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Title: The Merry Miscarriages of Windsor
Post by: Queequeg on May 30, 2012, 08:10:52 PM
Just out of curiosity, is there any indication that Henry VIII had some kind of genetic condition?  It would seem that the number of miscarriages resulting from his various marriages would be pretty far outside of the ordinary even during this period.   Seems like more than bad luck.

Reading Wolf Hall. 
Title: Re: Henry VIII's miscarriages
Post by: PDH on May 30, 2012, 08:13:24 PM
I don't think he had any miscarriages at all.  I believe his wives did.
Title: Re: Henry VIII's miscarriages
Post by: DGuller on May 30, 2012, 08:14:51 PM
Some of his wives definitely failed to carry their heads to term.
Title: Re: The Merry Miscarriages of Windsor
Post by: Jaron on May 30, 2012, 08:50:21 PM
It is now believed Henry was Diabetic, and most Diabetics can't have sex.
Title: Re: The Merry Miscarriages of Windsor
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 30, 2012, 09:02:15 PM
Quote from: Jaron on May 30, 2012, 08:50:21 PM
It is now believed Henry was Diabetic, and most Diabetics can't have sex.

You hear that, Ide?  Take note.
Title: Re: The Merry Miscarriages of Windsor
Post by: HVC on May 30, 2012, 09:17:00 PM
at what stage does syphilis cause miscarriages? it could be that he was infecting all his wives.
Title: Re: The Merry Miscarriages of Windsor
Post by: Valmy on May 30, 2012, 10:06:47 PM
Quote from: HVC on May 30, 2012, 09:17:00 PM
at what stage does syphilis cause miscarriages? it could be that he was infecting all his wives.

Syphilis?  I know he had gout pretty horribly but syphilis?
Title: Re: The Merry Miscarriages of Windsor
Post by: Valmy on May 30, 2012, 10:07:47 PM
Quote from: Jaron on May 30, 2012, 08:50:21 PM
It is now believed Henry was Diabetic, and most Diabetics can't have sex.

So where did Mary, Elizabeth, and Edward come from?  Or I guess you are referring to his later life impotence.  It could just be old age.
Title: Re: The Merry Miscarriages of Windsor
Post by: Sheilbh on May 31, 2012, 05:48:58 AM
It's a good book.  I recommend Mantel's 'A Place of Greater Safety' which is a similar style about Desmoulins, Danton and Robespierre :mmm:
Title: Re: The Merry Miscarriages of Windsor
Post by: Gups on May 31, 2012, 07:10:31 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 31, 2012, 05:48:58 AM
It's a good book.  I recommend Mantel's 'A Place of Greater Safety' which is a similar style about Desmoulins, Danton and Robespierre :mmm:

Loved them both. Looking forward to reading the sequel to Wolf Hall.
Title: Re: The Merry Miscarriages of Windsor
Post by: Valdemar on May 31, 2012, 07:22:56 AM
As I heard it many historians/forensics suggest syphilis or something like it based on sympthoms and the lack of children, male children and the one sick heir.

That would also fit with the increasing signs of mental instability as age set in.

IIRC one of the syphilic sideeffects is a lower probability to beget especially male children, and those that survive birth often die early.

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Title: Re: The Merry Miscarriages of Windsor
Post by: Valmy on May 31, 2012, 07:45:43 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on May 31, 2012, 07:22:56 AM
As I heard it many historians/forensics suggest syphilis or something like it based on sympthoms and the lack of children, male children and the one sick heir.

That would also fit with the increasing signs of mental instability as age set in.

IIRC one of the syphilic sideeffects is a lower probability to beget especially male children, and those that survive birth often die early.

Meh Syphillis gets over used so I am always a bit skeptical about it.  Particularly with people who become unhinged.
Title: Re: The Merry Miscarriages of Windsor
Post by: Valdemar on May 31, 2012, 07:55:20 AM
Indeed, but the inability to carry male children, or low probability with high mortality, paired with the general degeneration of mental stability, sores on legs (also diabetic, I know) and a number of other sympthoms I do not know about makes it a likely case, if not an airtight one

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Title: Re: The Merry Miscarriages of Windsor
Post by: garbon on May 31, 2012, 08:03:23 AM
Quote from: Queequeg on May 30, 2012, 08:10:52 PM
Reading Wolf Hall. 

How do you like it? I was reading it for a bit, sat it down and never picked it up again.