http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9589732/Mass-rally-in-Venice-to-call-for-independence-from-Italy.html
How auspiciously timed! The level of support seems quite high, and momentum is on their side.
All throughout Europe, political events seem to be going wonderfully. :)
The North will rise again! :ph34r:
:bleeding:
These "independence movements" are just a roundabout way to try to dump their debt and escape. It's like rats running from a burning building.
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The "Repubblica Veneta", as it would be known, would encompass about five million people.
Only morons would give up the chance of calling themselves "Serenissima Repubblica"
Are these those fascists Northern League guys?
Quote from: Razgovory on November 06, 2012, 06:58:28 AM
Are these those fascists Northern League guys?
In all but name. It being Italy, there have to be splinter groups and endless infighting to make sure nothing will be achieved.
Italy can't even screw things up right.
QuoteIt may sound crazy but I think Veneto will become independent before Scotland or Catalonia.
That makes sense to me. Unlike those others, Venice's glory days were spent as an independent entity.
:bleeding:
It is like the Europeans are trying to destroy themselves.
Quote from: Valmy on November 06, 2012, 08:24:36 AM
:bleeding:
It is like the Europeans are trying to destroy themselves.
That is sort of their way, isn't it?
Quote from: Razgovory on November 06, 2012, 08:28:22 AM
Quote from: Valmy on November 06, 2012, 08:24:36 AM
:bleeding:
It is like the Europeans are trying to destroy themselves.
That is sort of their way, isn't it?
:lol:
QuoteThe "Repubblica Veneta", as it would be known, would encompass about five million people.
That's more people than many EU countries can boast.
Will they seize the Dalmatian coast? Will they be ready for the Aztec onslaught?
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 06, 2012, 06:04:07 AM
These "independence movements" are just a roundabout way to try to dump their debt and escape. It's like rats running from a burning building.
It's the rich regions that have secession movements. It's Catalonia and Veneto, not Andalucia and Sicily. This looks more like anger at bailing out their fellow countrymen and having to suffer to pay for it. I do wonder if there's a few countries with less national solidarity than the Germans have European solidarity.
And the magic of the EU makes it all possible.
Quote from: Sheilbh on November 06, 2012, 11:27:38 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 06, 2012, 06:04:07 AM
These "independence movements" are just a roundabout way to try to dump their debt and escape. It's like rats running from a burning building.
It's the rich regions that have secession movements. It's Catalonia and Veneto, not Andalucia and Sicily. This looks more like anger at bailing out their fellow countrymen and having to suffer to pay for it. I do wonder if there's a few countries with less national solidarity than the Germans have European solidarity.
Doesn't explain Quebec independence though. Nor Scottish independence. :hmm:
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Quote from: celedhring
Only morons would give up the chance of calling themselves "Serenissima Repubblica"
:yes:
Quote from: Barrister on November 06, 2012, 11:34:02 AM
Doesn't explain Quebec independence though. Nor Scottish independence. :hmm:
Those are just unresolved Daddy issues.
Quebec independence makes a lot more sense, you folks have let them keep a separate culture all along.
Quote from: Sheilbh on November 06, 2012, 11:27:38 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 06, 2012, 06:04:07 AM
These "independence movements" are just a roundabout way to try to dump their debt and escape. It's like rats running from a burning building.
It's the rich regions that have secession movements. It's Catalonia and Veneto, not Andalucia and Sicily. This looks more like anger at bailing out their fellow countrymen and having to suffer to pay for it. I do wonder if there's a few countries with less national solidarity than the Germans have European solidarity.
Catalonia's independence had always scored 30-35% in the polls until it soared to 50% with the financial crisis, so you have a point there. However, 35% baseline has always looked like a lot to me.
And I'm not sure you can put down Scotland in that category.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 06, 2012, 11:37:46 AM
Quebec independence makes a lot more sense, you folks have let them keep a separate culture all along.
Concur.
And it does explain Quebec, BB. It's the wealthiest part of Canada. Without it, the rest of Canada is just a big fucking national park.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 06, 2012, 12:14:49 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 06, 2012, 11:37:46 AM
Quebec independence makes a lot more sense, you folks have let them keep a separate culture all along.
Concur.
And it does explain Quebec, BB. It's the wealthiest part of Canada. Without it, the rest of Canada is just a big fucking national park.
:rolleyes:
http://www.zurich-base-line.com/cn_gdp_pc_nation_data.html
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 06, 2012, 09:48:45 AM
Will they seize the Dalmatian coast? Will they be ready for the Aztec onslaught?
More importantly, will they loot Istanbul?
Quote from: Solmyr on November 06, 2012, 12:35:48 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 06, 2012, 09:48:45 AM
Will they seize the Dalmatian coast? Will they be ready for the Aztec onslaught?
More importantly, will they loot Istanbul?
I want to know whether they will retake Crete
Quote from: Barrister on November 06, 2012, 12:20:23 PM
:rolleyes:
http://www.zurich-base-line.com/cn_gdp_pc_nation_data.html
Per Capita. Pfft. Don't gimme that, that's a shoddy statistic to use, particularly with less people in the Northwest Territories than the capacity of the SkyDome, compared to 7.9M Quebecois.
1 OUT OF 1 ARE CAT OWNERS IN MY CONDO SO I WIN
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 06, 2012, 12:38:58 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on November 06, 2012, 12:35:48 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 06, 2012, 09:48:45 AM
Will they seize the Dalmatian coast? Will they be ready for the Aztec onslaught?
More importantly, will they loot Istanbul?
I want to know whether they will retake Crete
That would be an ingenious solution to the political impasse on Crete...
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 06, 2012, 12:41:09 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 06, 2012, 12:20:23 PM
:rolleyes:
http://www.zurich-base-line.com/cn_gdp_pc_nation_data.html
Per Capita. Pfft. Don't gimme that, that's a shoddy statistic to use, particularly with less people in the Northwest Territories than the capacity of the SkyDome, compared to 7.9M Quebecois.
1 OUT OF 1 ARE CAT OWNERS IN MY CONDO SO I WIN
SkyDome's dead man. Now it's the Rogers Centre.
Quote from: Barrister on November 06, 2012, 12:45:19 PM
SkyDome's dead man. Now it's the Rogers Centre.
Good. Fuck Cito Gaston.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 06, 2012, 12:41:09 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 06, 2012, 12:20:23 PM
:rolleyes:
http://www.zurich-base-line.com/cn_gdp_pc_nation_data.html
Per Capita. Pfft. Don't gimme that, that's a shoddy statistic to use, particularly with less people in the Northwest Territories than the capacity of the SkyDome, compared to 7.9M Quebecois.
1 OUT OF 1 ARE CAT OWNERS IN MY CONDO SO I WIN
Not all of them are Quebecois though. Remember, an independent Quebec is going to lose a lot of anglos, either to immigration or to genocide, and the natives are unlikely to participate in their experiment, as a poor country like Quebec would give them less in the way of bribes.
Quote from: Neil on November 06, 2012, 01:05:28 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 06, 2012, 12:41:09 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 06, 2012, 12:20:23 PM
:rolleyes:
http://www.zurich-base-line.com/cn_gdp_pc_nation_data.html
Per Capita. Pfft. Don't gimme that, that's a shoddy statistic to use, particularly with less people in the Northwest Territories than the capacity of the SkyDome, compared to 7.9M Quebecois.
1 OUT OF 1 ARE CAT OWNERS IN MY CONDO SO I WIN
Not all of them are Quebecois though. Remember, an independent Quebec is going to lose a lot of anglos, either to immigration or to genocide, and the natives are unlikely to participate in their experiment, as a poor country like Quebec would give them less in the way of bribes.
Pfft. Did you see how fast Charest crumbled to a handful of student protestors?
Imagine how many "bribes" they'll give natives when every reserve turns into an Ipperwash or an Akwesasne.
Quote from: Neil on November 06, 2012, 01:05:28 PM
Not all of them are Quebecois though. Remember, an independent Quebec is going to lose a lot of anglos, either to immigration or to genocide, and the natives are unlikely to participate in their experiment, as a poor country like Quebec would give them less in the way of bribes.
Bah, the United States of America would welcome and support our newly emancipated French brothers to the north, an ample and capable partner in NAFTA, harkening back to a friendship forged together in revolution.
The rest of your provinces could petition for US statehood per the requirements outlined in the United States Constitution and be happy, well-cared for members of the National Park Service.
Woohoo! US Stateshood!
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 06, 2012, 01:26:06 PM
The rest of your provinces could petition for US statehood
Not sure why any Canadian would want to take that kind of hit to their quality of life.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 06, 2012, 01:26:06 PM
The rest of your provinces could petition for US statehood per the requirements outlined in the United States Constitution and be happy, well-cared for members of the National Park Service.
Seems unlikely. Why would we want to be poor?
Quote from: Barrister on November 06, 2012, 12:43:15 PM
That would be an ingenious solution to the political impasse on Crete...
:hmm: Do you mean Cyprus?
Quote from: Caliga on November 06, 2012, 01:47:26 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 06, 2012, 12:43:15 PM
That would be an ingenious solution to the political impasse on Crete...
:hmm: Do you mean Cyprus?
Yeah, I was wondering that also - but in any event Venice can also solve that problem by reoccupying that Island.
Quote from: Barrister on November 06, 2012, 12:43:15 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 06, 2012, 12:38:58 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on November 06, 2012, 12:35:48 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 06, 2012, 09:48:45 AM
Will they seize the Dalmatian coast? Will they be ready for the Aztec onslaught?
More importantly, will they loot Istanbul?
I want to know whether they will retake Crete
That would be an ingenious solution to the political impasse on Crete...
:frusty:
Can't believe no one called me on this. I confused Crete with Cyprus.
Greece can probably use being annexed, mind. Latin Empire ftw.
Given Lettow's recent dabbling with visual impairment, it's little surprise that his next 'enthusiasm' should be for all things Venetian. :hmm:
Quote from: Caliga on November 06, 2012, 04:35:27 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 06, 2012, 01:52:45 PM
Can't believe no one called me on this.
:yeahright:
I like his timing. :D
I'll admit that I looked up Crete (as I was like that's not the island I know has issues), saw nothing and went meh. -_-
The EU should support this. Divide and conquer. :ph34r:
Quote from: Caliga on November 06, 2012, 04:35:27 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 06, 2012, 01:52:45 PM
Can't believe no one called me on this.
:yeahright:
I honestly noticed my own mistake and posted my own correction before I saw your post. :blush:
Quote from: garbon on November 06, 2012, 04:37:17 PM
Quote from: Caliga on November 06, 2012, 04:35:27 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 06, 2012, 01:52:45 PM
Can't believe no one called me on this.
:yeahright:
I like his timing. :D
I'll admit that I looked up Crete (as I was like that's not the island I know has issues), saw nothing and went meh. -_-
I was taking a nap. I saw it, wondered if he confused Crete with Cyprus and saw that owned up to his mistake later on in the the thread.
Quote from: celedhring on November 06, 2012, 11:55:47 AM
Catalonia's independence had always scored 30-35% in the polls until it soared to 50% with the financial crisis, so you have a point there. However, 35% baseline has always looked like a lot to me.
And I'm not sure you can put down Scotland in that category.
Scottish independence always gets around 30-35% in the polls too. People shouldn't confuse a vote for the SNP for a vote for independence. The Tories and Lib Dems are dead in Scotland (personally I think they should therefore stop trying to be national parties of government and instead accept their fringe status and be a bit more rigorous and radical) so the SNP are the non-Labour option.
But you're right there is a difference. Though I think in the UK it's the lack of fiscal independence not the relative wealth of the regions that matters. We're a very fiscally centralised country. Councils and even the national governments don't have the sort of debt they'd have in a regional system like Spain and Italy or a Federal system like the US or Germany. I personally think Scotland should be given fiscal independence within the UK (devolution-max) but at the minute they're allowed to vary taxes by, I think, 1-2%. Aside from that they control how to spend their budget but that's still, I believe, calculated in London.
But people have a misconception about Scotland. It's not significantly poorer than the rest of the UK, though parts of it are. If you strip out oil and gas Scotland is, per capita about £1 000 poorer than the South East of England - which is the second richest part of the UK (after London). It's richer than ever other region of England, than Wales or than Northern Ireland. Measuring the nations gives a misleading picture because of how dominant and how much richer London is. I think with the same statistics London's about £15 000 richer than Scotland. Also, again with the exception of London, Scotland's grown faster over the past 10-15 years than any other part of the UK.
Quote from: crazy canuck on November 06, 2012, 12:38:58 PM
I want to know whether they will retake Crete
Crucially, attempts to colonize Crete today would be much more successful. The republic, sending a full 1 in 10 of its sons to settle the island, with the island being divided into six districts named after districts of the serene lagoon city itself, and colonists from each principal district settling the appropriate part of Crete, spared little expense to civilize the island and make it lastingly Venetian.
They made a massive and commendable effort to bring civilization to Crete, but were weighed down by the fact that, from the beginning, Crete outnumbered Venice's citizens by something like 5:1. Today, Veneto itself enjoys almost a tenfold advantage on the comparatively sparsely populated Crete, which has languished in the stewardship of various disinterested and incapable rulers. Demographics now smile favourably on the project to civilize and uplift the island, which would swiftly become a lustrous gem of
Serenìsima Repùblica Vèneta far greater than ever before.
How exciting to contemplate! Perhaps Golden Dawn will part with the island in exchange for funding to redeem territory presently despoiled by Slavic pretenders to Alexander's legacy and Turkish interlopers. :wub:
What happened to your magic space ark full of Frenchmen and nigger bots to take care of them?
:huh: Of course, Venice is more than adequately represented in space by its sister city on Mars, which excels even its predecessor.
Nor could one lightly forget the union between the French and Venice so lastingly established when Enrico Dandolo referred to the French as "the greatest nation in existence" and the flower of French chivalry, in turn, commented with wonder on the splendour of the most Serene republic that seemed to exist on the very aether, without any meaningful connection to the land of readily apparent source of opulence.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 06, 2012, 08:06:01 AM
QuoteIt may sound crazy but I think Veneto will become independent before Scotland or Catalonia.
That makes sense to me. Unlike those others, Venice's glory days were spent as an independent entity.
Yeah, it's sort of sad how the little city-state that could has now become a semi-living museum of a dysfunctional country.
Quote from: Barrister on November 06, 2012, 01:08:23 PM
Imagine how many "bribes" they'll give natives when every reserve turns into an Ipperwash or an Akwesasne.
There will be no reserves once we're out of Canada. They'll be dismantled. One law for everyone - no strings attached. And if they resist... well they shall need to be disciplined shan't they?
G.
Cool, American intervention in Quebec.
Quote from: Grallon on November 06, 2012, 07:30:03 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 06, 2012, 01:08:23 PM
Imagine how many "bribes" they'll give natives when every reserve turns into an Ipperwash or an Akwesasne.
There will be no reserves once we're out of Canada. They'll be dismantled. One law for everyone - no strings attached. And if they resist... well they shall need to be disciplined shan't they?
G.
Again - the last couple years showed that Quebec voters have little stomach for the kind of "discipline" you seem to favour.
Venice doesn't have a navy, and so can't colonize anything. Even if Italians had national spirit (and they don't), that can't help them without a navy.
Quote from: Barrister on November 06, 2012, 08:45:16 PM
Again - the last couple years showed that Quebec voters have little stomach for the kind of "discipline" you seem to favour.
They too lack discipline. When someone is contemplating suicide it's everyone's duty to prevent it.
G.
Fear not, everyone! I fixed Europe!
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Naturally the Holy League of France, Southern Germany and Poland will be central to containing German ambitions.
Additional successes include the repulsion of Christ's most fearsome enemies from Europe, and a balkan order that should keep the slavs in check.
Cornwall as part of a Gaelic country? :lol:
Quote from: Habbaku on November 06, 2012, 10:09:56 PM
Cornwall as part of a Gaelic country? :lol:
Not as weird as including Portugal. :hmm:
Quote from: Habbaku on November 06, 2012, 10:09:56 PM
Cornwall as part of a Gaelic country? :lol:
MEBYON KERNOW!
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 06, 2012, 10:15:56 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on November 06, 2012, 10:09:56 PM
Cornwall as part of a Gaelic country? :lol:
Not as weird as including Portugal. :hmm:
and nothern italy and the ukraine...
jeez
:bleeding:
Pan-Celticism is idiotic. Especially with Cornwall :lol:
Strange that Lettow would seek to take away some people's independence there when normally he's so big on splitting over the slightest things.
Quote from: DGuller on November 06, 2012, 07:19:19 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 06, 2012, 08:06:01 AM
QuoteIt may sound crazy but I think Veneto will become independent before Scotland or Catalonia.
That makes sense to me. Unlike those others, Venice's glory days were spent as an independent entity.
Yeah, it's sort of sad how the little city-state that could has now become a semi-living museum of a dysfunctional country.
Venice is a semi-living museum since mid-1700.
About the dysfunctional country, well... :Embarrass:
Re: Peter: The Tre Venezie (Veneto, Friuli-Venezia Giulia and the Trento province) won't become independent, sadly. It's more than twenty years that some form of League for Venetian Indipendence exists, some crazy people did even assault San Marco's belltower with a truck converted to cardboard tank many years ago to protest for independence. They even have a wikipedia page! :lol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_Most_Serene_Government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_Most_Serene_Government). It was 1997.
Re: Lettow's map: Sardinia and Corsica should be an independent country.
L.
And folding Lithuania into Poland?
Your ideas are incorrect, Lettow.
Unified Scandinavia, including Finland, but Iberia is 5 countries?
France gets Saarland, most of Bohemia is dished out to one Kraut or another. What the fuck is your problem?
SIEG HEIL BOY AHM FROM SOUTH GERMANY
Quote from: Queequeg on November 07, 2012, 07:09:27 PM
France gets Saarland, most of Bohemia is dished out to one Kraut or another. What the fuck is your problem?
still better then Tim's maps :P
Quote from: HVC on November 07, 2012, 07:47:17 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on November 07, 2012, 07:09:27 PM
France gets Saarland, most of Bohemia is dished out to one Kraut or another. What the fuck is your problem?
still better then Tim's maps :P
A shit smeared coloring book is better than Tim's fantasy map ejaculations.
Why do we get Aragon? It's not only that they would never want in, it just looks ugly as a country shape. Aesthetics matter.
Ionia should be greek, and you have to split Trentino from South Tyrol. Trentino to Veneto, South Tyrol by himself.
L.