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Title: "And the Lord did spaketh unto him, and...Ow, fuck! I'm dead!"
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 29, 2012, 11:49:16 PM
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QuoteSerpent-handling pastor profiled earlier in Washington Post dies from rattlesnake bite

Mack Wolford, a flamboyant Pentecostal pastor from West Virginia whose serpent-handling talents were profiled last November in The Washington Post Magazine , hoped the outdoor service he had planned for Sunday at an isolated state park would be a "homecoming like the old days," full of folks speaking in tongues, handling snakes and having a "great time." But it was not the sort of homecoming he foresaw.

Instead, Wolford, who turned 44 the previous day, was bitten by a rattlesnake he owned for years. He died late Sunday.

Mark Randall "Mack" Wolford was known all over Appalachia as a daring man of conviction. He believed that the Bible mandates that Christians handle serpents to test their faith in God — and that, if they are bitten, they trust in God alone to heal them.

He and other adherents cited Mark 16:17-18 as the reason for their practice: "And these signs will follow those who believe: in My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover."

The son of a serpent handler who himself died in 1983 after being bitten, Wolford was trying to keep the practice alive, both in West Virginia, where it is legal, and in neighboring states where it is not. He was the kind of man reporters love: articulate, friendly and appreciative of media attention. Many serpent-handling Pentecostals retreat from journalists, but Wolford didn't. He'd take them on snake-hunting expeditions.

Last Sunday started as a festive outdoor service on a sunny afternoon at Panther Wildlife Management Area, a state park roughly 80 miles west of Bluefield, W.Va. In the preceding days, Wolford had posted several teasers on his Facebook page asking people to attend.

"I am looking for a great time this Sunday," he wrote May 22. "It is going to be a homecoming like the old days. Good 'ole raised in the holler or mountain ridge running, Holy Ghost-filled speaking-in-tongues sign believers."

"Praise the Lord and pass the rattlesnakes, brother" he wrote on May 23. He also invited his extended family, who had largely given up the practice of serpent handling, to come to the park.

"At one time or another, we had handled [snakes], but we had backslid," his sister, Robin Vanover, said Monday evening. "His birthday was Saturday, and all he wanted to do is get his brothers and sisters in church together."

And so they were gathered at this evangelistic hootenanny of Christian praise and worship. About 30 minutes into the service, his sister said, Wolford passed a yellow timber rattlesnake to a church member and his mother.

"He laid it on the ground," she said, "and he sat down next to the snake, and it bit him on the thigh."

A state forester, who was not authorized to speak on the record, said park officials were unaware of Wolford's activities. "Had we known he had poisonous animals, we would have never allowed it," he said.

The festivities came to a halt shortly thereafter, and Wolford was taken back to a relative's house in Bluefield to recover, as he always had when suffering from previous snake bites. By late afternoon, it was clear that this time was different, and desperate messages began flying about on Facebook, asking for prayer.

Wolford got progressively worse. Paramedics transported him to Bluefield Regional Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead. It could not be determined when the paramedics were called.

Wolford was 15 when he saw his father die at age 39 of a rattlesnake bite in almost exactly the same circumstances.

"He lived 10 1/2 hours," Wolford told The Washington Post last fall. "When he got bit, he said he wanted to die in the church. Three hours after he was bitten, his kidneys shut down. After a while, your heart stops. I hated to see him go, but he died for what he believed in."

According to people who witnessed Mack Wolford's death, history repeated itself. He was bitten roughly at 1:30 p.m.; he died about 11 that night.

One of the people present was Lauren Pond, 26, a freelance photographer from the District. She had been photographing serpent handlers in the area for more than a year, including for The Post, and stayed at Wolford's home in November.

"He helped me to understand the faith instead of just documenting it," she said Tuesday. "He was one of the most open pastors I've ever met. He was a friend and a teacher."

The family allowed her to stay near Wolford's side Sunday night, and she's still recovering from having witnessed the pastor's agonizing death. "I didn't see the bite," she said. "I saw the aftermath."

In an interview with The Post for last year's story, Jim Murphy, curator of the Reptile Discovery Center at the National Zoo, described what happens when a rattlesnake bites.

The pain is "excruciating," he said. "The venom attacks the nervous system. It's vicious and gruesome when it hits."

But Wolford refused to fear the creatures. He slung poisonous snakes around his neck, danced with them, even laid down on or near them. He displayed spots on his right hand where copperheads had sunk their fangs. His home in Bluefield had a spare bedroom filled with at least eight venomous snakes: usually rattlers, water moccasins and copperheads that he fed rats and mice. He was passionate about wanting to help churches in nearby states — including North Carolina and Tennessee, where the practice is illegal — start up their own serpent-handling services.

"I promised the Lord I'd do everything in my power to keep the faith going," he said in October. "I spend a lot of time going a lot of places that handle serpents to keep them motivated. I'm trying to get anybody I can get involved."

His funeral will be held Saturday at his church, House of the Lord Jesus, in Matoaka, just north of Bluefield.


Julia Duin, a contributing writer for The Washington Post Magazine, wrote the original article about Mack Wolford.

Original WasPost Mag article here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/in-wva-snake-handling-is-still-considered-a-sign-of-faith/2011/10/18/gIQAmiqL9M_story.html
Title: Re: "And the Lord did spaketh unto him, and...Ow, fuck! I'm dead!"
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 29, 2012, 11:50:36 PM
Anybody ever been to or through Bluefield, WV?

Without a doubt, one of the most depressing places you will ever see.  Makes Vineland, NJ look like a bustling center of cosmopolitan life.
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Post by: Jaron on May 29, 2012, 11:51:21 PM
Rest in peaces, Brother Mack.

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Title: Re: "And the Lord did spaketh unto him, and...Ow, fuck! I'm dead!"
Post by: Eddie Teach on May 30, 2012, 01:35:18 AM
What a goof.
Title: Re: "And the Lord did spaketh unto him, and...Ow, fuck! I'm dead!"
Post by: Caliga on May 30, 2012, 05:06:40 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 29, 2012, 11:50:36 PM
Anybody ever been to or through Bluefield, WV?

Without a doubt, one of the most depressing places you will ever see.  Makes Vineland, NJ look like a bustling center of cosmopolitan life.
Isn't it mostly abandoned?  Haven't been there but there are plenty of other towns in West Virginia like that.
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Post by: DontSayBanana on May 30, 2012, 06:38:54 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 29, 2012, 11:50:36 PM
Anybody ever been to or through Bluefield, WV?

Without a doubt, one of the most depressing places you will ever see.  Makes Vineland, NJ look like a bustling center of cosmopolitan life.

:P Shooby.  Bridgeton's the happening place for all the "urban renewal," you know. ;)
Title: Re: "And the Lord did spaketh unto him, and...Ow, fuck! I'm dead!"
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 30, 2012, 06:44:21 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on May 30, 2012, 06:38:54 AM
:P Shooby.  Bridgeton's the happening place for all the "urban renewal," you know. ;)

Yeah, I remember Bridgeton.   Met the Chief of Police there at the time. Entire office was fitted out in Penn State/Paterno worship. Heh.
Title: Re: "And the Lord did spaketh unto him, and...Ow, fuck! I'm dead!"
Post by: DGuller on May 30, 2012, 08:23:53 AM
That reminds me of a story many years ago in Kiev.  Some guy enter the lion cage intending to prove that his faith in God can save him from being eaten.  It appeared that his proof had a bit of a flaw somewhere.
Title: Re: "And the Lord did spaketh unto him, and...Ow, fuck! I'm dead!"
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 30, 2012, 08:27:23 AM
Quote from: DGuller on May 30, 2012, 08:23:53 AM
That reminds me of a story many years ago in Kiev.  Some guy enter the lion cage intending to prove that his faith in God can save him from being eaten.  It appeared that his proof had a bit of a flaw somewhere.

Considering the winning streak the Lions have over the Christians, never take the dog and the points.
Title: Re: "And the Lord did spaketh unto him, and...Ow, fuck! I'm dead!"
Post by: Razgovory on May 30, 2012, 08:34:49 AM
How's Derspeiss holding up?  I hope he doesn't take the news to hard.
Title: Re: "And the Lord did spaketh unto him, and...Ow, fuck! I'm dead!"
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 30, 2012, 08:43:31 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 30, 2012, 08:34:49 AM
How's Derspeiss holding up?  I hope he doesn't take the news to hard.

Snake didn't bite any fetuses, so I'm sure he's cool.
Title: Re: "And the Lord did spaketh unto him, and...Ow, fuck! I'm dead!"
Post by: DGuller on May 30, 2012, 09:01:10 AM
Found it, just to amuse myself. http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=17804
Title: Re: "And the Lord did spaketh unto him, and...Ow, fuck! I'm dead!"
Post by: Eddie Teach on May 30, 2012, 09:07:31 AM
Quote from: DGuller on May 30, 2012, 09:01:10 AM
Found it, just to amuse myself. http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=17804

Azeri? Shouldn't he be praying to Allah then?
Title: Re: "And the Lord did spaketh unto him, and...Ow, fuck! I'm dead!"
Post by: DGuller on May 30, 2012, 09:08:45 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on May 30, 2012, 09:07:31 AM
Quote from: DGuller on May 30, 2012, 09:01:10 AM
Found it, just to amuse myself. http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=17804

Azeri? Shouldn't he be praying to Allah then?
Maybe that was his mistake.
Title: Re: "And the Lord did spaketh unto him, and...Ow, fuck! I'm dead!"
Post by: OttoVonBismarck on May 30, 2012, 09:56:48 AM
I've been through Bluefield, and no, it isn't one of those abandoned mining cities. I don't know that it's ever been any more than it is right now, it's basically always been small and unremarkable. I read once that basically the only thing the town has going for it is, because of its elevation, it is naturally cool during most of the Summer. They call themselves "nature's air conditioned city." Apparently they give out free lemonade any day of the year that gets over 90...

There's also a Bluefield, VA that is right across the river from Bluefield, WV, and is a little bit smaller.
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Post by: Razgovory on May 30, 2012, 10:21:43 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 30, 2012, 08:43:31 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 30, 2012, 08:34:49 AM
How's Derspeiss holding up?  I hope he doesn't take the news to hard.

Snake didn't bite any fetuses, so I'm sure he's cool.

They are his people.  I thought he'd be put out.
Title: Re: "And the Lord did spaketh unto him, and...Ow, fuck! I'm dead!"
Post by: Razgovory on May 30, 2012, 10:23:45 AM
Quote from: DGuller on May 30, 2012, 09:01:10 AM
Found it, just to amuse myself. http://www.sptimes.ru/index.php?action_id=2&story_id=17804

Sounds like an agnostic attempting to prove or disprove the existence of God.
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Post by: CountDeMoney on May 30, 2012, 10:24:54 AM
Quote from: OttoVonBismarck on May 30, 2012, 09:56:48 AM
I've been through Bluefield, and no, it isn't one of those abandoned mining cities.

Nah, it's still breathing, but what's fascinating about it is how the center of the town has developed on both slopes of the valley, with all the railroad and coal distribution development dividing it all at the bottom.  You've got predominantly commercial and business on one side with some of the better residential areas, and the crappy, low-income neighborhoods on the other--and because of their tremendous drug problems, and the way the town has three or four main bridges to go over the tracks at the center, it's difficult for the po-po to respond to calls for open-air slinging in time, since they can see them coming.

We were looking at the heavy traffic houses through binoculars on the roof of the police department, and there was a known dealer on his porch, looking right back at us in his.  It was like being on the DMZ.  :lol:
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Post by: derspiess on May 30, 2012, 10:43:34 AM
My best friend's dad is from Bluefield (and he also has or had family all the way out in Matoaka) & I was there about a year & a half ago for his funeral.  The street he lived on is straight out of Leave it to Beaver & from what I hear, the whole town was like that at one point.  My buddy and his brother both agree that the town is going to shit.  I think the only nice town in southern WV is Lewisburg.

The town tends to produce some really good college basketball players, FWIW.
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Post by: derspiess on May 30, 2012, 10:45:10 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 30, 2012, 10:21:43 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 30, 2012, 08:43:31 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 30, 2012, 08:34:49 AM
How's Derspeiss holding up?  I hope he doesn't take the news to hard.

Snake didn't bite any fetuses, so I'm sure he's cool.

They are his people.  I thought he'd be put out.

I don't claim responsibility for all non-Catholic Christian sects.  Snake handlers, Mormons, etc. are out of my jurisdiction.
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Post by: DGuller on May 30, 2012, 10:49:45 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 30, 2012, 10:45:10 AM
I don't claim responsibility for all non-Catholic Christian sects.  Snake handlers, Mormons, etc. are out of my jurisdiction.
Don't worry, we'll find something that'll stick.  :)
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Post by: Valmy on May 30, 2012, 11:14:47 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 30, 2012, 10:45:10 AM
I don't claim responsibility for all non-Catholic Christian sects.  Snake handlers, Mormons, etc. are out of my jurisdiction.

Really he only represents the Methodists and their quality bake sales.
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Post by: Ed Anger on May 30, 2012, 11:18:45 AM
Quote from: DGuller on May 30, 2012, 10:49:45 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 30, 2012, 10:45:10 AM
I don't claim responsibility for all non-Catholic Christian sects.  Snake handlers, Mormons, etc. are out of my jurisdiction.
Don't worry, we'll find something that'll stick.  :)

Sticky like your blueberry habit.
Title: Re: "And the Lord did spaketh unto him, and...Ow, fuck! I'm dead!"
Post by: Razgovory on May 30, 2012, 11:19:58 AM
The blueberry habit is one of the fruitier outfits for nuns.
Title: Re: "And the Lord did spaketh unto him, and...Ow, fuck! I'm dead!"
Post by: DGuller on May 30, 2012, 11:39:11 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 30, 2012, 11:18:45 AM
Quote from: DGuller on May 30, 2012, 10:49:45 AM
Quote from: derspiess on May 30, 2012, 10:45:10 AM
I don't claim responsibility for all non-Catholic Christian sects.  Snake handlers, Mormons, etc. are out of my jurisdiction.
Don't worry, we'll find something that'll stick.  :)

Sticky like your blueberry habit.
What's wrong with my blueberry habit?  :mad:
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Post by: Eddie Teach on May 30, 2012, 12:30:07 PM
Strawberries > blueberries
Title: Re: "And the Lord did spaketh unto him, and...Ow, fuck! I'm dead!"
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 30, 2012, 12:35:06 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 30, 2012, 10:43:34 AM
My best friend's dad is from Bluefield (and he also has or had family all the way out in Matoaka) & I was there about a year & a half ago for his funeral.  The street he lived on is straight out of Leave it to Beaver & from what I hear, the whole town was like that at one point.  My buddy and his brother both agree that the town is going to shit.  I think the only nice town in southern WV is Lewisburg.

The town tends to produce some really good college basketball players, FWIW.

The area down by that little bible college seemed nice, IIRC.  I'd go there for a BS is Snake Charming.
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Post by: derspiess on May 30, 2012, 12:47:20 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 30, 2012, 12:35:06 PM
The area down by that little bible college seemed nice, IIRC.  I'd go there for a BS is Snake Charming.

What was it you were down there for? 
Title: Re: "And the Lord did spaketh unto him, and...Ow, fuck! I'm dead!"
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 30, 2012, 01:09:11 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 30, 2012, 12:47:20 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 30, 2012, 12:35:06 PM
The area down by that little bible college seemed nice, IIRC.  I'd go there for a BS is Snake Charming.

What was it you were down there for?

Was doing consultancy and installation work for the police department many years ago;  we wound up doing some pole can covert camera installations to cover some of the slinger streets, get out-of-state tags, etc.
I was the guy up in the bucket that looked like he was working on the lines.  :ph34r:

But that was a loooong time ago.
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Post by: derspiess on May 30, 2012, 01:17:29 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 30, 2012, 01:09:11 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 30, 2012, 12:47:20 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 30, 2012, 12:35:06 PM
The area down by that little bible college seemed nice, IIRC.  I'd go there for a BS is Snake Charming.

What was it you were down there for?

Was doing consultancy and installation work for the police department many years ago;  we wound up doing some pole can covert camera installations to cover some of the slinger streets, get out-of-state tags, etc.
I was the guy up in the bucket that looked like he was working on the lines.  :ph34r:

But that was a loooong time ago.

Cool.  Surprisngly large, erm, urbanite population there, eh?
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Post by: CountDeMoney on May 30, 2012, 01:27:59 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 30, 2012, 01:17:29 PM
Cool.  Surprisngly large, erm, urbanite population there, eh?

Significant in certain parts;  there's definitely stratification on the poorer side of town.

Biggest problem Bluefield had (has) is its location;  a nice, quiet border town off the beaten path near the intersection of 77 and 81, it's a substantial way station for drug trafficking (mostly grass) from the western Carolinas and northern Georgia to Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Richmond and DC.  We saw a lot more NC and GA plates than you're supposed to see in that town.  Definitely attracted the attention of HIDTA.
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Post by: derspiess on May 30, 2012, 03:25:07 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 30, 2012, 01:27:59 PM
Biggest problem Bluefield had (has) is its location;  a nice, quiet border town off the beaten path near the intersection of 77 and 81, it's a substantial way station for drug trafficking (mostly grass) from the western Carolinas and northern Georgia to Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Richmond and DC.  We saw a lot more NC and GA plates than you're supposed to see in that town.  Definitely attracted the attention of HIDTA.

My own hometown (Huntington) has apparently attracted a lot of attention from Detroit drug gangs for its high street prices.  There wasn't always a whole lot going on there, but at least crime was low while I was growing up.  Now there's not even that:

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/wv/huntington/crime/#data
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Post by: dps on May 30, 2012, 04:11:12 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 30, 2012, 01:17:29 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 30, 2012, 01:09:11 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 30, 2012, 12:47:20 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 30, 2012, 12:35:06 PM
The area down by that little bible college seemed nice, IIRC.  I'd go there for a BS is Snake Charming.

What was it you were down there for?

Was doing consultancy and installation work for the police department many years ago;  we wound up doing some pole can covert camera installations to cover some of the slinger streets, get out-of-state tags, etc.
I was the guy up in the bucket that looked like he was working on the lines.  :ph34r:

But that was a loooong time ago.

Cool.  Surprisngly large, erm, urbanite population there, eh?

Bluefield is about 22% African-America, so for WV, yeah, surprisingly high.  The state as a whole is less than 5% African-American.