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General Category => Off the Record => Topic started by: jimmy olsen on August 22, 2012, 01:37:00 AM

Title: The Lethality of Warfare
Post by: jimmy olsen on August 22, 2012, 01:37:00 AM
Very interesting. I wonder if the Second Congo War or America's wars of the last decade would have any effect on those graphs? :hmm:

Gulf War 1 probably caused a spike in the defeated's graph.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/gabrmetz/gabr0022.htm

QuoteDupuy notes that when measured against the nongunpowder weapons of antiquity and the Middle Ages, modern weapons, excluding nuclear weapons of course, have increased in lethality by a factor of 2,000. But while lethality has increased by a factor of 2,000, the dispersion of forces on the battlefield made possible by mechanization and the ability of fewer soldiers to deliver exponentially more firepower has increased by a factor of 4,000! The result, as Figure 1 demonstrates, has been that wars since 1865 have killed fewer soldiers as a percentage of the deployed combat force than was the case in previous wars. Except for the Napoleonic wars which utilized the tactical field formation of the packed marching column, every war since 1600 (Table 1) has resulted in fewer and fewer casualties as a percentage of the committed forces for both the victor and defeated.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.au.af.mil%2Fau%2Fawc%2Fawcgate%2Fgabrmetz%2Ftable1.gif&hash=7c0d30e928927d303df5b4ef9aefa8f87cb64294)
Title: Re: The Lethality of Warfare
Post by: Ideologue on August 22, 2012, 03:19:59 AM
I dunno, the Germans committed the whole city of Dresden on the night of 2/13/1945, and lost practically all of them.
Title: Re: The Lethality of Warfare
Post by: Ed Anger on August 22, 2012, 06:55:47 AM
Somebody discovered Dupuy!
Title: Re: The Lethality of Warfare
Post by: Razgovory on August 22, 2012, 09:05:02 AM
Just out of curiosity are we taking in to consideration that in modern warfare more and more soldiers who are deployed take part in non-combat duties or combat duties with significantly less risk then say a line infantry man?  If we were to compare say, a WWII era rifle company to a Civil War era rifle company would we see the same trend over a similar period of time?
Title: Re: The Lethality of Warfare
Post by: Siege on August 22, 2012, 09:54:09 AM
There is no way arabs only took 5% cassualties.
Title: Re: The Lethality of Warfare
Post by: HVC on August 22, 2012, 09:57:35 AM
you can't really compare this way. in the past basically you sent your whole army(or a large chunk there of) into pitched battle. Now you have many soldiers deployed, but not necissarily attacking all at once.
Title: Re: The Lethality of Warfare
Post by: The Minsky Moment on August 22, 2012, 10:07:47 AM
Quote from: Siege on August 22, 2012, 09:54:09 AM
There is no way arabs only took 5% cassualties.

Their armies ran backwards really fast.
Title: Re: The Lethality of Warfare
Post by: The Brain on August 22, 2012, 12:15:40 PM
So what's his solution?
Title: Re: The Lethality of Warfare
Post by: HVC on August 22, 2012, 12:39:52 PM
Quote from: The Brain on August 22, 2012, 12:15:40 PM
So what's his solution?
more nukes
Title: Re: The Lethality of Warfare
Post by: Syt on August 22, 2012, 12:50:20 PM
I keep reading the thread title as "The Lethality of Welfare".
Title: Re: The Lethality of Warfare
Post by: DGuller on August 22, 2012, 12:54:34 PM
Quote from: The Brain on August 22, 2012, 12:15:40 PM
So what's his solution?
:lmfao: