticuffs. Did evolution shape our hands not for dexterity but to form fists so we could punch other people? That idea emerges from a new study, although it runs counter to conventional wisdom.

About the same time as we stopped hanging from trees and started walking upright, our hands become short and square, with opposable thumbs. These anatomical changes are thought to have evolved for tool manipulation, but David Carrier at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City has an alternative explanation.

He says there are several possible hand shapes that would have allowed greater dexterity, making it less clear why we ended up with the hands we have. But only one hand shape lets us make a fist with a thumb as buttress.

Among primates' hands, ours is unique for its ability to form a fist with the thumb outside the fingers. The fingers of other primates' hands are too long to curl into their palms, and their thumbs are too short to reach across the fingers. So when apes fight, they are far more likely to wrestle or hold their opponent down while others stomp on him, says Carrier.

To test the importance of fists, Carrier and his colleagues recruited 10 athletes and measured how hard they could hit a punching bag using a normal fist, a fist with the thumb stuck out, and with an open palm.

The athletes could generate more than twice the force with a normal fist as with the thumb-stuck-out fist, because of thumb's buttressing role. There was no difference in the force they could generate with a normal fist and with an open palm, but Carrier says it's possible that a fist concentrates the force into a smaller area and so does more damage.
Cause or effect?

Mary Marzke of Arizona State University in Tempe says the study is interesting, but it far from proves that the ability to make a strong fist was the main driver behind the evolution of our hands' shape. It is more likely that it was a useful side effect of a whole suite of modifications.

She points out that apes strike with the heel of their hand when knocking fruit out of trees. Carrier's study didn't assess the force that the heel of the hand generates, but if it turns out to be as good as a fist, it becomes less clear that our hands evolved so as to be perfect for fist-making, Marzke says.

But if the hypothesis is true, Carrier thinks it could explain another mystery. It has long been unclear why high levels of testosterone cause men's ring fingers to be longer than their index fingers. He says the finger-length ratio makes sense if it generates a better fist. This would make dominant males even better fighters.

We're the punchiest apes in the jungle.

Title: Re: Human hands evolved so we could punch each other
Post by: Ed Anger on December 20, 2012, 07:33:04 PM
Or for Italians to talk. Or Arabs to wipe their ass.
Title: Re: Human hands evolved so we could punch each other
Post by: Eddie Teach on December 20, 2012, 11:03:36 PM
Seems far-fetched. Guy with stick > guy with fist.
Title: Re: Human hands evolved so we could punch each other
Post by: 11B4V on December 20, 2012, 11:08:04 PM
How much did they get from Congress..er tax payer, to come up with this shit?
Title: Re: Human hands evolved so we could punch each other
Post by: CountDeMoney on December 21, 2012, 01:21:00 AM
Oh, bullshit.  They evolved so we could jerk off.  I mean, duh.
Title: Re: Human hands evolved so we could punch each other
Post by: Razgovory on December 21, 2012, 01:34:05 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 21, 2012, 01:21:00 AM
Oh, bullshit.  They evolved so we could jerk off.  I mean, duh.

Dammit, I was going to say that.
Title: Re: Human hands evolved so we could punch each other
Post by: The Brain on December 21, 2012, 02:10:59 AM
Human feet evolved so we could hang out in Polish restrooms.
Title: Re: Human hands evolved so we could punch each other
Post by: Martinus on December 21, 2012, 03:17:50 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 20, 2012, 07:33:04 PM
Or for Italians to talk. Or Arabs to wipe their ass.

What appendage do you use to wipe your ass?  :huh:
Title: Re: Human hands evolved so we could punch each other
Post by: Zanza on December 21, 2012, 04:14:27 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 20, 2012, 11:03:36 PM
Seems far-fetched. Guy with stick > guy with fist.
Guy with stick is putting himself at an immediate disadvantage.

:P
Title: Re: Human hands evolved so we could punch each other
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on December 21, 2012, 04:16:01 AM
Quote from: Martinus on December 21, 2012, 03:17:50 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 20, 2012, 07:33:04 PM
Or for Italians to talk. Or Arabs to wipe their ass.

What appendage do you use to wipe your ass?  :huh:

A stick with a sponge on the end I expect.
Title: Re: Human hands evolved so we could punch each other
Post by: Ed Anger on December 21, 2012, 05:51:05 AM
 :lol: