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Title: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: jimmy olsen on May 05, 2012, 12:01:58 PM
Instead of the USS Nimitz being thrown through time to Pearl Harbor in 1941 the time storm sends the Bismark to the battle of Jutland. How much damage could the Bismark do to the Royal Navy? Assume the time storm doesn't return to send it back to the future.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 05, 2012, 12:04:31 PM
Biplanes killed the fucker in WW2, they would in WW1.

End of theory.  Retarded thread closed.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Neil on May 05, 2012, 12:10:46 PM
Locking a thread about dreadnoughts?  Your ass must be crazy.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: jimmy olsen on May 05, 2012, 12:12:39 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 05, 2012, 12:10:46 PM
Locking a thread about dreadnoughts?  Your ass must be crazy.

:hug:

Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 05, 2012, 12:04:31 PM
Biplanes killed the fucker in WW2, they would in WW1.

End of theory.  Retarded thread closed.
The Royal Navy didn't have any torpedo bombers in 1916.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Neil on May 05, 2012, 12:12:45 PM
I'll have an opinion tonight when I get home.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Barrister on May 05, 2012, 01:29:07 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 05, 2012, 12:10:46 PM
Locking a thread about dreadnoughts?  Your ass must be crazy.

:lol:
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: crazy canuck on May 05, 2012, 03:02:18 PM
Mod Fight!
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: starbright on May 05, 2012, 03:09:52 PM
Rehashing countless internet boards:

Not enough to make a real difference. Going with the battleships it is still outnumbered. Going with the battlecruisers would be more fruitful, but does not change the outcome.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on May 05, 2012, 03:36:34 PM
for some reason I was thinking timmy meant to send the Iron Chancellor through time....
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: PDH on May 05, 2012, 03:38:10 PM
The thread needs pictures of nearly naked women.

Or pancakes.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Admiral Yi on May 05, 2012, 03:40:23 PM
Surely the Bismarck had greater speed and range than any ship present?  Bismarck stays just out of range and picks off the British fleet one by one.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Ed Anger on May 05, 2012, 03:50:06 PM
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Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: grumbler on May 05, 2012, 04:37:19 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 05, 2012, 03:40:23 PM
Surely the Bismarck had greater speed and range than any ship present?  Bismarck stays just out of range and picks off the British fleet one by one.
Plus radar and spotter planes.  And shells that were significantly better than those available in 1916.

I don't see the Brits laying a glove on Bismarck.  The only issue is ammo supply.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Tonitrus on May 05, 2012, 06:20:47 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 05, 2012, 04:37:19 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 05, 2012, 03:40:23 PM
Surely the Bismarck had greater speed and range than any ship present?  Bismarck stays just out of range and picks off the British fleet one by one.
Plus radar and spotter planes.  And shells that were significantly better than those available in 1916.

I don't see the Brits laying a glove on Bismarck.  The only issue is ammo supply.

That'd be the same problem with the Nimitz...sure the F-14s could splash Zero's at will, but when they run out of missiles and ammo, they're just glorified recon planes.

Though it would probably be quite simple for 1941 U.S.A. to replicate the cannon ammo on the F-14s, the missiles would take a bit more work.

That, and the disparity with this analogy....the U.S.A. won anyway, Nimitz or no.   :P
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: grumbler on May 05, 2012, 07:04:37 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on May 05, 2012, 06:20:47 PM
That'd be the same problem with the Nimitz...sure the F-14s could splash Zero's at will, but when they run out of missiles and ammo, they're just glorified recon planes.

Though it would probably be quite simple for 1941 U.S.A. to replicate the cannon ammo on the F-14s, the missiles would take a bit more work.

That, and the disparity with this analogy....the U.S.A. won anyway, Nimitz or no.   :P

The Nimitz air group would run out of jet fuel before running out of 20mm (that's what the phalaxes used as well, and the carrier had an essentially infinite supply).

The Bismarck, though, has a finite number of 15" shells - around 200 salvos' worth.  Once that's gone, she is done.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: jimmy olsen on May 05, 2012, 07:15:41 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 05, 2012, 07:04:37 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on May 05, 2012, 06:20:47 PM
That'd be the same problem with the Nimitz...sure the F-14s could splash Zero's at will, but when they run out of missiles and ammo, they're just glorified recon planes.

Though it would probably be quite simple for 1941 U.S.A. to replicate the cannon ammo on the F-14s, the missiles would take a bit more work.

That, and the disparity with this analogy....the U.S.A. won anyway, Nimitz or no.   :P

The Nimitz air group would run out of jet fuel before running out of 20mm (that's what the phalaxes used as well, and the carrier had an essentially infinite supply).

