QuoteBig Bird will haunt Mitt Romney
Posted by Suzi Parker, Washington Post
Poor Big Bird.
The last thing he probably wanted was a mention in the first political debate between President Obama and Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney. But that's exactly what happened to the lovable eight-foot, two-inch feathery fellow Wednesday night.
Romney told moderator Jim Lehrer, "I'm sorry Jim. I'm gonna stop the subsidy to PBS. I'm gonna stop other things. I like PBS, I like Big Bird, I actually like you too."
A collective stab pierced the heart of Generation X who grew up with Big Bird, Bert and Ernie and Oscar the Grouch as their best friends. I immediately thought, "Oh no, Big Bird will be unemployed if Romney wins." I wasn't alone.
As is normal these days, Big Bird started trending on Twitter. Memes magically appeared on Facebook showing Big Bird sitting on a stoop holding a sign "Will Work For Food." But what we really needed at that moment was Count von Count appearing at the debate to explain Obama and Romney's monologues about complex taxes and percentages.
Obama was not his best Wednesday night, but he could leverage Big Bird. That is if the Obama campaign is smart. A survey in 2008 noted that 77 million Americans had watched "Sesame Street" as children. That's a lot of potential voters to woo. Nostalgia runs deep, trust me.
Big Bird, an iconic image, could serve as a bright yellow reminder that the Romney administration is keen on deep cuts to beloved institutions.
In August, Romney said he would eliminate funding for PBS, Amtrak, the National Endowment for the Arts and the National Endowment for the Humanities. The Corporation for Public Broadcasting, PBS's parent organization, receives $444 million a year from the government.
Maybe Romney doesn't understand how vital PBS, which celebrates its 42nd anniversary on Friday, is for many Americans. For several years, polls have regularly placed PBS as America's most-trusted national institution. Before the invention of cable television, PBS offered diversity when only three networks — ABC, NBC and CBS — dominated the airwaves. Educating America's children with smart programming has remained a dutiful promise of the network.
On the PBS Web site, it states: "PBS and our member stations are America's largest classroom, the nation's largest stage for the arts and a trusted window to the world. In addition, PBS's educational media helps prepare children for success in school and opens up the world to them in an age-appropriate way.
Sherrie Westin, executive vice president and chief marketing officer for Sesame Workshop, told CNN on Thursday morning that regardless of who is in the White House, the show will remain.
"Sesame Workshop receives very, very little funding from PBS," she said. "So, we are able to raise our funding through philanthropic, through our licensed product, which goes back into the educational programming, through corporate underwriting and sponsorship. So quite frankly, you can debate whether or not there should be funding of public broadcasting. But when they always try to tout out Big Bird, and say we're going to kill Big Bird — that is actually misleading, because Sesame Street will be here."
But still, Big Bird is the poster boy for PBS, a network that runs myriad shows including the popular British drama "Downtown Abbey" and "NOVA." And yes, some people really do like "NOVA."
For the last two decades, White House administrations have certainly paid attention to "Sesame Street."
Barbara Bush ushered in first ladies appearing on the show in 1990 when she read to children on the show. She didn't stop there. She also contributed the cookbook, "In the Kitchen with Miss Piggy."
Next, Hillary Clinton showed up on Sesame Street in 1993 to talk about healthy living. She also once appeared with Oscar the Grouch on "The Ellen DeGeneres Show."
In 2003, Laura Bush appeared on "Sesame Street" and other international Sesame Street productions. In 2007, she was honored with an award at the Sesame Workshop Gala for promoting children's literacy. Perhaps, her work with the program was to contrast her husband's deep cuts to PBS.
In 2010, first lady Michelle Obama also visited "Sesame Street" to tell Elmo about healthy eating and growing gardens.
"It's probably the best thing I've done so far in the White House," she said at the time.
Cutting funds to the network has long been popular among conservative politicians. But it may not be well-liked by a voting bloc that Romney still lacks — moms.
On the Web site, Psychology Today, Amy Przeworski, an assistant professor of psychology at Case Western Reserve University, wrote in July, "For me, the countless hours of watching 'Sesame Street' with my child are therapeutic and a big step towards remembering these values. They tame my inner Oscar the Grouch and bring out the Elmo who lurks within."
Romney may have shined on Wednesday night, but Big Bird will haunt him.
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Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 05, 2012, 01:12:47 AM
But still, Big Bird is the poster boy for PBS, a network that runs myriad shows including the popular British drama "Downtown Abbey" and "NOVA." And yes, some people really do like "NOVA."
I think the pool of voters that both love science and vote republican is marginal at best.
Amtrak too!? Aren't the American railways already shambolic enough? Won't that destroy them?
Quote from: Viking on October 05, 2012, 05:10:58 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 05, 2012, 01:12:47 AM
But still, Big Bird is the poster boy for PBS, a network that runs myriad shows including the popular British drama "Downtown Abbey" and "NOVA." And yes, some people really do like "NOVA."
I think the pool of voters that both love science and vote republican is marginal at best.
:lol:
I'm pretty sure that Sesame Street would be OK. It's everything else on the channel, like Nature or NOVA that would get fucked.
I don't understand the Big Bird issue, unless it's just a desperate attempt to latch on to something that can be spun negatively from Mitt's debate performance. PBS gets just 12% of its funding from the gov't., so I would have to think it can survive without it.
It just means more pledge drives people no big deal. I just find it pathetic that this was Mitts big budget cut thing. What a freaking loser.
Quote from: derspiess on October 05, 2012, 09:07:48 AM
I don't understand the Big Bird issue, unless it's just a desperate attempt to latch on to something that can be spun negatively from Mitt's debate performance. PBS gets just 12% of its funding from the gov't., so I would have to think it can survive without it.
Seems that it's closer to 20%, which is not unsubstantial.
Link (http://www.quora.com/What-portion-of-PBS-funding-comes-from-the-federal-government)
QuoteThe breakdown of public television funding is somewhat complex, because public television stations are run independently of PBS, each with their own budgets (though certain states bundle all stations together under one organization).
PBS is funded indirectly by Congress through the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB; which funds both PBS and National Public Radio). For fiscal year 2010, $281m out of CPB's $422m appropriation went to public television, $210m to local stations and $71m to PBS directly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pub...). In 2010, PBS had revenues of around $570m (http://www.pbs.org/about/media/a...), meaning federal funding via CPB accounted for about 12% of PBS 2010 annual revenues. Note that some of that federal funding for local stations will also make it back indirectly to PBS in the form of programming fees, so the total percentage could be considered higher.
More broadly, it makes sense to look at federal funding as a percentage of total US public television spending, which is much larger because the bulk of spending and production occurs at the local level. According to the Association of Public Television Stations (http://www.apts.org/legislative/...), total US public television revenues were $1.9 billion in fiscal year 2008, 19.2% of which came from federal sources (both CPB and non-CPB).
Cutting the subsidy to PBS might do many things, but hurt Big Bird it won't. They make a lot of money off licensing - they'll be fine.
Newer Sesame Street sucks. Fuck you Elmo.
Quote from: merithyn on October 05, 2012, 09:11:42 AM
Quote from: derspiess on October 05, 2012, 09:07:48 AM
I don't understand the Big Bird issue, unless it's just a desperate attempt to latch on to something that can be spun negatively from Mitt's debate performance. PBS gets just 12% of its funding from the gov't., so I would have to think it can survive without it.
Seems that it's closer to 20%, which is not unsubstantial.
Link (http://www.quora.com/What-portion-of-PBS-funding-comes-from-the-federal-government)
QuoteThe breakdown of public television funding is somewhat complex, because public television stations are run independently of PBS, each with their own budgets (though certain states bundle all stations together under one organization).
PBS is funded indirectly by Congress through the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB; which funds both PBS and National Public Radio). For fiscal year 2010, $281m out of CPB's $422m appropriation went to public television, $210m to local stations and $71m to PBS directly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pub...). In 2010, PBS had revenues of around $570m (http://www.pbs.org/about/media/a...), meaning federal funding via CPB accounted for about 12% of PBS 2010 annual revenues. Note that some of that federal funding for local stations will also make it back indirectly to PBS in the form of programming fees, so the total percentage could be considered higher.
More broadly, it makes sense to look at federal funding as a percentage of total US public television spending, which is much larger because the bulk of spending and production occurs at the local level. According to the Association of Public Television Stations (http://www.apts.org/legislative/...), total US public television revenues were $1.9 billion in fiscal year 2008, 19.2% of which came from federal sources (both CPB and non-CPB).
Depends on how you look at it. You're naturally going to go with the higher figure.
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The question was on cutting the deficit and, this was from what I remember Romney's only specific suggestion, totals $444million :lol:
I don't see this as some slip of the tongue, Romney was too focused and prepared for this debate.
I suspect the comment about PBS had been thought out before hand and Romney/his people thought it would play well with one of the voter demographics they're targetting. Or at least 'bolster' their base at no cost.
Whether that an effective political play, I don't know.
Kind of bizarre to focus on such a relatively small amount of spending, what is it a 10th of the annual USAF air conditioning budget ?
It's almost like they couldn't find many more examples of budget fat/pork to cut.
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 05, 2012, 10:05:23 AM
The question was on cutting the deficit and, this was from what I remember Romney's only specific suggestion, totals $444million :lol:
No he wants to cut this and stuff like it. And that is fine but it will not do anything at all to solve the deficit problem. The things that actually are causing the deficit he wants to double down on.
Quote from: derspiess on October 05, 2012, 09:07:48 AM
I don't understand the Big Bird issue, unless it's just a desperate attempt to latch on to something that can be spun negatively from Mitt's debate performance. PBS gets just 12% of its funding from the gov't., so I would have to think it can survive without it.
Well, Romney himself referred to Big Bird in his response.
I think he was saying he will prioritize the buget for the things that are essential first and cut the non essential programs. He listed a few that included PBS and that he likes Big Bird but sacrifices have to be made to balance the budget.
Now, if he could be more specific how he plans to achieve this budget without raising taxes :hmm:, this trivial stuff would not be news.
Quote from: derspiess on October 05, 2012, 09:07:48 AM
I don't understand the Big Bird issue, unless it's just a desperate attempt to latch on to something that can be spun negatively from Mitt's debate performance.
Well his performance was terrible. It is obvious he has no ideas. And even the ones he said he is not going to to do. PBS will not be cut if he gets elected I am even willing to put some money on it if he does get elected.
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 05, 2012, 10:05:23 AM
The question was on cutting the deficit and, this was from what I remember Romney's only specific suggestion, totals $444million :lol:
Googling about looking for a good "You. Do. Not. Mess. With. Big. Bird." Meme I found a video from The Young Turks where they compare (what they think) the Tax Cuts Sheldon Adelson would get during Romney's first turn (much of it is death taxes on his estate, but the bit about Romneys repatriation tax holiday is still substantial) could fund the government contribution to PBS (not the CPB, just the PBS) for 500 years.
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 05, 2012, 10:05:23 AM
The question was on cutting the deficit and, this was from what I remember Romney's only specific suggestion, totals $444million :lol:
He gave that as an example. He wasn't saying he'd balance the budget by cutting PBS funding-- his larger point was that he'd look at every single gov't. program and determine whether it was worth borrowing 40% of the expenditure to fund it.
I'll grant that it wasn't the best example to use.
Quote from: mongers on October 05, 2012, 10:08:40 AM
Kind of bizarre to focus on such a relatively small amount of spending, what is it a 10th of the annual USAF air conditioning budget ?
It's almost like they couldn't find many more examples of budget fat/pork to cut.
The entire USAF?
Quote from: derspiess on October 05, 2012, 10:27:03 AM
He gave that as an example. He wasn't saying he'd balance the budget by cutting PBS funding-- his larger point was that he'd look at every single gov't. program and determine whether it was worth borrowing 40% of the expenditure to fund it.
I'll grant that it wasn't the best example to use.
Except for military ones. Pity tons of waste there.
I guess what made me so furious is he instantly chose things that the Republicans would want to cut even if there was not a budget deficit.
Quote from: Valmy on October 05, 2012, 11:07:09 AM
Except for military ones. Pity tons of waste there.
Yeah. I would hope that a President Romney would lend an ear to Republican budget hawks like Rand Paul who do not think military spending is a sacred cow.
QuoteI guess what made me so furious is he instantly chose things that the Republicans would want to cut even if there was not a budget deficit.
That does not bother me, but of course I'm a Republican. The libertarian side of me thinks there are many things that should not be federally funded on principle, regardless of their actual budget impact.
Quote from: derspiess on October 05, 2012, 11:27:59 AM
That does not bother me, but of course I'm a Republican. The libertarian side of me thinks there are many things that should not be federally funded on principle, regardless of their actual budget impact.
Well it made me question how serious he was. It is easy for any Republican to promise to cut funding to those things. They have been promising to do for decades. The fact is they never do, but even if they did it would not have much impact on the deficit. We need something bolder.
Quote from: mongers on October 05, 2012, 10:08:40 AM
I don't see this as some slip of the tongue, Romney was too focused and prepared for this debate.
I suspect the comment about PBS had been thought out before hand and Romney/his people thought it would play well with one of the voter demographics they're targetting. Or at least 'bolster' their base at no cost.
Whether that an effective political play, I don't know.
Kind of bizarre to focus on such a relatively small amount of spending, what is it a 10th of the annual USAF air conditioning budget ?
It's almost like they couldn't find many more examples of budget fat/pork to cut.
It's red meat for the Right; every year, Republicans in Congress attempt to defund PBS, and every year it gets shot down because Americans like it. The Right has considered it an indoctrination tool of the Left for decades, what with it concentrating on things like encouraging children to read, learn their numbers and colors, and getting along with each other. It's pure Socialism.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 05, 2012, 12:06:05 PM
Quote from: mongers on October 05, 2012, 10:08:40 AM
I don't see this as some slip of the tongue, Romney was too focused and prepared for this debate.
I suspect the comment about PBS had been thought out before hand and Romney/his people thought it would play well with one of the voter demographics they're targetting. Or at least 'bolster' their base at no cost.
Whether that an effective political play, I don't know.
Kind of bizarre to focus on such a relatively small amount of spending, what is it a 10th of the annual USAF air conditioning budget ?
It's almost like they couldn't find many more examples of budget fat/pork to cut.
It's red meat for the Right; every year, Republicans in Congress attempt to defund PBS, and every year it gets shot down because Americans like it. The Right has considered it an indoctrination tool of the Left for decades, what with it concentrating on things like encouraging children to read, learn their numbers and colors, and getting along with each other. It's pure Socialism.
:D
Yeah, that stuff needs to be stamped out; they should be learning about game theory, prisoner's dilemma and all things Austrian.
Quote from: derspiess on October 05, 2012, 11:27:59 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 05, 2012, 11:07:09 AM
Except for military ones. Pity tons of waste there.
Yeah. I would hope that a President Romney would lend an ear to Republican budget hawks like Rand Paul who do not think military spending is a sacred cow.
Maybe but right now he is saying the opposite.
Quote from: mongers on October 05, 2012, 01:10:42 PM
Yeah, that stuff needs to be stamped out; they should be learning about game theory, prisoner's dilemma and all things Austrian.
Not sure why you would associate GT so closely with Austrian School or the GOP. Oskar Morganstern is the only obvious point of contact and he was not exactly a paragon of Austrian School thought.
Quote from: derspiess on October 05, 2012, 10:27:03 AM
He gave that as an example. He wasn't saying he'd balance the budget by cutting PBS funding-- his larger point was that he'd look at every single gov't. program and determine whether it was worth borrowing 40% of the expenditure to fund it.
I'll grant that it wasn't the best example to use.
As an example it would, I believe, cut the deficit by 0.01% of the deficit. It's pathetic if that's the example that springs to mind - remembering that elsewhere in the debate he promised revenue neutral tax reform (that would keep the proportion of taxes paid by the wealth the same), to increase the defence budget, to increase spending on Medicare and to preserve the education budget.
Personally I think it's a bit of dog-whistle actually. Most of the country just hears it as an example of him cutting programs but for Republicans, who don't like PBS, it's a way of him to say 'don't worry guys, I'm still one of you', without scaring everyone else.
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 05, 2012, 02:04:11 PM
Personally I think it's a bit of dog-whistle actually. Most of the country just hears it as an example of him cutting programs but for Republicans, who don't like PBS, it's a way of him to say 'don't worry guys, I'm still one of you', without scaring everyone else.
While I agree that its mention was 90% dog whistle, I don't think it would've been mentioned if Jim Lehrer wasn't moderating. Mittens was in full-blown CEO mode that night, and that means a dressing down from the end of the conference table.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 05, 2012, 02:07:15 PM
While I agree that its mention was 90% dog whistle, I don't think it would've been mentioned if Jim Lehrer wasn't moderating. Mittens was in full-blown CEO mode that night, and that means a dressing down from the end of the conference table.
If Romney promises death panel the moderator he'll have my undivided and full-throated support.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 05, 2012, 01:13:51 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 05, 2012, 11:27:59 AM
Quote from: Valmy on October 05, 2012, 11:07:09 AM
Except for military ones. Pity tons of waste there.
Yeah. I would hope that a President Romney would lend an ear to Republican budget hawks like Rand Paul who do not think military spending is a sacred cow.
Maybe but right now he is saying the opposite.
I know.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 05, 2012, 02:07:15 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 05, 2012, 02:04:11 PM
Personally I think it's a bit of dog-whistle actually. Most of the country just hears it as an example of him cutting programs but for Republicans, who don't like PBS, it's a way of him to say 'don't worry guys, I'm still one of you', without scaring everyone else.
While I agree that its mention was 90% dog whistle, I don't think it would've been mentioned if Jim Lehrer wasn't moderating. Mittens was in full-blown CEO mode that night, and that means a dressing down from the end of the conference table.
You're both probably right.
Quote from: derspiess on October 05, 2012, 02:29:07 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 05, 2012, 01:13:51 PM
Maybe but right now he is saying the opposite.
I know.
Don't worry; with 5 weeks to go, he'll switch it up about 7, 8 more times.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on October 05, 2012, 02:31:29 PM
Quote from: derspiess on October 05, 2012, 02:29:07 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 05, 2012, 01:13:51 PM
Maybe but right now he is saying the opposite.
I know.
Don't worry; with 5 weeks to go, he'll switch it up about 7, 8 more times.
As long as it gets elected and I can get my Mitt Phone, it'll all be worth it.
Quote from: derspiess on October 05, 2012, 02:39:21 PM
As long as it gets elected and I can get my Mitt Phone, it'll all be worth it.
#AnybodyButTheNigger
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 05, 2012, 01:18:48 PM
Quote from: mongers on October 05, 2012, 01:10:42 PM
Yeah, that stuff needs to be stamped out; they should be learning about game theory, prisoner's dilemma and all things Austrian.
Not sure why you would associate GT so closely with Austrian School or the GOP. Oskar Morganstern is the only obvious point of contact and he was not exactly a paragon of Austrian School thought.
Yi. ;)
:mellow: