In Canada we are again going through another Ecoli in the beef scare. Other countries go through the same thing every few years. People in the media express their amazement that such a thing can happen and all blame gets put on the plant the meat was processed.
But why doesnt anyone in the media mention the real issue - the reason Ecoli baceria is in the guts of the cows in the first place. Industrial farming raising cattle on corn instead of grass.
Is there proof that that's the case? :huh:
I know it's a common annecdote, but I didn't know that there were any studies proving it to be the case.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2012, 03:05:21 PM
In Canada we are again going through another Ecoli in the beef scare. Other countries go through the same thing every few years. People in the media express their amazement that such a thing can happen and all blame gets put on the plant the meat was processed.
But why doesnt anyone in the media mention the real issue - the reason Ecoli baceria is in the guts of the cows in the first place. Industrial farming raising cattle on corn instead of grass.
Never heard of anyone in Alberta feeding corn to cows though, and it's an Alberta plant that had the E-Coli scare.
Quote from: merithyn on October 03, 2012, 03:08:05 PM
Is there proof that that's the case? :huh:
I know it's a common annedote, but I didn't know that there were any studies proving it to be the case.
Its pretty basic. Cows do not eat corn as a natural food source. They are fed corn because it is cheap and heavily subsidized. Because cows are not adapted to eat corn, when they ingest it, their stomachs become acidic. A grass fed cow by comparison has a neutral acidity in its stomach.
The consequence of all this? The bacteria that forms in a grass fed cows stomach(s) is killed when it is ingested by humans becuase of course our digestive system is highly acidic. However the bacteria which survives the acidity of a corn fed cows digestive system is not killed off in our digestive tract. One of those strains of bacteria which found in a cow that is corn fed is Ecoli.
The reason Ecoli does not form in grass fed cows (or at least not as easily) is because it is outcompeted by the numerous strains of bacteria that are harmless to us - all of which are killed off when a cows stomach(s) because acidic. Which leaves the ecoli bacteria room to grow and thrive.
I don't think it's related. Deers can have the disease in the wild. Unsure about mooses.
Besides, cows we raise strictly for food are usually kept outside* and given cut grass for food rather than corn. They forage on the land + what is given to them. Those who are fed on corn are the milk cows, usually kept indoor all year long. Same with pigs and chicken. Chicken are also fed their own excrements.
Yet, we're talking about the goold old cows raised outdoor.
They still use a lot of genetics to grow them, but food-wise, it's mostly grass.
*Depending on the location, stables may still be necessary for winter time to avoid too many losses.
Quote from: Barrister on October 03, 2012, 03:10:05 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2012, 03:05:21 PM
In Canada we are again going through another Ecoli in the beef scare. Other countries go through the same thing every few years. People in the media express their amazement that such a thing can happen and all blame gets put on the plant the meat was processed.
But why doesnt anyone in the media mention the real issue - the reason Ecoli baceria is in the guts of the cows in the first place. Industrial farming raising cattle on corn instead of grass.
Never heard of anyone in Alberta feeding corn to cows though, and it's an Alberta plant that had the E-Coli scare.
That plant processes a lot of beef from factory farms - and not just from Alberta. It is true that there are still a lot of ranches there that raise grass fed beef (thank goodness). My butcher sources his beef from one such ranch. Typically those smaller operations will send their beef to small scale slaughter houses. But there are also industrial feed lots in your province as well.
Quote from: viper37 on October 03, 2012, 03:14:18 PM
I don't think it's related.
The lack of knowledge around this is what drives me crazy.
Btw, if you have never heard of it BB, just check out the industry website
http://www.albertabeef.org/industry/beef-production-chain/
QuoteFeedlot FinishingHistorically, cattle were finished in small farm feedlots. Today, highly specialized cattle feedlots feed most of the province's cattle to market weight. Alberta's natural resources and climate are especially suitable to the cattle feeding industry. There are now 4,000 feedlots in Alberta, making the province the fifth largest cattle feeding area in North America.
Although feedlots can range in size from a capacity of few hundred head to almost 40,000 cattle at one time, the larger-sized feedlots now finish the majority of cattle in Alberta. About 100 feedlots with capacities over 1,000 head produce at least 75 per cent of the finished beef cattle in the province. The feedlot system produces a consistently uniform and high quality beef product for the consumer. Alberta's feedlot industry is primarily located in the south central and southern regions of the province, in close proximity to the beef processing plants located in southern Alberta.
Its the large feedlots that are the problem. They are feeding the cattle corn - not grass.
Would finishing cause the issue you're addressing? I mean, to finish cattle with corn is only giving them that for the final couple of weeks that they're alive, usually, while they're rounding them up to get them ready for slaughter.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2012, 03:18:11 PM
Quote from: viper37 on October 03, 2012, 03:14:18 PM
I don't think it's related.
The lack of knowledge around this is what drives me crazy.
Well, to be fair, "the influence of feeding patterns on
e. coli etology in modern beef processing" is not exactly the sort of thing that is really
likely to be common knowledge - though no doubt it makes for amusing dinner-time conversation. :D
Quote from: merithyn on October 03, 2012, 03:28:36 PM
Would finishing cause the issue you're addressing? I mean, to finish cattle with corn is only giving them that for the final couple of weeks that they're alive, usually, while they're rounding them up to get them ready for slaughter.
It depends. They only need to be there long enough to turn their stomach acidic. I dont know how long that takes. But most cattle are there more than just a couple weeks. A lot of cattle are put on corn as soon as they are weaned because it is a cheap alternative feed. So the finishing you are talking about often takes place with cattle that have already been given a heavy diet of corn.
Quote from: Malthus on October 03, 2012, 03:29:41 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2012, 03:18:11 PM
Quote from: viper37 on October 03, 2012, 03:14:18 PM
I don't think it's related.
The lack of knowledge around this is what drives me crazy.
Well, to be fair, "the influence of feeding patterns on e. coli etology in modern beef processing" is not exactly the sort of thing that is really likely to be common knowledge - though no doubt it makes for amusing dinner-time conversation. :D
Exactly why the lack of such information in the media reporting on these kinds of issues does drive me nuts. Not the fact that Viper doesnt know it.
I don't really see what this thread has to do with the relationship between ecoli and myself.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2012, 03:32:41 PM
It depends. They only need to be there long enough to turn their stomach acidic. I dont know how long that takes. But most cattle are there more than just a couple weeks. A lot of cattle are put on corn as soon as they are weaned because it is a cheap alternative feed. So the finishing you are talking about often takes place with cattle that have already been given a heavy diet of corn.
No, that's different. Finishing is specific to grass-fed cattle who are being prepared to be slaughtered. Otherwise, they're called grain-fed cattle. By law - at least in the US - there has to be a distinction due to labeling requirements.
Quote from: garbon on October 03, 2012, 03:35:49 PM
I don't really see what this thread has to do with the relationship between ecoli and myself.
Knowledge is power? :unsure:
If you limit your diet to grass-fed beef, according to CC, you do not run the risk of getting E-coli.
Quote from: merithyn on October 03, 2012, 03:37:52 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2012, 03:32:41 PM
It depends. They only need to be there long enough to turn their stomach acidic. I dont know how long that takes. But most cattle are there more than just a couple weeks. A lot of cattle are put on corn as soon as they are weaned because it is a cheap alternative feed. So the finishing you are talking about often takes place with cattle that have already been given a heavy diet of corn.
No, that's different. Finishing is specific to grass-fed cattle who are being prepared to be slaughtered. Otherwise, they're called grain-fed cattle. By law - at least in the US - there has to be a distinction due to labeling requirements.
You are incorrect about that distinction. All cattle get "finished". Read the link I posted above.
The thing that is very rare to find is cattle that are never fed corn (or as you want to call it "grain")
what I mean is that corn based food are served to milk cows, combined with dried and fresh grass.
It's not that used for "beef" cows.
A specific type of veal will be raised on grain, but for mature cows, it will be much more expensive than grass.
They may give them the corn plant though, rather than the dried product.
Quote from: garbon on October 03, 2012, 03:35:49 PM
I don't really see what this thread has to do with the relationship between ecoli and myself.
you'll be safe this week-end. No self respecting Quebec city restaurant would import meat from Alberta :P
Quote from: viper37 on October 03, 2012, 03:40:47 PM
what I mean is that corn based food are served to milk cows, combined with dried and fresh grass.
It's not that used for "beef" cows.
Quebec must be a marvelous place indeed if there is no such thing as corn fed cattle there.
Quote from: merithyn on October 03, 2012, 03:39:10 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 03, 2012, 03:35:49 PM
I don't really see what this thread has to do with the relationship between ecoli and myself.
Knowledge is power? :unsure:
If you limit your diet to grass-fed beef, according to CC, you do not run the risk of getting E-coli.
Isn't ecoli a bring problem with chicken?
Also - if only everyone could afford to eat grass fed beef...:(
Quote from: merithyn on October 03, 2012, 03:39:10 PM
If you limit your diet to grass-fed beef, according to CC, you do not run the risk of getting E-coli.
there is always a risk, but it seems it is less prevalent.
As a rule of thumb, don't eat bloody burger meat, only well done.
Quote from: garbon on October 03, 2012, 03:42:59 PM
Also - if only everyone could afford to eat grass fed beef...:(
The problem isnt so much that grass feed beef is too expensive, it is that heavily subsidized corn warps our food production system so that it encourages beef to be raised in this manner,
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2012, 03:44:32 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 03, 2012, 03:42:59 PM
Also - if only everyone could afford to eat grass fed beef...:(
The problem isnt so much that grass feed beef is too expensive, it is that heavily subsidized corn warps our food production system so that it encourages beef to be raised in this manner,
Ok? Still not really sure what that has to do with me. Should I march on Washington and Ontario to demand the end of corn subsidies?
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2012, 03:42:40 PM
Quebec must be a marvelous place indeed if there is no such thing as corn fed cattle there.
it's a minor part of their feeding. But most of the cows you'll see here are milk cows. They get to the food processing plant at the end of their useful life when the only thing you can do with them is burger meat, and event then, most of it must go for cat&dog food. Milk cows do indeed eat a lot of corn based food and are way, way, way more industrial than regular cattle.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2012, 03:40:28 PM
You are incorrect about that distinction. All cattle get "finished". Read the link I posted above.
The thing that is very rare to find is cattle that are never fed corn (or as you want to call it "grain")
You're right. My mistake. I was thinking of the cattle that are grass fed at the end to eliminate the risk of E-coli, and then got it all mixed around.
I call it grain because it's not all corn. A number of industrial beef farms use barley instead of corn. It has the same affect as the corn, I think, so a distinction may not be necessary. It was just for clarity that I used the term grain.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2012, 03:44:32 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 03, 2012, 03:42:59 PM
Also - if only everyone could afford to eat grass fed beef...:(
The problem isnt so much that grass feed beef is too expensive, it is that heavily subsidized corn warps our food production system so that it encourages beef to be raised in this manner,
I'm pretty damn sure Canada doesn't subsidize corn...
Quote from: garbon on October 03, 2012, 03:45:40 PM
Should I march on Washington and Ontario to demand the end of corn subsidies?
You're a Republican. Your party is advocating for a smaller government and less expenses. You'll get slaughtered for suggesting that.
Quote from: merithyn on October 03, 2012, 03:47:27 PM
I call it grain because it's not all corn. A number of industrial beef farms use barley instead of corn. It has the same affect as the corn, I think, so a distinction may not be necessary. It was just for clarity that I used the term grain.
I would be interested to see a link that showed some feed lots use no corn. My understanding is that corn is the preferred feed because it is so heavily subsidized. I forget the stats on it but feedlots are essentially buying the feed for less than the cost of production.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2012, 03:50:25 PM
I would be interested to see a link that showed some feed lots use no corn. My understanding is that corn is the preferred feed because it is so heavily subsidized. I forget the stats on it but feedlots are essentially buying the feed for less than the cost of production.
QuoteCattle called "corn-fed," "grain-fed" or "corn-finished" are typically fattened on maize, soy and other types of feed for several months before slaughter. As a high-starch, high-energy food, corn decreases the time to fatten cattle and increases yield from dairy cattle. Some corn-feed cattle are fattened in concentrated animal feeding operations.
In the United States, most grass-fed cattle are raised for beef production. Dairy cattle may be supplemented with grain to increase the efficiency of production and reduce the area needed to support the energy requirements of the herd.
A growing number of health and environmental proponents in the United States such as the Union of Concerned Scientists advocate raising cattle on pasture and other forage. Complete adoption of farming practices like grass-fed beef production systems would increase the amount of land needed to raise beef but reduce land used to grow soy and corn to feed them.
From Wiki, but with this citation: Burney JA, Davis SJ, Lobell DB. Greenhouse gas mitigation by agricultural intensification. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2010 Jun 29;107(26):12052-7
Quote from: viper37 on October 03, 2012, 03:49:46 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 03, 2012, 03:45:40 PM
Should I march on Washington and Ontario to demand the end of corn subsidies?
You're a Republican. Your party is advocating for a smaller government and less expenses. You'll get slaughtered for suggesting that.
Almost everyone I come into contact with on a daily basis is a democrat so I think I've done well so far avoiding a slaughter. Also asking for the gov't to stop spending money on corn would sound like smaller govt with less expenses. :huh:
Quote from: Barrister on October 03, 2012, 03:47:44 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2012, 03:44:32 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 03, 2012, 03:42:59 PM
Also - if only everyone could afford to eat grass fed beef...:(
The problem isnt so much that grass feed beef is too expensive, it is that heavily subsidized corn warps our food production system so that it encourages beef to be raised in this manner,
I'm pretty damn sure Canada doesn't subsidize corn...
As sure as you were that no corn is fed to cattle in Alberta BB.... :P
There are a couple of points here BB.
First, the type of corn we are talking about. The type of corn fed to cattle is not fit for human consumption. It is a different kind of variety of corn that is cheaper to grow. Also the kind of corn that is used in ethanol production which IIRC is in fact subsidized by the Canadian government.
Second, the Americans ship their subsidized corn here for feed. Canadian farmers complain because they accuse the Americans of dumping.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2012, 03:50:25 PM
Quote from: merithyn on October 03, 2012, 03:47:27 PM
I call it grain because it's not all corn. A number of industrial beef farms use barley instead of corn. It has the same affect as the corn, I think, so a distinction may not be necessary. It was just for clarity that I used the term grain.
I would be interested to see a link that showed some feed lots use no corn. My understanding is that corn is the preferred feed because it is so heavily subsidized. I forget the stats on it but feedlots are essentially buying the feed for less than the cost of production.
Canada doesn't subsidize corn. :contract:
Quote from: Barrister on October 03, 2012, 03:57:28 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2012, 03:50:25 PM
Quote from: merithyn on October 03, 2012, 03:47:27 PM
I call it grain because it's not all corn. A number of industrial beef farms use barley instead of corn. It has the same affect as the corn, I think, so a distinction may not be necessary. It was just for clarity that I used the term grain.
I would be interested to see a link that showed some feed lots use no corn. My understanding is that corn is the preferred feed because it is so heavily subsidized. I forget the stats on it but feedlots are essentially buying the feed for less than the cost of production.
Canada doesn't subsidize corn. :contract:
Yes it does.
But in any event our feed lots get plenty of American corn for feed.
@ Meri, your link doesnt say they dont use corn. Its just that they may supplement the corn with other starches as well. It would be economic suicide for a large feed lot to cut corn out entirely given how cheap it is.
Also, from the same Wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_feeding#cite_note-16):
QuoteCanada
The majority of beef cattle in Ontario are finished on a corn (maize)-based diet, whereas Western Canadian beef is finished on a barley-based diet. This rule is not absolute, however, as producers in both regions will alter the mix of feed grains according to changes in feed prices. Research by the Ontario government claims that, while Alberta beef producers have organized a successful marketing campaign promoting Alberta's barley-fed beef, corn-fed and barley-fed beef have a similar cost, quality, and taste.[4]
[4]"Virtual Beef Newsletter - Corn or Barley for feeding Steers". Omafra.gov.on.ca. 2004-08-20. http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/livestock/beef/news/vbn0804a3.htm. Retrieved 2009-11-08.
You didnt highlight the part about the feed mixture being changed based on price....
Also it is a mixture. Nothing says corn is completely absent.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2012, 03:59:19 PM
@ Meri, your link doesnt say they dont use corn. Its just that they may supplement the corn with other starches as well. It would be economic suicide for a large feed lot to cut corn out entirely given how cheap it is.
I didn't claim otherwise. :huh: I merely said that I use the term "grain-fed" rather than "corn-fed" because grain is more accurate.
Quote from: merithyn on October 03, 2012, 04:01:44 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2012, 03:59:19 PM
@ Meri, your link doesnt say they dont use corn. Its just that they may supplement the corn with other starches as well. It would be economic suicide for a large feed lot to cut corn out entirely given how cheap it is.
I didn't claim otherwise. :huh: I merely said that I use the term "grain-fed" rather than "corn-fed" because grain is more accurate.
Ok I thought you were suggesting there are some instances where corn is not used at all.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2012, 04:02:29 PM
Ok I thought you were suggesting there are some instances where corn is not used at all.
I believe that there are, though I couldn't pull any kind of citation out for that at the moment. In some areas, barley is cheaper, easier to grow, and more resistant to a variety of ecological problems that corn can't withstand. There aren't a lot, granted, and I agree that the corn subsidy should be abolished, but I'm not willing to say that it's an all-or-nothing campaign.
Even abolishing the corn subsidy, there will still be grain-fed cattle. It's cheaper, easier, and generally, better tasting. (Hell, even the Japanese are importing grain now for their cattle because they prefer the taste and texture over all grass-fed beef.)
We had a major e-coli outbreak last year that killed more than 50 people and infected about 4000. That wasn't caused by beef though, but by organic sprouts.
Quote from: Zanza on October 03, 2012, 04:12:35 PM
We had a major e-coli outbreak last year that killed more than 50 people and infected about 4000. That wasn't caused by beef though, but by organic sprouts.
Those sprouts probably did it deliberately. :ph34r:
Quote from: merithyn on October 03, 2012, 04:06:12 PM
generally, better tasting.
My God, have you had grass fed beef. I mean real grass fed beef.
It is scary. Sometimes vegetarianism seems to be the only answer. But Fuck, I love my steaks.
Quote from: Josephus on October 03, 2012, 04:50:34 PM
It is scary. Sometimes vegetarianism seems to be the only answer. But Fuck, I love my steaks.
Not really see as how Zanza pointed out that there have been ecoli outbreaks from veggies.
Quote from: garbon on October 03, 2012, 04:56:13 PM
Quote from: Josephus on October 03, 2012, 04:50:34 PM
It is scary. Sometimes vegetarianism seems to be the only answer. But Fuck, I love my steaks.
Not really see as how Zanza pointed out that there have been ecoli outbreaks from veggies.
No, you failed to notice "organic", that means it's 100% superfood and can do you no harm; the 50 people were killed directly by Monsanto hired assassins.
All the beef I buy is grass-fed, and raised locally. Yep, Kentucky is pretty great. :cool:
Yet still in Kentucky, so fail.
Quote from: Caliga on October 03, 2012, 05:25:38 PM
All the beef I buy is grass-fed, and raised locally. Yep, Kentucky is pretty great. :cool:
Does it give the beef a blue tint?
:sleep:
I'm way too poor to have a real choice in the matter. I buy whatever is cheap.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2012, 04:46:13 PM
Quote from: merithyn on October 03, 2012, 04:06:12 PM
generally, better tasting.
My God, have you had grass fed beef. I mean real grass fed beef.
@Mart - here's another example...though he seems to have created this thread to show off.
Quote from: mongers on October 03, 2012, 05:07:21 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 03, 2012, 04:56:13 PM
Quote from: Josephus on October 03, 2012, 04:50:34 PM
It is scary. Sometimes vegetarianism seems to be the only answer. But Fuck, I love my steaks.
Not really see as how Zanza pointed out that there have been ecoli outbreaks from veggies.
No, you failed to notice "organic", that means it's 100% superfood and can do you no harm; the 50 people were killed directly by Monsanto hired assassins.
My apologies. -_-
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2012, 04:46:13 PM
Quote from: merithyn on October 03, 2012, 04:06:12 PM
generally, better tasting.
My God, have you had grass fed beef. I mean real grass fed beef.
Yes, often. I prefer the marbling I find in grain-fed cattle for flavor. Texture goes to grass-fed, though, hands down.
However, I wasn't stating my preference. I was stating what the national (and international) markets say. Like I said, the Japanese prefer grain-fed cattle so much they're willing to pay a premium to get the grain to feed their cattle.
Quote from: garbon on October 04, 2012, 07:41:49 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2012, 04:46:13 PM
Quote from: merithyn on October 03, 2012, 04:06:12 PM
generally, better tasting.
My God, have you had grass fed beef. I mean real grass fed beef.
@Mart - here's another example...though he seems to have created this thread to show off.
No, its just amazing that there is a view out there that industrial beef tastes better.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 04, 2012, 10:47:05 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 04, 2012, 07:41:49 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2012, 04:46:13 PM
Quote from: merithyn on October 03, 2012, 04:06:12 PM
generally, better tasting.
My God, have you had grass fed beef. I mean real grass fed beef.
@Mart - here's another example...though he seems to have created this thread to show off.
No, its just amazing that there is a view out there that industrial beef tastes better.
Let's see you started a thread in which you've shown your superiority for not freaking about ecoli as well as having the solution to the ecoli beef problem. Then you shared how you know about the superiorities of grass-feed beef over grain-feed.
Yeah Marti's characterization of you seems about right for this thread as well.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 04, 2012, 10:47:05 AM
No, its just amazing that there is a view out there that industrial beef tastes better.
:huh:
Why? It's a personal preference just like most flavors. How can that seriously surprise you?
Quote from: merithyn on October 04, 2012, 11:23:43 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 04, 2012, 10:47:05 AM
No, its just amazing that there is a view out there that industrial beef tastes better.
:huh:
Why? It's a personal preference just like most flavors. How can that seriously surprise you?
You are going all Slargo on me now.
I will grant you that some people might become accustomed to a more fatty meat.
Here is an interesting article on the things that can effect the taste - not all grass fed beef is created equal.
Quote"Meat from grass-fed and corn-fed animals will taste different, and even grass-fed animals from different regions or different seasons can have a different flavor profile," says Sean M. Hays, Chief Operating Officer of La Cense Beef, a Montana-based ranch specializing in grass-fed beef. At La Cense, the cattle are fed a combination of bluebunch wheatgrass, rye grass, and a little bit of alfalfa, along with a plethora of other plants. "The variety of grass on our ranch and in this region is the crux of the flavor profile we achieve," he explains. "Seasonality can also change the flavor profile because the feed changes." At La Cense, the slaughter is timed to when the cattle have been feeding on the tallest and most nutritious grasses.
"Cattle that will perform well in the hill country of Texas are not the same that will perform well in the Northeast," says White Oak's Harris. At his ranch, the cows graze on 100% organic native style grasses in the summer, including four species of Bermuda grass and three species of Bahai grass, but in the cool season White Oak cows are eating rye, rye grass, and clover.
While farmers in Texas and Montana need more acreage to get the grass their cattle needs, the East Coast is more efficient. "The Northeast is blessed with an incredible growing season," said Grazin' Angus's Gibson. In the lush Columbia, New York countryside, cattle can chew grass all year long.
The goal is to get the best possible nutrition from the grass. It's not something most people think about, but grass is filled with nutrients, including carbs and protein. Cows can get enough protein from grass, but they need high-quality grass for energy. "It was energy that drove the American farmer to grain," Dan Gibson said. But by selecting the right grasses—high in sugar and carbohydrates, you get both the energy and a food that cows can digest well. Gibson uses a blend of three different rye grasses, orchard grass, and clover. The cows need sugar and carbohydrates to absorb the protein faster and to turn the excess into healthy omega-three laden fat, which results in marbling that rivals corn-fed beef.
"On good grass, you get more marbling in the meat," asserts Wendy Taggart of Burgundy Pasture Beef in Grandview, Texas. "Some plants that an animal eats, such as wild onions, can have a distinct effect on the flavor. We find more earthy flavors in meats when the grasses are greener or more lush."
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Quote from: garbon on October 04, 2012, 11:15:34 AM
Let's see you started a thread in which you've shown your superiority for not freaking about ecoli as well as having the solution to the ecoli beef problem. Then you shared how you know about the superiorities of grass-feed beef over grain-feed.
Stop being an idiot. I started the thread freaking out about the fact that people are not dealing with the real cause people die from ecoli bacteria in meat.
If you cant handle the fact I am superior in other ways stay out of my threads.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 04, 2012, 01:29:34 PM
If you cant handle the fact I am superior in other ways stay out of my threads.
:lol:
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 04, 2012, 01:28:03 PM
Quote from: merithyn on October 04, 2012, 11:23:43 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 04, 2012, 10:47:05 AM
No, its just amazing that there is a view out there that industrial beef tastes better.
:huh:
Why? It's a personal preference just like most flavors. How can that seriously surprise you?
You are going all Slargo on me now.
I will grant you that some people might become accustomed to a more fatty meat.
Here is an interesting article on the things that can effect the taste - not all grass fed beef is created equal.
So you've actually answered your own question.
Quote from: merithyn on October 04, 2012, 01:51:02 PM
So you've actually answered your own question.
It wasnt a question. Just an observation that some people can become accustomed to an inferior product.
And before Garbon goes crazy again - inferior from the point of view of the impact on the enviornment and health of those eating it.
So I've a question. Hypothetically if the CC clan were to go on a roadtrip - would they have a car following behind with their catered meals?
Quote from: garbon on October 07, 2012, 06:02:21 PM
So I've a question. Hypothetically if the CC clan were to go on a roadtrip - would they have a car following behind with their catered meals?
No, we take our road trips in Italy so there is no need for such a thing.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 04, 2012, 10:47:05 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 04, 2012, 07:41:49 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 03, 2012, 04:46:13 PM
Quote from: merithyn on October 03, 2012, 04:06:12 PM
generally, better tasting.
My God, have you had grass fed beef. I mean real grass fed beef.
@Mart - here's another example...though he seems to have created this thread to show off.
No, its just amazing that there is a view out there that industrial beef tastes better.
It's all about what you're raised on. I grew up eating corn fed beef. When I visited Australia as a kid I absolutely hated the beef there since it was all grass fed. There isn't anything intrinsically superior about the taste of either. It comes down to what your mind expects beef to taste like.
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 08, 2012, 11:19:21 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 07, 2012, 06:02:21 PM
So I've a question. Hypothetically if the CC clan were to go on a roadtrip - would they have a car following behind with their catered meals?
No, we take our road trips in Italy so there is no need for such a thing.
Did you miss that it was a hypothetical?