I wasn't alive to experience either before YouTube, but I'm kind of surprised by how much better the British 1984 series Threads and 86 series When the Wind Blows are than their American counterpart, The Day After. Almost everything about "After" is cheese. Threads has some very interest scenes of protest going into the conflict, and the neo-Medieval afterward is genuinely freighting. When the Wind Blows is just about one of the saddest things I've ever seen-a wonderful look at a lower-middle class elderly British couple who don't really understand any of the realities of nuclear conflict.
Was The Day After really as effective back in the day as I'd read it was? Apparently Reagan was moved by it. How about Threads and When the Wind Blows?
Quote from: Queequeg on November 18, 2012, 09:32:23 PMWas The Day After really as effective back in the day as I'd read it was? Apparently Reagan was moved by it.
Back in the day, before your fucked up no-attention-span generation arrived, television networks had this thing called "a major television event", and The Day After was one of them. Hyped to the max. When there were only three networks making them, people had no choice but to pay attention, and it was on a topical issue.
QuoteHow about Threads and When the Wind Blows?
Never heard of them.
Dude, you've forgotten how to speak English. :(
Genuinely freighting.
I only watched When The Wind Blows because of the most excellent Roger Waters soundtrack.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 18, 2012, 10:07:59 PM
Dude, you've forgotten how to speak English. :(
iPad Posting. :(
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 18, 2012, 10:03:41 PM
Never heard of them.
Threads was about a hideous mutant who is impregnated by her human boyfriend, and then is caught up in the events of a nuclear war. It is interesting compared to the The Day after though. The people in the post nuclear America look like they are better off then their grimy counterparts in Pre-nuclear Britain.
You don't want to watch threads along or if you're down, it's the singular most depressing piece of TV I've seen.
At the time it had a big impact, I think the point was, the government propaganda about surviving a nuclear war was BS, once the Soviets nuked the Urban Corridor, that's 30-40 million of the UKs 55 million population gone straight away, the remainder have to scrap an existence/lingering death in a irradiated waste land.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 18, 2012, 10:27:06 PM
Threads was about a hideous mutant who is impregnated by her human boyfriend, and then is caught up in the events of a nuclear war.
A mutant knocked up by a human, and
then there's a nuclear war? Sounds pretty stupid. Or are you just fucking it up?
She's heavily pregnant when the birds start flying, and her daughter is both totally uneducated and a bit touched. The mutant daughter gets raped, and gives birth to a stillborn that is even more mutated.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 18, 2012, 10:43:41 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 18, 2012, 10:27:06 PM
Threads was about a hideous mutant who is impregnated by her human boyfriend, and then is caught up in the events of a nuclear war.
A mutant knocked up by a human, and then there's a nuclear war? Sounds pretty stupid. Or are you just fucking it up?
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FGr5C9.jpg&hash=933abe83075ca1cf64f273fd5695034e5699232d)
Well mutation would explain her appearance. I can't remember if that picture is suppose to before or after the nuclear attack. The 1980's were rough on Britons.
That's pretty clearly just a normal British woman.
Quote from: Queequeg on November 18, 2012, 11:06:53 PM
That's pretty clearly just a normal British woman.
:x I mean, I have low standards, but c'mon!
Quote from: Razgovory on November 18, 2012, 10:27:06 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 18, 2012, 10:03:41 PM
Never heard of them.
Threads was about a hideous mutant who is impregnated by her human boyfriend, and then is caught up in the events of a nuclear war. It is interesting compared to the The Day after though. The people in the post nuclear America look like they are better off then their grimy counterparts in Pre-nuclear Britain.
Threads ends with a new dark ages. Kansas seems totally depopulated by the end of The Day After.
Kansas is depopulated now. Besides at the end of the movie there are plenty of people alive. For instance, John Lithgow in Lawrence. Part of the movie also takes place in Sedalia, Missouri.
You ever read "Warday"? Same topic.
There's an entire afterwards to Threads about Britain returning to early 19th Century GNP, while the last scene of the movie is Lithgow asking the radio if anyone is alive. Most of the characters are visibly dying of radiation sickness.
Quote from: Queequeg on November 18, 2012, 11:23:50 PM
There's an entire afterwards to Threads about Britain returning to early 19th Century GNP, while the last scene of the movie is Lithgow asking the radio if anyone is alive. Most of the characters are visibly dying of radiation sickness.
Eh, there were government guys coming in giving farmers advice and shooting looters.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 18, 2012, 10:03:41 PM
Back in the day, before your fucked up no-attention-span generation arrived, television networks had this thing called "a major television event", and The Day After was one of them. Hyped to the max. When there were only three networks making them, people had no choice but to pay attention, and it was on a topical issue.
Cause being forced to watch whatever crap some tv execs decide to air is AWESOME.
Watched The Day After when I was a kid in the 80s - it was gut wrenching to me then and it is now. That said, it's happy fun land compared to the far more depressing Threads.
Watched When the Wind Blows a long time ago, but I recall it being rather heart rending to watch the elderly couple trying to "keep calm and carry on" in the aftermath of a nuclear war without really understanding what's going on around them. That it's done in cute animated form doesn't help.
I saw The Day After in the early 90s, had a big impact on me.
Of course, as Syt said, it is a Disney cartoon about happy bunnies compared to Threads, which is totally depressing. NOT recommended for people near suicide.
Didn't watch either. From the sound of it, it does not seem like fun. :P
Quote from: Martinus on November 19, 2012, 03:27:08 AM
Didn't watch either. From the sound of it, it does not seem like fun. :P
You really should watch Threads. It's an experience. Influenced by it, if nucular war comes, I'll probably race to the nearest high-prio target I know of, and camp at it's wall so I get disintegrated at the first moment, rather than messing with the whole surviving business.
When the wind blows was originally a graphic novel by Raymond Briggs. The elderly couple are supposed to be ultra-ordinary folk, there are millions like them. In many ways Briggs' novel was a response to a much derided government information campaign called Protect and Survive. That campaign would have us making safe areas under the dining room table, with a little stock of food and water, so that we could wait it out till the authorities had sorted everything out. Needless to say there were many mordant jokes about the government campaign and the general plan was not to prolong the suffering by hiding under the table with a packet of biscuits but to go out on the street and face East when the nuclear alert sounded.
I like Briggs' graphic novel a lot but it was written for people like me, there are many details and little jokes that might not amuse someone from a different country or time.........or maybe not, maybe the topic is universal enough to overcome that :hmm:
Well, our little town had its own little nuclear arsenal (battlefield nukes for use by artillery), so we had the comfort of knowing we'd have a big bulls-eye painted on our heads.
Of course, after the Cold War, when the more recent Soviet war plans became known it was a bit sobering. It seems there logic was:
- our conventional forces will steamroll NATO conventional forces
- this forces NATO to use nukes
- as this is inevitable we start the war with a large scale use of tactical nukes
According to a newspaper report at the time (a non-tabloid) there were a few dozen targets to be hit in Schleswig-Holstein (including our town), 200+ in Bavaria. There were targets in Austria, too, to prevent use of airfields or bridges by NATO. Two MT nukes were designated for Vienna's Danube bridges alone.
Threads is available on Youtube. The most grim of those mentioned IMO. Britain takes about 250 MT's worth of nukes, loses 90% plus of it's pre-war population and ekes out a medieval existence afterwards, that looks fairly rosy to me. The most chilling part for me is the Sheffield city council trying to enact the continuity of government protocols and what happens to those plans once the nukes land.
The original series of Survivors and the serialised Day Of The Triffids were the post-apocalyptic UK TV series of choice in the 70s - both were merely a metaphor for nuclear war rather than specifically about it.
I think the first post-nuclear documentary was The War Game which was recorded in the 60s but deemed too horrifying for TV until the 80s. We were shown some at school and it scared the shit out of me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_Game)
"In the 1980s The War Game was followed by such similarly themed films as The Day After (US ABC,TV film, 1983) and Threads (BBC, 1984), the latter of which particularly evoked Peter Watkins' style and delivery. The War Game itself finally saw television broadcast in the United Kingdom on BBC2 on 31 July 1985, as part of a special season of programming entitled After the Bomb (which was also Watkins' original working title for The War Game). After the Bomb commemorated the 40th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The broadcast was preceded by an introduction from British journalist Ludovic Kennedy."
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 19, 2012, 12:14:27 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 18, 2012, 10:03:41 PM
Back in the day, before your fucked up no-attention-span generation arrived, television networks had this thing called "a major television event", and The Day After was one of them. Hyped to the max. When there were only three networks making them, people had no choice but to pay attention, and it was on a topical issue.
Cause being forced to watch whatever crap some tv execs decide to air is AWESOME.
It was either "a major television event" or "a very special episode of", and you liked it.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 19, 2012, 06:47:03 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 19, 2012, 12:14:27 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 18, 2012, 10:03:41 PM
Back in the day, before your fucked up no-attention-span generation arrived, television networks had this thing called "a major television event", and The Day After was one of them. Hyped to the max. When there were only three networks making them, people had no choice but to pay attention, and it was on a topical issue.
Cause being forced to watch whatever crap some tv execs decide to air is AWESOME.
It was either "a major television event" or "a very special episode of", and you liked it.
It's a major award. I won it!
Quote from: Legbiter on November 19, 2012, 04:15:00 AM
Threads is available on Youtube. The most grim of those mentioned IMO. Britain takes about 250 MT's worth of nukes, loses 90% plus of it's pre-war population and ekes out a medieval existence afterwards, that looks fairly rosy to me. The most chilling part for me is the Sheffield city council trying to enact the continuity of government protocols and what happens to those plans once the nukes land.
I can see why you'd say that, but When the Wind Blows might have been the saddest viewing experience I've ever had. A perfectly normal, nice Greatest Generation couple, not particularly bright, that tries to treat Nuclear winter like the Blitz:something to be endured.
At the very least, When The Wind Blows is one of the most depressing animated movies I know, together with Grave Of The Fireflies (two children starve to death in WW2 Japan).
Yeah, the charm of WTWB was the way the elderly couple kept reflecting on WW2 and The Blitz the whole time. "This will probably all blow over, duckie." As the movie went on, it got darker and darker.
What was the BBC show about some Asians who mess up creating a germ than purposely spread it around the world so everyone is affected by it?
It used to come on randomly on the PBS station when I was a kid.
Quote from: Syt on November 19, 2012, 09:41:05 AM
At the very least, When The Wind Blows is one of the most depressing animated movies I know, together with Grave Of The Fireflies (two children starve to death in WW2 Japan).
Yeah, that's what I would compare it to as well.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 19, 2012, 06:47:03 AM
It was either "a major television event" or "a very special episode of", and you liked it.
Yup. And it dominated every conversation for a few weeks. I remember I was in 5th grade when The Day After aired and our teacher was almost drawn to tears when she had one of those "special talks" with us about it. Not that it was necessary-- we all got the point. I told her my takeaway was that we really needed a strong missile defense system and I don't think she liked that too much.
Remember Special Bulletin? That was the fake newscast that had domestic terrorists detonating a nuke in Charleston, SC of all places. I was actually in South Carolina at my aunt & uncle's place when it aired and it freaked my mom & her dimwit sisters out even though they knew it was fake.
Quote from: Strix on November 19, 2012, 11:41:47 AM
What was the BBC show about some Asians who mess up creating a germ than purposely spread it around the world so everyone is affected by it?
It used to come on randomly on the PBS station when I was a kid.
Survivors. :bowler:
Quote from: Queequeg on November 18, 2012, 09:32:23 PM
Was The Day After really as effective back in the day as I'd read it was? Apparently Reagan was moved by it. How about Threads and When the Wind Blows?
You have to understand the context of the time. People were terrified of nuclear war and nuclear weapons. Experts were counting down the minutes to midnight when nuclear war would break out by accident.
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2012, 12:22:54 PM
Remember Special Bulletin? That was the fake newscast that had domestic terrorists detonating a nuke in Charleston, SC of all places. I was actually in South Carolina at my aunt & uncle's place when it aired and it freaked my mom & her dimwit sisters out even though they knew it was fake.
Oh, yeah man. Now
that one scared the shit out of me. That one because of the homemade terrorism angle, but
Countdown to Looking Glass (http://youtu.be/yDwD4ns2gWA) was even more frightening: same motif--fake news--with the superpower showdown in the Persian Gulf after the Iranians closed the Straits of Hormuz. In 1984, that shit was waaay too close to possibility. With the reporter on the
USS Nimitz steaming to the Gulf to reopen it, and the Soviets responding? Yikes.
Those two films were a hell of a lot more effective--because they were a hell of a lot more plausible--than
The Day After, which I thought was incredibly stupid. So Kansas City gets melted, big deal. The Chiefs have sucked since the 60s.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 19, 2012, 01:58:32 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on November 18, 2012, 09:32:23 PM
Was The Day After really as effective back in the day as I'd read it was? Apparently Reagan was moved by it. How about Threads and When the Wind Blows?
You have to understand the context of the time. People were terrified of nuclear war and nuclear weapons. Experts were counting down the minutes to midnight when nuclear war would break out by accident.
