http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/17/how-to-live-without-irony/
QuoteHow to Live Without Irony
By CHRISTY WAMPOLE
If irony is the ethos of our age — and it is — then the hipster is our archetype of ironic living.
The hipster haunts every city street and university town. Manifesting a nostalgia for times he never lived himself, this contemporary urban harlequin appropriates outmoded fashions (the mustache, the tiny shorts), mechanisms (fixed-gear bicycles, portable record players) and hobbies (home brewing, playing trombone). He harvests awkwardness and self-consciousness. Before he makes any choice, he has proceeded through several stages of self-scrutiny. The hipster is a scholar of social forms, a student of cool. He studies relentlessly, foraging for what has yet to be found by the mainstream. He is a walking citation; his clothes refer to much more than themselves. He tries to negotiate the age-old problem of individuality, not with concepts, but with material things.
He is an easy target for mockery. However, scoffing at the hipster is only a diluted form of his own affliction. He is merely a symptom and the most extreme manifestation of ironic living. For many Americans born in the 1980s and 1990s — members of Generation Y, or Millennials — particularly middle-class Caucasians, irony is the primary mode with which daily life is dealt. One need only dwell in public space, virtual or concrete, to see how pervasive this phenomenon has become. Advertising, politics, fashion, television: almost every category of contemporary reality exhibits this will to irony.
Take, for example, an ad that calls itself an ad, makes fun of its own format, and attempts to lure its target market to laugh at and with it. It pre-emptively acknowledges its own failure to accomplish anything meaningful. No attack can be set against it, as it has already conquered itself. The ironic frame functions as a shield against criticism. The same goes for ironic living. Irony is the most self-defensive mode, as it allows a person to dodge responsibility for his or her choices, aesthetic and otherwise. To live ironically is to hide in public. It is flagrantly indirect, a form of subterfuge, which means etymologically to "secretly flee" (subter + fuge). Somehow, directness has become unbearable to us.
How did this happen? It stems in part from the belief that this generation has little to offer in terms of culture, that everything has already been done, or that serious commitment to any belief will eventually be subsumed by an opposing belief, rendering the first laughable at best and contemptible at worst. This kind of defensive living works as a pre-emptive surrender and takes the form of reaction rather than action.
Life in the Internet age has undoubtedly helped a certain ironic sensibility to flourish. An ethos can be disseminated quickly and widely through this medium. Our incapacity to deal with the things at hand is evident in our use of, and increasing reliance on, digital technology. Prioritizing what is remote over what is immediate, the virtual over the actual, we are absorbed in the public and private sphere by the little devices that take us elsewhere.
Furthermore, the nostalgia cycles have become so short that we even try to inject the present moment with sentimentality, for example, by using certain digital filters to "pre-wash" photos with an aura of historicity. Nostalgia needs time. One cannot accelerate meaningful remembrance.
While we have gained some skill sets (multitasking, technological savvy), other skills have suffered: the art of conversation, the art of looking at people, the art of being seen, the art of being present. Our conduct is no longer governed by subtlety, finesse, grace and attention, all qualities more esteemed in earlier decades. Inwardness and narcissism now hold sway.
Born in 1977, at the tail end of Generation X, I came of age in the 1990s, a decade that, bracketed neatly by two architectural crumblings — of the Berlin Wall in 1989 and the Twin Towers in 2001 — now seems relatively irony-free. The grunge movement was serious in its aesthetics and its attitude, with a combative stance against authority, which the punk movement had also embraced. In my perhaps over-nostalgic memory, feminism reached an unprecedented peak, environmentalist concerns gained widespread attention, questions of race were more openly addressed: all of these stirrings contained within them the same electricity and euphoria touching generations that witness a centennial or millennial changeover.
But Y2K came and went without disaster. We were hopeful throughout the '90s, but hope is such a vulnerable emotion; we needed a self-defense mechanism, for every generation has one. For Gen Xers, it was a kind of diligent apathy. We actively did not care. Our archetype was the slacker who slouched through life in plaid flannel, alone in his room, misunderstood. And when we were bored with not caring, we were vaguely angry and melancholic, eating anti-depressants like they were candy.
