http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-boy-scouts-files-20120916,0,6937684.story
QuoteBoy Scouts helped alleged molesters cover tracks, files show
When volunteers and employees were suspected of sexually abusing children, Boy Scout officials often didn't tell police, files from 1970-91 reveal. In many cases they sought to hide the situation.
Over two decades, the Boy Scouts of America failed to report hundreds of alleged child molesters to police and often hid the allegations from parents and the public.
A Los Angeles Times review of 1,600 confidential files dating from 1970 to 1991 has found that Scouting officials frequently urged admitted offenders to quietly resign — and helped many cover their tracks.
Volunteers and employees suspected of abuse were allowed to leave citing bogus reasons such as business demands, "chronic brain dysfunction" and duties at a Shakespeare festival.
Documents: A paper trail of abuse
The details are contained in the organization's confidential "perversion files," a blacklist of alleged molesters, that the Scouts have used internally since 1919. Scouts' lawyers around the country have been fighting in court to keep the files from public view.
As The Times reported in August, the blacklist often didn't work: Men expelled for alleged abuses slipped back into the program, only to be accused of molesting again. Now, a more extensive review has shown that Scouts sometimes abetted molesters by keeping allegations under wraps.
In the majority of cases, the Scouts learned of alleged abuse after it had been reported to authorities. But in more than 500 instances, the Scouts learned about it from boys, parents, staff members or anonymous tips.
Discuss: Boy Scouts and alleged child molesters
In about 400 of those cases — 80% — there is no record of Scouting officials reporting the allegations to police. In more than 100 of the cases, officials actively sought to conceal the alleged abuse or allowed the suspects to hide it, The Times found.
In 1982, a Michigan Boy Scout camp director who learned of allegations of repeated abuse by a staff member told police he didn't promptly report them because his bosses wanted to protect the reputation of the Scouts and the accused staff member.
"He stated that he had been advised by his supervisors and legal counsel that he should neutralize the situation and keep it quiet," according to a police report in the file.
That same year, the director of a Boy Scout camp in Virginia wrote to the Scouts' top lawyer, asking for help dealing with a veteran employee suspected of a "lifelong pattern" of abuse that had not been reported to police.
"When a problem has surfaced, he has been asked to leave a position 'of his own free will' rather than risk further investigation," the director wrote. "The time has come for someone to make a stand and prevent further occurrences."
There is no indication the Scouts took the matter to law enforcement.
In 1976, five Boy Scouts wrote detailed complaints accusing a Pennsylvania scoutmaster of two rapes and other sex crimes, according to his file. He abruptly resigned in writing, saying he had to travel more for work.
"Good luck to you in your new position," a top troop representative wrote back. He said he was accepting the resignation "with extreme regret."
Scouting officials declined to be interviewed for this article. In a prepared statement, spokesman Deron Smith said, "We have always cooperated fully with any request from law enforcement and today require our members to report even suspicion of abuse directly to their local authorities."
The organization instituted that requirement in 2010. Before then, the policy was to obey state laws, which didn't always require youth groups to report abuse.
In some instances, however, the Scouts may have violated those state laws. Since the early 1970s, for example, New Jersey has required anyone who suspects child abuse to report it. In several cases there, the Scouts received firsthand reports of alleged abuse, but nothing in the files indicates they informed authorities.
In the 1970s and '80s, secrecy was embedded in the Scouts' policies and procedures for handling child sexual abuse.
A cover sheet that accompanied many confidential files included a check box labeled "Internal (only scouts know)" as an option for how cases were resolved. A form letter sent to leaders being dismissed over abuse allegations stated: "We are making no accusations and will not release this information to anyone, so our action in no way will affect your standing in the community."
That letter was included in the organization's 1972 policy on how to remove unfit leaders, which, according to an attached memo, was kept confidential "because of misunderstandings which could develop if it were widely distributed."