Yeah...the early 80s, particularly '81 through '84, were pretty scary as far as the Cold War went. Between Reagan's hawkishness and the uncertainty about what the hell was going on in the Kremlin after Brezhnev's death--Andropov actually scared the piss out of Kremlinologists, and Chernyenko wasn't any easier to decipher--the early 80s were probably the scariest time over the concept of nuclear war since the early 60s.
I liked the dayton daily news insert soon after the movie was shown which described, in loving detail what would happen when 2 400kt nukes would hit wright patt afb. Scary shit, but us sixth graders got a giggle when the dayton mayor's eyeballs melted.
I remember some of the teachers having a cow over us kids reading it, especially since WPAFB was right next to town. WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE.
By Dawn's Early Light was good.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on November 19, 2012, 02:31:00 PM
By Dawn's Early Light was good.
My fave-rave WW3 flick. I'd ride to the Apocalypse with Powers Boothe in a B-52 anytime. STRAIGHT DOWN KARL MARX BOULEVARD BYE BYE BABY BABUSHKAS
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on November 19, 2012, 02:31:00 PM
By Dawn's Early Light was good.
Yuk. Only Rip Torn was good in it.
Personally, I was always partial to On the Beach (original).
Try Panic in Year Zero. Ed Anger recommended.
Quote from: Syt on November 19, 2012, 09:41:05 AM
At the very least, When The Wind Blows is one of the most depressing animated movies I know, together with Grave Of The Fireflies (two children starve to death in WW2 Japan).
Yeah, Grave of the Fireflies is pretty depressing. I had no idea what it was about when I watched it, which made it worse.
Quote from: Syt on November 19, 2012, 02:36:43 PM
Personally, I was always partial to On the Beach (original).
Yeah, saw that a year or so ago, it's a fine film.
That was a time when Hollywood could confidently do political/topically controversial stuff, without peeing it's pants about the reaction.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 19, 2012, 02:41:05 PM
Try Panic in Year Zero. Ed Anger recommended.
It's a cult classic.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 19, 2012, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on November 19, 2012, 02:31:00 PM
By Dawn's Early Light was good.
Yuk. Only Rip Torn was good in it.
:mad: :mad: :mad: Rebecca DeMornay was still hot, Nicolas Coster was SAC, and Dale was Harpoon. :mad: :mad: :mad:
You fucking strudel fuck.
Edit: And James Earl Jones. Strudel fuck.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 19, 2012, 02:41:05 PM
Try Panic in Year Zero. Ed Anger recommended.
Frankie Avalon :lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 19, 2012, 02:34:10 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on November 19, 2012, 02:31:00 PM
By Dawn's Early Light was good.
My fave-rave WW3 flick. I'd ride to the Apocalypse with Powers Boothe in a B-52 anytime. STRAIGHT DOWN KARL MARX BOULEVARD BYE BYE BABY BABUSHKAS
Anything with Powers Boothe is automatically good.
Which is a segue into the ultimate 80s Cold War movie: Red Dawn :punk:
Is it bad that I always get a twinge of wishing it were real when I watch these movies? I mean I obviously don't want it to happen, but there is an aspect to the whole society completely breaking down and I have to live on my wits part that is appealing to me. I also fantasize about being a colonist to a different planet for the same reason.
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2012, 03:16:29 PM
Which is a segue into the ultimate 80s Cold War movie: Red Dawn :punk:
I saw a commercial for the remake - who is going to be invading now?
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 19, 2012, 03:42:16 PM
Is it bad that I always get a twinge of wishing it were real when I watch these movies? I mean I obviously don't want it to happen, but there is an aspect to the whole society completely breaking down and I have to live on my wits part that is appealing to me.
That's all well and good, but hope for an epidemic or zombies, where shit is still left around intact, instead of a nuclear war wasteland. Jeez.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 19, 2012, 03:08:26 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 19, 2012, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on November 19, 2012, 02:31:00 PM
By Dawn's Early Light was good.
Yuk. Only Rip Torn was good in it.
:mad: :mad: :mad: Rebecca DeMornay was still hot, Nicolas Coster was SAC, and Dale was Harpoon. :mad: :mad: :mad:
You fucking strudel fuck.
Edit: And James Earl Jones. Strudel fuck.
Go easy on him...he just had childhood dreams of cutting off the head of the Soviet chicken. :P
Quote from: Tonitrus on November 19, 2012, 03:46:58 PM
Go easy on him...he just had childhood dreams of cutting off the head of the Soviet chicken. :P
:lol: Rip Torn's character was a total psycho in that. Must've worked for LeMay.
