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Title: Russian Made Indian Aircraft Carrier Sets Out On Trial Voyage
Post by: jimmy olsen on June 09, 2012, 07:27:13 AM
Cool  :cool:

http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article3503982.ece
QuoteINS Vikramaditya sets out on trial voyage
Vladimir Radyuhin
MOSCOW, June 8, 2012

The newly refurbished INS Vikramaditya aircraft carrier took to the sea for the first time on Friday.

The carrier sailed out for crucial pre-delivery trials in the early hours of June 8 from the berth of the Sevmash shipyard in Russia's northern city of Severodvinsk, where the former Soviet heavy aviation cruiser Gorshkov had been converted into a regular aircraft carrier christened Vikramaditya.

During the trials, scheduled to last 120 days, all the ship's systems will be tested.

"The main part of the trials is testing aircraft takeoff and landing," Sevmash chief Andrei Dyachkov told The Hindu. "The programme of tests is very tight as deck aviation can operate only from June to September in the harsh conditions of Arctic seas."

The test flights will be carried out using two Russian aircraft, MiG-29K and MiG-35, flown by Russian pilots. Russia last year delivered to the Indian Navy 12 MiG-29K single-seaters and 4 MiG-29KUB two-seaters, which will be based on the Vikramaditya. India has ordered another batch of 29 MiG-29K deck fighters that will also provide airpower for the Vikrant aircraft carrier being built in India.

A part of the Indian crew of the Vikramaditya, who have just completed training in Russia, have joined the Russian team for the carrier's first sea voyage; more Indian sailors will fly in from India for the trials later, bringing the total naval personnel on board to 2,700, almost double the ship's regular crew.

If all goes well, an Indian acceptance team will board the carrier at later stages of the sea trials. Upon completion of the tests the Vikramaditya will return to port to allow finishing touches to be made before delivery in December.

"We are confident we can keep the schedule and hand over the ship to India on December 4," Mr Dyachkov said.
Title: Re: Russian Made Indian Aircraft Carrier Sets Out On Trial Voyage
Post by: The Brain on June 09, 2012, 07:30:23 AM
QuoteDuring the trials, scheduled to last 120 days, all the ship's systems will be tested.

:x
Title: Re: Russian Made Indian Aircraft Carrier Sets Out On Trial Voyage
Post by: CountDeMoney on June 09, 2012, 07:34:33 AM
Gonna be a bitch trying to sail it to the Kashmir.

What deck is Level 2 Tech Support?
Title: Re: Russian Made Indian Aircraft Carrier Sets Out On Trial Voyage
Post by: Viking on June 09, 2012, 08:13:52 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 09, 2012, 07:34:33 AM
Gonna be a bitch trying to sail it to the Kashmir.

What deck is Level 2 Tech Support?

I don't know, are we getting grumbler to deal with our pre-modern tech issues by phoning the indian carrier now?

Me:  My catapult won't work
grumbler: <hevy fake hindoo accent> my name is pradesh from srinagar, your strawman has failed what you have in an onager
Me: An onager is a catapult
grumbler: <heavy fake hindoo accent> You are trying to change your argument I win!!!!
Me: My catapult still doesn't work... how is this a helpline?
Title: Re: Russian Made Indian Aircraft Carrier Sets Out On Trial Voyage
Post by: Caliga on June 09, 2012, 08:17:54 AM
They always give a phony 'American' name on those calls though.

HOW I CAN BE HELPING YOU MY NAME IS CHUCK
Title: Re: Russian Made Indian Aircraft Carrier Sets Out On Trial Voyage
Post by: grumbler on June 09, 2012, 09:36:31 AM
Somehow, the idea of Russians trying to teach Indians how to operate an aircraft carrier tickles my funny bone.

It's like Viking trying to teach Hans how to have a make a logical argument - everyone knows it will end with both sides in tears.
Title: Re: Russian Made Indian Aircraft Carrier Sets Out On Trial Voyage
Post by: Fireblade on June 09, 2012, 10:03:06 AM
Soon to be known as the world's most expensive artificial reef.
Title: Re: Russian Made Indian Aircraft Carrier Sets Out On Trial Voyage
Post by: Neil on June 09, 2012, 10:17:02 AM
They just need it for the prestige.  It's not like it's expected to actually do anything.  India's strategic concerns are a little closer to home.
Title: Re: Russian Made Indian Aircraft Carrier Sets Out On Trial Voyage
Post by: grumbler on June 09, 2012, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 09, 2012, 10:17:02 AM
They just need it for the prestige.  It's not like it's expected to actually do anything.  India's strategic concerns are a little closer to home.

A Dreadnought could serve the same purpose, and the Russians might just know something about operating a dreadnought.

Effective flight deck operations require Master Chief Aviation Bosun's Mates, and those take a couple of decades to create.
Title: Re: Russian Made Indian Aircraft Carrier Sets Out On Trial Voyage
Post by: Iormlund on June 09, 2012, 11:00:31 AM
Quote from: grumbler on June 09, 2012, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 09, 2012, 10:17:02 AM
They just need it for the prestige.  It's not like it's expected to actually do anything.  India's strategic concerns are a little closer to home.

A Dreadnought could serve the same purpose, and the Russians might just know something about operating a dreadnought.