The files at times provide an incomplete account of how abuse allegations were resolved. In his statement, the Scouting spokesman said, "In many instances, basic details are missing as they were not relevant to the BSA's sole reason for keeping files, which was to help identify and keep a list of individuals deemed to be unfit for membership in Scouting."
Still, they reveal a culture in which even known molesters were shown extraordinary deference.
In a 1987 case in Washington state, a district executive wrote to the national office complaining that his boss had refused to put a former scoutmaster on the blacklist, despite a molestation conviction, "because he has done so much for camp and is a nice guy."
He had handed a newspaper clipping of the conviction to his boss, who "crumpled it up, said he saw it already, and then said, 'Why don't you just put it up on a billboard for everyone to see?'" the executive wrote. "Since that time, nothing has been done."
A Maryland leader, who in 1990 "readily agreed" that abuse allegations against him were true, was given six weeks to resign and told he could give "his associates whatever reason that he chose," his file shows.
"This gave him an opportunity to withdraw from Scouting in a graceful manner to be determined by him," an official wrote. "We also reminded [him] that he had agreed to keep the whole matter confidential and we would not talk to anyone in order to give [him] complete ability to voluntarily withdraw."
In many cases, Scouting officials said they were keeping allegations quiet as a way of sparing young victims embarrassment.
The result was that some alleged molesters went on to abuse other children, according to the Scouts' documents and court records.
With 50 years in Scouting, Arthur W. Humphries appeared to be a model leader, winning two presidential citations and the Scouts' top award for distinguished service — the Silver Beaver — for his work with disabled boys in Chesapeake, Va.
Unknown to most in town, he also was a serial child molester.
A few months after Humphries' arrest in 1984, local Scouting official Jack Terwilliger told the Virginian-Pilot newspaper that no one at the local Scout council had had suspicions about Humphries.
But that was not true. Records in Humphries' file show that six years earlier, Terwilliger had ordered officials to interview a Scout who gave a detailed account of Humphries' repeated acts of oral sex on him.
"He then told me to do the same and I did," the 12-year-old boy said in a sworn statement in 1978.
Officials not only failed to report Humphries' alleged crime to police, records show — they also gave him a strong job reference two years later, when he applied for a post at a national Scouting event.
"I believe the attached letters of recommendation and the newspaper write-up will give you a well rounded picture of Art," Terwilliger wrote. "If selected, I am sure that he would add much to the handicapped awareness trail at the 1981 Jamboree."
Humphries continued to work with Scouts and molested at least five more boys before police, acting on a tip, stopped him in 1984. He was convicted of abusing 20 Boy Scouts, some as young as 8, and was sentenced to 151 years in prison.
By then, one of the Scouts he'd abused a decade earlier had become his accomplice. He was convicted of molesting many of the same boys at Humphries' house.
Humphries and Terwilliger are both deceased.
The Boy Scouts' lawyers have long contended that keeping such files confidential is key to protecting the privacy of victims, of those who report sexual abuse and of anyone falsely accused. But over the years, hundreds of the files have been admitted into evidence — usually under seal — in lawsuits brought by alleged victims. The Times reviewed 1,600 of the nearly 1,900 files that came to light as a result of a 1992 court case.
Hundreds more will soon become widely available. In June, the Oregon Supreme Court ordered the release of 1,247 of the Scouts' confidential files covering two decades beginning in 1965. The files were submitted in a 2010 lawsuit that resulted in a nearly $20-million judgment against the Scouts.
The release of the files, many of which were included in The Times' review, raises the prospect of a costly wave of litigation for the Boy Scouts. In many states, however, statutes of limitation will curb victims' ability to sue.
The Boy Scouts of America generally has responded to allegations of past abuse by emphasizing its increased efforts to protect children in recent decades.
In the 1990s, for instance, it mandated background checks of staffers and in 2008 extended that requirement to all volunteers. The organization also has stepped up child abuse prevention training. The effect of those policies is hard to gauge because the Scouts have neither released nor analyzed more recent files.
Regardless, the Scouts have taken no steps to account for unreported crimes years ago. In some of those cases, not even parents of abuse victims were told what happened.
At a Rhode Island Boy Scout camp in 1971, a scoutmaster discovered a 12-year-old boy performing oral sex on an assistant troop leader, William Lazzareschi, behind a tent.
"Mr. Lazzareschi made me do it to him," the young Scout told officials, according to the file.
Lazzareschi "admitted his role in the act" and said he'd never done it before, the file states. He was expelled from Scouting and told to stay away from the boy. Nothing in the file indicates the Scouts called police.
The records do show that the boy was counseled "with positive results" by the Rev. Edmond C. Micarelli, the camp's Catholic chaplain.
"Upon Father Micarelli's recommendation, the parents were not notified," a report states.
Micarelli's reasoning was not explained. But in 1990, he also wound up on the blacklist after a man told a Scouting official that the priest had raped him and his younger brother as boys. In 2002, the Diocese of Providence paid $13.5 million to 36 victims who sued Micarelli and 10 other priests, alleging sex abuse dating to at least 1975.
Lazzareschi was convicted of sexual assault in 1997 and possession of child pornography in 2005, but he is no longer in prison, state records show. Neither he nor Micarelli, who retired to Florida more than 20 years ago, could be reached for comment.
The Scouts sometimes had help in keeping abuse out of the public eye.
When a Los Angeles Scout leader was caught by police with hundreds of photos of naked Scouts in 1984 — many showing him giving enemas to boys — Scouting officials worked closely with police and the county children services department to keep the case from becoming public and embarrassing the Scouts.
A summary of a meeting between Scouting officials and local agencies contained this conclusion: "We recognize that this unfortunate situation was no reflection on the Boy Scouts of America whose integrity and reputation must be maintained."
In July 1987, a top official at Boy Scouts headquarters sent an internal "news advisory" to national leaders about allegations against a high-ranking Scout council leader in Milwaukee.
"Dr. Thomas Kowalski, chairman of health and safety for the Milwaukee County Council, one of the most prominent physicians in the state and one of the authors of the Wisconsin laws on child abuse, has been removed from his BSA volunteer position(s) following allegations that he made sexual advances to two 16-year-old youths at the council's summer long-term camp," the advisory read.
Kowalski admitted masturbating while fondling the two boys. Wisconsin Scouting officials reported the incidents to police, as required by state law, but the parents chose not to press charges, the file says.
The Scouts then turned to a well-connected board member to keep the matter out of the news media — an unnamed publisher of local newspapers.
The publisher "is aware of the situation but apparently will not be passing the information to his editors," the Scouting official wrote.
The case was not reported in the press, and Kowalski continued to work with children for the next 14 years, until he retired from his medical practice in 2001.
In an interview, Kowalski, now 75 and living in Milwaukee, said that he had received psychiatric counseling for years and had never re-offended.
Boy Scouts youth protection timeline
"The topic has not come up until your phone call today," he said. "Had that been publicized, I would have been out of business, reputation destroyed, and I don't know how I would have faced people at church."
A few choice user comments:
QuoteThe big gay lie is that only adult men who have sex with other adult men are homosexual...
...but adult men who have sex with boys are NOT homosexual.
That's nothing but gay propaganda. There is such a thing as homosexual pedophiles...just like there are heterosexual pedophiles...
...and neither one belongs anywhere near the Boy Scouts of America.
QuotePlain and simple. Keep homosexuals out of organizations like BSoA. These men who are homosexuals preying on the innocence of young boys should not be tolerated no more than keeping men from being girl scout leaders for fear of the likelihood that they may prey on young girls. It is either using a common sense approach to the problem, or keep hearing about stories like these.
QuoteJust like in the Catholic Church - these organizations are run by men and these men who helped cover up these atrocities are they themselves perverts too - just don't thave the guts to follow thru on their perverted fanatasies they are like voyuers - which is why the perverts who acted on their weird impulses were allowed to get away with their filth for so long.
QuoteThe gay hypocrisy.
Homosexual culture even infiltrated the LAWMAKERS that oversaw the laws that were created to protect young children, especially boys. The priests or reverends also were there to help those kids accept or deal with the abuse, cope with it, not to protect them. Helping them take it...
Everyone is an accomplice. Even the police at that time, what the...!?!?
Its truly flabbergasting. Stunning. Homosexuals are so entrenched in the Boy Scouts that they protect each other with a buddy-buddy system. Much like they help each other rise in the ranks in the entertainment and other industries like fashion, etc.
And yet, they want support for homosexuality. Wow.
At this point, in my view, the Boy Scouts need to be abolished. Christ.
You people already know what I'm going to say here. So I'm going to let you say it to yourselves with your inside voice.
QuotePlain and simple. Keep homosexuals out of organizations like BSoA. These men who are homosexuals preying on the innocence of young boys should not be tolerated no more than keeping men from being girl scout leaders for fear of the likelihood that they may prey on young girls.
That does have SOME merit.
Quote from: Viking on September 18, 2012, 05:42:43 AM
You people already know what I'm going to say here. So I'm going to let you say it to yourselves with your inside voice.
:lol: What's that: if the Boy Scouts were an atheist-based organization, little boys wouldn't get fucked?
Quote from: Tamas on September 18, 2012, 05:47:55 AM
QuotePlain and simple. Keep homosexuals out of organizations like BSoA. These men who are homosexuals preying on the innocence of young boys should not be tolerated no more than keeping men from being girl scout leaders for fear of the likelihood that they may prey on young girls.
That does have SOME merit.
No it doesn't. Adults don't just prey on young children when given opportunity. Believing this is the case says a lot about you, really.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 18, 2012, 05:48:25 AM
Quote from: Viking on September 18, 2012, 05:42:43 AM
You people already know what I'm going to say here. So I'm going to let you say it to yourselves with your inside voice.
:lol: What's that: if the Boy Scouts were an atheist-based organization, little boys wouldn't get fucked?
No, my little inside voice is telling you that if the Boy scouts were a non-dogmatic secular organization, the kiddie fuckers wouldn't have been protected by the leaders.
Quote from: Viking on September 18, 2012, 05:54:05 AM
a non-dogmatic secular organization,
Like, say, a state university?
Quote from: Tamas on September 18, 2012, 05:47:55 AM
QuotePlain and simple. Keep homosexuals out of organizations like BSoA. These men who are homosexuals preying on the innocence of young boys should not be tolerated no more than keeping men from being girl scout leaders for fear of the likelihood that they may prey on young girls.
That does have SOME merit.
Well, AFAIK the Boy Scouts of America had a VERY strict "NO GAYS ALLOWED" policy . . .
Quote from: Viking on September 18, 2012, 05:54:05 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 18, 2012, 05:48:25 AM
Quote from: Viking on September 18, 2012, 05:42:43 AM
You people already know what I'm going to say here. So I'm going to let you say it to yourselves with your inside voice.
:lol: What's that: if the Boy Scouts were an atheist-based organization, little boys wouldn't get fucked?
No, my little inside voice is telling you that if the Boy scouts were a non-dogmatic secular organization, the kiddie fuckers wouldn't have been protected by the leaders.
I'm going to disagree with you there - I think secular organizations have track records of protecting pedophiles (and other criminals) in their midst too.
That being said, it does seem that being a right wing anti-gay organization goes hand in hand with kiddie fucking frequently enough for this to be more than just a coincidence.
Quote from: Syt on September 18, 2012, 05:57:18 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 18, 2012, 05:47:55 AM
QuotePlain and simple. Keep homosexuals out of organizations like BSoA. These men who are homosexuals preying on the innocence of young boys should not be tolerated no more than keeping men from being girl scout leaders for fear of the likelihood that they may prey on young girls.
That does have SOME merit.
Well, AFAIK the Boy Scouts of America had a VERY strict "NO GAYS ALLOWED" policy . . .
Tamas is an idiot so he doesn't know this. The Boy Scouts of America are as vocal (and as effective) at keeping gays out as the Catholic Church clergy.
A better question is rather: why would anyone want to be a member. It's the same thing as with the military and jobs like prison guards - any volunteers should be immediately locked up as criminally insane.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 18, 2012, 05:56:04 AM
Quote from: Viking on September 18, 2012, 05:54:05 AM
a non-dogmatic secular organization,
Like, say, a state university?
I was thinking of something like the US military or a large multinational corporation where you can re-assign the perpetrator elsewhere and the manager can wash his or her hands of the issue.
But if you want to bring up the case of the dean protecting his friend tenured professor perv then you can.
Quote from: Viking on September 18, 2012, 06:00:25 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 18, 2012, 05:56:04 AM
Quote from: Viking on September 18, 2012, 05:54:05 AM
a non-dogmatic secular organization,
Like, say, a state university?
I was thinking of something like the US military or a large multinational corporation where you can re-assign the perpetrator elsewhere and the manager can wash his or her hands of the issue.
Has it occurred to you that the fact these organizations do not have an institutional access to children may be a better reason than the fact they are secular? :lol:
Quote from: Martinus on September 18, 2012, 05:59:55 AM
Quote from: Syt on September 18, 2012, 05:57:18 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 18, 2012, 05:47:55 AM
QuotePlain and simple. Keep homosexuals out of organizations like BSoA. These men who are homosexuals preying on the innocence of young boys should not be tolerated no more than keeping men from being girl scout leaders for fear of the likelihood that they may prey on young girls.
That does have SOME merit.
Well, AFAIK the Boy Scouts of America had a VERY strict "NO GAYS ALLOWED" policy . . .
Tamas is an idiot so he doesn't know this. The Boy Scouts of America are as vocal (and as effective) at keeping gays out as the Catholic Church clergy.
A better question is rather: why would anyone want to be a member. It's the same thing as with the military and jobs like prison guards - any volunteers should be immediately locked up as criminally insane.
No. The better question is: why do you know anything about the American boy scouts? Interested much?!
Quote from: Tamas on September 18, 2012, 06:06:44 AM
No. The better question is: why do you know anything about the American boy scouts? Interested much?!
He's got the swimsuit calendar for 2013 already.
Quote from: Martinus on September 18, 2012, 06:02:26 AM
Quote from: Viking on September 18, 2012, 06:00:25 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 18, 2012, 05:56:04 AM
Quote from: Viking on September 18, 2012, 05:54:05 AM
a non-dogmatic secular organization,
Like, say, a state university?
I was thinking of something like the US military or a large multinational corporation where you can re-assign the perpetrator elsewhere and the manager can wash his or her hands of the issue.
Has it occurred to you that the fact these organizations do not have an institutional access to children may be a better reason than the fact they are secular? :lol:
Well, I was thinking that issues like sexual harassment and intimidation in the military and business were good analogies and the policies of the Military and Large Corporations as non-dogmatic secular institutions provided an excellent counter-example to dogmatic religious institutions. But you make a decent point.
So, this is how mainly non-dogmatic secular schools deal with similar situations
https://www.google.no/search?q=teacher+pupil+sex&sugexp=chrome,mod=18&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=teacher+pupil+sex&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ei=e1ZYUMCcJI3WsgaXzYGQBg&ved=0CA0Q_AUoBA&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=e564d2828434d5b&biw=1013&bih=1054
they expose the teacher and fire and prosecute them for kiddie rape. Even when she is a HOTT 20 something sex-bomb and the kid really really wanted it.
Quote from: Tamas on September 18, 2012, 06:06:44 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 18, 2012, 05:59:55 AM
Quote from: Syt on September 18, 2012, 05:57:18 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 18, 2012, 05:47:55 AM
QuotePlain and simple. Keep homosexuals out of organizations like BSoA. These men who are homosexuals preying on the innocence of young boys should not be tolerated no more than keeping men from being girl scout leaders for fear of the likelihood that they may prey on young girls.
That does have SOME merit.
Well, AFAIK the Boy Scouts of America had a VERY strict "NO GAYS ALLOWED" policy . . .
Tamas is an idiot so he doesn't know this. The Boy Scouts of America are as vocal (and as effective) at keeping gays out as the Catholic Church clergy.
A better question is rather: why would anyone want to be a member. It's the same thing as with the military and jobs like prison guards - any volunteers should be immediately locked up as criminally insane.
No. The better question is: why do you know anything about the American boy scouts? Interested much?!
The BSoA kicking openly gay teachers and students out, and the protests, calls to cut state funding etc. to them because of that, is one of the most widely reported GLBT rights issues in all GLBT news sources over the last few years. :huh:
Quote from: Viking on September 18, 2012, 06:11:17 AM
Well, I was thinking that issues like sexual harassment and intimidation in the military and business were good analogies and the policies of the Military and Large Corporations as non-dogmatic secular institutions provided an excellent counter-example to dogmatic religious institutions. But you make a decent point.
Sexual harassment and intimidation in the military is not the best example. :lol:
Quote from: Viking on September 18, 2012, 06:11:17 AM
Quote from: Martinus on September 18, 2012, 06:02:26 AM
Quote from: Viking on September 18, 2012, 06:00:25 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 18, 2012, 05:56:04 AM
Quote from: Viking on September 18, 2012, 05:54:05 AM
a non-dogmatic secular organization,
Like, say, a state university?
I was thinking of something like the US military or a large multinational corporation where you can re-assign the perpetrator elsewhere and the manager can wash his or her hands of the issue.
Has it occurred to you that the fact these organizations do not have an institutional access to children may be a better reason than the fact they are secular? :lol:
Well, I was thinking that issues like sexual harassment and intimidation in the military and business were good analogies and the policies of the Military and Large Corporations as non-dogmatic secular institutions provided an excellent counter-example to dogmatic religious institutions. But you make a decent point.
So, this is how mainly non-dogmatic secular schools deal with similar situations
https://www.google.no/search?q=teacher+pupil+sex&sugexp=chrome,mod=18&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=teacher+pupil+sex&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ei=e1ZYUMCcJI3WsgaXzYGQBg&ved=0CA0Q_AUoBA&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=e564d2828434d5b&biw=1013&bih=1054
they expose the teacher and fire and prosecute them for kiddie rape. Even when she is a HOTT 20 something sex-bomb and the kid really really wanted it.
There is a lot of gender dynamics comments that can be made here. Obviously a female teacher is not a powerful and influential figure, too.
And corporations and the military are notorious for covering up cases of sexual harassment against employees or soldiers, too.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 18, 2012, 06:12:40 AM
Quote from: Viking on September 18, 2012, 06:11:17 AM
Well, I was thinking that issues like sexual harassment and intimidation in the military and business were good analogies and the policies of the Military and Large Corporations as non-dogmatic secular institutions provided an excellent counter-example to dogmatic religious institutions. But you make a decent point.
Sexual harassment and intimidation in the military is not the best example. :lol:
Yeah, I was wondering what Viking was smoking. The militaries everywhere are notorious for widespread abuse and harassment of underlings by superiors. :lol:
Edit: Corporations and sexual government organizations are pretty bad at this too.
Quote from: Martinus on September 18, 2012, 06:14:31 AM
Yeah, I was wondering what Viking was smoking. The militaries everywhere are notorious for widespread abuse and harassment of underlings by superiors. :lol:
Which is why the non-dogmatic secular tag is used by me. The thing is that serious militaries and corporations and school systems which when they finally were, often involuntarily, made informed of the situation took measures institution policies, best practices and management incentives to prevent this.
They don't pretend it doesn't happen and they don't pretend that the problem will go away. The issue here is that the line manager, school teacher or major that do sexually abuse their underlingns do get fired and prosecuted, they do not get transferred to abuse more children.
Absence of news is not proof of absence on any issue. One of the main reasons the catholic church (and presumably now the boy scouts) are getting flack about this is that they are presumably better on this issue than smaller less organized and bureaucratized churches. They have systems and reports and hierarchies that can be exposed. I think I have good reason to say that the US Army is much much better on this issue than the Catholic Church and I think I have good reason to say that your local school district is also much much better on this issue than the boy scouts.
I guess Viking hasn't read any of the dozen Penn St. threads.
Quote from: Martinus on September 18, 2012, 05:59:55 AM
A better question is rather: why would anyone want to be a member. It's the same thing as with the military and jobs like prison guards - any volunteers should be immediately locked up as criminally insane.
I was a Boy Scout and being in Scouts was tremendously beneficial for me.
While I don't regret having been a Scout, I no longer want anything to do with the organization due to its anti-gay policies.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 18, 2012, 06:30:07 AM
I guess Viking hasn't read any of the dozen Penn St. threads.
And if there were multiple Joe Paternos being transferred between the myriad Penn State campuses all over the world where they were continually repeating their abusive behaviour and were being protected by the Penn State despite losing football games then you might have a point.
Quote from: Martinus on September 18, 2012, 06:02:26 AM
Has it occurred to you that the fact these organizations do not have an institutional access to children may be a better reason than the fact they are secular? :lol:
Yeah any institution that deals with children is going to have these kinds of problems. The test of the organization is how they deal with them.
Quote from: Caliga on September 18, 2012, 06:53:03 AM
I was a Boy Scout and being in Scouts was tremendously beneficial for me.
While I don't regret having been a Scout, I no longer want anything to do with the organization due to its anti-gay policies.
It just shows how Homophobes operate. They ban gays from an organization...and yet when that organization sexually abuses kids it is somehow still the fault of gays. That is some weird ass thinking right there.
Anyone bother to point out that this is a review of historical records from 1971-1991? While the Boy Scouts covering up allegations of sexual abuse during the period is indeed shameful, it doesn't say very much at all about the current state of the organization.
Quote from: Barrister on September 18, 2012, 09:12:04 AM
Anyone bother to point out that this is a review of historical records from 1971-1991? While the Boy Scouts covering up allegations of sexual abuse during the period is indeed shameful, it doesn't say very much at all about the current state of the organization.
Yeah, we should wait for the 1992-2012 volume. :yes:
If I was not a Boy Scout
I wonder what I'd be
If I was not a Boy Scout
Martinus I would be!
"Ewww, a bug!
I'll squish it on the rug!
Ewww, a bug!
I'll squish it on the rug!"
Gays are dangerous, but so are people who care about these sorts of things.
Quote from: Neil on September 18, 2012, 07:20:42 PM
Gays are dangerous, but so are people who care about these sorts of things.
People who care about child abuse?
Quote from: garbon on September 18, 2012, 07:22:59 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 18, 2012, 07:20:42 PM
Gays are dangerous, but so are people who care about these sorts of things.
People who care about child abuse?
Yes. I'm tired of the witchhunts, and so it's important that child abuse go unpunished.
We need more witchhunts to root out the predators and their enablers.
Quote from: Phillip V on September 18, 2012, 07:29:12 PM
We need more witchhunts to root out the predators and their enablers.
I'm tired of sexual McCarthyism. Hell, I would even be able to stop hating gays if it weren't for Martinus representing them all.
Viking picked an odd place to beat his atheist drum.