That made me smile :D
Jewish stereotype about money... :D
Israeli President snubs own airline (http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/07/israeli-president-snubs-own-airline-over-5000-oxygen-tank-fee-flies-air-canada-instead/)
QuoteThe 88-year-old Nobel Peace Prize laureate flew Air Canada because El Al wanted to charge him $5,000 to bring an oxygen tank on the flight to Canada.
El Al tries to jew Shimon Peres and fails. :Joos
But Québécois people would be willing to pay a 200%+ surcharge to bring basic medical equipment to fly with a specific airline?
Shimon Peres and Lauren Bacall are first cousins, not many people know that :hmm:
Quote from: Jacob on May 07, 2012, 10:03:01 AM
But Québécois people would be willing to pay a 200%+ surcharge to bring basic medical equipment to fly with a specific airline?
To where? That's included in the trips to Cuba.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on May 07, 2012, 10:12:07 AM
Shimon Peres and Lauren Bacall are first cousins, not many people know that :hmm:
I gotta admit, I didn't.
Quote from: Jacob on May 07, 2012, 10:03:01 AM
But Québécois people would be willing to pay a 200%+ surcharge to bring basic medical equipment to fly with a specific airline?
No. They would be willing to pay a 200%+ surcharge to have bilingual service aboard a canadian airline ;)
But I was more concerned about the Jewish company surcharge for medical equipment. They are the ones who look silly having their President fly on another airline.
Quote from: viper37 on May 07, 2012, 12:34:45 PM
Quote from: Jacob on May 07, 2012, 10:03:01 AM
But Québécois people would be willing to pay a 200%+ surcharge to bring basic medical equipment to fly with a specific airline?
No. They would be willing to pay a 200%+ surcharge to have bilingual service aboard a canadian airline ;)
But I was more concerned about the Jewish company surcharge for medical equipment. They are the ones who look silly having their President fly on another airline.
The issue is almost certainly them being an
Israeli company - creating heightened security concerns about bringing a potentially explosive medical device (oxygen cylinders) on a flight. Where they failed is in not making an exception for their own country's President.
Quote from: Malthus on May 07, 2012, 01:31:38 PM
Quote from: viper37 on May 07, 2012, 12:34:45 PM
Quote from: Jacob on May 07, 2012, 10:03:01 AM
But Québécois people would be willing to pay a 200%+ surcharge to bring basic medical equipment to fly with a specific airline?
No. They would be willing to pay a 200%+ surcharge to have bilingual service aboard a canadian airline ;)
But I was more concerned about the Jewish company surcharge for medical equipment. They are the ones who look silly having their President fly on another airline.
The issue is almost certainly them being an Israeli company - creating heightened security concerns about bringing a potentially explosive medical device (oxygen cylinders) on a flight. Where they failed is in not making an exception for their own country's President.
that's a weird security measure though. if you're going to blow up a plane with you on it i'm sure an extra 5000 is the least of your concerns.
Quote from: HVC on May 07, 2012, 01:34:17 PM
Quote from: Malthus on May 07, 2012, 01:31:38 PM
Quote from: viper37 on May 07, 2012, 12:34:45 PM
Quote from: Jacob on May 07, 2012, 10:03:01 AM
But Québécois people would be willing to pay a 200%+ surcharge to bring basic medical equipment to fly with a specific airline?
No. They would be willing to pay a 200%+ surcharge to have bilingual service aboard a canadian airline ;)
But I was more concerned about the Jewish company surcharge for medical equipment. They are the ones who look silly having their President fly on another airline.
The issue is almost certainly them being an Israeli company - creating heightened security concerns about bringing a potentially explosive medical device (oxygen cylinders) on a flight. Where they failed is in not making an exception for their own country's President.
that's a weird security measure though. if you're going to blow up a plane with you on it i'm sure an extra 5000 is the least of your concerns.
I rather suspect the extra cash is used to pay for (a) increased security & safety measures to ensure that the plane doesn't, in fact, blow up; and (b) increased insurance coverage in case it does. :D
Quote from: Malthus on May 07, 2012, 10:22:21 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on May 07, 2012, 10:12:07 AM
Shimon Peres and Lauren Bacall are first cousins, not many people know that :hmm:
I gotta admit, I didn't.
Huh, that's interesting. Bogey porked a Jew.
Quote from: Malthus on May 07, 2012, 01:31:38 PM
The issue is almost certainly them being an Israeli company
really, it's one and the same in this case. Unless there are Christian airline companies from Israel? ;)
And yeah, it was silly charging for their President. Then again, it would be equally silly to make exceptions.
And it's still silly to overcharge for medical equipment while other companies don't. The increase in cost to watch over an oxygen bottle because they are an Israeli company can't be that much compared to the usual security concern because they are an Israeli airline company... It's not like there's never been an attempt on El Al and real sudden like they need new security measures.
Quote from: viper37 on May 07, 2012, 04:19:59 PM
really, it's one and the same in this case. Unless there are Christian airline companies from Israel? ;)
There isn't a "Jewish" airline company from Israel, any more than British Airways is a "Christian" airline company, right?
QuoteAnd yeah, it was silly charging for their President. Then again, it would be equally silly to make exceptions.
And it's still silly to overcharge for medical equipment while other companies don't. The increase in cost to watch over an oxygen bottle because they are an Israeli company can't be that much compared to the usual security concern because they are an Israeli airline company... It's not like there's never been an attempt on El Al and real sudden like they need new security measures.
:hmm:
I take it you aren't familiar with the Israeli ... preoccupation ... with security?
Quote from: Malthus on May 07, 2012, 04:58:22 PM
:hmm:
I take it you aren't familiar with the Israeli ... preoccupation ... with security?
I am. But they are already proccupied with security. It's not like a tank of oxygen is the only thing I can carry to blow up a plane. So obviously, they already have security measures in place wich can cover the costs of checking an oxygen tank. They probably have anti-bomb compartments on board the plane for such things. The costs are already amortized over the regular cost of transportation, so why an extra for one medical unit?
Quote from: Malthus on May 07, 2012, 04:58:22 PM
There isn't a "Jewish" airline company from Israel, any more than British Airways is a "Christian" airline company, right?
El Al in principle offers only kosher in-flight meals and does not fly passengers on the Jewish Sabbath or religious holidays[...]
The acquisition was funded by the government of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Israel), the Jewish Agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Agency_for_Israel), and other Jewish organizations.It's run by Jewish people who happens to be Israeli. It adheres to Jewish religious standards. It was founded by Jewish organizations. British Airways does fly passengers on Cristmas, on Sundays and other religious holydays. It was not founded by Christian organizations. Hence, it's not a Christian airline company.
And it happens there's a common stereotype about Jews and money. You tell me you never heard of it, I won't believe you ;)
This particular stereotype is why the headline made me smile :)
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on May 07, 2012, 10:12:07 AM
Shimon Peres and Lauren Bacall are first cousins, not many people know that :hmm:
Me three.
Quote from: viper37 on May 07, 2012, 09:12:24 PM
Quote from: Malthus on May 07, 2012, 04:58:22 PM
There isn't a "Jewish" airline company from Israel, any more than British Airways is a "Christian" airline company, right?
El Al in principle offers only kosher in-flight meals and does not fly passengers on the Jewish Sabbath or religious holidays
[...]
The acquisition was funded by the government of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Israel), the Jewish Agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Agency_for_Israel), and other Jewish organizations.
It's run by Jewish people who happens to be Israeli. It adheres to Jewish religious standards. It was founded by Jewish organizations. British Airways does fly passengers on Cristmas, on Sundays and other religious holydays. It was not founded by Christian organizations. Hence, it's not a Christian airline company.
And it happens there's a common stereotype about Jews and money. You tell me you never heard of it, I won't believe you ;)
This particular stereotype is why the headline made me smile :)
It doesn't make the airline "Jewish" any more than the fact that British Airways is the national carrier for a country whose monarch is the head of the Church of England makes it "Christian".
The joke is not particularly funny, because the Israeli stereotype is different from the non-Israeli Jewish stereotype (except among the ignorant). Israelis are known as abrasive militaristic nutters, not as grasping and acquisitive. Think Siegy as an extreme example. :P
I've flown El Al once. Their stewardess were to die for. Food was barely edible though.
That was your Yi moment of the day. Carry on :p
Quote from: Malthus on May 08, 2012, 08:58:44 AM
It doesn't make the airline "Jewish" any more than the fact that British Airways is the national carrier for a country whose monarch is the head of the Church of England makes it "Christian".
as I said, British Airways still carries passengers on Sundays.
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The joke is not particularly funny, because the Israeli stereotype is different from the non-Israeli Jewish stereotype (except among the ignorant).
The joke seemed funny to a few.
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Israelis are known as abrasive militaristic nutters, not as grasping and acquisitive. Think Siegy as an extreme example. :P
Siegy is the perfect example of the Israeli colonist willing to fight their own people if they feel they have to. I'm surprised he hasn't joined some militia group in the Southern US.
Not all Israelis are colonists though.
Quote from: viper37 on May 08, 2012, 01:27:14 PM
The joke seemed funny to a few.
Yeah, those unable to tell the difference between Israelis and Jews. ;)
QuoteSiegy is the perfect example of the Israeli colonist willing to fight their own people if they feel they have to. I'm surprised he hasn't joined some militia group in the Southern US.
Not all Israelis are colonists though.
No, but the stereotype of the "Israeli" is that they are insanely combative and abrasive (and probably know how to kill from army service). Basically, that they are all hard-asses, and often jerks about it.
From TV Tropes:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BadassIsraeli
QuoteSchillinger: "I thought Jews were supposed to be tough."
Robson: "Nah, that's just the Israelis."
— Oz
"They're not the 'Oh, let me help you with your taxes' Jews. They're the 'Can you hold my machine gun while I take a leak' Jews. It's a different culture."
—Jon Stewart
This is in sharp contrast to the stereotype of the "Jew" who is more an intellectual, 90 pound weakling nebbish at best, and a penny-pinching bag of greed at worst. :P
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AllJewsAreCheapskates
Quote from: Malthus on May 08, 2012, 01:39:08 PM
Yeah, those unable to tell the difference between Israelis and Jews. ;)
A majority of Israelis are Jews, and Israel doesn't really hide that fact it's the State for all Jewish people.
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No, but the stereotype of the "Israeli" is that they are insanely combative and abrasive (and probably know how to kill from army service). Basically, that they are all hard-asses, and often jerks about it.
Never heard that. Heard that one should think twice before attacking Israel, but that doesn't reflect on the civil society.
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This is in sharp contrast to the stereotype of the "Jew" who is more an intellectual, 90 pound weakling nebbish at best, and a penny-pinching bag of greed at worst. :P
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AllJewsAreCheapskates
hmm:
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(especially since Jews Love to Argue)
There is no doubt possible, you are Jewish! :P