Effective flight deck operations require Master Chief Aviation Bosun's Mates, and those take a couple of decades to create.

And how many decades would it take if they had dreadnoughts instead of a carrier?
Title: Re: Russian Made Indian Aircraft Carrier Sets Out On Trial Voyage
Post by: grumbler on June 09, 2012, 11:02:43 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on June 09, 2012, 11:00:31 AM
And how many decades would it take if they had dreadnoughts instead of a carrier?

None.  They wouldn't need any Master Chief Aviation Bosun's Mates.
Title: Re: Russian Made Indian Aircraft Carrier Sets Out On Trial Voyage
Post by: Neil on June 09, 2012, 11:07:55 AM
Quote from: grumbler on June 09, 2012, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 09, 2012, 10:17:02 AM
They just need it for the prestige.  It's not like it's expected to actually do anything.  India's strategic concerns are a little closer to home.

A Dreadnought could serve the same purpose, and the Russians might just know something about operating a dreadnought.

Effective flight deck operations require Master Chief Aviation Bosun's Mates, and those take a couple of decades to create.
Do you mean effective or optimum?
Title: Re: Russian Made Indian Aircraft Carrier Sets Out On Trial Voyage
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on June 09, 2012, 11:17:13 AM
Quote from: grumbler on June 09, 2012, 11:02:43 AM
Quote from: Iormlund on June 09, 2012, 11:00:31 AM
And how many decades would it take if they had dreadnoughts instead of a carrier?

None.  They wouldn't need any Master Chief Aviation Bosun's Mates.
Zing!
Title: Re: Russian Made Indian Aircraft Carrier Sets Out On Trial Voyage
Post by: grumbler on June 09, 2012, 01:35:51 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 09, 2012, 11:07:55 AM
Do you mean effective or optimum?

Effective. 
Title: Re: Russian Made Indian Aircraft Carrier Sets Out On Trial Voyage
Post by: Neil on June 09, 2012, 01:48:04 PM
Quote from: grumbler on June 09, 2012, 01:35:51 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 09, 2012, 11:07:55 AM
Do you mean effective or optimum?
Effective.
I think you're overstating your case.  Furious was able to effectively launch aircraft, and there wasn't a Aviation Boatswain's Mate anywhere in the world at that time.
Title: Re: Russian Made Indian Aircraft Carrier Sets Out On Trial Voyage
Post by: grumbler on June 09, 2012, 04:29:21 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 09, 2012, 01:48:04 PM
I think you're overstating your case.  Furious was able to effectively launch aircraft, and there wasn't a Aviation Boatswain's Mate anywhere in the world at that time.

Furious had no more than seven planes in the air at any one time until the late 20s, and never was very effective.  She was mostly used as an aircraft transport.  She's a poor example to use for effective flight operations: in the Norwegian campaign, she lost 2/3 of her air wing and in return managed to destroy 2 Ju-52s on the ground.
Title: Re: Russian Made Indian Aircraft Carrier Sets Out On Trial Voyage
Post by: Neil on June 09, 2012, 04:53:24 PM
Quote from: grumbler on June 09, 2012, 04:29:21 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 09, 2012, 01:48:04 PM
I think you're overstating your case.  Furious was able to effectively launch aircraft, and there wasn't a Aviation Boatswain's Mate anywhere in the world at that time.
Furious had no more than seven planes in the air at any one time until the late 20s, and never was very effective.  She was mostly used as an aircraft transport.  She's a poor example to use for effective flight operations: in the Norwegian campaign, she lost 2/3 of her air wing and in return managed to destroy 2 Ju-52s on the ground.
Well, if we want to range into WWII, Ark Royal was pretty effective.  I just chose Furious because it was capable of launching aircraft effectively (although it wasn't really all that effective at landing them until after they rebuilt it).  It was the aircraft themselves that were ineffective, for a variety of reasons.
Title: Re: Russian Made Indian Aircraft Carrier Sets Out On Trial Voyage
Post by: MadBurgerMaker on June 09, 2012, 08:05:20 PM
The carrier India has had since the 80's is presumably able to effectively launch aircraft without USN AB's as well.
Title: Re: Russian Made Indian Aircraft Carrier Sets Out On Trial Voyage
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on June 09, 2012, 09:22:23 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 09, 2012, 08:05:20 PM
The carrier India has had since the 80's is presumably able to effectively launch aircraft without USN AB's as well.
grumbles is talkin about effective flight operations during combat. Remember for him that means managing to reload the onager before Persians ram you.
Title: Re: Russian Made Indian Aircraft Carrier Sets Out On Trial Voyage
Post by: DGuller on June 09, 2012, 09:34:48 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on June 09, 2012, 11:00:31 AM
Quote from: grumbler on June 09, 2012, 10:22:22 AM
Quote from: Neil on June 09, 2012, 10:17:02 AM
They just need it for the prestige.  It's not like it's expected to actually do anything.  India's strategic concerns are a little closer to home.

A Dreadnought could serve the same purpose, and the Russians might just know something about operating a dreadnought.

Effective flight deck operations require Master Chief Aviation Bosun's Mates, and those take a couple of decades to create.

And how many decades would it take if they had dreadnoughts instead of a carrier?
It wouldn't take long at all.  After the first attempt to land the plane on the dreadnought, the problem solves itself.