FROM this vantage, the ironic clique appears simply too comfortable, too brainlessly compliant. Ironic living is a first-world problem. For the relatively well educated and financially secure, irony functions as a kind of credit card you never have to pay back. In other words, the hipster can frivolously invest in sham social capital without ever paying back one sincere dime. He doesn't own anything he possesses.
Obviously, hipsters (male or female) produce a distinct irritation in me, one that until recently I could not explain. They provoke me, I realized, because they are, despite the distance from which I observe them, an amplified version of me.
I, too, exhibit ironic tendencies. For example, I find it difficult to give sincere gifts. Instead, I often give what in the past would have been accepted only at a White Elephant gift exchange: a kitschy painting from a thrift store, a coffee mug with flashy images of "Texas, the Lone Star State," plastic Mexican wrestler figures. Good for a chuckle in the moment, but worth little in the long term. Something about the responsibility of choosing a personal, meaningful gift for a friend feels too intimate, too momentous. I somehow cannot bear the thought of a friend disliking a gift I'd chosen with sincerity. The simple act of noticing my self-defensive behavior has made me think deeply about how potentially toxic ironic posturing could be.
First, it signals a deep aversion to risk. As a function of fear and pre-emptive shame, ironic living bespeaks cultural numbness, resignation and defeat. If life has become merely a clutter of kitsch objects, an endless series of sarcastic jokes and pop references, a competition to see who can care the least (or, at minimum, a performance of such a competition), it seems we've made a collective misstep. Could this be the cause of our emptiness and existential malaise? Or a symptom?
Leif Parsons
Throughout history, irony has served useful purposes, like providing a rhetorical outlet for unspoken societal tensions. But our contemporary ironic mode is somehow deeper; it has leaked from the realm of rhetoric into life itself. This ironic ethos can lead to a vacuity and vapidity of the individual and collective psyche. Historically, vacuums eventually have been filled by something — more often than not, a hazardous something. Fundamentalists are never ironists; dictators are never ironists; people who move things in the political landscape, regardless of the sides they choose, are never ironists.
Where can we find other examples of nonironic living? What does it look like? Nonironic models include very young children, elderly people, deeply religious people, people with severe mental or physical disabilities, people who have suffered, and those from economically or politically challenged places where seriousness is the governing state of mind. My friend Robert Pogue Harrison put it this way in a recent conversation: "Wherever the real imposes itself, it tends to dissipate the fogs of irony."
Observe a 4-year-old child going through her daily life. You will not find the slightest bit of irony in her behavior. She has not, so to speak, taken on the veil of irony. She likes what she likes and declares it without dissimulation. She is not particularly conscious of the scrutiny of others. She does not hide behind indirect language. The most pure nonironic models in life, however, are to be found in nature: animals and plants are exempt from irony, which exists only where the human dwells.
What would it take to overcome the cultural pull of irony? Moving away from the ironic involves saying what you mean, meaning what you say and considering seriousness and forthrightness as expressive possibilities, despite the inherent risks. It means undertaking the cultivation of sincerity, humility and self-effacement, and demoting the frivolous and the kitschy on our collective scale of values. It might also consist of an honest self-inventory.
Here is a start: Look around your living space. Do you surround yourself with things you really like or things you like only because they are absurd? Listen to your own speech. Ask yourself: Do I communicate primarily through inside jokes and pop culture references? What percentage of my speech is meaningful? How much hyperbolic language do I use? Do I feign indifference? Look at your clothes. What parts of your wardrobe could be described as costume-like, derivative or reminiscent of some specific style archetype (the secretary, the hobo, the flapper, yourself as a child)? In other words, do your clothes refer to something else or only to themselves? Do you attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or ugly? In other words, is your style an anti-style? The most important question: How would it feel to change yourself quietly, offline, without public display, from within?
Attempts to banish irony have come and gone in past decades. The loosely defined New Sincerity movements in the arts that have sprouted since the 1980s positioned themselves as responses to postmodern cynicism, detachment and meta-referentiality. (New Sincerity has recently been associated with the writing of David Foster Wallace, the films of Wes Anderson and the music of Cat Power.) But these attempts failed to stick, as evidenced by the new age of Deep Irony.
What will future generations make of this rampant sarcasm and unapologetic cultivation of silliness? Will we be satisfied to leave an archive filled with video clips of people doing stupid things? Is an ironic legacy even a legacy at all?
The ironic life is certainly a provisional answer to the problems of too much comfort, too much history and too many choices, but it is my firm conviction that this mode of living is not viable and conceals within it many social and political risks. For such a large segment of the population to forfeit its civic voice through the pattern of negation I've described is to siphon energy from the cultural reserves of the community at large. People may choose to continue hiding behind the ironic mantle, but this choice equals a surrender to commercial and political entities more than happy to act as parents for a self-infantilizing citizenry. So rather than scoffing at the hipster — a favorite hobby, especially of hipsters — determine whether the ashes of irony have settled on you as well. It takes little effort to dust them away.
I just skimmed through the text, so may have misunderstood it, but is the author seriously implying that ironic attitude is an invention of this generation? :huh:
And it's pretty false to claim that people living in difficult conditions are not ironic. The Polish society was the most ironic under communism.
Irony is what intellect does when confronted with a situation it is unable to resolve.
I had a fixed gear bicycle as a child. The news that hipsters have appropriated them is devastating. :(
Quote from: Martinus on November 21, 2012, 02:18:35 AM
I just skimmed through the text, so may have misunderstood it, but is the author seriously implying that ironic attitude is an invention of this generation? :huh:
And it's pretty false to claim that people living in difficult conditions are not ironic. The Polish society was the most ironic under communism.
Irony is what intellect does when confronted with a situation it is unable to resolve.
No, read the whole article.
Essentially, irony is a response to cognitive dissonance. And in its modern hipster incarnation it is a response to the lie of the American/capitalist dream. After the boom of the 1980s and the 1990s (which was largely caused by the increase in productivity caused by the advent of the computer/internet era) we once more reach a point when it is no longer possible to increase efficiency and productivity in a spectacular way (I am talking about the West, not the periphery). So if you cannot increase productivity, you can only be more competitive by slashing wages/costs.
And this is the era in which hipsters live. The poor ones realize that no matter how hard they try, they will not repeat the professional success of the earlier generation. The rich ones realize the price they parents paid, in terms of lifestyle, to get where they are, and also reject it. Hence comes the cognitive dissonance - between the reality created by media, which is that of a capitalist dream, and the reality people actually live in. It is not a surprise that in the hipster culture the ironic attitude is mainly directed to the attributes of consumerism.
All fucking hipsters must fucking hang
Not sure what to make of the article. Very few people live life the way they want to, but that is hardly a modern trend, most people are followers and lack originality in the way they lead their lives; 'twas ever thus.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on November 21, 2012, 02:53:23 AM
Not sure what to make of the article. Very few people live life the way they want to, but that is hardly a modern trend, most people are followers and lack originality in the way they lead their lives; 'twas ever thus.
yeah
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/11/sincerity-not-irony-is-our-ages-ethos/265466/
I am having a hard time deciding which article is more moronic.
Quote from: Tamas on November 21, 2012, 03:04:24 AM
I am having a hard time deciding which article is more moronic.
Yours was written by this guy, an accomplished hipster: (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.theatlantic.com%2Fstatic%2Fnewsroom%2Fimg%2Fauthors%2Ff%2Fjonathan-d-fitzgerald%2Fheadshot%2Fauthor-headshot.jpg%3Fmdsv47&hash=5aaa8d83fa879a51404925072ac418df1ed5ec79)
Make of that what you will.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 21, 2012, 05:13:05 AM
Quote from: Tamas on November 21, 2012, 03:04:24 AM
I am having a hard time deciding which article is more moronic.
Yours was written by this guy, an accomplished hipster: (https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.theatlantic.com%2Fstatic%2Fnewsroom%2Fimg%2Fauthors%2Ff%2Fjonathan-d-fitzgerald%2Fheadshot%2Fauthor-headshot.jpg%3Fmdsv47&hash=5aaa8d83fa879a51404925072ac418df1ed5ec79)
Make of that what you will.
bleh. Good point.
I'm not sure if hipsters in the UK are the same as those in the US (its a term that is used, but not that much).
If they are, they don't bother me at all. I don't really know any, probably because I am in my 40s and their main effect on my life is broadly positive in that proper beer has become trendy and a number of pubs and bars selling the good stuff has increased radically. Similarly, high quality American fast food had spread so we can now get very good burgers, hot dogs and are starting to get decent BBQ and fried chicken.
My generation, Generation X, is the last of the useful, contributory generations. Everybody else that follows are overmedicated Ritalin junkies with Assburgers.
That's a first, Generation X being useful. :lol:
Get off my lawn
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 21, 2012, 07:52:36 AM
That's a first, Generation X being useful. :lol:
Whatever.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 21, 2012, 07:52:36 AM
That's a first, Generation X being useful. :lol:
My apathy is authentic, and not intentionally enthusiastic apathy.
Quote from: Martinus on November 21, 2012, 02:18:35 AM
Irony is what intellect does when confronted with a situation it is unable to resolve.
If so, it certainly would explain hipsters--they're people whose intellect can't resolve
anything.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 21, 2012, 05:35:59 AM
My generation, the Greatest Generation, the Lost Generation, the Generation Who Fought Off the Persians, Generation X, whatever is the last of the useful, contributory generations.
Everybody knows every generation has been degenerate and corrupt since Cincinnatus died.
Quote from: Valmy on November 21, 2012, 11:31:01 AM
Everybody knows every generation has been degenerate and corrupt since Cincinnatus died.
:yes: :P
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 21, 2012, 02:20:11 AM
I had a fixed gear bicycle as a child. The news that hipsters have appropriated them is devastating. :(
Fixed gear or single-speed? There's a little bit of difference- a fixie can be pedaled backwards, while a single-speed like the one I had would just brake if you pedaled backwards. Made learning to do a stoppie really easy for me.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 21, 2012, 07:52:36 AM
That's a first, Generation X being useful. :lol:
:huh:
Quote from: DontSayBanana on November 21, 2012, 11:51:33 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 21, 2012, 02:20:11 AM
I had a fixed gear bicycle as a child. The news that hipsters have appropriated them is devastating. :(
Fixed gear or single-speed? There's a little bit of difference- a fixie can be pedaled backwards, while a single-speed like the one I had would just brake if you pedaled backwards. Made learning to do a stoppie really easy for me.
No, the key difference is whether it has a freewheel or not.
Fixed gear single speed bikes have no free wheel, so in motion you have to keep pedalling with the option of also using your legs to help any brakes you have fitted; this is the bike beloved of messengers before being appropriated by hipsters.
A single speed just has the one gear but with a freewheel, so you can coast without pedalling. A minority of bikes, like the one you described, have a coaster brake fitted so pushing backwards on the pedals engages the internal hub brake, most single-speeds don't use these but have other types of brakes.
Quote from: derspiess on November 21, 2012, 12:15:23 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 21, 2012, 07:52:36 AM
That's a first, Generation X being useful. :lol:
:huh:
No shit.
Gen X: PLJ, Ed Anger, CdM, OttoVB, you, Yi, etc.
Gen Assburgers: Timmay and Ideologue.
Case: rested.
Lawyer, Asshole, Ex-Cops, Crazy Republican, Crazy Republican #2, Yi, etc.
I'm not saying Gen Assburgers is better. I'm just saying Generation X sucks.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 21, 2012, 01:32:33 PM
Lawyer, Asshole, Ex-Cops, Crazy Republican, Crazy Republican #2, Yi, etc.
I'm not saying Gen Assburgers is better. I'm just saying Generation X sucks.
Generation X was a wonderful novel! :ultra:
I'm Gen X! I work with something nuclear. I'm useful.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 21, 2012, 01:32:33 PM
Lawyer, Asshole, Ex-Cops, Crazy Republican, Crazy Republican #2, Yi, etc.
I'm not saying Gen Assburgers is better. I'm just saying Generation X sucks.
Them's fighting words.
Quote from: Syt on November 21, 2012, 01:45:13 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 21, 2012, 01:32:33 PM
Lawyer, Asshole, Ex-Cops, Crazy Republican, Crazy Republican #2, Yi, etc.
I'm not saying Gen Assburgers is better. I'm just saying Generation X sucks.
Them's fighting words.
His individual characterizations were pretty spot on.
Quote from: garbon on November 21, 2012, 01:46:43 PM
His individual characterizations were pretty spot on.
The Yi one is pretty damning.
Goddamn right I'm an asshole. I worked hard for it. Get a job, you punks.
Gen-X was assumed to be a slacker generation early-on, but IMO we're a lot more hardworking (i.e., useful) than the generation that came before and after us. Assholes, ex-cops, Crazy Republicans, and Yis can be very useful. You want us up on that wall.
Quote from: derspiess on November 21, 2012, 02:35:41 PM
Gen-X was assumed to be a slacker generation early-on, but IMO we're a lot more hardworking (i.e., useful) than the generation that came before and after us. Assholes, ex-cops, Crazy Republicans, and Yis can be very useful. You want us up on that wall.
You left out the lawyers. <_<
Quote from: Barrister on November 21, 2012, 02:36:41 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 21, 2012, 02:35:41 PM
Gen-X was assumed to be a slacker generation early-on, but IMO we're a lot more hardworking (i.e., useful) than the generation that came before and after us. Assholes, ex-cops, Crazy Republicans, and Yis can be very useful. You want us up on that wall.
You left out the lawyers. <_<
Lawyers go against the wall, not on it.
Quote from: Barrister on November 21, 2012, 02:36:41 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 21, 2012, 02:35:41 PM
Gen-X was assumed to be a slacker generation early-on, but IMO we're a lot more hardworking (i.e., useful) than the generation that came before and after us. Assholes, ex-cops, Crazy Republicans, and Yis can be very useful. You want us up on that wall.
You left out the lawyers. <_<
I know. But I suppose I'd make an exception for prosecutors :hug:
I attended a leadership training course once that touched on generational differences in the workplace. Funny, funny stuff.
We're the only generation that uses and answers the fucking phones in the workplace anymore. Baby boomers will have no problem walking down the hall and talking your ear off in the doorway, but Generation Assburgers would prefer to communicate solely by email and text, because they're fucking morons afraid of human interaction.
Hell, I even had one send me an email while I was listening to the phone ring waiting for him to pick up, asking me what I wanted. :lol: Fucking Assburgers.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 21, 2012, 02:41:25 PM
I attended a leadership training course once that touched on generational differences in the workplace. Funny, funny stuff.
We're the only generation that uses and answers the fucking phones in the workplace anymore. Baby boomers will have no problem walking down the hall and talking your ear off in the doorway, but Generation Assburgers would prefer to communicate solely by email and text, because they're fucking morons afraid of human interaction.
Hell, I even had one send me an email while I was listening to the phone ring waiting for him to pick up, asking me what I wanted. :lol: Fucking Assburgers.
I cant' stand people who call me when there office is on the same floor of the same building as mine. Just walk over and talk to me! Email is acceptable only as long as its to ask "are you in your office" or can be answered in one sentence.
I guess I'm old-school that way. I have a Blackberry, but it's pretty much receive-only mode (I haven't even activated my BB voicemail).
I'm Generation X but I prefer email over the phone. Your generalization: FLAWED. :cool:
Quote from: derspiess on November 21, 2012, 02:41:16 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 21, 2012, 02:36:41 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 21, 2012, 02:35:41 PM
Gen-X was assumed to be a slacker generation early-on, but IMO we're a lot more hardworking (i.e., useful) than the generation that came before and after us. Assholes, ex-cops, Crazy Republicans, and Yis can be very useful. You want us up on that wall.
You left out the lawyers. <_<
I know. But I suppose I'd make an exception for prosecutors :hug:
I stand with my Gen X lawyer brothers. :mad:
Quote from: Barrister on November 21, 2012, 02:44:40 PM
I cant' stand people who call me when there office is on the same floor of the same building as mine. Just walk over and talk to me!
Oh yeah, go no problem taking a walk. My only rule is, if my door's closed, me busy. If not, come on in and pull a log up to the campfire, Sparky.
Quote from: Barrister on November 21, 2012, 02:49:06 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 21, 2012, 02:41:16 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 21, 2012, 02:36:41 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 21, 2012, 02:35:41 PM
Gen-X was assumed to be a slacker generation early-on, but IMO we're a lot more hardworking (i.e., useful) than the generation that came before and after us. Assholes, ex-cops, Crazy Republicans, and Yis can be very useful. You want us up on that wall.
You left out the lawyers. <_<
I know. But I suppose I'd make an exception for prosecutors :hug:
I stand with my Gen X lawyer brothers. :mad:
As you wish.
All i get is an etc.....
I just had to cut my study results looking at the opinions of Late Boomers vs. Early Gen Xers. :x
Hipsters seem big in the US, but over in Europe (Berlin excepted), they look more like a minor subculture.
Quote from: Legbiter on November 21, 2012, 05:34:53 PM
Hipsters seem big in the US, but over in Europe (Berlin excepted), they look more like a minor subculture.
Even in the US they're a minor subculture. It's only the hatred of them that's big.
Are they really a subculture? I always took it more as a style of dress.
Quote from: Jacob on November 21, 2012, 05:53:28 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on November 21, 2012, 05:34:53 PM
Hipsters seem big in the US, but over in Europe (Berlin excepted), they look more like a minor subculture.
Even in the US they're a minor subculture. It's only the hatred of them that's big.
Oh ok.
Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see them rounded up and melted into biodiesel as much as the next guy but they seem alot more established somehow in the US.
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You really don't see many hipsters. When you do however, a boiling rage should burn within your soul.
If it doesn't, you have hipster tendencies.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 21, 2012, 07:52:36 AM
That's a first, Generation X being useful. :lol:
Lol. Useful in the sense that they've made good disposable foot soldiers in the Boomers' war against the future.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 21, 2012, 07:39:23 PM
You really don't see many hipsters. When you do however, a boiling rage should burn within your soul.
If it doesn't, you have hipster tendencies.
I have hipster tendencies then, and I don't give a fuck what you may think about that :)
Quote from: Jacob on November 21, 2012, 07:57:12 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 21, 2012, 07:39:23 PM
You really don't see many hipsters. When you do however, a boiling rage should burn within your soul.
If it doesn't, you have hipster tendencies.
I have hipster tendencies then, and I don't give a fuck what you may think about that :)
My avatar is disappointed in you.
I flunk 'em.
I don't get them. The supply chain isn't ironic enough.
Oh, being forced to take a class on on Western Civ for anyone in the A&S college is plenty ironic...especially when I tell them "blue book exams"
"Hipster tendencies" psssh. Its the hipsters who have Tyrish tendencies.
That's why I dislike them. They make stuff I actually like uncooly cool to like thus it seems I'm trying and failing to be a hipster (since I don't like all the crap they claim to like).
I don't know if I ever met a hipster. I'm not exactly Mr. congeniality over here.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 21, 2012, 07:39:23 PM
You really don't see many hipsters.
You don't see many in the wild, as they seem to gravitate together, sort of like all the life form readings of the colonists in
Aliens, all bunched together in enclaves like Williamsburg, Georgetown, Hamden here in Mobtown, etc.
Nuke 'em from orbit. Only way to be sure.
A prime spot for them is any shop that sells vinyl. Then they swarm over them like maggots on a corpse.
Hipsters don't do too well in Wyoming - I think the state limits the hunting permits, but each one is allowed at least to bucks.
And refurbished diner furniture from Bob's Big Boy. "Look! A two-person booth!"
I get the more rare midwestern hipster. Their prime breeding grounds being Wright st., UD and the 3 community colleges in the area.
The Midwestern hipster wants to goto New York, but his or her parents can't afford to send their special snowflake there.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 21, 2012, 09:17:35 PM
The Midwestern hipster wants to goto New York, but his or her parents can't afford to send their special snowflake there.
But Columbus is so close.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 21, 2012, 09:21:19 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 21, 2012, 09:17:35 PM
The Midwestern hipster wants to goto New York, but his or her parents can't afford to send their special snowflake there.
But Columbus is so close.
I should ask my goddaughter if they are infested with hipsters up there.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 21, 2012, 09:24:05 PM
I should ask my goddaughter if they are infested with hipsters up there.
I've probably been there more recently than you, and I can give you a resounding yes on that. I've been to ComFest, the Brewery District. It ain't purdy, man.
My brother might be a hipster, but it could act the way he does because he's gay. Or that he's an idiot.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 21, 2012, 09:31:46 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 21, 2012, 09:24:05 PM
I should ask my goddaughter if they are infested with hipsters up there.
I've probably been there more recently than you, and I can give you a resounding yes on that. I've been to ComFest, the Brewery District. It ain't purdy, man.
Kasich needs to call out the guard then.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 21, 2012, 01:32:33 PM
Lawyer, Asshole, Ex-Cops, Crazy Republican, Crazy Republican #2, Yi, etc.
:lol: Thanks bra.