I was curious, what if Mitt was the nominee for Democratic Party rather then the Republican. For those who intend to vote Romney this time around, would it make a difference? Assuming that Romney is the same guy with the same record, indicate how you would vote if he ran against the following GOP candidates for President if it were a general election.
Rick Santorum
Newt Gingrich
Ron Paul
Michele Bachmann
Herman Cain
Rick Perry
Jon Huntsman
Against those guys? What kind of a choice is that? How could you not vote Romney?
Huntsman
Quote from: Neil on June 01, 2012, 12:47:33 PM
Against those guys? What kind of a choice is that? How could you not vote Romney?
Well, they are Republicans and ran for President in this primary. Who the hell else am I going to pick? Dead people? French candidates? Democrats?
Quote from: Viking on June 01, 2012, 12:52:01 PM
Huntsman
Yeah, but he wouldn't win the nomination.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 01, 2012, 12:47:33 PM
Against those guys? What kind of a choice is that? How could you not vote Romney?
Well, they are Republicans and ran for President in this primary. Who the hell else am I going to pick? Dead people? French candidates? Democrats?
Sure. It's a counterfactual.
Nixon 2012.
I still think I need more info. If the *only* difference would be that he'd have a "D" next to his name and he were willing to work with Republicans in congress the same as he would as a Republican, then shit yeah I'd vote for him.
It's not as if I'm incapable of voting for Demoncrats. I do so whenever I find one I like.
Quote from: Viking on June 01, 2012, 12:52:01 PM
Huntsman
It's not multiple choice. You pick who you vote for in each scenario if the candidate was the GOP nominee.
Quote from: derspiess on June 01, 2012, 12:53:48 PM
I still think I need more info. If the *only* difference would be that he'd have a "D" next to his name and he were willing to work with Republicans in congress the same as he would as a Republican, then shit yeah I'd vote for him.
It's not as if I'm incapable of voting for Demoncrats. I do so whenever I find one I like.
You are assuming that Republicans would actually work with him. They've shown no indication they wanted to from the very beginning.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 12:53:59 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 01, 2012, 12:52:01 PM
Huntsman
It's not multiple choice. You pick who you vote for in each scenario if the candidate was the GOP nominee.
OK
Romney
Romney
Romeny
Romney
Romney
Romney
Huntsman
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 12:55:14 PM
You are assuming that Republicans would actually work with him. They've shown no indication they wanted to from the very beginning.
:huh:
edit: linky
http://innovation.cq.com/pub/table/index.php?id=69
The Huntmeister.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 12:46:17 PM
I was curious, what if Mitt was the nominee for Democratic Party rather then the Republican.
He's been that. Governor of Massachusetts.
Quote from: derspiess on June 01, 2012, 12:57:54 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 12:55:14 PM
You are assuming that Republicans would actually work with him. They've shown no indication they wanted to from the very beginning.
:huh:
Outside the Conservative echo chamber it's pretty obvious that Republicans in Congress have no interest in working with the President. 2008 broke the record in filibusters. You are also assuming there will be a GOP controlled Congress. That isn't necessarily going to be true.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on June 01, 2012, 01:03:49 PM
The Huntmeister.
If I was going to make it a poll, I would have made it a poll.
Quote from: derspiess on June 01, 2012, 12:57:54 PM
http://innovation.cq.com/pub/table/index.php?id=69
Presumably Republican congressmen wouldn't be endorsing him if he was the Democratic Nominee for President. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 01:05:06 PM
Outside the Conservative echo chamber it's pretty obvious that Republicans in Congress have no interest in working with the President. 2008 broke the record in
filibusters.
:huh:
We will have none of your confusing us with logic here Habbu.
Quote from: Neil on June 01, 2012, 01:09:47 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 01:06:03 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on June 01, 2012, 01:03:49 PM
The Huntmeister.
If I was going to make it a poll, I would have made it a poll.
Maybe you should have.
That really wouldn't have accomplished much would it? We already had those for the Primary.
Quote from: Habbaku on June 01, 2012, 01:16:10 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 01:05:06 PM
Outside the Conservative echo chamber it's pretty obvious that Republicans in Congress have no interest in working with the President. 2008 broke the record in
filibusters.
:huh:
Are all my posts coming out in Swahili today?
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 01:05:06 PM
Outside the Conservative echo chamber it's pretty obvious that Republicans in Congress have no interest in working with the President. 2008 broke the record in filibusters. You are also assuming there will be a GOP controlled Congress. That isn't necessarily going to be true.
I thought we were talking about Romney.
Re: GOP control of congress, I feel pretty confident that they will retain the House and think they have a good shot at taking the Senate. Nothing is ever 100% certain of course, but I would still want a Pretend Democrat President Romney to work with the GOP in any case.
Quote from: Habbaku on June 01, 2012, 01:16:10 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 01:05:06 PM
Outside the Conservative echo chamber it's pretty obvious that Republicans in Congress have no interest in working with the President. 2008 broke the record in
filibusters.
:huh:
So, how about that Transportation bill?
I thought the 1852 Congress was the high point of Filibustering?
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 01:17:57 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 01, 2012, 01:09:47 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 01:06:03 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on June 01, 2012, 01:03:49 PM
The Huntmeister.
If I was going to make it a poll, I would have made it a poll.
Maybe you should have.
That really wouldn't have accomplished much would it? We already had those for the Primary.
And do you feel that this thread is accomplishing something?
Quote from: derspiess on June 01, 2012, 01:19:24 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 01:05:06 PM
Outside the Conservative echo chamber it's pretty obvious that Republicans in Congress have no interest in working with the President. 2008 broke the record in filibusters. You are also assuming there will be a GOP controlled Congress. That isn't necessarily going to be true.
I thought we were talking about Romney.
Re: GOP control of congress, I feel pretty confident that they will retain the House and think they have a good shot at taking the Senate. Nothing is ever 100% certain of course, but I would still want a Pretend Democrat President Romney to work with the GOP in any case.
Is there any indication that the GOP would act differently if there was different Democrat in office? The previous Democrat they obstructed and impeached. Several Republicans have stated this is simply a strategy. There is no reason to believe they would not adopt the same strategy for another Democratic President. Especially one who created a socialized healthcare law in his own state.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 01:18:59 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on June 01, 2012, 01:16:10 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 01:05:06 PM
Outside the Conservative echo chamber it's pretty obvious that Republicans in Congress have no interest in working with the President. 2008 broke the record in
filibusters.
:huh:
Are all my posts coming out in Swahili today?
Wao si kuja nje kwa Kiingereza.
Quote from: Viking on June 01, 2012, 01:25:38 PM
I thought the 1852 Congress was the high point of Filibustering?
Boring. No C-Span.
Quote from: Neil on June 01, 2012, 01:26:01 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 01:17:57 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 01, 2012, 01:09:47 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 01:06:03 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on June 01, 2012, 01:03:49 PM
The Huntmeister.
If I was going to make it a poll, I would have made it a poll.
Maybe you should have.
That really wouldn't have accomplished much would it? We already had those for the Primary.
And do you feel that this thread is accomplishing something?
Sometimes I think people on Languish are worth talking to. Less and Less these days. Hey, do you know if Yi is now ignoring me? I haven't heard from him after he stormed off last.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 01, 2012, 01:31:18 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 01, 2012, 01:25:38 PM
I thought the 1852 Congress was the high point of Filibustering?
Boring. No C-Span.
Less C-Span, more republics in Sonoroa, Baja California and on the land of the putative Nicaragua Canal.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 01:31:47 PM
Sometimes I think people on Languish are worth talking to. Less and Less these days. Hey, do you know if Yi is now ignoring me? I haven't heard from him after he stormed off last.
I have no idea. I don't like the ignore feature.
Quote from: Neil on June 01, 2012, 01:33:33 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 01:31:47 PM
Sometimes I think people on Languish are worth talking to. Less and Less these days. Hey, do you know if Yi is now ignoring me? I haven't heard from him after he stormed off last.
I have no idea. I don't like the ignore feature.
Oh, I thought you could see stuff like that as an Admin.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 01:27:18 PM
Quote from: derspiess on June 01, 2012, 01:19:24 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 01:05:06 PM
Outside the Conservative echo chamber it's pretty obvious that Republicans in Congress have no interest in working with the President. 2008 broke the record in filibusters. You are also assuming there will be a GOP controlled Congress. That isn't necessarily going to be true.
I thought we were talking about Romney.
Re: GOP control of congress, I feel pretty confident that they will retain the House and think they have a good shot at taking the Senate. Nothing is ever 100% certain of course, but I would still want a Pretend Democrat President Romney to work with the GOP in any case.
Is there any indication that the GOP would act differently if there was different Democrat in office? The previous Democrat they obstructed and impeached.
Hold up a minute, there. The GOP reached across the aisle & worked with Clinton on NAFTA, welfare reform, and other items on which they agreed. Clinton was smart enough to steal some issues from the GOP and pretty much force them to work with him. Obama, not so much. He seemed to prefer telling the GOP that elections have consequences.
In his first two years?
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 01:56:32 PM
In his first two years?
I'd suggest that the 1994 GOP was less cooperative than the 2008 one. At least the 2008 one kept paying government salaries.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 01:56:32 PM
In his first two years?
No. But he got beaten up so bad in the '94 mid-terms that he realized he couldn't just push a hard left agenda and be successful. Obama didn't learn that lesson after 2010, sadly.
Quote from: Viking on June 01, 2012, 01:58:58 PM
I'd suggest that the 1994 GOP was less cooperative than the 2008 one. At least the 2008 one kept paying government salaries.
Just wait until this summer, 90 days before the election.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 01, 2012, 02:00:25 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 01, 2012, 01:58:58 PM
I'd suggest that the 1994 GOP was less cooperative than the 2008 one. At least the 2008 one kept paying government salaries.
Just wait until this summer, 90 days before the election.
I suspect that the GOP realizes that not paying the salaries of government employees is a losing move even for Ron Paul supporters.
Quote from: derspiess on June 01, 2012, 01:59:09 PM
No. But he got beaten up so bad in the '94 mid-terms that he realized he couldn't just push a hard left agenda and be successful. Obama didn't learn that lesson after 2010, sadly.
Bubba was in many ways a perfect moderate Republican president.
Quote from: derspiess on June 01, 2012, 01:59:09 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 01:56:32 PM
In his first two years?
No. But he got beaten up so bad in the '94 mid-terms that he realized he couldn't just push a hard left agenda and be successful. Obama didn't learn that lesson after 2010, sadly.
Ah, so no. They weren't interested in working with him. There was an enormous increase in filibusters at the time as well. But of course it was the Democrat's fault. It's always the Democrat's fault. Now, did Democrats refuse to work with Bush in his first two years? I seem to recall them passing his tax stuff, and his war against Iraq
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 01, 2012, 02:05:20 PM
Quote from: derspiess on June 01, 2012, 01:59:09 PM
No. But he got beaten up so bad in the '94 mid-terms that he realized he couldn't just push a hard left agenda and be successful. Obama didn't learn that lesson after 2010, sadly.
Bubba was in many ways a perfect moderate Republican president.
I know, I know - balanced budget, welfare reform - why were we so worked up over him?
Who is "we"?
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 02:14:34 PM
Who is "we"?
Those of us who identify as being right-wing.
You were worked up over Bubba? I wasn't. The only I get worked up over is the assertion that he "created" the strong economy of his tenure.
Quote from: Barrister on June 01, 2012, 02:17:10 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 02:14:34 PM
Who is "we"?
Those of us who identify as being right-wing.
I don't think the Canadians right was that unhappy with him. I don't know why the GOP does things. I think they are terrified of a Democratic president succeeding and are willing to do almost anything to prevent that happening. Cal's Senator stated that his number one priority is to see Obama be a one term President. Not to see the country safe from terrorists, or to get the US out of recession, but to prevent Obama from getting a second term. He's not some scrub, he's the minority leader in the Senate, a major leader of the party.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 01, 2012, 02:20:49 PM
You were worked up over Bubba? I wasn't. The only I get worked up over is the assertion that he "created" the strong economy of his tenure.
I was, at times. I gave him his due props whenever he did something good, though. I miss ol' Bubba. Leave it to Obama to make that happen.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 02:37:15 PM
Cal's Senator stated that his number one priority is to see Obama be a one term President. Not to see the country safe from terrorists, or to get the US out of recession, but to prevent Obama from getting a second term. He's not some scrub, he's the minority leader in the Senate, a major leader of the party.
If one views getting rid of Obama as the only way of accomplishing those things, it makes perfect sense.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 01, 2012, 02:20:49 PM
You were worked up over Bubba? I wasn't. The only I get worked up over is the assertion that he "created" the strong economy of his tenure.
I was a LOT more involved in active politics at the time. I definitely wanted Bush and Dole to win their respective elections, loved the Contract with America, etc. I supported Ken Starr, though I was uneasy with impeachment.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 01:42:03 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 01, 2012, 01:33:33 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 01:31:47 PM
Sometimes I think people on Languish are worth talking to. Less and Less these days. Hey, do you know if Yi is now ignoring me? I haven't heard from him after he stormed off last.
I have no idea. I don't like the ignore feature.
Oh, I thought you could see stuff like that as an Admin.
I guess I probably could if I went snooping around through people's account details, but that's not me. There's no centralized list of who's ignoring who.
Clinton's problems, much like Nixon's, were personal rather than political.
Quote from: derspiess on June 01, 2012, 02:41:25 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 02:37:15 PM
Cal's Senator stated that his number one priority is to see Obama be a one term President. Not to see the country safe from terrorists, or to get the US out of recession, but to prevent Obama from getting a second term. He's not some scrub, he's the minority leader in the Senate, a major leader of the party.
If one views getting rid of Obama as the only way of accomplishing those things, it makes perfect sense.
The only way to accomplish these things? . What evidence is there that this is the only way to accomplish these things? Unemployment is falling and there have been no major successful terrorist attacks on the US. That would seem to contradict the this weird belief.
Quote from: derspiess on June 01, 2012, 02:40:23 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 01, 2012, 02:20:49 PM
You were worked up over Bubba? I wasn't. The only I get worked up over is the assertion that he "created" the strong economy of his tenure.
I was, at times. I gave him his due props whenever he did something good, though. I miss ol' Bubba. Leave it to Obama to make that happen.
You'll miss Obama as well when he's gone.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 03:06:08 PM
Quote from: derspiess on June 01, 2012, 02:41:25 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 02:37:15 PM
Cal's Senator stated that his number one priority is to see Obama be a one term President. Not to see the country safe from terrorists, or to get the US out of recession, but to prevent Obama from getting a second term. He's not some scrub, he's the minority leader in the Senate, a major leader of the party.
If one views getting rid of Obama as the only way of accomplishing those things, it makes perfect sense.
The only way to accomplish these things? . What evidence is there that this is the only way to accomplish these things? Unemployment is falling and there have been no major successful terrorist attacks on the US. That would seem to contradict the this weird belief.
Take it up with McConnell, not me.
Also, unemployment is no longer falling :(
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 03:07:43 PM
You'll miss Obama as well when he's gone.
Really? Well, I hope I have the opportunity to miss him next year :)
Quote from: derspiess on June 01, 2012, 03:39:20 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 03:07:43 PM
You'll miss Obama as well when he's gone.
Really? Well, I hope I have the opportunity to miss him next year :)
You won't in two years then.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 03:44:51 PM
Quote from: derspiess on June 01, 2012, 03:39:20 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 01, 2012, 03:07:43 PM
You'll miss Obama as well when he's gone.
Really? Well, I hope I have the opportunity to miss him next year :)
You won't in two years then.
I think you are speaking Swahili. Or it's beer-thirty and my mind is on other things.