Apparently not. :(
http://www.theroot.com/views/can-black-man-defend-himself-home
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Can a Black Man Defend Himself at Home?
The NAACP and activists fight for the release of a black Georgia man who shot a man on his lawn.
By: Aisha I. Jefferson | Posted: September 12, 2012 at 12:38 AM
(The Root) -- Members of the NAACP -- including its president and CEO, Benjamin Todd Jealous -- along with local politicians and other activists, addressed a small crowd of journalists in Atlanta on Monday in an effort to bring attention to the case of a black Georgia man serving a life sentence for killing a white man who was trespassing on his property.
Despite Kennesaw, Ga., police detectives declaring in 2005 that John McNeil, 46, acted in self-defense, Cobb County District Attorney Pat Head decided a year later to try the case. McNeil was sentenced in November 2006.
"If this can happen to John McNeil, then it can happen to [Georgia NAACP President] Ed DuBose, it can happen to William Barber, it can happen to Ben Jealous. It can happen to any black man standing out here or standing anywhere in America, no matter how much good you've done or how right you are," the Rev. William Barber, president of the North Carolina NAACP, told the crowd in front of the Georgia State Capitol. Barber, a longtime friend of McNeil's, along with Jealous and other NAACP members, went to see him in prison before the press conference.
The "it" relates to events that took place Dec. 6, 2005, when McNeil arrived home after his teenage son called him about an unfamiliar man lurking about their property. According to testimony, the man, Brian Epp, a hired contractor with whom McNeil had past difficulties, had already pulled a knife on the teenager.
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Epp refused to leave, and McNeil, who had called 911, fired a warning shot into the ground. Epp then charged toward McNeil while reaching into his pocket. McNeil fatally shot him in the head at close range. Court documents state that a pocketknife was clipped inside Epp's pants pocket. McNeil's neighbors who witnessed the incident backed his story.
Kennesaw police detectives investigated the case, decided that McNeil had acted in self-defense and didn't charge him. McNeil's self-defense claim is supported by Georgia's "castle doctrine" law, which allows an individual to use deadly force to protect his or her home, or anyone inside it, from a violent trespasser.
McNeil and his family thought the worst was over, until Pat Head decided nearly a year later to pursue prosecution. Although the Kennesaw Police Department refused to arrest McNeil, the Cobb County Sheriff's Office did, under Head's advisement, according to NAACP members.
During the trial, McNeil's neighbors, the two senior detectives investigating the case and a couple who said that they felt threatened by Epp when they hired him to do work all testified in McNeil's defense. All of those individuals are white.
Despite their testimony, McNeil was found guilty and sentenced to life imprisonment. An appeal motion was filed, and in 2008, six of the seven justices of the Georgia Supreme Court upheld the conviction. The sole dissenting voice was then-Chief Justice Leah Ward Sears, who found the case problematic.
The irony is that Kennesaw -- a predominantly white, conservative suburb 26 miles northwest of Atlanta where McNeil and his family lived -- has a 30-year-old mandatory law requiring heads of households to own at least one firearm.
"As long as John McNeil is behind bars, it is not safe for a black person to defend their family and their home in the state of Georgia," Jealous told The Root.
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Race has been mentioned as a factor in this case, but Jealous points out that throughout the case, there were white law-enforcement officials who sided with McNeil.
"Yes, this is about a white DA who did the wrong thing. But he overrode two white detectives who did the right thing," Jealous says. The speakers, who expressed their condolences for Epp's death, also compared McNeil's treatment to something that would have happened in the Jim Crow South.
The McNeil case may immediately remind people of Florida's 2005 "Stand your ground" self-defense law that allowed George Zimmerman, 28, a white Hispanic, to avoid arrest for more than a month after shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last February.
But Jealous, sharing that the NAACP has "grave concerns about 'Stand your ground,' " was quick to draw the line between the castle doctrine and "Stand your ground" laws.
" 'Stand your ground' laws are so broad that they allow people to racially profile with deadly force anywhere. The basic difference is that [the castle-doctrine law] allows you to protect your home. ['Stand your ground'] allows you to appoint yourself vigilante-in-chief. And that's what Zimmerman did," Jealous explained, saying that the NAACP is fine with self-defense.
He continued, adding that "self-defense would apply here, too. [It] is a lighter standard than either one of those [and] says if someone threatens you with lethal force and you try to get away and you can't get away, you can use lethal force to defend yourself.
"And what you heard them describe today is classic self-defense," Jealous said.
The first priority on the NAACP's list is to reunite McNeil with his wife, Anita, who has cancer. The illness, deemed terminal, has prevented her from seeing her husband for the last two years.
"It is very possible that John McNeil's wife could die while he's still trying to clear his name. She will now be flying down here with her mayor, who has arranged special transportation so that she could see her husband for what may be one last time," Jealous says. Anita McNeil lives in Wilson, N.C. McNeil's mother died less than a month ago.
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Throughout the address, speakers portrayed McNeil as a family man and pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps businessman who did everything right: He didn't have a criminal record, he volunteered in the community, he graduated from college and he took care of his family.
Jealous remains hopeful, believing that before this is over, they will have the support of prominent conservatives -- including the National Rifle Association, or NRA, which the NAACP has reached out to, along with other gun-rights organizations -- and that Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal will grant McNeil clemency.
"The heartbreaking thing is, here we are in the 21st century on the eve of the 150th-anniversary celebration of the Emancipation Proclamation," Jealous says, "and we still find ourselves defending black men [and] black people's most basic rights to protect their own lives."
Editor's note: The original article stated that Leah Ward Sears was the only African-American member of the Georgia Supreme Court when it upheld McNeil's conviction. In fact, there were two other black members of the court.
He shot a guy on his lawn. Fuck him.
The South don't change.
It's a tough one. Yes, the letter of the law says that he could shoot the intruder, but the spirit of the law is let white people shoot black people, not vice versa.
So, are Raz and the Languish progressives going to come out for the right for one man to murder another, so long as he's on his own property?
Your country is sick with the disease of unbridled partisanship.
Murder is a legal term. If he kills someone and it's legal it's a homicide, not a murder.
What your problem with that?
Quote from: Razgovory on September 13, 2012, 09:51:10 PM
Murder is a legal term. If he kills someone and it's legal it's a homicide, not a murder.
Quit dodging the point, fag.
Crackers can whack Asian trick-or-treaters in their yard and get away with it in the South, but nope, a black man can't shoot anybody.
Gotta love the Confederacy. Ah, magnolias.
Quote from: Neil on September 13, 2012, 09:54:11 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 13, 2012, 09:51:10 PM
Murder is a legal term. If he kills someone and it's legal it's a homicide, not a murder.
Quit dodging the point, fag.
I'm not. Or are you the type of person who considers the slaughter of a cow "Murder".
Quote from: Razgovory on September 13, 2012, 09:59:55 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 13, 2012, 09:54:11 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 13, 2012, 09:51:10 PM
Murder is a legal term. If he kills someone and it's legal it's a homicide, not a murder.
Quit dodging the point, fag.
I'm not. Or are you the type of person who considers the slaughter of a cow "Murder".
I'm the kind of person for whom the only law that matters is the law of god, which is to say Me.
Oh, your a loony then. Well the important thing to remember is the South is wrong.
The facts (unsurprisingly) are somewhat different than what is presented in the article. According to the Georgia Supreme Court, this is what happened:
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Viewed in the light most favorable to the verdict, the evidence reveals that, in September 2005, McNeil contracted to buy an unfinished home from Epp Elevations, a small building company owned by Epp and **113 his wife. On December 6, 2005, Epp went to McNeil's house to complete required work. McNeil's son, La'Ron, was home and called McNeil to report that someone was in the backyard. Believing that Epp was a trespasser, La'Ron confronted Epp and asked him to leave, and an argument ensued during which Epp pointed a knife at La'Ron. La'Ron called McNeil to report this incident to him.
In response, McNeil headed home in his car. On the way back he reported to an emergency 911 operator that a man was on his property and had pulled a knife on his son. Moments later, McNeil told the operator, "I'm at the property now ... and there's the builder and I may get ready to whip his ass right now. So get the cops here now." As McNeil was pulling into his driveway, he retrieved an automatic handgun from his car's glove compartment, removed it from its case, and loaded it with ammunition.
An eyewitness who was across the street heard McNeil and Epp arguing loudly. A few minutes later he heard a loud pop and saw smoke and McNeil pointing his hand toward the ground and stepping backward. Epp was in the yard between McNeil's house and the one next door and walking toward McNeil. McNeil continued to back up with his hands pointed toward the ground and said "Back up, I am not playing with you." Epp increased his speed toward McNeil and McNeil raised his gun and fired at Epp's head. Epp's hands were at his sides, and the eyewitness did not see him raise his hands or see any weapons in his hands.
Later, an officer arrived at the scene and found Epp on the ground with a fatal gunshot wound to the head. McNeil informed the officer that Epp had pulled a knife on him and then McNeil shot him. The officer saw a knife clipped inside the right hand pocket of Epp's pants. A forensic investigator from the Cobb County Medical Examiner's Office also responded to the scene and noticed that the knife in Epp's pocket was folded. Dr. Brian Frist, the Chief Medical Examiner of Cobb County, later determined that the abrasions on Epp's face indicated that he had been shot at a distance of less than three feet. There were no abrasions on Epp's hands to indicate that he had raised his hands to defend himself.
Significantly, La'Ron was in the house when McNeil pulled up and Epp was in a neighbor's yard. Epp was not threatening McNeil or his son, and McNeil had time to retrieve and load his gun before confronting Epp. McNeil then exited the car with the gun, confronted Epp, shot Epp, and lied about Epp being armed when he shot him. So it's not quite as much a slamdunk as the article makes out. That said, there's no way I would have convicted the guy. Also, doesn't Georgia have the felony-merger rule?
Quote from: Razgovory on September 13, 2012, 10:14:52 PM
Oh, your a loony then. Well the important thing to remember is the South is wrong.
You're not fit to judge who is and isn't a loony, due to your mental unsoundness.
Quote from: Neil on September 13, 2012, 10:17:23 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 13, 2012, 10:14:52 PM
Oh, your a loony then. Well the important thing to remember is the South is wrong.
You're not fit to judge who is and isn't a loony, due to your mental unsoundness.
Says the "Ethnic Albertan" with a God complex. You better watch out, Viking is probably going to rag on you for believing in yourself.
Quote from: Razgovory on September 13, 2012, 10:19:21 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 13, 2012, 10:17:23 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 13, 2012, 10:14:52 PM
Oh, your a loony then. Well the important thing to remember is the South is wrong.
You're not fit to judge who is and isn't a loony, due to your mental unsoundness.
Says the "Ethnic Albertan" with a God complex. You better watch out, Viking is probably going to rag on you for believing in yourself.
I'm prepared to handle Viking. He might not believe in Me, but I believe in him.
Quote from: Kleves on September 13, 2012, 10:15:34 PM
McNeil continued to back up with his hands pointed toward the ground and said "Back up, I am not playing with you." Epp increased his speed toward McNeil and McNeil raised his gun and fired at Epp's head. Epp's hands were at his sides, and the eyewitness did not see him raise his hands or see any weapons in his hands.
You charge a guy holding a gun, you're kinda asking for it.
La'Ron? If he's a boy shouldn't he be Le'Ron?
Anyway. Does seem to be a case of crying "racisss!" just because it involved a black guy going to jail for killing a white guy. From Kleves story it does seem that the black guy is a murdering arse hole who got all prissy at a builder pointing a knife at his kid.
If an unarmed person is charging you while you point a gun at him, at what point is shooting him justifiable? When the other guy gets the gun from you?
Apparently in Britain builders pulling knives on you is just part of doing business.
Ja'ron
Quote from: Maximus on September 13, 2012, 10:49:43 PM
Apparently in Britain builders pulling knives on you is just part of doing business.
It doesn't say he pulled a knife on him, just he pointed a knife at him. My dad has pointed a knife at me before- when he was quite some distance away and happened to be using his stanley knife to cut something.
Having a knife pointed at you might well be scary and pointing a knife at someone you don't know is pretty dumb but it need not mean "I'm gonna stick you", it can be something you're hardly even aware of doing.
Quote from: Tyr on September 13, 2012, 11:20:14 PM
Quote from: Maximus on September 13, 2012, 10:49:43 PM
Apparently in Britain builders pulling knives on you is just part of doing business.
It doesn't say he pulled a knife at him, just he pointed a knife at him. My dad has pointed a knife at me before- when he was quite some distance away and happened to be using his stanley knife to cut something.
:o Why didn't you shoot him? Oh, right, you live in Britain. :rolleyes: Even your cops aren't trusted to handle guns responsibly.
Quote from: DGuller on September 13, 2012, 10:40:38 PM
If an unarmed person is charging you while you point a gun at him, at what point is shooting him justifiable? When the other guy gets the gun from you?
Only after he then shoots at you and misses.
Quote from: Tyr on September 13, 2012, 11:20:14 PM
It doesn't say he pulled a knife on him, just he pointed a knife at him. My dad has pointed a knife at me before- when he was quite some distance away and happened to be using his stanley knife to cut something.
Having a knife pointed at you might well be scary and pointing a knife at someone you don't know is pretty dumb but it need not mean "I'm gonna stick you", it can be something you're hardly even aware of doing.
:lol:
Quote from: Tyr on September 13, 2012, 10:30:25 PM
La'Ron? If he's a boy shouldn't he be Le'Ron?
:lol: I'll fly you out here if you go ask him that in person.
Quote from: DGuller on September 13, 2012, 11:22:02 PM
:o Why didn't you shoot him? Oh, right, you live in Britain. :rolleyes: Even your cops aren't trusted to handle guns responsibly.
Long gone are the days when the country yeomen practiced with the longbow.
Quote from: Neil on September 13, 2012, 09:50:07 PM
So, are Raz and the Languish progressives going to come out for the right for one man to murder another, so long as he's on his own property?
Your country is sick with the disease of unbridled partisanship.
It's not like he shot him for walking on the lawn. The guy was clearly agressive, he already threatened the kid, he refused to leave and he charged the man while seemingly reaching for a weapon.
Instead of shooting him he shoulda choked a bitch. :(
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