http://news.yahoo.com/congressman-calls-evolution-lie-pit-hell-175514039.html
QuoteATHENS, Ga. (AP) — Georgia Rep. Paul Broun said in videotaped remarks that evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are "lies straight from the pit of hell" meant to convince people that they do not need a savior.
The Republican lawmaker made those comments during a speech Sept. 27 at a sportsman's banquet at Liberty Baptist Church in Hartwell. Broun, a medical doctor, is running for re-election in November unopposed by Democrats.
"God's word is true," Broun said, according to a video posted on the church's website. "I've come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell. And it's lies to try to keep me and all the folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior."
Broun also said that he believes the Earth is about 9,000 years old and that it was made in six days. Those beliefs are held by fundamentalist Christians who believe the creation accounts in the Bible to be literally true.
Broun spokeswoman Meredith Griffanti told the Athens Banner-Herald (http://bit.ly/Us4O0Z ) that Broun was recorded speaking off-the-record to a church group about his religious beliefs. He sits on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology.
It seems unlikely that Broun's remarks were supposed to be kept private. The banquet was advertised, Broun spoke before an audience and the video of his remarks was posted on the church's website.
:lol:
I want to get Georgia off my mind.
I wonder if he is black. That would confirm Lettow's theory that blacks are deleterious to American education.
A picture of Jimmy Carter making a facepalm would come in handy right now. But Google has failed me. :(
Did a quick wiki search on Congressman Broun. He's been married four times. :yes:
Quote from: Phillip V on October 07, 2012, 01:57:40 AM
Did a quick wiki search on Congressman Broun. He's been married four times. :yes:
And this proves exactly...?
Here's the video:
http://onlineathens.com/local-news/2012-10-05/broun-evolution-big-bang-theory-are-lies-straight-pit-hell
QuoteEvolution and the big bang theory are "lies to keep me and all the folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior," U.S. Rep. Paul Broun said in a recently released video.
In the video, taken from the 2012 Sportsman's Banquet at Liberty Baptist Church in Hartwell, Broun also repeated fundamentalist Christian tenets that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old and the Holy Bible is a guidebook to every aspect of life.
Talking Points Memo first posted a short clip of the 47-minute speech Friday afternoon. The full speech was posted Thursday, according to the Liberty Baptist Church's YouTube page.
Broun, a Republican from Oconee County, is a medical doctor and running unopposed in District 10 on the November ballot. He serves on the Congressional science and technology, and homeland security committees.
"God's word is true. I've come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution, embryology, the big bang theory; all of that is lies straight from the pit of hell," Broun told the crowd.
"And it's lies to keep me and all the folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior. You see, there's a lot of scientific data that I've found as a scientist that this really is a young earth. I don't believe that the earth is but about 9,000 years old. I believe it was made in six days as we know them. That's what the Bible tells us."
Meredith Griffanti, the Washington, D.C., spokeswoman for Broun, made just a brief statement about the video.
"Dr. Broun was speaking off the record to a large church group about his personal beliefs regarding religious issues," she wrote in an email.
In the full video, he told the crowd that he was inspired by God to make his first run for Congress in 1990. He was elected in 2007.
In the video, he also shared stories of how he acquired some of the hunting trophies that adorn his Washington, D.C., office. In particular, there was a story of shooting a bear in the chest and then the bear running for 15 minutes. When they found it, Broun said the bear's heart and lungs were destroyed by his bullet.
"I can tell you as a medical doctor, in four minutes, your brain dies," he said. "How that bear did that, I don't know."
In another story, Broun said he believes God guided a bullet to kill a lion that was about to bound into the back of a truck he was riding in.
I like that U.S. politics has room for these nutters and gives them a voice. Eccentricity in politics is fun. As long as it doesn't become a mainstream phenomenon.
Quote from: Martinus on October 07, 2012, 02:05:58 AM
Quote from: Phillip V on October 07, 2012, 01:57:40 AM
Did a quick wiki search on Congressman Broun. He's been married four times. :yes:
And this proves exactly...?
Well, usually the most zealous are so zealous because they have been crapping all over the morals they are posing to defend, and are trying extra hard to hide that.
Like that Magyar Guard nazi chick who was found to had been an established p0rn actress.
Well, this is embarrassing.
More grist for the mill:
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"America has to stand up and decide if we want to be a socialist nation or if we're going to be a free nation."
"..he criticized President-elect Barack Obama's call for a civilian national service corps, suggesting that Obama might use it to establish a Marxist dictatorship"
"In May 2009, Broun proposed failed legislation that would have proclaimed 2010 "The Year Of The Bible".
I should mention I know extremely respectable, upper middle class men with college educations, a great deal of intellectual curiosity and attainment, world-travelling experiences and so on, who believe the same things. It can't be helped.
Quote from: Martinus on October 07, 2012, 02:05:58 AM
Quote from: Phillip V on October 07, 2012, 01:57:40 AM
Did a quick wiki search on Congressman Broun. He's been married four times. :yes:
And this proves exactly...?
That he's not a very good Christian. Or that he's a douchebag who's impossible to live with.
Quote from: Tamas on October 07, 2012, 02:18:31 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 07, 2012, 02:05:58 AM
Quote from: Phillip V on October 07, 2012, 01:57:40 AM
Did a quick wiki search on Congressman Broun. He's been married four times. :yes:
And this proves exactly...?
Well, usually the most zealous are so zealous because they have been crapping all over the morals they are posing to defend, and are trying extra hard to hide that.
Like that Magyar Guard nazi chick who was found to had been an established p0rn actress.
Pics/name?
One would think an idea like the Big Bang would be easy for theologists to reinterpret and co-opt into their theology.
Quote from: Tamas on October 07, 2012, 02:18:31 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 07, 2012, 02:05:58 AM
Quote from: Phillip V on October 07, 2012, 01:57:40 AM
Did a quick wiki search on Congressman Broun. He's been married four times. :yes:
And this proves exactly...?
Well, usually the most zealous are so zealous because they have been crapping all over the morals they are posing to defend, and are trying extra hard to hide that.
Like that Magyar Guard nazi chick who was found to had been an established p0rn actress.
I thought all Hungarian chicks worked in porn. What's the big deal?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 07, 2012, 03:51:43 AM
One would think an idea like the Big Bang would be easy for theologists to reinterpret and co-opt into their theology.
Not exciting/angry enough. Pews would be unfilled; coffers empty. :(
Do you really suppose it's a ploy to bring people in through anger and fleece them? That's a very dim view of human nature. Surely they just oppose it because it didn't come from their polis; it is a northern notion, from people invariably set against their interests, and a distrust born from concern for their communities and the folks they care about leads them to reject it.
Or maybe it is just an example of mos maiorum, a fidelity to the beliefs and practices of those that came before them. There are lots of motivations that could have sprang from good intent. Good faith and intent should be presumed wherever possible. :)
There is quite a long history of charismatic fleecer preachers. Megachurches and the Christian industry is quite lucrative. I will probably join in a decade or two.
Edit: Catholic Church even suffered a Reformation movement to counter their fleecing. Now there just needs a movement to counter the molesting.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 07, 2012, 03:51:43 AM
One would think an idea like the Big Bang would be easy for theologists to reinterpret and co-opt into their theology.
It's funny you would say that. The Term "Big Bang theory" was coined by it's critics in order to denigrate it. They felt it seemed to much like creationism.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 07, 2012, 03:51:43 AM
One would think an idea like the Big Bang would be easy for theologists to reinterpret and co-opt into their theology.
George Lemaitre was a Jesuit priest. The pope even offered to make the big bang catholic doctrine. Theologists usually do like the Big Bang, until they hear about the details.
Why don't you give it a rest?
The banksters are at it again.
Can one of the Languish GOPTards explain to me why these guys are always Republicans and never Democrats?
You want an explanation from evilution-deniers?
Quote from: Viking on October 07, 2012, 05:38:35 AM
Can one of the Languish GOPTards explain to me why these guys are always Republicans and never Democrats?
God is a Republican.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 07, 2012, 05:56:53 AM
Quote from: Viking on October 07, 2012, 05:38:35 AM
Can one of the Languish GOPTards explain to me why these guys are always Republicans and never Democrats?
God is a Republican.
Makes sense. He is white, angry, old, lives in a gated community, and he only accepted his closeted gay son back into his house when the kid got the living crap beat out of him by some thugs.
Am I the only one who finds it weirder that he's a doctor? :blink:
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 07, 2012, 09:26:42 PM
Am I the only one who finds it weirder that he's a doctor? :blink:
Yeah, I know it's technically possible to fail to understand/disbelieve in basic science concepts and still successfully diagnose illnesses and treat disease, in the same manner that it's technically possible to think that summary executions are the best justice policy while zealously representing criminal defendants in court, but nonetheless I'm not sure I would personally feel comfortable hiring either.
Indeed, much better for them to be doing relatively harmless things like making laws. :)
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 07, 2012, 09:26:42 PM
Am I the only one who finds it weirder that he's a doctor? :blink:
Worked for Bill Frist. He could diagnose vegetative states from television.
Yea I don't find it that weird. AFAIK doctors don't have a reputation as exceptionally rational.
Quote from: Ideologue on October 07, 2012, 10:09:01 PM
Yeah, I know it's technically possible to fail to understand/disbelieve in basic science concepts and still successfully diagnose illnesses and treat disease
It's still kinda worrying when an MD says that what he's been taught about embryology were lies from hell.
Quote from: Phillip V on October 07, 2012, 04:38:24 AM
There is quite a long history of charismatic fleecer preachers. Megachurches and the Christian industry is quite lucrative. I will probably join in a decade or two.
Don't join in. Start your own.
"I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is!"
- L. Ron Hubbard (supposedly)
http://www.bible.ca/scientology-1million-start-a-religion.htm
I think it leads to a question if (and if so, when), personal views should disqualify a person from being able to engage in a certain profession?
Should someone be allowed to work as a medical doctor if he or she openly disagrees with some basic tenets of medical science? What about a biology teacher who thinks evolution is a lie from the pits of hell?
Quote from: Martinus on October 08, 2012, 01:03:42 AM
I think it leads to a question if (and if so, when), personal views should disqualify a person from being able to engage in a certain profession?
Should someone be allowed to work as a medical doctor if he or she openly disagrees with some basic tenets of medical science? What about a biology teacher who thinks evolution is a lie from the pits of hell?
If doctor gets the job done well, then I don't care what they say.
Quote from: Phillip V on October 08, 2012, 01:07:39 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 08, 2012, 01:03:42 AM
I think it leads to a question if (and if so, when), personal views should disqualify a person from being able to engage in a certain profession?
Should someone be allowed to work as a medical doctor if he or she openly disagrees with some basic tenets of medical science? What about a biology teacher who thinks evolution is a lie from the pits of hell?
If doctor gets the job done well, then I don't care what they say.
A part of doctor's job is to build trust in patients. Someone who rejects basic tenets of his job does not build that trust. And I don't think it is a good idea to wait until the doctor fucks something up before firing him, when the signs of him not being properly educated are all over the place. It would be like letting an avowed pedophile work as a kindergarden teacher, as until he rapes a child, he should be allowed a free pass.
What about a biology teacher who believes in creationism, by the way? Or a priest who is openly an atheist?
Quote from: Martinus on October 08, 2012, 01:03:42 AM
I think it leads to a question if (and if so, when), personal views should disqualify a person from being able to engage in a certain profession?
Should someone be allowed to work as a medical doctor if he or she openly disagrees with some basic tenets of medical science? What about a biology teacher who thinks evolution is a lie from the pits of hell?
This is probably not a question that you of all people should bring up.
Quote from: Razgovory on October 08, 2012, 01:18:25 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 08, 2012, 01:03:42 AM
I think it leads to a question if (and if so, when), personal views should disqualify a person from being able to engage in a certain profession?
Should someone be allowed to work as a medical doctor if he or she openly disagrees with some basic tenets of medical science? What about a biology teacher who thinks evolution is a lie from the pits of hell?
This is probably not a question that you of all people should bring up.
:huh:
Quote from: Razgovory on October 08, 2012, 01:18:25 AM
This is probably not a question that you of all people should bring up.
Why is that? Medicine and teaching are professions with standards.
Quote from: Ideologue on October 07, 2012, 10:09:01 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 07, 2012, 09:26:42 PM
Am I the only one who finds it weirder that he's a doctor? :blink:
Yeah, I know it's technically possible to fail to understand/disbelieve in basic science concepts and still successfully diagnose illnesses and treat disease, in the same manner that it's technically possible to think that summary executions are the best justice policy while zealously representing criminal defendants in court, but nonetheless I'm not sure I would personally feel comfortable hiring either.
You shouldn't be that down on yourself.
Quote from: Martinus on October 08, 2012, 01:17:45 AMOr a priest who is openly an atheist?
The Clergy Project (http://clergyproject.org/)
The vicars who don't believe in God - BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/393479.stm)
Quote from: Martinus on October 08, 2012, 01:19:05 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 08, 2012, 01:18:25 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 08, 2012, 01:03:42 AM
I think it leads to a question if (and if so, when), personal views should disqualify a person from being able to engage in a certain profession?
Should someone be allowed to work as a medical doctor if he or she openly disagrees with some basic tenets of medical science? What about a biology teacher who thinks evolution is a lie from the pits of hell?
This is probably not a question that you of all people should bring up.
:huh:
He means that talking out of your ass never got you blocked from becoming a lawyer.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 08, 2012, 05:23:50 AM
He means that talking out of your ass never got you blocked from becoming a lawyer.
Isn't that actually a major job requirement?
Quote from: Syt on October 08, 2012, 05:36:20 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 08, 2012, 05:23:50 AM
He means that talking out of your ass never got you blocked from becoming a lawyer.
Isn't that actually a major job requirement?
Well, one would expect knowledge of the law would suffice, but we've seen that's never been the case for Marty.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on October 07, 2012, 03:04:36 AM
Quote from: Tamas on October 07, 2012, 02:18:31 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 07, 2012, 02:05:58 AM
Quote from: Phillip V on October 07, 2012, 01:57:40 AM
Did a quick wiki search on Congressman Broun. He's been married four times. :yes:
And this proves exactly...?
Well, usually the most zealous are so zealous because they have been crapping all over the morals they are posing to defend, and are trying extra hard to hide that.
Like that Magyar Guard nazi chick who was found to had been an established p0rn actress.
Pics/name?
http://www.pestiside.hu/20100330/suddenly-the-magyar-garda-sounds-like-a-lot-more-fun/ <---Not work safe due to girl taking her shirt off.
Nikolett Müller
I found this by googling "magyar garda porn"
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 07, 2012, 03:51:43 AM
One would think an idea like the Big Bang would be easy for theologists to reinterpret and co-opt into their theology.
Many have.
I find this man's theology heretical and false and demand a House Committee on Godly Truth to persecute him until he recants.
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 07, 2012, 09:26:42 PM
Am I the only one who finds it weirder that he's a doctor? :blink:
He graduated from a medical school in the deep south. So no, his beliefs are not at all weird. Rich Southerners are just as ignorant and backwards as poor Southerners.
Quote from: Martinus on October 08, 2012, 01:17:45 AM
Quote from: Phillip V on October 08, 2012, 01:07:39 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 08, 2012, 01:03:42 AM
I think it leads to a question if (and if so, when), personal views should disqualify a person from being able to engage in a certain profession?
Should someone be allowed to work as a medical doctor if he or she openly disagrees with some basic tenets of medical science? What about a biology teacher who thinks evolution is a lie from the pits of hell?
If doctor gets the job done well, then I don't care what they say.
A part of doctor's job is to build trust in patients. Someone who rejects basic tenets of his job does not build that trust. And I don't think it is a good idea to wait until the doctor fucks something up before firing him, when the signs of him not being properly educated are all over the place. It would be like letting an avowed pedophile work as a kindergarden teacher, as until he rapes a child, he should be allowed a free pass.
What about a biology teacher who believes in creationism, by the way? Or a priest who is openly an atheist?
His patients were/are for the most part extremely religious. He's from Georgia for Christ's sake. Anti-intellectualism would help him build rapport with his patients.