OK I need Languishite input here. First lets re-write history a bit. No alt-hist timmy style harrassment here, this is a real issue, the names have been changed to re-focus the emotional impact and to enable the choices I want to give you.
In this alt-hist 9/11 happens in september 2004 rather than 2001 and october, during the election campaign minutes from a National Security Council meeting in 2001 emerge where the CIA warns that Al-Qaeda is working on hijacking jets and flying them into the WTC. In the minutes "W" is quoted saying that no preparations should be made because that kind of attack is highly unlikely.
What changes?
aliens invade.
The South still loses.
Polish officer corps is still executed en masse.
As I said this is a real issue. This is not an alt-hist joke.
President John Kerry invades Iraq. :P
Nothing really changes. Other attacks had occured before 9/11 (even at the towers) and no one took it really seriously. Bush would still win becasue he was the president during an attack and peoplewould rally behind him. Iraq would get invaded, because, and at the geopolitical level nothing really changes.
Plus, you know, the aliens thing.
Quote from: Viking on August 14, 2012, 02:01:59 PM
As I said this is a real issue. This is not an alt-hist joke.
So tell us what the real issue is, rather than debate counter-factuals.
I vote that Giant Ants invade Best Litovsk.
No alt-history is a "real issue"
The issue here is that Jens Stoltenberg PM of Norway was advised to close the access for civilians to the bomb site at the government buildings that Behring-Breivik bombed four years before the attack. The PM declared that this was highly unlikely and killed the issue.
He wasn't warned of the possibility of an attack like the shooting at utøya, but rather of an Alfred P. Murrah type attack on the government administration block in downtown oslo. That bomb killed 7 people.
Quote from: Viking on August 14, 2012, 02:09:14 PM
The issue here is that Jens Stoltenberg PM of Norway was advised to close the access for civilians to the bomb site at the government buildings that Behring-Breivik bombed four years before the attack. The PM declared that this was highly unlikely and killed the issue.
He wasn't warned of the possibility of an attack like the shooting at utøya, but rather of an Alfred P. Murrah type attack on the government administration block in downtown oslo. That bomb killed 7 people.
It depends how credible, and how specific, the warning was.
If, 4 years earlier, they had a specific and credible reason to think that building would be bombed, then yes that might be pretty serious. If it was just a routine security assessment then no, no big deal. IMO.
It's not as if the US didn't realize that WTC might be a terrorism target after all.
It was a specific recommendation from the Renovation, Administration and Ecclesiastical Ministry supported by the Police Security Service and Oslo Police.
Quote from: Viking on August 14, 2012, 02:34:49 PM
It was a specific recommendation from the Renovation, Administration and Ecclesiastical Ministry supported by the Police Security Service and Oslo Police.
But was it because of a specific threat? Did they have reason to think someone in particular might plant a bomb there?
No specific threat, it was identified as the nr2 terrorist target in Oslo (after the US embassy which has has been trying to get planning permission to move to a location designed to be safe since 2005, rather than next door to the Royal Palace and a shopping arcade). The location of the offices is a Downing Street type location with the offices being on a minor street in downtown oslo. The recommendation was to close that street to through traffic
Quote from: Viking on August 14, 2012, 02:09:14 PM
The issue here is that Jens Stoltenberg PM of Norway was advised to close the access for civilians to the bomb site at the government buildings that Behring-Breivik bombed four years before the attack. The PM declared that this was highly unlikely and killed the issue.
He wasn't warned of the possibility of an attack like the shooting at utøya, but rather of an Alfred P. Murrah type attack on the government administration block in downtown oslo. That bomb killed 7 people.
Well why didn't you just say that?