I hope they're as good as the Alternate ending of Casablanca that Lisa Simpson found was! ;)
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/48078504/ns/today-the_new_york_times/
Quote47 alternate endings to Hemingway classic to be released
By Julie Bosman
updated 2 hours 25 minutes ago
In an interview in The Paris Review in 1958 Ernest Hemingway made an admission that has inspired frustrated novelists ever since: The final words of "A Farewell to Arms," his wartime masterpiece, were rewritten "39 times before I was satisfied."
Those endings have become part of literary lore, but they have never been published together in their entirety, according to his longtime publisher, Scribner.
A new edition of "A Farewell to Arms," which was originally published in 1929, will be released next week, including all the alternate endings, along with early drafts of other passages in the book.
The new edition is the result of an agreement between Hemingway's estate and Scribner, now an imprint of Simon & Schuster.
It is also an attempt to redirect some of the attention paid in recent years to Hemingway's swashbuckling, hard-drinking image — through fictional depictions in the best-selling novel "The Paris Wife" and the Woody Allen film "Midnight in Paris," for instance — back to his sizable body of work.
"I think people who are interested in writing and trying to write themselves will find it interesting to look at a great work and have some insight to how it was done," Seán Hemingway, a grandson of Ernest Hemingway who is also a curator of Greek and Roman art at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, said in an interview. "But he is a writer who has captured the imagination of the American public, and these editions are interesting because they really focus on his work. Ultimately that's his lasting contribution."
The new edition concludes that the 39 endings that Hemingway referred to are really more like 47. They have been preserved in the Ernest Hemingway Collection at the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum in Boston since 1979, where Seán Hemingway studied them carefully. (Bernard S. Oldsey, a Hemingway scholar, listed 41 endings in his book "Hemingway's Hidden Craft," but Seán Hemingway found 47 variations in manuscripts preserved at the Kennedy Library.)
The alternate endings are labeled and gathered in an appendix in the new edition, a 330-page book whose cover bears the novel's original artwork, an illustration of a reclining man and woman, both topless.
For close readers of Hemingway the endings are a fascinating glimpse into how the novel could have concluded on a different note, sometimes more blunt and sometimes more optimistic. And since modern authors tend to produce their work on computers, the new edition also serves as an artifact of a bygone craft, with handwritten notes and long passages crossed out, giving readers a sense of an author's process. (When asked in the 1958 Paris Review interview with George Plimpton what had stumped him, Hemingway said, "Getting the words right.")
The endings range from a short sentence or two to several paragraphs.
In No. 1, "The Nada Ending," Hemingway wrote, "That is all there is to the story. Catherine died and you will die and I will die and that is all I can promise you."
The "Live-Baby Ending," listed as No. 7, concludes, "There is no end except death and birth is the only beginning."
And in No. 34, the "Fitzgerald ending," suggested by Hemingway's friend F. Scott Fitzgerald, Hemingway wrote that the world "breaks everyone," and those "it does not break it kills."
"It kills the very good and very gentle and the very brave impartially," he wrote. "If you are none of these you can be sure it will kill you too but there will be no special hurry."
Hemingway also left behind a list of alternate titles, which are reprinted in the new edition. They include "Love in War," "World Enough and Time," "Every Night and All" and "Of Wounds and Other Causes." One title, "The Enchantment," was crossed out by Hemingway.
Patrick Hemingway, Ernest Hemingway's only surviving son, said in an interview from his home in Montana that when Scribner suggested the raw material be published, he agreed.
"They do give insight to how Hemingway was thinking," said Patrick Hemingway, who is 84. "But it is absolutely true that no matter how much you analyze a classic bit of writing, you can never really figure out what makes talent work."
Susan Moldow, the publisher of Scribner, said that while Hemingway is a perennial strong seller, especially for schools and libraries, "the estate is constantly wanting to present the work afresh."
"This is one of the most important authors in American history," she said. "And fortunately or unfortunately you need to keep refreshing or people lose interest."
After reading the various endings, Ms. Moldow added, she didn't question the author's decision; the actual ending — cool and passionless after an epic tale of war and love, with the protagonist leaving a hospital in the rain — has stood the test of time.
"Ultimately," she said, "I think we have to be glad that he went with the ending that he went with."
God, what an insufferable and turgid work.
QuoteAnd in No. 34, the "Fitzgerald ending," suggested by Hemingway's friend F. Scott Fitzgerald, Hemingway wrote that the world "breaks everyone," and those "it does not break it kills."
Wonder if it's going to include No. 7, the "Jack Daniels" ending, inspired by Hemingway's other friend.
I had to read that in high school. Turned me off Hemingway which is too bad, cause I understand he was otherwise quite good.
Quote from: Josephus on July 05, 2012, 10:19:54 AM
Turned me off Hemingway which is too bad, cause I understand he was otherwise quite good.
Steinbeck, Fitzgerald and Salinger were better anyway.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 05, 2012, 10:25:14 AM
Quote from: Josephus on July 05, 2012, 10:19:54 AM
Turned me off Hemingway which is too bad, cause I understand he was otherwise quite good.
Steinbeck, Fitzgerald and Salinger were better anyway.
:x all around <= though I blame school.
Quote"They do give insight to how Hemingway was thinking," said Patrick Hemingway, who is 84. "But it is absolutely true that no matter how much you analyze a classic bit of writing, you can never really figure out what makes talent work."
I know I refer to my dad my our last name all the time. The hell?
Quote from: garbon on July 05, 2012, 10:29:36 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 05, 2012, 10:25:14 AM
Quote from: Josephus on July 05, 2012, 10:19:54 AM
Turned me off Hemingway which is too bad, cause I understand he was otherwise quite good.
Steinbeck, Fitzgerald and Salinger were better anyway.
:x all around <= though I blame school.
I did qualify it with "better", you know.
Someone needs to post the Hemingway parody Seedy wrote a while back. :lol:
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 05, 2012, 12:53:57 PM
Someone needs to post the Hemingway parody Seedy wrote a while back. :lol:
Please do - I don't remember reading it the first time. :)
Quote from: MeRe: The Feds hounded Hemingway to suicide
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2011, 05:05:52 pm »
A degenerate alcoholic and in so much pain from the war he had to type standing up, he needed no help in eventually blowing his fucking brains out.
Oh, wait; this is a Hemingway thread.
He was an alcoholic, but not just any alcoholic, this man. He was a degenerate alcoholic. The sort of degenerate alcoholic he once knew, degenerating in polite circles. The worse kind of alcoholic.
The back pain.
The back pain from the war, which followed behind him ever since the war. It stood with him still, behind him. In the back. With the extra luggage from Pamplona, which has a lovely cathedral he once visited.
He needed no help in blowing his brains out. He once knew a man who had described instructions on blowing one's brains out, but he didn't write it down. Though he once wrote a list of ingredients for pisto machengo, but was surprised it had tomatos in it.
And Malthus read it the first time. :(
Yes, thanks. :D
Heh, great stuff. :D
How many of the endings are zombie/vampire ones?
Quote from: The Brain on July 05, 2012, 03:32:14 PM
How many of the endings are zombie/vampire ones?
Not enough. :(
Should've stuck to short stories. It's a lot harder to successfully write a shitty short story. Harder to fool yourself.
Slate one ups CdM :lol:
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/low_concept/2012/07/hemingway_wrote_47_endings_for_a_farewell_to_arms_but_for_the_great_gatsby_fitzgerald_wrote_48_.html
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In the wake of this report, scholars and family members of F. Scott Fitzgerald dropped a second bombshell on the literary world, revealing no fewer than 47 alternate endings to the Jazz Age master's own chef d'oeuvre, The Great Gatsby. The recent discovery brings the grand total number of Gatsby endings to 48—or, as one Fitzgerald expert put it, "one more ending than Hemingway, a lazy man and lesser talent, ever wrote." Slate managed to acquire all 47 of Fitzgerald's foiled attempts; the endings, unaltered, are reproduced below.
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Quote from: Scipio on July 07, 2012, 09:31:29 PM
Should've stuck to short stories. It's a lot harder to successfully write a shitty short story. Harder to fool yourself.
Short stories fit his style much better.
Who's Hemingway?
Whoever he is, he can't compete with GRRM.
Awww look, Siegy's had half a Mike's Hard Lemonade, and has started posting drunk again. And it's not even the weekend yet. Yay for us.
Quote from: Siege on July 11, 2012, 10:45:15 PM
Who's Hemingway?
Whoever he is, he can't compete with GRRM.
Did you know that one of his novels,
For whom the bell tolls, was the favorite novel of John McCain? It's not Hemingway's best, but you might like it. It's about the Civil War in Spain. Despite the weird use of language (Hemingway tries to imitate Spanish formal and informal with English thees and thous), there are some really interesting parts. Such as the description of the Republican Massacre, the bravery and stoicism of the bullfighters, and the desperate doomed mission the lead character is to undertake. Also some of the bad guys are Muslims.