Man, fucked up. I can't imagine what finding something like that must feel like.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30779474/
QuoteDead boy found buried in playground sand
Police in Albuquerque, N.M., search park for evidence: 'Every minute counts'
updated 11 minutes ago
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. - Forensic experts searched a public park late into the night for evidence of who buried the body of a little boy in the playground's sand.
The investigation began Friday afternoon when a woman who took her children to the city park in Albuquerque spotted part of child's shoe sticking out of the sand. She called police.
Investigators later found the body of a boy they believe is between the ages of 3 and 5.
Forensic experts with the state's Office of the Medical Investigator told police the boy could not have been dead longer than 48 hours, police spokesman John Walsh said.
Police had received no reports of missing children in the day before the discovery, Albuquerque Police Chief Ray Schultz told a news conference. Schultz said the boy may be from the neighborhood surrounding Alvarado Park but wouldn't elaborate.
"This is one of those cases where I think every minute counts," Schultz said, appealing to the public for help.
Schultz would not say whether there were any wounds on the body.
The boy was wearing a red shirt with the image of a four-wheel drive truck on the front, black nylon pants with red stripes and black shoes.
Expect Little Boy Futures to fall through the floor on Monday.
Do you have to be so crass?
Yes.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 16, 2009, 10:20:17 AM
Do you have to be so crass?
Well that's the times we live in Tim.
Siegebreaker strikes again.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 16, 2009, 10:20:17 AM
Do you have to be so crass?
Do you have to be such a moron? The world is as it is.
Quote from: PDH on May 16, 2009, 11:08:09 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 16, 2009, 10:20:17 AM
Do you have to be so crass?
Do you have to be such a moron? The world is as it is.
Asking for a little respect for the dead, especially innocent children isn't too much to ask. I didn't shit all over Seedy's "rocks" thread even though he was a total dick in mine.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 16, 2009, 11:46:29 AM
Quote from: PDH on May 16, 2009, 11:08:09 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 16, 2009, 10:20:17 AM
Do you have to be so crass?
Do you have to be such a moron? The world is as it is.
Asking for a little respect for the dead, especially innocent children isn't too much to ask. I didn't shit all over Seedy's "rocks" thread even though he was a total dick in mine.
There's no way to acertain the innocence of the child.
I knew those things were dangerous.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 16, 2009, 11:46:29 AM
Quote from: PDH on May 16, 2009, 11:08:09 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 16, 2009, 10:20:17 AM
Do you have to be so crass?
Do you have to be such a moron? The world is as it is.
Asking for a little respect for the dead, especially innocent children isn't too much to ask. I didn't shit all over Seedy's "rocks" thread even though he was a total dick in mine.
My dead cat > Your dead kid.
Oh, please, who here hasn't tortured or killed a cat when they were little?
Quote from: DGuller on May 16, 2009, 02:24:33 PM
Oh, please, who here hasn't tortured or killed a cat when they were little?
Me.
Tortured or killed a kid when they were little? Now that's a different story.
Quote from: DGuller on May 16, 2009, 02:24:33 PM
Oh, please, who here hasn't tortured or killed a cat when they were little?
You were the only one here born in Russia.
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Oh, please, who here hasn't tortured or killed a cat when they were little?
You were the only one here born in Russia.
:lmfao:
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 16, 2009, 09:36:13 AM
I can't imagine what finding something like that must feel like.
The severe limits of your mental capabilities is nothing to bragg about.
Quote from: dps on May 16, 2009, 10:13:43 PM
The severe limits of your mental capabilities is nothing to bragg about.
Of all the threads, I never would've pegged this one to be ACW hijacked.
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 16, 2009, 09:36:13 AM
I can't imagine what finding something like that must feel like.
The severe limits of your mental capabilities is nothing to bragg about.
You really think you can understand how horrible finding a dead child would make you feel if you haven't encountered that situation before?
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The severe limits of your mental capabilities is nothing to bragg about.
Of all the threads, I never would've pegged this one to be ACW hijacked.
:lol:
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 16, 2009, 09:36:13 AM
I can't imagine what finding something like that must feel like.
The severe limits of your mental capabilities is nothing to bragg about.
You really think you can understand how horrible finding a dead child would make you feel if you haven't encountered that situation before?
Unfortunately for you, those of use who've actually seen dead kids don't hear the dramatic music or get the sweeping camera angles you must think happens when dead kids are seen.
It's certainly difficult to gauge the sensitivity topics around here, at times.
Ridicule a 5 year old buried in a playground. Cool.
Ridicule a danish soldier killed in the line of duty. Uncool.
Ridicule an afghani wedding blown to smithereens. Cool.
And so on and so forth.
Quote from: Slargos on May 17, 2009, 06:21:17 AM
It's certainly difficult to gauge the sensitivity topics around here, at times.
Ridicule a 5 year old buried in a playground. Cool.
Ridicule a danish soldier killed in the line of duty. Uncool.
Ridicule an afghani wedding blown to smithereens. Cool.
And so on and so forth.
Sorry if we don't fit into your little Kantian pigeonholes.
Quote from: Slargos on May 17, 2009, 06:21:17 AM
It's certainly difficult to gauge the sensitivity topics around here, at times.
Ridicule a 5 year old buried in a playground. Cool.
Ridicule a danish soldier killed in the line of duty. Uncool.
Ridicule an afghani wedding blown to smithereens. Cool.
And so on and so forth.
It can be cool to ridicule dead Danish soliders. Especially if C4 were still here.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 16, 2009, 11:46:29 AM
Asking for a little respect for the dead, especially innocent children isn't too much to ask. I didn't shit all over Seedy's "rocks" thread even though he was a total dick in mine.
Which dead are we supposed to respect? All of them? Do respect innocents that are American, or all innocents? Does every death require a moment of silence, or just ones that are in the news?
Oh, and you never answered my question.
Quote from: PDH on May 17, 2009, 02:01:14 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 16, 2009, 11:46:29 AM
Asking for a little respect for the dead, especially innocent children isn't too much to ask. I didn't shit all over Seedy's "rocks" thread even though he was a total dick in mine.
Which dead are we supposed to respect? All of them? Do respect innocents that are American, or all innocents? Does every death require a moment of silence, or just ones that are in the news?
Oh, and you never answered my question.
I like the system we have now.
Quote from: PDH on May 17, 2009, 02:01:14 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 16, 2009, 11:46:29 AM
Asking for a little respect for the dead, especially innocent children isn't too much to ask. I didn't shit all over Seedy's "rocks" thread even though he was a total dick in mine.
Which dead are we supposed to respect? All of them? Do respect innocents that are American, or all innocents? Does every death require a moment of silence, or just ones that are in the news?
Oh, and you never answered my question.
The innocent, nationality should not come into play. None require a moment of silence or anything like that, all I'm asking is that people refrain from being purposely insulting.
If you wish to view me as a moron you're free to do so, I as one would expect have a different opinion of myself.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 17, 2009, 02:23:55 PM
The innocent, nationality should not come into play. None require a moment of silence or anything like that, all I'm asking is that people refrain from being purposely insulting.
If you wish to view me as a moron you're free to do so, I as one would expect have a different opinion of myself.
So innocents who die and their news story gets posted should be respected. Sounds sort of selfish since there are many other innocents who never get news stories.
I just mock the poster, that way I respect the many who die and don't get a yahoo story.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 17, 2009, 12:05:49 AM
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 16, 2009, 09:36:13 AM
I can't imagine what finding something like that must feel like.
The severe limits of your mental capabilities is nothing to bragg about.
You really think you can understand how horrible finding a dead child would make you feel if you haven't encountered that situation before?
I can imagine what it would be like. My imagination might pale compared to the actual event, but unlike you, I'm not so mentally stunted that I can't conceive of it.
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 16, 2009, 09:36:13 AM
I can't imagine what finding something like that must feel like.
The severe limits of your mental capabilities is nothing to bragg about.
You really think you can understand how horrible finding a dead child would make you feel if you haven't encountered that situation before?
I can imagine what it would be like. My imagination might pale compared to the actual event, but unlike you, I'm not so mentally stunted that I can't conceive of it.
:rolleyes: Okay, you're just being difficult for the sake of being difficult.
Nobody is innocent.
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 16, 2009, 09:36:13 AM
I can't imagine what finding something like that must feel like.
The severe limits of your mental capabilities is nothing to bragg about.
You really think you can understand how horrible finding a dead child would make you feel if you haven't encountered that situation before?
I can imagine what it would be like. My imagination might pale compared to the actual event, but unlike you, I'm not so mentally stunted that I can't conceive of it.
:rolleyes: Okay, you're just being difficult for the sake of being difficult.
No, I'm not. You were just being all pansy-assed and shit about it. Grow up a little bit, for God's sake.
It sounds to me like if other kids killed this kid, probably even by accident, and buried him right there in the sand.
It sounds too stupid to be done by grownups.
But then again, some grown-ups are like CdM and Neil.
Quote from: Siege on May 17, 2009, 09:40:23 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 17, 2009, 08:59:33 PM
Nobody is innocent.
I am innocent.
Wrong. You murdered all those Palestinians. And then there's the child rapes.
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 16, 2009, 09:36:13 AM
I can't imagine what finding something like that must feel like.
The severe limits of your mental capabilities is nothing to bragg about.
You really think you can understand how horrible finding a dead child would make you feel if you haven't encountered that situation before?
I can imagine what it would be like. My imagination might pale compared to the actual event, but unlike you, I'm not so mentally stunted that I can't conceive of it.
:rolleyes: Okay, you're just being difficult for the sake of being difficult.
No, I'm not. You were just being all pansy-assed and shit about it. Grow up a little bit, for God's sake.
If you admit that your imagination pales in comparison to the actual event than you can't really conceive what it would be like can you. Our positions are not really different.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 17, 2009, 09:59:33 PM
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 17, 2009, 12:05:49 AM
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 16, 2009, 09:36:13 AM
I can't imagine what finding something like that must feel like.
The severe limits of your mental capabilities is nothing to bragg about.
You really think you can understand how horrible finding a dead child would make you feel if you haven't encountered that situation before?
I can imagine what it would be like. My imagination might pale compared to the actual event, but unlike you, I'm not so mentally stunted that I can't conceive of it.
:rolleyes: Okay, you're just being difficult for the sake of being difficult.
No, I'm not. You were just being all pansy-assed and shit about it. Grow up a little bit, for God's sake.
If you admit that your imagination pales in comparison to the actual event than you can't really conceive what it would be like can you. Our positions are not really different.
I said "might", because, well, it might. But on the other hand, I can imagine some pretty horrible things, so maybe it wouldn't be as bad as I imagine. In fact, most of the things I've been through in my life haven't been as bad as I'd imagined they'd be.
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Quote from: dps on May 17, 2009, 09:18:16 PM
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 16, 2009, 09:36:13 AM
I can't imagine what finding something like that must feel like.
The severe limits of your mental capabilities is nothing to bragg about.
You really think you can understand how horrible finding a dead child would make you feel if you haven't encountered that situation before?
I can imagine what it would be like. My imagination might pale compared to the actual event, but unlike you, I'm not so mentally stunted that I can't conceive of it.
:rolleyes: Okay, you're just being difficult for the sake of being difficult.
No, I'm not. You were just being all pansy-assed and shit about it. Grow up a little bit, for God's sake.
If you admit that your imagination pales in comparison to the actual event than you can't really conceive what it would be like can you. Our positions are not really different.
I said "might", because, well, it might. But on the other hand, I can imagine some pretty horrible things, so maybe it wouldn't be as bad as I imagine. In fact, most of the things I've been through in my life haven't been as bad as I'd imagined they'd be.