I also approve of the film's fine portrayal of the Air Force, and that the douchebag move is done by the Army (Rip Torn). :D
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 19, 2012, 03:44:13 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2012, 03:16:29 PM
Which is a segue into the ultimate 80s Cold War movie: Red Dawn :punk:
I saw a commercial for the remake - who is going to be invading now?
Chinese North Koreans :lol:
I'm not overly excited about it.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 19, 2012, 03:42:16 PM
Is it bad that I always get a twinge of wishing it were real when I watch these movies? I mean I obviously don't want it to happen, but there is an aspect to the whole society completely breaking down and I have to live on my wits part that is appealing to me. I also fantasize about being a colonist to a different planet for the same reason.
I know what you mean. But once you have kids it stops :mellow:
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2012, 03:53:15 PM
Chinese North Koreans :lol:
I'm not overly excited about it.
That is terrible.
Quote from: Tonitrus on November 19, 2012, 03:53:02 PM
I also approve of the film's fine portrayal of the Air Force, and that the douchebag move is done by the Army (Rip Torn). :D
Amen, the Zoomies saved the world.
Of course, it's the Navy with the theological conscience. They read too much.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 19, 2012, 03:55:15 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2012, 03:53:15 PM
Chinese North Koreans :lol:
I'm not overly excited about it.
That is terrible.
If the story is like that of the video game Homefront, it's semi-plausible. Or at least as plausible as it can possibly be. New, charismatic NK leader manages to unite the Koreas under his rule and goes all 21st Century Co-Prosperity Sphere on East Asia. A rising Korea eventually pounces on a weakened US that is reeling from economic and energy problems.
Originally the Chinese were the bad guys, but someone realized that would shut them out of the lucrative Chinese market, so they changed them to North Koreans in post-production.
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2012, 04:03:51 PM
Originally the Chinese were the bad guys, but someone realized that would shut them out of the lucrative Chinese market, so they changed them to North Koreans in post-production.
Faggot ass Hollywood cowards. Can't blame a union on this decision, though.
Besides, you'd think with the increased extroverted nationalism in China these days, the Ed Anger-Sans would spooge over the concept. PLA overtaking Seattle? Me Rikey!
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 19, 2012, 04:05:39 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2012, 04:03:51 PM
Originally the Chinese were the bad guys, but someone realized that would shut them out of the lucrative Chinese market, so they changed them to North Koreans in post-production.
Faggot ass Hollywood cowards. Can't blame a union on this decision, though.
Besides, you'd think with the increased extroverted nationalism in China these days, the Ed Anger-Sans would spooge over the concept. PLA overtaking Seattle? Me Rikey!
Maybe, dunno. Btw if you want some real fun, talk to a Russian who has seen Red Dawn. They bitch incessantly about bad dialogue & other supposed inaccuracies, but you know they're just pissed 'cuz their side is getting ripped up by a bunch of teenagers.
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2012, 04:10:17 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 19, 2012, 04:05:39 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2012, 04:03:51 PM
Originally the Chinese were the bad guys, but someone realized that would shut them out of the lucrative Chinese market, so they changed them to North Koreans in post-production.
Faggot ass Hollywood cowards. Can't blame a union on this decision, though.
Besides, you'd think with the increased extroverted nationalism in China these days, the Ed Anger-Sans would spooge over the concept. PLA overtaking Seattle? Me Rikey!
Maybe, dunno. Btw if you want some real fun, talk to a Russian who has seen Red Dawn. They bitch incessantly about bad dialogue & other supposed inaccuracies, but you know they're just pissed 'cuz their side is getting ripped up by a bunch of teenagers.
It was Cubans
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2012, 04:10:17 PM
Maybe, dunno. Btw if you want some real fun, talk to a Russian who has seen Red Dawn. They bitch incessantly about bad dialogue & other supposed inaccuracies, but you know they're just pissed 'cuz their side is getting ripped up by a bunch of teenagers.
Colonel Bella epitomized the best of the Castro Revolution. :wub:
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/11/red-dawn-wasnt-about-the-cold-war-it-was-about-shooting-people/265361/
Quote'Red Dawn' Wasn't About the Cold War; It Was About Shooting People
:P
Quote from: Syt on November 19, 2012, 04:37:41 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/11/red-dawn-wasnt-about-the-cold-war-it-was-about-shooting-people/265361/
Quote'Red Dawn' Wasn't About the Cold War; It Was About Shooting People
:P
I don't like that article.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 19, 2012, 03:55:15 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2012, 03:53:15 PM
Chinese North Koreans :lol:
I'm not overly excited about it.
That is terrible.
IIRC, it was the Chinese in the script and for much of the production, but then I guess they realized that would really tank their sales in China (or possibly endanger the prospects of other films by the company), so they made a switch.
... or did someone already make that point?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 19, 2012, 02:07:47 PM
Quote from: derspiess on November 19, 2012, 12:22:54 PM
Remember Special Bulletin? That was the fake newscast that had domestic terrorists detonating a nuke in Charleston, SC of all places. I was actually in South Carolina at my aunt & uncle's place when it aired and it freaked my mom & her dimwit sisters out even though they knew it was fake.
Oh, yeah man. Now that one scared the shit out of me. That one because of the homemade terrorism angle, but Countdown to Looking Glass (http://youtu.be/yDwD4ns2gWA) was even more frightening: same motif--fake news--with the superpower showdown in the Persian Gulf after the Iranians closed the Straits of Hormuz. In 1984, that shit was waaay too close to possibility. With the reporter on the USS Nimitz steaming to the Gulf to reopen it, and the Soviets responding? Yikes.
Those two films were a hell of a lot more effective--because they were a hell of a lot more plausible--than The Day After, which I thought was incredibly stupid. So Kansas City gets melted, big deal. The Chiefs have sucked since the 60s.
Countdown was the one I remembered.
Quote from: Syt on November 19, 2012, 04:37:41 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/11/red-dawn-wasnt-about-the-cold-war-it-was-about-shooting-people/265361/
Quote'Red Dawn' Wasn't About the Cold War; It Was About Shooting People
:P
It's a silly article. Of course Red Dawn was about the cold war. These weren't some faceless enemy, it was the Reds. They rounded up people and put them into political re-education centres!
The comments about how you could easily improve on the low-budget original are fair game, but there's a reason it's become a cult classic. And the damn dirty commies are part of that reason.
Quote from: Barrister on November 19, 2012, 05:04:21 PM
Quote from: Syt on November 19, 2012, 04:37:41 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/11/red-dawn-wasnt-about-the-cold-war-it-was-about-shooting-people/265361/
Quote'Red Dawn' Wasn't About the Cold War; It Was About Shooting People
:P
It's a silly article. Of course Red Dawn was about the cold war. These weren't some faceless enemy, it was the Reds. They rounded up people and put them into political re-education centres!
Beeb, what's up with you taking my posts so overly serious recently? Relax.
Quote from: Syt on November 19, 2012, 05:30:31 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 19, 2012, 05:04:21 PM
Quote from: Syt on November 19, 2012, 04:37:41 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/11/red-dawn-wasnt-about-the-cold-war-it-was-about-shooting-people/265361/
Quote'Red Dawn' Wasn't About the Cold War; It Was About Shooting People
:P
It's a silly article. Of course Red Dawn was about the cold war. These weren't some faceless enemy, it was the Reds. They rounded up people and put them into political re-education centres!
Beeb, what's up with you taking my posts so overly serious recently? Relax.
This is Red Dawn we are talking about. It isnt something silly like a beauty pageant contestant talking about removing her breasts.
Quote from: Syt on November 19, 2012, 05:30:31 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 19, 2012, 05:04:21 PM
Quote from: Syt on November 19, 2012, 04:37:41 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/11/red-dawn-wasnt-about-the-cold-war-it-was-about-shooting-people/265361/
Quote'Red Dawn' Wasn't About the Cold War; It Was About Shooting People
:P
It's a silly article. Of course Red Dawn was about the cold war. These weren't some faceless enemy, it was the Reds. They rounded up people and put them into political re-education centres!
Beeb, what's up with you taking my posts so overly serious recently? Relax.
I wasn't talking to you, I was discussing the article. And I knew you were joking in the other one, hence the attempted smilie :P
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Another oldie but a goodie. The Testament.
All-American housewife in a far-away suburb of San Francisco lives through WW3. No fancy buildup, warning, no nothing, an interrupted broadcast from the President on tv, followed by a brief flash as San Fran is nuked (along with the husband at work) and then you get to watch the town try to cope with the total isolation. Throw in infants, children and the old dying en masse from radiation poisoning, followed by the adults, etc. Film ends with the mother and her surviving children attempting suicide with carbon monoxide poisoning before she loses her nerve. Birthday party for one of the kids includes a candle on a Graham cracker.
I wish Powers Boothe would parachute into this tread and start strangling people.
Quote from: Jacob on November 19, 2012, 04:56:40 PM
... or did someone already make that point?
I'll let you have it :hug: