One thing I did not quite get in the Petreaus affair, is why is he still a general, subject to US military rule while he is directing the CIA? Don't all military personal have to officially quit their military job before working for the CIA? Or is it only for non public figures?
Aka you haven't paid attention. :P
Quote from: garbon on November 15, 2012, 11:22:17 PM
Aka you haven't paid attention. :P
No, I don't believe he has been.
Petreaus is now retired, Viper. DCIA is a civilian position.
Quote from: viper37 on November 15, 2012, 11:21:11 PM
One thing I did not quite get in the Petreaus affair, is why is he still a general, subject to US military rule while he is directing the CIA? Don't all military personal have to officially quit their military job before working for the CIA? Or is it only for non public figures?
He was playing "hide the salami" while on active service.
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Definitely catch tonight's Colbert Report; it was a classic.
So what's the story with Chick 2, was he boning her as well?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 16, 2012, 12:07:07 AM
So what's the story with Chick 2, was he boning her as well?
Chick 1 was harrassing chick 2
Chick 2 told shirtless friend in fbi
Meanwhile General 2 was email sexting chick 2
FBI stumbled on petras..............WHO CARES
I THINK
Hilarious watching two married women in a catfight over a married man.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 16, 2012, 12:12:14 AM
Hilarious watching two married women in a catfight over a married man.
and chick 2 tried to claim diplomatic status.
Oh and chick 2 is of middleeastern decsent
Interesting piece on Broadwell, climber and not-so-honest resume-polisher:
QuotePaula Broadwell's drive and resilience hit obstacles
The Washington Post
By Greg Jaffe and Anne Gearan, Published: November 15
Paula Broadwell was a rising star who seemed destined for a sparkling career in foreign policy. A West Point graduate who excelled in triathlons, she was pursuing a doctorate at Harvard University and had found a mentor in Gen. David H. Petraeus, an iconic U.S. military leader.
But in 2007, Broadwell was asked to leave the doctoral program at Harvard, where she had met Petraeus a year earlier, because her coursework did not meet the university's demanding standards, according to people familiar with what happened there.
What Broadwell did next was a signature feature of her resilience and drive — and what detractors say is her tendency to overstate her credentials.
Broadwell eventually leveraged her unfinished dissertation into a best-selling biography of Petraeus, a project that gave her almost unlimited access to the general when he commanded U.S. troops in Afghanistan and later when he was director of the CIA. That access led to the extramarital affair that upended Petraeus's career and shined a bright light on Broadwell's.
A few months after leaving Harvard in 2008, Broadwell began a full-bore effort to remake herself as a highly visible player in Washington's insular foreign policy community. At the time, she and her husband, a radiologist, were raising toddlers and preparing to move to Charlotte, where he was setting up his practice.
In the summer of 2009, Broadwell told several prominent experts on counterinsurgency warfare that she had been asked by Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the newly installed commander in Afghanistan, to assemble a team of first-tier academics and experts to conduct an outside evaluation of McChrystal's highly anticipated review of his war strategy.
She pressed experts in Washington and Cambridge, Mass., to join the panel and lobbied senior U.S. military officials in Kabul to back her fledgling "red team" effort, military jargon for an outsider evaluation. The prospective team held a couple of meetings, according to one person who was involved.
But senior military officials who were on McChrystal's staff said Broadwell was not asked to spearhead an evaluation. The officials, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss Broadwell and Petraeus, said her attempt to assemble a red-team review panel was rejected after McChrystal's aides decided that her experience, her connections and her academic credentials were too thin.
"She was trying to pull together something way over her head," said Mark R. Jacobson, a former deputy NATO senior civilian representative in Afghanistan whom Broadwell approached to serve on the team. Jacobson said he admired Broadwell's pluck. "It was the kind of move you make in Washington when you are trying to make a name," he said.
Others who had been approached to be part of the group said they questioned her assurances that she had the backing of top military officials. In a 2010 interview on a Web site focused on leadership, Broadwell was still saying that McChrystal had asked her to assemble the leadership team.
Broadwell, 40, has not responded to e-mail and telephone messages since the Petraeus scandal broke last week. Her attorney, Robert F. Muse, did not respond to a request for comment on the specific information in this article. Harvard declined to comment on Broadwell's time there.
Going to Afghanistan
Broadwell eventually found her way to Afghanistan. In June 2010, President Obama removed McChrystal as commander because of comments his aides made to a journalist. The president turned to Petraeus to replace him.
Throughout his career, Petraeus had developed a reputation as an intensely competitive and talented officer who sometimes came off as desperate for praise. He could be a generous mentor to junior officers, but he often alienated his peers with his determination to win every prize and award, no matter how insignificant. The general's staff officers said that Broadwell played to Petraeus's ego.
Petraeus, 60, has told friends in recent days that he admired Broadwell's "combination of intellect and physical prowess," said retired Col. Peter Mansoor. "She looks like a female version of him in some respects," Mansoor said.
Broadwell stayed in touch with Petraeus as part of her research. She visited him at U.S. Central Command headquarters in Tampa, where he served as commander before being assigned to Afghanistan.
When Petraeus moved to Kabul, Broadwell began making regular trips to the war zone. By then, she had decided to turn her academic research into a book about Petraeus, and her access to him helped her win a six-figure book deal — and a way into the elite foreign policy circles in Washington.
Broadwell was born in Bismarck, N.D. As a high school student there, she dreamed of a career as a globe-trotting diplomat. She was homecoming queen in 1990, and she excelled in track, basketball and orchestra. "God has given me all of these gifts to use to the best of my ability," she said in a yearbook entry.
She was appointed to the U.S. Military Academy, graduated in 1995, and served five years as an active-duty intelligence officer in Europe and South Korea. She remained an active-duty officer until 2000, when she transferred to the Army Reserve and rose to the rank of lieutenant colonel.
Some of her classmates and other reservists, who later spent time fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, complained that Broadwell was being treated as a counterinsurgency expert without ever having been deployed to a combat zone.
Others praised her for using her contacts and tireless energy to help other women navigate the male-dominated world of foreign policy and balance family with work.
In e-mails to friends, she talked about the strains of her frequent trips to Afghanistan. "The only way I can survive is because of my awesome husband and my mother," she wrote in 2011. "Everybody is getting tired of it and I have a serious sleep deficit, but I'm having a blast! No complaints."
Meeting at Harvard
Broadwell first met Petraeus in 2006 when she was a 33-year-old student at Harvard's Kennedy School. She was invited to a small-group discussion with the general, who had recently completed his second tour of Iraq and was rewriting the Army's guide to fighting guerrilla wars.
"I introduced myself to then-Lt. Gen. Petraeus and told him about my research interests," she would write in her book, "All In: The Education of Gen. David Petraeus." She said the general handed her his business card and offered to put her in touch with other researchers working on similar issues. "I later discovered that he was famous for this type of mentoring and networking, especially with aspiring soldiers-scholars," she wrote.
While pursuing her doctorate at Harvard, Broadwell decided to write her dissertation on military leadership, which would include a long case study on Petraeus. After several e-mail exchanges, Petraeus, an avid runner, invited her to discuss her project during a run along the Potomac River.
When she was later asked to leave Harvard's doctoral program, Broadwell completed a master's degree there in 2008 and then picked up her doctoral studies at King's College London.
In Washington, she became a frequent television guest and speaker at conferences sponsored by some of Washington's most prestigious foreign policy think tanks.
Broadwell's "contribution was based on a close relationship with and close observation of Petraeus in Afghanistan. That was her currency and what drew the attention of the Washington policy community," said John A. Nagl, a Petraeus loyalist and former president of the Center for a New American Security. "It was a very unique story. . . . She had begun to transcend the Petraeus relationship and was being sought out on her own as a smart, attractive and poised speaker."
She wrote combat dispatches on Foreign Policy magazine's Web site and made frequent appearances at think tank events as an expert on counterinsurgency, Petraeus and the Afghan war.
"The level of access she got with the level of experience she had was exactly the sort of thing that makes people in Washington jealous," said Jacobson, the NATO deputy, who worked with Broadwell in Afghanistan and Washington. "She had an opportunity that many in Washington dream of. She was playing with the big boys and girls."
A 'higher standard'
Broadwell's book was published in January 2012, and she launched a big publicity tour that included an appearance on "The Daily Show With Jon Stewart." In speeches and interviews touting the book and her life, she talked about her access to Petraeus and her accomplishments. The New York Times and Inspired Women Magazine reported after interviews with Broadwell that she was ranked No. 1 overall in fitness in her class at West Point.
A spokesman at the military academy said Thursday that Broadwell did not win the fitness award, which went to another female cadet in her graduating class.
As Broadwell's profile in Washington soared, she picked up many backers and won plaudits for her work raising money for charities that provided aid to wounded veterans.
"She was a networker, a facilitator, a convener," Jacobson said. "I think she is a good person who made a horrible mistake."
Petraeus has told former staff officers and friends that his affair with Broadwell did not begin until he retired from the military and joined the CIA in September 2011.
In July 2012, Broadwell appeared on a media panel at the Aspen Security Forum. "I was embedded with General Petraeus in Afghanistan," she said. She acknowledged that her dual role as a biographer and a military reservist with the highest top-secret clearances allowed her to view "secure compartmentalized intelligence" and caused confusion for some in Petraeus's headquarters, who saw her as a journalist.
Before the panel discussion began, she warned journalists on it about the dangers of leaking classified material and e-mailed them a report from the conservative American Enterprise Institute detailing the five most damaging security leaks of the past year.
On the panel, she said, she though that she was often held to a "higher standard, because I could lose my clearance."
Shortly before her appearance at the conference, Broadwell became the target of an FBI investigation that was sparked by anonymous e-mails she had sent to a woman in Tampa warning her to stay away from Petraeus. The investigation exposed the affair between Petraeus and Broadwell.
As part of the investigation, FBI agents discovered low-level classified material on Broadwell's personal computer. On Wednesday, the Army announced the suspension of her clearance.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 15, 2012, 11:26:24 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 15, 2012, 11:22:17 PM
Aka you haven't paid attention. :P
No, I don't believe he has been.
Petreaus is now retired, Viper. DCIA is a civilian position.
I thought so, but in the news here they keep saying he could face punishment for an extra-marital affair as it's against the code of conduct of the military.
So they didn't pay enough attention and misinformed me. :P
I haven't had the time to read the US newspapers, so I don't really know. But it's ok then, things are as I figured them.
Quote from: viper37 on November 16, 2012, 09:06:20 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 15, 2012, 11:26:24 PM
Quote from: garbon on November 15, 2012, 11:22:17 PM
Aka you haven't paid attention. :P
No, I don't believe he has been.
Petreaus is now retired, Viper. DCIA is a civilian position.
I thought so, but in the news here they keep saying he could face punishment for an extra-marital affair as it's against the code of conduct of the military.
So they didn't pay enough attention and misinformed me.
I haven't had the time to read the US newspapers, so I don't really know. But it's ok then, things are as I figured them.
They did pay attention. If the affair started while he was still in the military, he could face punishment from them.
Quote from: garbon on November 16, 2012, 09:16:34 AM
They did pay attention. If the affair started while he was still in the military, he could face punishment from them.
He said it didn't start until he retired. Either he's telling the truth, or covering his ass. Hmmmm.
Quote from: garbon on November 16, 2012, 09:16:34 AM
They did pay attention. If the affair started while he was still in the military, he could face punishment from them.
I thought it was clear it started while he was at the CIA.
From what I've read it started while he was still in the military and he's covering his ass. Which is why the military may court martial him.
Quote from: viper37 on November 16, 2012, 10:10:15 AM
Quote from: garbon on November 16, 2012, 09:16:34 AM
They did pay attention. If the affair started while he was still in the military, he could face punishment from them.
I thought it was clear it started while he was at the CIA.
Nope as after all she first was chatting with him before then. He's said that it started then but words are cheap.
We know since Clinton that a blowjob isn't a sexual relation, so I'd say chatting isn't a relation :P
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 16, 2012, 12:07:07 AM
So what's the story with Chick 2, was he boning her as well?
The story?
Petraeus's wife looks like she's his mother. She hasn't passed a boner test since the Johnson administration by the looks of it. As a high-status male he fucked more feminine women and got caught. The end.
Quote from: Legbiter on November 16, 2012, 01:38:55 PM
As a high-status male he fucked more feminine women and got caught.
Younger and better looking. Not more feminine from the sounds of it.
Quote from: Legbiter on November 16, 2012, 01:38:55 PM
Petraeus's wife looks like she's his mother. She hasn't passed a boner test since the Johnson administration by the looks of it. As a high-status male he fucked more feminine women and got caught. The end.
More like he was a dumbass. He should have known that fucking more women, being that high-status, never stay a secret in this tabloid celebrity-era unless the OW has significantly more to lose from revealing it than keeping it shut.
Quote from: Drakken on November 16, 2012, 01:47:23 PM
More like he was a dumbass. He should have known that fucking more women, being that high-status, never stay a secret in this tabloid celebrity-era unless the OW has significantly more to lose from revealing it than keeping it shut.
Bah, if Israel had cashiered Moshe Dayan out of the IDF because of extra-marital affairs the State of Israel wouldn't exist on the map today. Mormon eunuch androids make poor generals.
Quote from: Legbiter on November 16, 2012, 01:57:20 PM
Bah, if Israel had cashiered Moshe Dayan out of the IDF because of extra-marital affairs the State of Israel wouldn't exist on the map today. Mormon eunuch androids make poor generals.
That was then, when there was a lot of social stigma to being publicly known as a cheater and a homewrecker. It was still the 60s and 70s', when being a man in a position of power validated having
goomahs, and OWs had reasons to shut up because publicly revealing being the other woman (plus being a cheating wife herself if she was married) weighted heavier on her personal reputation than the benefits.
The mores now are different. Nowadays, these kinds of affair partners can flout it publicly with next to no consequences when the boat starts to sink. Even casual flings with groupies are now a risk for celebrities as they often brag and can use their iPhones for evidence gathering to send at TMZ. When a scandal emerges they get handsomely paid (by the tabloids and newscasters) for their "exclusive" interviews, and in addition they become instant nightlife celebrities because opening their legs for a "high-status males" is now good enough reason to be in the news.
And before I get accused of being sexist, it goes both ways : no one gave a fuck about Rick Salomon before he slept with Paris Hilton and leaked the sex tapes, and Tommy Lee was only the has-been drummer of a group of hair metal on the down low before he became a household name with his "relationship" with Pamela Anderson (the difference being in the latter case that she was 100% into leaking it). While these aren't affairs per se, they still demonstrate how much sex with the right "high-status" people sells and can make you a star on your own.
Quote from: Drakken on November 16, 2012, 02:23:08 PM
social stigmata
Are those like stigmata but "down there"?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 16, 2012, 12:01:22 AM
Definitely catch tonight's Colbert Report; it was a classic.
:yes:
According to Yahoo News, DoJ prosecutors are recommending that criminal charges be filed against Petreaus.
Wow. Good for the DoJ.
Is this still about his mistress? :huh:
It's about his handling of confidential and classified material, that just so happened to involve his mistress.
QuoteJill Kelley e-mails depict a striving Tampa socialite and a smitten military brass
By Craig Whitlock
Washington Post
February 3 at 6:49 PM
Judging from her e-mails, Jill Kelley was star-struck by the big-name military commanders rotating between the war zones in the Middle East and her home town of Tampa. And they were equally smitten with her.
"Everyone thinks you're a RockStar!" Kelley gushed in a 2012 e-mail to Marine Gen. James N. Mattis, then commander of all U.S. military forces in the Middle East. "We agreed how amazing it must be that you're single-handedly re-writing history," she added, recalling how she had sung the general's praises to several foreign ambassadors at the Republican National Convention that August in Tampa.
After another social event, she wrote a similar mash note to Mattis's deputy, Vice Adm. Robert S. Harward. "What a Leader you were to these heads of State," she enthused. "You ROCK!!!"
Replied Harward: "YOU ROCK MORE!"
In late 2012, Kelley's talent as a Tampa hostess and her knack for charming men in uniform indirectly triggered one of the most embarrassing national security scandals of the past decade. Among other casualties, the fallout led to the forced resignation of CIA Director David H. Petraeus — a former four-star Army general — and the early retirement of Marine Gen. John Allen, the commander of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan.
Kelley's chumminess with Petraeus and the military brass had attracted the notice of the spymaster's biographer and mistress, Paula Broadwell. She bad-mouthed Kelley in anonymous e-mails to military officials and others, according to federal investigators and a lawsuit filed by Kelley. The FBI got involved. Petraeus quit in disgrace. Allen retired.
The case still has not been entirely resolved. The Justice Department is deciding whether to charge Petraeus with leaking classified material to his lover. He has denied doing so.
Long after the scandal broke, it remains unclear what exactly prompted Broadwell to view Kelley as a rival. Kelley has said the two never met and that she never had an affair with Petraeus, Allen or anyone else.
Nor has anyone fully explained why Allen, while busy overseeing the war in Afghanistan, exchanged a blizzard of correspondence with Kelley — between 20,000 and 30,000 pages of e-mails, according to some senior defense officials. Other officials have said that figure includes many duplicate notes and exaggerates the extent of their communications, adding that there were only about 300 total e-mails.
The Defense Department inspector general investigated and concluded in 2013 that Allen had not committed any wrongdoing. But it has kept its report and all of Allen's e-mails under lock and key.
Now, a glimpse into Kelley's relationship with military commanders has emerged from another, previously undisclosed batch of e-mails: her correspondence with Mattis, a legendary Marine, and Harward, a Navy SEAL, from when they served as the top two officers at U.S. Central Command headquarters in Tampa. The Washington Post requested the e-mails in November 2012 under the Freedom of Information Act. More than two years later, after numerous unexplained delays, the Pentagon released 238 pages of heavily censored documents.
The unredacted portions of the e-mails — from Mattis's and Harward's government e-mail accounts — contain no evidence of improper behavior. But taken together, the records depict two wartime commanders who were easy marks for the flattery of an exuberant socialite. "I wish that we could clone a couple thousand of you, but the land is likely not ready for that big an impact," Mattis told Kelley in a Jan. 31, 2012, e-mail.
Mattis and Harward, who have since retired from the military, did not respond to multiple requests for comment.
Kelley, 39, who still lives in Tampa, referred questions to her attorney, Alan C. Raul of Washington. He released a statement that read, in part: "The latest set of e-mails made public by the government simply confirms that Jill Kelley is and was a talented, civic-minded woman doing productive work as Honorary Ambassador to Central Command in Tampa and as Honorary Consul for the Republic of Korea."
"Nonetheless," he added, "continued unauthorized government release of the Kelleys' e-mails exposes them to further unjustified embarrassment and injury."
A relative newcomer on Tampa's social scene, Kelley and her husband, Scott, hosted events at their mansion for military officers from nearby MacDill Air Force Base, home of Central Command headquarters. The e-mails show how Kelley was eager to deepen and formalize the relationship, urging the brass to bestow on her the title of honorary ambassador for Central Command and the U.S.-led military coalition in Afghanistan and the Middle East.
"Sooooooooo.....Did you and Jim finally decide to make me your 'official' CentCom ambassador?????" Kelley asked Harward on Jan. 12, 2012. "Please! Please! Please! I always wanted to be an Ambassador, since I was made to be a 'catalyst' — that helps build or facilitate Foreign relations."
Harward gave a teasing reply: "We'll have to put you through the vetting process and interviews to ensure you have the right attributes!"
She passed muster soon enough. On April 19, Harward hosted an official recognition ceremony and reception in which Kelley was anointed "United States Central Command and Coalition Honorary Ambassador."
Mattis was tied up in Baghdad and couldn't attend. Kelley, who is of Lebanese descent, e-mailed him afterward with a narrative of the event. She described how she gave a speech, partly in Arabic, and did her best to make a good diplomatic impression with VIPs from Middle Eastern countries.
"I gave my commitment . . . as the Ambassador, to make it my priority to advance global trust, international exchange, and camaraderie within the Command," she wrote. "But most importantly I thanked Gen Mattis for his priceless support and glorius leadership. I said, without him, this would not be a reality!"
She added: "Harward also spoke — really flattering words about 'Madame Ambassador' He explained how they decided to designate this new position — and why the CentCom unilaterally chose me. :) (which was very humbling to hear in front of a million guys)"
A medical researcher and the mother of three young children, Kelley found her niche as a networker, volunteering her time to arrange dinners, charity functions and other events in Tampa and Washington. Her ebullient personality stood out in military and diplomatic circles, catching attention from some unexpected corners.
In January 2012, for example, the South Korean Embassy in Washington informed Kelley that she had been selected to become an honorary consul. Even though she knew little about the country, she accepted the title with gusto.
"YES!!!! Honorary Consul General. I'm soooooo excited about the humbling honor," she wrote to Mattis on Jan. 31 to inform him of her appointment. "It's ironic that I get the request from the state of Korea — which is NOT my expertise. However as a lover of International Politics/Foreign Affairs, I do find the Korean Statehood quite interesting . . . (I'm a lover of conflict problem solving, and have a keen sense of seeking opportunities in chaos.)."
While Kelley's appointments as ambassador and consul general were honorary positions, the e-mails indicate she was eager to become a diplomatic player.
In July and August 2012, she informed Harward in a series of notes that she had received an official invitation from the parliament of Afghanistan to visit Kabul. In correspondence with State Department officials, she emphasized that her planned visit to Kabul had the backing of Allen, the U.S. general in charge of military operations in Afghanistan.
"I am honored by their petition of me, and would be humbled to serve the request to foster, promote and proliferate future relations and agreements with the Members of Parliament," Kelley wrote in an Aug. 27 e-mail to an unidentified State Department official, which was copied to Allen. "As I stated in our conversation, COMISAF John Allen is well aware of the invitation by Parliament, and is in support of my visit to Kabul." Kelley's attorney did not respond to a query about whether she went on the trip.
As she embraced her honorary roles, Kelley also became protective of her diplomatic turf. The tone of her cheery, solicitous e-mails changed abruptly in early July 2012 after an unidentified NATO official informed her matter-of-factly that three other coalition ambassadors had been appointed and would be attending a French-sponsored Bastille Day party.
"Bob," she e-mailed Harward minutes later. "WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT??? You never informed me of '3' other Honorary Ambassadors??????"
When Harward replied that he would check into the matter, Kelley fumed some more. "Please call . . . and make it very clear that you are NOT supporting this," she wrote. "These NATO guys manipulate passive behavior . . . Clearly, I'm offended, and not standing up for this . . . Please address this today, and kill this for once and for all."
Kelley's diplomatic career crumbled a few months later — not because of her perceived NATO rivals but because of the FBI's investigation into Broadwell's anonymous e-mails and the ripples from Petraeus's downfall.
Although Kelley was never accused of wrongdoing, her name and her unusual niche in the national-security establishment were quickly publicized by the news media. In 2013, she sued the FBI and the Defense Department, asserting that her privacy rights had been violated by officials who leaked her name and personal information to reporters.
The federal government has sought to dismiss the case, but a judge has ruled that the lawsuit can proceed in U.S. District Court in Washington.
Link to, like OMG, pubescent emails:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/02/03/you-rock-excerpts-of-e-mail-conversations-between-a-tampa-socialite-and-two-high-ranking-military-officials/
This is about Zerobama and Holder sticking it to GEN Betrayus.
Adults should never write emails like that. :yucky:
Quote from: Siege on February 04, 2015, 01:03:06 PM
This is about Zerobama and Holder sticking it to GEN Betrayus.
I can see how improper use of official documents hits sorta close to home.
I used to respect Jill Kelly. :(
Graham Greene warned us about the dangers of being an Honorary Consul some time ago...
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on February 04, 2015, 09:41:47 PM
Graham Greene warned us about the dangers of being an Honorary Consul some time ago...
The hell does Kicking Bird have to do with anything
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 04, 2015, 09:45:28 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on February 04, 2015, 09:41:47 PM
Graham Greene warned us about the dangers of being an Honorary Consul some time ago...
The hell does Kicking Bird have to do with anything
A gay name if i ever seen one.
Avatar, I assume?