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QuoteViewing hours are almost... are very similar [in Canada] to the US. The problem in Canada is not content, the problem in Canada, which is one of our strongest markets, is they have almost third world access to the internet. Not because it's constrained for any reason except for money. They have very low datacaps with all the broadband providers in Canada and they charge an enormous amount if you go over your broadband cap. It made us be much more innovative about compression and delivery technology so we are less broadband consumptive in Canada... It's almost a human rights violation what they charge for internet access in Canada.
Damn right!
Yeah, it's a bunch of bs perpetrated by pseudo-monopolists.
It's unfortunate that Sarandos immediately loses all credibility he has when discussing the otherwise reasonable point of our crappy internet when he calls it "almost a human rights violation". :rolleyes:
First World Rights, motherfucker.
First step in fixing the problem. Effective separation of Distribution & Retail. For Bell, Rogers, Videotron, Shaw. Everyone.
Quote from: Barrister on September 18, 2012, 09:59:39 AM
It's unfortunate that Sarandos immediately loses all credibility he has when discussing the otherwise reasonable point of our crappy internet when he calls it "almost a human rights violation". :rolleyes:
are our governments extending internet access to semi-remote areas with public fundings? I think so. Federal government and provincial governments alike all have plans for extending high speed internet access to cover an area as wide as possible. I'd say this has come to qualify as a human right of some sort. Same thing for telephone and electricity companies forced to offer their services to people up to a certain distance from a public road. Over time, it has become a right.
Quote from: viper37 on September 18, 2012, 12:57:27 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 18, 2012, 09:59:39 AM
It's unfortunate that Sarandos immediately loses all credibility he has when discussing the otherwise reasonable point of our crappy internet when he calls it "almost a human rights violation". :rolleyes:
are our governments extending internet access to semi-remote areas with public fundings? I think so. Federal government and provincial governments alike all have plans for extending high speed internet access to cover an area as wide as possible. I'd say this has come to qualify as a human right of some sort. Same thing for telephone and electricity companies forced to offer their services to people up to a certain distance from a public road. Over time, it has become a right.
Government providing a service does not mean something becomes a right.
Quote from: Barrister on September 18, 2012, 01:00:13 PM
Government providing a service does not mean something becomes a right.
Actually, pretty much. Once it's given, it's assumed as a right.
Quote from: viper37 on September 18, 2012, 01:04:51 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 18, 2012, 01:00:13 PM
Government providing a service does not mean something becomes a right.
Actually, pretty much. Once it's given, it's assumed as a right.
Nope.
Quote from: viper37 on September 18, 2012, 01:04:51 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 18, 2012, 01:00:13 PM
Government providing a service does not mean something becomes a right.
Actually, pretty much. Once it's given, it's assumed as a right.
:lol:
Governments make budgets every year in which they give and take away these "rights".
"Stuff First Worlders Complain About". :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on September 18, 2012, 01:18:00 PM
"Stuff First Worlders Complain About". :lol:
:lol:
Who knows what might happen when angry young men cant download their porn quickly.
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 18, 2012, 01:24:56 PM
Quote from: Malthus on September 18, 2012, 01:18:00 PM
"Stuff First Worlders Complain About". :lol:
:lol:
Who knows what might happen when angry young men cant download their porn quickly.
My internet connection goes out at about 1 in the morning every night. It's like clockwork. I'm going to protest at an Embassy. I'll see if I can find that US embassy that Marty thought might be in Kansas.
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 18, 2012, 01:16:39 PM
:lol:
Governments make budgets every year in which they give and take away these "rights".
and lo&behold, there are massive protests every time. Just try to change Canada's health care law. Or imagine a city like Toronto or Vancouver decides to not offer clean water to all citizens as a way to balance its budget. Say from now on, only 1/4 f the city gets unlimited access to clean water for a premium, 1/4 has a quota after wich there is no more water, and the other half must install their own pumps and filtration system.
AFAIK, access to water is not a right. You can't sue your village for not providing an aqueduct or a sewer network with a filtration system.
Quote from: Malthus on September 18, 2012, 01:18:00 PM
"Stuff First Worlders Complain About". :lol:
People in 3rd world countries probably don't complain about waiting 16-24 months for a hip replacement, so we shouldn't complain. Heck, they don't even complain about lack of clean water, so why all the fuss about Walkerton???
Quote from: viper37 on September 18, 2012, 01:54:30 PM
Quote from: Malthus on September 18, 2012, 01:18:00 PM
"Stuff First Worlders Complain About". :lol:
People in 3rd world countries probably don't complain about waiting 16-24 months for a hip replacement, so we shouldn't complain. Heck, they don't even complain about lack of clean water, so why all the fuss about Walkerton???
'Fast porn downloads: as important to our lives as our own hips ... and water'. :D
Quote from: viper37 on September 18, 2012, 01:52:59 PM
Or imagine a city like Toronto or Vancouver decides to not offer clean water to all citizens as a way to balance its budget. Say from now on, only 1/4 f the city gets unlimited access to clean water for a premium, 1/4 has a quota after wich there is no more water, and the other half must install their own pumps and filtration system.
AFAIK, access to water is not a right. You can't sue your village for not providing an aqueduct or a sewer network with a filtration system.
This is a slightly different situation. Generally speaking, if government is going to provide a service, they need to try and ensure that all citizens can access that service. So if you're going to provide water, you need to try and provide it to everyone.
But that doesn't mean access to water is a right.
Does the French language make a distinction between "privileges" and "rights"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_water
Quote from: viper37 on September 18, 2012, 01:04:51 PM
Quote from: Barrister on September 18, 2012, 01:00:13 PM
Government providing a service does not mean something becomes a right.
Actually, pretty much. Once it's given, it's assumed as a right.
If true, a good argument for governments not providing any services other than those that absolutely can't be provided for otherwise.
Quote from: Grey Fox on September 18, 2012, 10:02:42 AM
First World Rights, motherfucker.
First step in fixing the problem. Effective separation of Distribution & Retail. For Bell, Rogers, Videotron, Shaw. Everyone.
It will never happen. I envision a day not too far off when Rogers and Bell...with a bit of token support from Shaw, and maybe Videotron, will own everything in Canada.
Quote from: Malthus on September 18, 2012, 01:57:54 PM
'Fast porn downloads: as important to our lives as our own hips ... and water'. :D
Well, in Japan they fondle boobs to fight AIDS, so we're no worst! :P
Quote from: Barrister on September 18, 2012, 01:59:45 PM
This is a slightly different situation. Generally speaking, if government is going to provide a service, they need to try and ensure that all citizens can access that service. So if you're going to provide water, you need to try and provide it to everyone.
Nice theory. If only that were true, we'd all be socialists :P
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But that doesn't mean access to water is a right.
It isn't. In theory. Just try cutting this service :)
There are rights, and there are rights. There are fundamental human rights, and then, there are stuff people get used to: television with cable, phone, high speed internet, clean water, etc. When you tell people you're a place where you don't have these, they look at you as if you were from the 3rd world.
Quote from: viper37 on September 19, 2012, 10:27:52 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 18, 2012, 01:59:45 PM
This is a slightly different situation. Generally speaking, if government is going to provide a service, they need to try and ensure that all citizens can access that service. So if you're going to provide water, you need to try and provide it to everyone.
Nice theory. If only that were true, we'd all be socialists :P
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But that doesn't mean access to water is a right.
It isn't. In theory. Just try cutting this service :)
There are rights, and there are rights. There are fundamental human rights, and then, there are stuff people get used to: television with cable, phone, high speed internet, clean water, etc. When you tell people you're a place where you don't have these, they look at you as if you were from the 3rd world.
They should try living in the north. :)
I mean sure - Whitehorse had everything you mention. But once you get past Whitehorse city limits... every single one of those factors becomes more questionable. There are people who live in places without access to a power grid (most have generators though), have no phone,, no cable (might have satellite), and the water is only as clean as the river or lake they draw it from...
And then your wife makes you move back to civilization :P
Quote from: HVC on September 19, 2012, 10:56:32 AM
And then your wife makes you move back to civilization :P
:(
Quote from: HVC on September 19, 2012, 10:56:32 AM
And then your wife makes you move back to civilization :P
:huh:
He moved to Edmonton
Quote from: viper37 on September 18, 2012, 01:52:59 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 18, 2012, 01:16:39 PM
:lol:
Governments make budgets every year in which they give and take away these "rights".
and lo&behold, there are massive protests every time. Just try to change Canada's health care law. Or imagine a city like Toronto or Vancouver decides to not offer clean water to all citizens as a way to balance its budget. Say from now on, only 1/4 f the city gets unlimited access to clean water for a premium, 1/4 has a quota after wich there is no more water, and the other half must install their own pumps and filtration system.
AFAIK, access to water is not a right. You can't sue your village for not providing an aqueduct or a sewer network with a filtration system.
That is an odd reaction. Your inital claim was that internet service at a particular level had somehow become elevated to the status of a "right". Now you are suggesting that it is not actually a right but akin to the necessities of life such as access to medical care, clean water and sewage.
I got more broadband at home than I know what to do with. But then I don't live in a Socialist hellhole.
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 19, 2012, 01:02:51 PM
That is an odd reaction. Your inital claim was that internet service at a particular level had somehow become elevated to the status of a "right". Now you are suggesting that it is not actually a right but akin to the necessities of life such as access to medical care, clean water and sewage.
In the minds of some people, yes, it's akin to such neccessities. Because we have been accustomed to it. Just like electricity. We can live without electricity, we'd have crossbows and walk on foot :P
Now, communication is certainly a need, and internet is a way to communicate, juste like phone.
Quote from: The Brain on September 19, 2012, 01:17:07 PM
I got more broadband at home than I know what to do with. But then I don't live in a Socialist hellhole.
Whats your current speed?
I was thinking of upgrading to one of those 250 mbit/s but decided against it since I barely tax my 100 mbit to capacity.
Quote from: Cecil on September 19, 2012, 02:48:36 PM
Quote from: The Brain on September 19, 2012, 01:17:07 PM
I got more broadband at home than I know what to do with. But then I don't live in a Socialist hellhole.
Whats your current speed?
I was thinking of upgrading to one of those 250 mbit/s but decided against it since I barely tax my 100 mbit to capacity.
Only 100. For the primary. Secondary broadband is 8.
Quote from: dps on September 18, 2012, 04:01:24 PM
If true, a good argument for governments not providing any services other than those that absolutely can't be provided for otherwise.
99% of the population agrees with you. They just don't agree with the what can't be provided.
See, Caliga might think universal access to breast implants is a good idea, while we may not.