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Title: There's no such thing as a free bridge?
Post by: Barrister on October 25, 2012, 01:49:55 PM
Quote'Greedy' U.S. billionaire urges Michigan voters to reject free bridge to Canada

Joe O'Connor | Oct 23, 2012 9:15 PM ET | Last Updated: Oct 24, 2012 11:57 AM ET
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Roy Norton, the Canadian consul general in Detroit, has been putting a lot of miles on his five-year-old Canadian-made Mercury Marquis of late.

Crisscrossing the great state of Michigan, speaking at business luncheons, to university crowds and at town hall meetings, stumping in support of the multi-billion-dollar "New International Trade Crossing" (a.k.a. bridge) spanning the border at Detroit/Windsor, while trying to convince Michiganders that there is such a thing as a free bridge.

Canada, understand, has agreed to pay for the bridge in full, including liabilities — and potential cost overruns — under an agreement that was about a decade-in-the-making and officially announced to much fanfare, at least on the Canadian side of the border, by Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Michigan Governor Rick Snyder in Windsor/Detroit in mid-June.

For Michigan, it is a slam-dunk arrangement. As Mr. Norton told one audience: ''If this proves to be a dumb financial decision, it's on us, not on you.''

It's a free bridge, a vital new piece of publicly owned infrastructure — for both countries — and yet one that is in grave danger of being demolished before construction even begins when Michigan voters head to the polls for a ballot initiative attached to the Nov. 6 elections.

"There are no arguments, literally no arguments that anybody in Michigan should embrace against the new bridge," Mr. Norton says. "But, again, the owners of the Ambassador Bridge are prepared to say and do anything to mislead the public...

"The Morouns are greedy. They are manipulative. They are cynical."

Manuel (Matty) Moroun, an 85-year-old self-made billionaire who owns the 83-year-old Ambassador Bridge, is Cynic-in-Chief. The Ambassador is currently the only transport truck-bearing bridge in town. Twenty-five percent of Canadian-American trade, representing about $120-billion, flows across it each year.

It is a perfect monopoly for the Moroun family, a golden goose that just keeps on laying eggs, putting upwards of $80-million a year in tolls, duty free gas and shopping sales in their pockets. Allowing a Canadian-financed competitor into the ring without a fight isn't an option.

For months, Michiganders have been fed a robust diet of Moroun-family-financed television commercials urging them to vote "yes" to Proposal 6 on Nov. 6. Proposal 6 is a statewide ballot initiative that, if successful, would see Michigan's state constitution amended and make any new "international bridges" subject to the approval of a majority of Michigan voters.

The Morouns have reportedly spent over $10-million to thwart the free bridge, an effort highlighted by door-to-door flier campaigns, robocalls and their ubiquitous television spots featuring a soundtrack of ominous-sounding piano chords and a series of plain-talking Michigan folk — retired cops, stay-at-home-moms, nurses aides and longtime Detroit residents — striking apocalyptic notes about a paid-for-by-Canada border crossing.

"There is no such thing as a free bridge," one woman says.

"Eventually, we the people are going to end up paying for it," warns a Vietnam veteran with an American flag on the back of his motorcycle.

"Quit being so arrogant with our money," a weathered-senior in a yellow golf shirt growls. "We can't go out and start building bridges, our grandkids are going to have to pay the debt off."

The message: "The People Should Decide." The impact? It is working. Polls show voter support for Proposal 6 at about 50%, down from 57% a few months ago, but still a figure that no Canadian, anywhere, and especially not one living in southwestern Ontario, where the economy is bound-and-tied to the Big Three automakers and the American industrial heartland beyond, should be comfortable with.

Dan Daniel, the Vietnam vet featured in at least two of the television commercials, is a retired Troy police officer. I phoned the station house in Troy, looking for a forwarding contact for Mr. Daniel. The officer who answered was a friend of "Danny's". He assured me he would pass along my message and chuckled when I mentioned the free bridge.

"You mean the bridge to nowhere?" he said. "If you believe that it's free I've got some swampland down in Florida I can sell you."



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A Moroun family spokesperson did not respond to an interview request. But in a recent interview with Michigan Radio, John Bebow, with the Center for Michigan's Truth Squad, a non-partisan watchdog that monitors political advertising in the state, pointed to the falsehoods underlying the Morouns ad campaign.

"It's been very well documented that grandkids in Michigan are not going to have to pay that [bridge] off because the Canadian government is going to pay for it," he said.

"Michigan taxpayers of any age, including your grandkids, are not on the hook."

Most unions, the automakers, the Michigan Governor's office, the Michigan Chamber of Commerce, assorted economists, and the Ohio and Indiana state legislatures back the bridge.

On a dreary Tuesday, our consul general was in Bay City, Mich., for a Rotary Lunch, selling Michigan voters on a sure thing.

"I am here, and I am out here, literally every day, giving a speech," Mr. Norton said. "Every device that you can imagine is being utilized by the Morouns and their henchmen to persuade Michiganders that this [bridge] is going to cost them money — and it won't."

National Post

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/10/23/greedy-u-s-billionaire-urges-michigan-voters-to-reject-free-bridge-to-canada/
Title: Re: There's no such thing as a free bridge?
Post by: crazy canuck on October 25, 2012, 01:57:05 PM
We need to make an anti Timmay rule to put a stop to posting articles without at least some indication as to why the poster thought it might be interesting.
Title: Re: There's no such thing as a free bridge?
Post by: Barrister on October 25, 2012, 02:01:14 PM
:rolleyes:

It's pretty astounding how transparent Maroun is being, and how it appears to be working.  He's worked for years to block any second bridge.  It's gotten to the point where Canada has offered to pay for the entire thing (despite the fact benefits would be felt on both sides of the river).
Title: Re: There's no such thing as a free bridge?
Post by: Eddie Teach on October 25, 2012, 02:04:09 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 25, 2012, 01:57:05 PM
We need to make an anti Timmay rule to put a stop to posting articles without at least some indication as to why the poster thought it might be interesting.

You're not being a very good Canadian.  :(
Title: Re: There's no such thing as a free bridge?
Post by: DGuller on October 25, 2012, 02:08:56 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 25, 2012, 01:57:05 PM
We need to make an anti Timmay rule to put a stop to posting articles without at least some indication as to why the poster thought it might be interesting.
I think it's very indicative of the US politics at large:  Mr. Burns getting useful idiot rubes to believe anything that is useful to him and him only.
Title: Re: There's no such thing as a free bridge?
Post by: mongers on October 25, 2012, 02:51:29 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 25, 2012, 02:08:56 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 25, 2012, 01:57:05 PM
We need to make an anti Timmay rule to put a stop to posting articles without at least some indication as to why the poster thought it might be interesting.
I think it's very indicative of the US politics at large:  Mr. Burns getting useful idiot rubes to believe anything that is useful to him and him only.

Yeah, and some Americans seem to actively want the return of the 1880s.
Title: Re: There's no such thing as a free bridge?
Post by: PRC on October 25, 2012, 02:57:02 PM
This is crazy, do the right thing Michigan and let the bridge be built!
Title: Re: There's no such thing as a free bridge?
Post by: Ed Anger on October 25, 2012, 04:39:07 PM
Canada and Ohio should form a pact of steel and partition Michigan.
Title: Re: There's no such thing as a free bridge?
Post by: Barrister on October 25, 2012, 04:43:26 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 25, 2012, 04:39:07 PM
Canada and Ohio should form a pact of steel and partition Michigan.

You want Michigan?   :wacko:

Tell you what - we'll take the Upper Penninsula - that was pretty the one time I was there.  You can have the rest.  Hell - you can take Windsor too while you're at it.
Title: Re: There's no such thing as a free bridge?
Post by: Ed Anger on October 25, 2012, 04:44:19 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 25, 2012, 04:43:26 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on October 25, 2012, 04:39:07 PM
Canada and Ohio should form a pact of steel and partition Michigan.

You want Michigan?   :wacko:

Tell you what - we'll take the Upper Penninsula - that was pretty the one time I was there.  You can have the rest.  Hell - you can take Windsor too while you're at it.

Underage whores for ohio!
Title: Re: There's no such thing as a free bridge?
Post by: Tonitrus on October 25, 2012, 04:56:53 PM
QuoteFor months, Michiganders have been fed a robust diet of Moroun-family-financed television commercials urging them to vote "yes" to Proposal 6 on Nov. 6. Proposal 6 is a statewide ballot initiative that, if successful, would see Michigan's state constitution amended and make any new "international bridges" subject to the approval of a majority of Michigan voters.

The Morouns have reportedly spent over $10-million to thwart the free bridge, an effort highlighted by door-to-door flier campaigns, robocalls and their ubiquitous television spots featuring a soundtrack of ominous-sounding piano chords and a series of plain-talking Michigan folk — retired cops, stay-at-home-moms, nurses aides and longtime Detroit residents — striking apocalyptic notes about a paid-for-by-Canada border crossing.

The message: "The People Should Decide." The impact? It is working. Polls show voter support for Proposal 6 at about 50%, down from 57% a few months ago, but still a figure that no Canadian, anywhere, and especially not one living in southwestern Ontario, where the economy is bound-and-tied to the Big Three automakers and the American industrial heartland beyond, should be comfortable with.

I am confused...isn't this an indication that Moroun's money is NOT working?  Or is the article trying to tell me that while Michigan voters were really stupid a few months ago...they're still pretty stupid, and an expected natural progression of anti-stupidity is being foiled by Moroun's ads?  :unsure:
Title: Re: There's no such thing as a free bridge?
Post by: mongers on October 25, 2012, 05:08:59 PM
'A Bridge Too Fair' ?
Title: Re: There's no such thing as a free bridge?
Post by: JacobL on October 25, 2012, 05:10:27 PM
My state worries me that many will forget to breathe soon.  :shutup:
Title: Re: There's no such thing as a free bridge?
Post by: Josquius on October 25, 2012, 07:29:29 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 25, 2012, 02:01:14 PM
:rolleyes:

It's pretty astounding how transparent Maroun is being, and how it appears to be working.  He's worked for years to block any second bridge.  It's gotten to the point where Canada has offered to pay for the entire thing (despite the fact benefits would be felt on both sides of the river).
Yeah. This is really very :bleeding:
Title: Re: There's no such thing as a free bridge?
Post by: garbon on October 25, 2012, 07:34:39 PM
Quote from: Tyr on October 25, 2012, 07:29:29 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 25, 2012, 02:01:14 PM
:rolleyes:

It's pretty astounding how transparent Maroun is being, and how it appears to be working.  He's worked for years to block any second bridge.  It's gotten to the point where Canada has offered to pay for the entire thing (despite the fact benefits would be felt on both sides of the river).
Yeah. This is really very :bleeding:

There's no reason to trust Canadians. :angry:
Title: Re: There's no such thing as a free bridge?
Post by: MadImmortalMan on October 25, 2012, 08:41:55 PM
They just want a bigger bridge so they can get our sports teams across the border faster. Look! The Tigers are in the World Series!
Title: Re: There's no such thing as a free bridge?
Post by: Habbaku on October 25, 2012, 09:38:49 PM
How do we know this new bridge won't be used to allow a sudden surge in illegal emigration?
Title: Re: There's no such thing as a free bridge?
Post by: dps on October 25, 2012, 11:33:10 PM
Quote from: mongers on October 25, 2012, 02:51:29 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 25, 2012, 02:08:56 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 25, 2012, 01:57:05 PM
We need to make an anti Timmay rule to put a stop to posting articles without at least some indication as to why the poster thought it might be interesting.
I think it's very indicative of the US politics at large:  Mr. Burns getting useful idiot rubes to believe anything that is useful to him and him only.

Yeah, and some Americans seem to actively want the return of the 1880s.

Don't know why anyone would want to return to a time when Chile had a bigger, better navy that the US. 

Well, maybe Chileans.
Title: Re: There's no such thing as a free bridge?
Post by: Phillip V on October 25, 2012, 11:43:18 PM
Build the bridge and annex Canada.
Title: Re: There's no such thing as a free bridge?
Post by: Eddie Teach on October 25, 2012, 11:50:01 PM
Quote from: dps on October 25, 2012, 11:33:10 PM
Don't know why anyone would want to return to a time when Chile had a bigger, better navy that the US. 

Well, maybe Chileans.

Iranians too.
Title: Re: There's no such thing as a free bridge?
Post by: The Brain on October 26, 2012, 12:23:48 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on October 25, 2012, 09:38:49 PM
How do we know this new bridge won't be used to allow a sudden surge in illegal emigration?

:)
Title: Re: There's no such thing as a free bridge?
Post by: The Brain on October 26, 2012, 12:24:53 AM
Quote from: dps on October 25, 2012, 11:33:10 PM
Quote from: mongers on October 25, 2012, 02:51:29 PM
Quote from: DGuller on October 25, 2012, 02:08:56 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 25, 2012, 01:57:05 PM
We need to make an anti Timmay rule to put a stop to posting articles without at least some indication as to why the poster thought it might be interesting.
I think it's very indicative of the US politics at large:  Mr. Burns getting useful idiot rubes to believe anything that is useful to him and him only.

Yeah, and some Americans seem to actively want the return of the 1880s.

Don't know why anyone would want to return to a time when Chile had a bigger, better navy that the US. 

Well, maybe Chileans.

An Absolut world.
Title: Re: There's no such thing as a free bridge?
Post by: DGuller on October 26, 2012, 12:50:52 AM
Quote from: The Brain on October 26, 2012, 12:23:48 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on October 25, 2012, 09:38:49 PM
How do we know this new bridge won't be used to allow a sudden surge in illegal emigration?

:)
Seems like Canada's problem to me.