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Title: Hey Siegy, you know any of these guys? Do you know FEAR?
Post by: Jacob on August 27, 2012, 03:09:58 PM
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/08/prosecutors-us-soldiers-plotted-kill-president-obama/56238/
Title: Re: Hey Siegy, you know any of these guys? Do you know FEAR?
Post by: CountDeMoney on August 27, 2012, 03:45:01 PM
An obvious political ploy to steal GOP thunder from their convention, and portray Obama as a legitimate American President with an assassination plot.

Well, the American people just won't stand for that.
Title: Re: Hey Siegy, you know any of these guys? Do you know FEAR?
Post by: Barrister on August 27, 2012, 04:15:36 PM
So wait - are they charged with plotting to kill Obama, or as part of their ongoing murder charge, did they find evidence about them talking about killing Obama?

As I understand it, there's no shortage of rightwing zenophobic assholes who like to talk a big game about RAHOWA or whatever nonsense of the day.  Trouble is they rarely do anything to act on it.
Title: Re: Hey Siegy, you know any of these guys? Do you know FEAR?
Post by: Siege on August 27, 2012, 04:17:23 PM
Are these dudes active duty?
The article isn't clear on this.

And taking over Fort Stewart?
Taking control of the AHA (ammo holding area) seems like could work only on paper.
The AHA is where Pvt Dumb goes to pick up ammo to take it to the range and shoot, but it is NOT where all the ammo on base is located, just where the ammo planned to be used in training during the next 30 days is holded.

Yes, American bases are very vulnerable because for safety issues the units have weapons, but no ammo. The ammo is kept separated from the weapons, which means if somebody were to attack my entire Brigade right now here in Fort Campbell, we would have nothing to shoot back with.

However, the MPs (military police) do have their own ammo, and they have not just M9 Pistols, like most PVTs think, but M4 and M249s as well. When the alarm goes off, those wanna-be terrorist would have to deal with a company of MPs, and an hour later or so with the entire fucking base.

I'll have to check the UCMJ, but I think these dudes are dead. This is fucking treason.
Title: Re: Hey Siegy, you know any of these guys? Do you know FEAR?
Post by: Siege on August 27, 2012, 04:19:13 PM
Yes, how do we know all this is real?
Nobody else is covering this.
Title: Re: Hey Siegy, you know any of these guys? Do you know FEAR?
Post by: Jacob on August 27, 2012, 05:54:16 PM
http://www2.wsav.com/news/2011/dec/12/13/four-fort-stewart-soldiers-charged-long-county-dou-ar-2852365/
http://chronicle.augusta.com/latest-news/2012-08-27/georgia-soldiers-charged-terrorist-plot?v=1346078305
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/08/27/u-s-troops-at-ft-stewart-plotted-to-kill-obama/
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Murder+case+reveals+terror+plot+soldiers+formed+militia+inside+army/7151172/story.html
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-833710?ref=feeds%2Flatest
Title: Re: Hey Siegy, you know any of these guys? Do you know FEAR?
Post by: dps on August 27, 2012, 07:03:05 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 27, 2012, 04:15:36 PM
So wait - are they charged with plotting to kill Obama, or as part of their ongoing murder charge, did they find evidence about them talking about killing Obama?

As I understand it, there's no shortage of rightwing zenophobic assholes who like to talk a big game about RAHOWA or whatever nonsense of the day.  Trouble is they rarely do anything to act on it.

They aren't right-wingers.  Apparantly, they are, believe it or not, anarchists.   I mean, wtf, this isn't 1922 or 1936.
Title: Re: Hey Siegy, you know any of these guys? Do you know FEAR?
Post by: Neil on August 27, 2012, 07:09:07 PM
Jacob was an anarchist.  He might be in on the plot.
Title: Re: Hey Siegy, you know any of these guys? Do you know FEAR?
Post by: derspiess on August 27, 2012, 07:10:42 PM
Quote from: Neil on August 27, 2012, 07:09:07 PM
Jacob was an anarchist.  He might be in on the plot.

He does seem to know a lot about it.
Title: Re: Hey Siegy, you know any of these guys? Do you know FEAR?
Post by: garbon on August 27, 2012, 07:16:47 PM
Quote from: Jacob on August 27, 2012, 05:54:16 PM
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-833710?ref=feeds%2Flatest

Not that you didn't prove your point - but this isn't a good source. It clearly states on that page that the article has not been vetted so as to be reporting on cnn.com.
Title: Re: Hey Siegy, you know any of these guys? Do you know FEAR?
Post by: Razgovory on August 27, 2012, 08:27:45 PM
Quote from: dps on August 27, 2012, 07:03:05 PM
Quote from: Barrister on August 27, 2012, 04:15:36 PM
So wait - are they charged with plotting to kill Obama, or as part of their ongoing murder charge, did they find evidence about them talking about killing Obama?

As I understand it, there's no shortage of rightwing zenophobic assholes who like to talk a big game about RAHOWA or whatever nonsense of the day.  Trouble is they rarely do anything to act on it.

They aren't right-wingers.  Apparantly, they are, believe it or not, anarchists.   I mean, wtf, this isn't 1922 or 1936.

Maybe they are anarcho-capitalists.  That would explain why one was a page at the GOP convention.  Or maybe they don't understand Anarchism.
Title: Re: Hey Siegy, you know any of these guys? Do you know FEAR?
Post by: Ed Anger on August 27, 2012, 08:42:11 PM
Sounds about as bright as the Cleveland bridge bombers.
Title: Re: Hey Siegy, you know any of these guys? Do you know FEAR?
Post by: CountDeMoney on August 27, 2012, 08:44:30 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 27, 2012, 08:42:11 PM
Sounds about as bright as the Cleveland bridge bombers.

Or the Albanian pizza shop guys from the Fort Dix plot.
Title: Re: Hey Siegy, you know any of these guys? Do you know FEAR?
Post by: Ed Anger on August 27, 2012, 08:47:38 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on August 27, 2012, 08:44:30 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on August 27, 2012, 08:42:11 PM
Sounds about as bright as the Cleveland bridge bombers.

Or the Albanian pizza shop guys from the Fort Dix plot.

Or the Somali Columbus mall plotters.
Title: Re: Hey Siegy, you know any of these guys? Do you know FEAR?
Post by: Habbaku on August 27, 2012, 08:56:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJAlIHsXcLY

:punk:
Title: Re: Hey Siegy, you know any of these guys? Do you know FEAR?
Post by: Siege on August 28, 2012, 07:54:56 PM
I don't like it.
Is that a 3 piece band?
Sounds too punky.
Title: Re: Hey Siegy, you know any of these guys? Do you know FEAR?
Post by: Martinus on August 29, 2012, 05:32:26 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 27, 2012, 04:15:36 PM
So wait - are they charged with plotting to kill Obama, or as part of their ongoing murder charge, did they find evidence about them talking about killing Obama?

As I understand it, there's no shortage of rightwing zenophobic assholes who like to talk a big game about RAHOWA or whatever nonsense of the day.  Trouble is they rarely do anything to act on it.

Are "zenophobes" people afraid of the Zeno's paradox?  :hmm:
Title: Re: Hey Siegy, you know any of these guys? Do you know FEAR?
Post by: Grey Fox on August 29, 2012, 06:20:38 AM
Quote from: Martinus on August 29, 2012, 05:32:26 AM
Quote from: Barrister on August 27, 2012, 04:15:36 PM
So wait - are they charged with plotting to kill Obama, or as part of their ongoing murder charge, did they find evidence about them talking about killing Obama?

As I understand it, there's no shortage of rightwing zenophobic assholes who like to talk a big game about RAHOWA or whatever nonsense of the day.  Trouble is they rarely do anything to act on it.

Are "zenophobes" people afraid of the Zeno's paradox?  :hmm:

Obvious asshole is obvious.