I imagine this might be the exception, although I imagine it not being the exception as well.
Crops your quotes, faggots.
Once again the education systems fails. Kids today should be taught to bury bodies deeper.
Quote from: Brazen on May 18, 2009, 05:44:25 AM
Once again the education systems fails. Kids today should be taught to bury bodies deeper.
at least 6 feet. More is better.
QuoteID of boy buried in NM playground still a mystery
By TIM KORTE – 17 hours ago
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) — Two days after the body of a small boy was found buried in the sand at a city park playground, stymied investigators focused Sunday on trying to find the child's relatives.
"We are looking for the person who was the primary caretaker of the child, whether it is a parent, a grandparent or guardian. That's our primary responsibility now," police spokesman John Walsh said.
There were no other developments, Walsh said.
A preliminary autopsy on Saturday provided no immediate clues about how the 3- to 5-year-old child died.
"There were no obvious signs or cause of death," Walsh said.
Walsh said the preliminary autopsy did determine that the child was either native American or Hispanic.
The body was found Friday by a woman who had taken her own children to the city's Alvarado Park and spotted a tiny shoe sticking out of the sand.
Police had received no reports of missing children in the 24 hours before the discovery. Forensic experts told police the boy could not have been dead longer than 48 hours.
Medical investigators planned blood and toxicology tests and more advanced pathology techniques to learn more about what happened to the boy.
People have left stuffed animals, toy trucks and flowers at the park as an informal memorial.
Wow, either the kid (or his parents) are illegals, or they themselves did it. :huh:
Quote from: Caliga on May 18, 2009, 07:15:45 AM
Wow, either the kid (or his parents) are illegals, or they themselves did it. :huh:
Or they were buried deeper.
This is a nasty story. What the heck? Bad enough to kill a child, but what was going on with the method to get rid of the body? Buried in shallow playground sand? Someone was going for some shock effect, or something.
me = SMRT.
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Police: Mom killed boy, buried him in playground sand
(CNN) -- A 23-year-old woman suffocated her son and then buried his body beneath the sand of a playground, police in Albuquerque, New Mexico, said Thursday.
Police arrested Tiffany Toribio about 4 a.m., just hours after they said they wanted to speak to her about her missing 3-year-old son, Ty.
Family members had contacted authorities, saying her son matched the description of a boy found Friday at an Albuquerque playground.
Police Chief Ray Schultz said she confessed to killing the boy soon after being apprehended.
"She placed her hand over her son's mouth and nose and suffocated him. She had second thoughts about what she did. She performed CPR on her son, brought him back to life and then decided to go forward with that original act she had started to commit," Schultz said.
"What makes this story especially sad is, when asked the reason why she took Ty's life, Tiffany said that she did not want him to grow up with no one caring about him, the same way that she had grown up where nobody had cared about her."
An emotional Schultz added that Toribio has tried to kill herself since her arrest. She was being held in isolation at a detention facility and kept under observation, he said.
He added, "As you can see, this case has been very emotional for everybody in the department."
Toribio was charged with first-degree murder and an array of other charges, including abuse of a child under 12 that caused death.
The discovery of the body at Alvarado Park on Friday shocked the community, which dubbed the boy "Baby Justice" and "Baby Angel" as they rallied around his case.
Police released a composite image of the boy Tuesday, hoping to garner more leads in the case. They weren't able to release a photo of the boy because his body was so disfigured by the sand's heat.
Schultz said that after killing her son, Toribio dug a hole under gym equipment at the playground, moved the body and buried him in the shallow grave.
"Since that time, she's been walking the streets of the city of Albuquerque," he said.
The boy was wearing Arizona brand clothing, size 3T: nylon black running pants with red stripes, a red shirt with a monster truck on it and black, gray and lime green Skechers sneakers.
Toribio did not comment Thursday morning after her arrest as she was put in a police car.
Schultz said there had been no reports of child abuse filed against Toribio. But he said family members indicated that she did not express the typical love of a mother for her child.
"She did not show the normal relationship that you would see with a mother, son," he said.
This week, police had gone to residences where she had lived previously, but she wasn't there, Schultz said. Police had gone there after family members expressed concern because "they did not like the way Ty was being treated," the police chief said.
I should become one of those phony psychics and prey on vulnerable people. :)
Quote from: Caliga on May 21, 2009, 01:19:52 PM
me = SMRT.
I should become one of those phony psychics and prey on vulnerable people. :)
Or you could become a real psychic and fight crime dressed up as a Roman centurion. :contract:
Damn, I fucking hate stories like that. Stupid tragedy.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 21, 2009, 01:23:31 PM
Or you could become a real psychic and fight crime dressed up as a Roman centurion. :contract:
I think I will join our two brilliant ideas together and become a phony psychic dressed up as a Roman centurion. MOVE OVER JEANNE DIXON :menace:
Quote from: Caliga on May 21, 2009, 01:19:52 PM
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"She placed her hand over her son's mouth and nose and suffocated him. She had second thoughts about what she did. She performed CPR on her son, brought him back to life and then decided to go forward with that original act she had started to commit," Schultz said.
At least he went quickly. :x
That sounds like total BS. I suspect she just made that up while being interrogated.
Quote from: KRonn on May 18, 2009, 09:50:32 AM
This is a nasty story. What the heck? Bad enough to kill a child, but what was going on with the method to get rid of the body? Buried in shallow playground sand? Someone was going for some shock effect, or something.
Digging in soil is hard work.
Quote from: Caliga on May 21, 2009, 02:07:50 PM
That sounds like total BS. I suspect she just made that up while being interrogated.
Why would she? It certainly doesn't earn her sympathy.
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Quote from: Caliga on May 21, 2009, 02:07:50 PM
That sounds like total BS. I suspect she just made that up while being interrogated.
Why would she? It certainly doesn't earn her sympathy.
Yeah, this all sounds adequately fucked up and depressing to be completely believable.
Hell, it's not like she is going to come up with a *good* reason to kill her 3 year old.
Quote from: DGuller on May 21, 2009, 02:10:02 PM
Why would she? It certainly doesn't earn her sympathy.
She's stupid and crazy, and thinks it does?
Quote from: Caliga on May 21, 2009, 03:05:57 PM
Quote from: DGuller on May 21, 2009, 02:10:02 PM
Why would she? It certainly doesn't earn her sympathy.
She's stupid and crazy, and thinks it does?
Might be laying the groundwork for an insanity defense.
Quote"What makes this story especially sad was when asked the reason why she took Ty's life, Tiffany said that she did not want him to grow up with no one caring about him the same way that she had grown up with no one caring about her," said Police Chief Ray Schultz, his eyes watery and his voice thick with emotion.
Well then, that solves that.
QuoteA single mother, Toribio had no criminal record or history of drug or alcohol abuse, the police chief said.
Always avoid single moms. Unfortunately, not so easy when you're the kid.
Quote from: dps on May 21, 2009, 09:04:17 PM
Might be laying the groundwork for an insanity defense.
I don't know enough about her to know for sure, but while that's possible, I think it more likely she merely did it to elicit sympathy from the police at the time she was under interrogation. It's not like we'll ever know anyway, since I doubt they can possibly tell from the autopsy whether or not she really "performed CPR".
Now that I think about it, I have great doubts that CPR can even do what she claims it did.
Quote from: DGuller on May 22, 2009, 08:20:43 AM
Now that I think about it, I have great doubts that CPR can even do what she claims it did.
I have great doubts she knows how to perform CPR, which is part of my hypothesis.
Quote from: Caliga on May 22, 2009, 06:45:39 AM
I doubt they can possibly tell from the autopsy whether or not she really "performed CPR".
Depends on what she did. CPR has a pretty solid track record of cracking ribs (up to 30% of heart attack victims where CPR was performed, in some studies), so there might well be something on the autopsy relevant.