The Bismarck, though, has a finite number of 15" shells - around 200 salvos' worth.  Once that's gone, she is done.
The Germany of 1916 is unable to copy and recreate her shells? What is so special about them?
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: grumbler on May 05, 2012, 07:17:51 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 05, 2012, 07:15:41 PM
The Germany of 1916 is unable to copy and recreate her shells? What is so special about them?

The Battle of Jutland would be looooong over by the time the Germany of 1916 reverse-engineered some shells for the Bismarck!  :lol:
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: jimmy olsen on May 05, 2012, 07:20:18 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 05, 2012, 07:17:51 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 05, 2012, 07:15:41 PM
The Germany of 1916 is unable to copy and recreate her shells? What is so special about them?

The Battle of Jutland would be looooong over by the time the Germany of 1916 reverse-engineered some shells for the Bismarck!  :lol:
Well, yes that's true. But surely the Bismark would return to Germany with the rest of the fleet before running out of ammunition.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: PDH on May 05, 2012, 07:53:12 PM
Why the fuck is this, or any other, what if, important?  The answer is simple - it isn't.  Tim is a retard.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: jimmy olsen on May 05, 2012, 08:00:01 PM
Quote from: PDH on May 05, 2012, 07:53:12 PM
Why the fuck is this, or any other, what if, important? 
Why does it have to be important? It's fun to talk about, that's all that matters. Most things that are fun are not that important.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on May 05, 2012, 08:20:40 PM
The Nazi crew of the Bismark sink the boat rather than go back to the crypto Jew-loving aristos in charge of Great War Germany.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: jimmy olsen on May 05, 2012, 08:29:26 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on May 05, 2012, 08:20:40 PM
The Nazi crew of the Bismark sink the boat rather than go back to the crypto Jew-loving aristos in charge of Great War Germany.
I may be mistaken, but I was under the impression that the navy was the least indoctrinated of the services.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Tonitrus on May 05, 2012, 09:49:07 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 05, 2012, 08:29:26 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on May 05, 2012, 08:20:40 PM
The Nazi crew of the Bismark sink the boat rather than go back to the crypto Jew-loving aristos in charge of Great War Germany.
I may be mistaken, but I was under the impression that the navy was the least indoctrinated of the services.

Yeah, Lütjens seemed like the type who'd be happy to ensure Imperial Germany stuck it out, rather than descend into Nazism.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Viking on May 05, 2012, 09:53:32 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on May 05, 2012, 09:49:07 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 05, 2012, 08:29:26 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on May 05, 2012, 08:20:40 PM
The Nazi crew of the Bismark sink the boat rather than go back to the crypto Jew-loving aristos in charge of Great War Germany.
I may be mistaken, but I was under the impression that the navy was the least indoctrinated of the services.

Yeah, Lütjens seemed like the type who'd be happy to ensure Imperial Germany stuck it out, rather than descend into Nazism.

I can't help but think that a man in the super weapon of the future showing up with a history book telling you that this WWI thing is a really really bad idea and everybody in power benefits from not actually fighting this out since it will only result in commies and nazis.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Tonitrus on May 05, 2012, 09:57:28 PM
Another thing about the Final Countdown, is the film never went as far as to find out what the WWII-era peeps would think about a future-weapon showing up in their time.  What would the German fleet's response be to a big, unknown battleship with a swastika on it?

Sure, they might communicate in German on the radio (if that would work), but would you believe they're from the future, or blow it up in case it's some British trick?
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: DGuller on May 05, 2012, 09:58:36 PM
What if Imperial Germany had hundreds of ICBMs in 1914?  Would WWI turn out differently?
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Viking on May 05, 2012, 10:18:20 PM
Quote from: DGuller on May 05, 2012, 09:58:36 PM
What if Imperial Germany had hundreds of ICBMs in 1914?  Would WWI turn out differently?

that depends, do they have rocket fuel, wmd warheads and proper guidance systems?
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Barrister on May 05, 2012, 10:22:59 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on May 05, 2012, 09:57:28 PM
Another thing about the Final Countdown, is the film never went as far as to find out what the WWII-era peeps would think about a future-weapon showing up in their time.  What would the German fleet's response be to a big, unknown battleship with a swastika on it?

Sure, they might communicate in German on the radio (if that would work), but would you believe they're from the future, or blow it up in case it's some British trick?

That's why I feel afraid to even speculate on this.  Did the German Navy of 1916 have radios?  Would Bismarck even be able to communicate?

I'm not a naval warfare geek like some here.  But I would think that the Nimitz in 1941, with radar and suveillance flights, would be a far, far bigher "game changer" than the Bismarck would have been.  Not because of firepwoer, but because of battlefield intelligence.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: jimmy olsen on May 05, 2012, 10:37:09 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 05, 2012, 10:22:59 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on May 05, 2012, 09:57:28 PM
Another thing about the Final Countdown, is the film never went as far as to find out what the WWII-era peeps would think about a future-weapon showing up in their time.  What would the German fleet's response be to a big, unknown battleship with a swastika on it?

Sure, they might communicate in German on the radio (if that would work), but would you believe they're from the future, or blow it up in case it's some British trick?

That's why I feel afraid to even speculate on this.  Did the German Navy of 1916 have radios?  Would Bismarck even be able to communicate?

I'm not a naval warfare geek like some here.  But I would think that the Nimitz in 1941, with radar and suveillance flights, would be a far, far bigher "game changer" than the Bismarck would have been.  Not because of firepwoer, but because of battlefield intelligence.
They did have radio.

The Bismark had radar and spotter planes.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: DontSayBanana on May 05, 2012, 10:46:42 PM
Quote from: DGuller on May 05, 2012, 09:58:36 PM
What if Imperial Germany had hundreds of ICBMs in 1914?  Would WWI turn out differently?

Given the lack of solid-state electronics or radar sensors in 1914, they wouldn't be able to do much with ICBMs. :contract:
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Tonitrus on May 05, 2012, 10:46:59 PM
But would radio matter?

"Hi, we are fellow Germans from the future...except in our time, Germany is run by these Nazi guys led by a Charlie Chaplin impersonator, how about we help you blow away the stupid brits with our super battleship and keep the Kaiser in charge?"
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Viking on May 05, 2012, 10:47:05 PM
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Imperial Ensign

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3rd Reich Ensign

I think there would be some confusion but mainly wondering what ship that was and why was it firing at the british. The ensigns would have been well out of sight and the only british ships that the bismark could have identified by profile would have been the four Queen Elizabeth class BBs.

The Bismark would not have know where it was and what the time was, so no knowledge of the historical battle could really have been used to figure out who was who apart from the QEs. The Bismark did not have the german naval codes so they would have to send on a open frequency and radio messages would probably just have been disregarded. From what I know about jutland they still used flag signalling for coordination on both sides. The Bismark almost certainly did not know the german flag codes, though Lutjens was a torpedo boat commander during WWI so he might remember the codes of 20 years earlier.

Wiki doesn't give Bismark a fire control radar, but rather a search radar.

Jutland basically consists of the british outmaneuvering the germans again and again only to have the germans fire be much more accurate and devastating. Adding a BB 50% bigger than the QEs with much better fire control and situation awareness which tries to kill the british ships it can identify will do damage, but I suspect the Imperial German response to seeing a fucking huge ship will be to assume it is british and to run back to Kiel.

It should be pretty obvious that the Bismark could not possibly communicate with the Hochseeflotte.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 05, 2012, 11:21:24 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 05, 2012, 07:04:37 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on May 05, 2012, 06:20:47 PM
That'd be the same problem with the Nimitz...sure the F-14s could splash Zero's at will, but when they run out of missiles and ammo, they're just glorified recon planes.

Though it would probably be quite simple for 1941 U.S.A. to replicate the cannon ammo on the F-14s, the missiles would take a bit more work.

That, and the disparity with this analogy....the U.S.A. won anyway, Nimitz or no.   :P

The Nimitz air group would run out of jet fuel before running out of 20mm (that's what the phalaxes used as well, and the carrier had an essentially infinite supply).

The Bismarck, though, has a finite number of 15" shells - around 200 salvos' worth.  Once that's gone, she is done.

Ah, my friend...but were the 1st generation of Phalanx CIWS guns deployed in time onto the Nimitz for the December 1980 timeframe for The Final Countdown?

:hmm: :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:

Looks like I have a good reason to watch it tonight.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Viking on May 05, 2012, 11:31:35 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 05, 2012, 07:04:37 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on May 05, 2012, 06:20:47 PM
That'd be the same problem with the Nimitz...sure the F-14s could splash Zero's at will, but when they run out of missiles and ammo, they're just glorified recon planes.

Though it would probably be quite simple for 1941 U.S.A. to replicate the cannon ammo on the F-14s, the missiles would take a bit more work.

That, and the disparity with this analogy....the U.S.A. won anyway, Nimitz or no.   :P

The Nimitz air group would run out of jet fuel before running out of 20mm (that's what the phalaxes used as well, and the carrier had an essentially infinite supply).

The Bismarck, though, has a finite number of 15" shells - around 200 salvos' worth.  Once that's gone, she is done.

1941 USA could make kerosene and 1915 Germany could make 15" shells, in fact both were producing each, respectively, at the time.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: jimmy olsen on May 06, 2012, 02:01:05 AM
Quote from: ZanzaThe ship's name was Bismarck, not Bismark. Pretend that it was named for the capital of North Dakota, in case you need a local reference. But I am sure you are one of those people that write Adolph instead of Adolf for no particular reason too.
Not letting you get away with deleting that.

Adolph just looks better.  :sleep:

Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: The Brain on May 06, 2012, 03:07:18 AM
As an anime ship with anime crew the Bismarck would be fired on vigorously by both sides until sunk.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Tonitrus on May 06, 2012, 03:10:54 AM
Quote from: The Brain on May 06, 2012, 03:07:18 AM
As an anime ship with anime crew the Bismarck would be fired on vigorously by both sides until sunk.

[timmah] What if the Yamato from Star Blazers came back in time to the Battle of Leyte Gulf!  :w00t: [/timmah]
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: jimmy olsen on May 06, 2012, 05:06:01 AM
Quote from: Viking on May 05, 2012, 10:47:05 PM


I think there would be some confusion but mainly wondering what ship that was and why was it firing at the british. The ensigns would have been well out of sight and the only british ships that the bismark could have identified by profile would have been the four Queen Elizabeth class BBs.

The Bismark would not have know where it was and what the time was, so no knowledge of the historical battle could really have been used to figure out who was who apart from the QEs. The Bismark did not have the german naval codes so they would have to send on a open frequency and radio messages would probably just have been disregarded. From what I know about jutland they still used flag signalling for coordination on both sides. The Bismark almost certainly did not know the german flag codes, though Lutjens was a torpedo boat commander during WWI so he might remember the codes of 20 years earlier.

Wiki doesn't give Bismark a fire control radar, but rather a search radar.

Jutland basically consists of the british outmaneuvering the germans again and again only to have the germans fire be much more accurate and devastating. Adding a BB 50% bigger than the QEs with much better fire control and situation awareness which tries to kill the british ships it can identify will do damage, but I suspect the Imperial German response to seeing a fucking huge ship will be to assume it is british and to run back to Kiel.

It should be pretty obvious that the Bismark could not possibly communicate with the Hochseeflotte.
If it sinks a few British battleships that'll be enough to make it a clear cut German victory wouldn't it? British losses in tonnage were nearly twice as much as Germany's already.

After that, if it hasn't got in contact with the HSF, what does it do? Flee to the Neatherlands and get in touch with the German embassy to explain what's going on?
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Tonitrus on May 06, 2012, 05:23:45 AM
Also, what will Young Lutjens make of all this.   :P
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Tonitrus on May 06, 2012, 05:27:36 AM
Also, this argument is moot anyway...as we all know from the film, the time storm has a 100% record of sending the ship back to its proper time just before the climatic battle begins.  So...

- Jutland occurs as normal.
- Bismark is still growing barnacles under the Atlantic.
- Martin Sheen still plays the President in the "The West Wing".
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: jimmy olsen on May 06, 2012, 05:56:21 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on May 06, 2012, 05:27:36 AM
Also, this argument is moot anyway...as we all know from the film, the time storm has a 100% record of sending the ship back to its proper time just before the climatic battle begins.  So...

I specified this would not happen in the opening post. :contract:
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on May 06, 2012, 06:58:30 AM
Quote from: Tonitrus on May 05, 2012, 09:57:28 PM
Another thing about the Final Countdown, is the film never went as far as to find out what the WWII-era peeps would think about a future-weapon showing up in their time.  What would the German fleet's response be to a big, unknown battleship with a swastika on it?

Sure, they might communicate in German on the radio (if that would work), but would you believe they're from the future, or blow it up in case it's some British trick?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_Time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_Time)
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Neil on May 06, 2012, 08:26:33 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on May 06, 2012, 05:06:01 AM
If it sinks a few British battleships that'll be enough to make it a clear cut German victory wouldn't it? British losses in tonnage were nearly twice as much as Germany's already.
See, it doesn't really matter how many ships Bismarck sinks unless she sinks a large portion of the RN battlefleet, which is somewhat unlikely.  They only had ammunition for about 100 salvos, and once that's gone, it's gone.  Even if you can rig up 15" shells from the Badens, the barrels are going to wear out, and those are irreplaceable.  Fuel oil is also going to be an issue.

If the battle ends and  the British retain a numerical superiority over the Germans, the British still win.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Ed Anger on May 06, 2012, 08:27:55 AM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on May 06, 2012, 06:58:30 AM


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_Time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_Time)

:yuk:
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Neil on May 06, 2012, 08:43:44 AM
Quote from: Viking on May 05, 2012, 10:47:05 PM
I think there would be some confusion but mainly wondering what ship that was and why was it firing at the british. The ensigns would have been well out of sight and the only british ships that the bismark could have identified by profile would have been the four Queen Elizabeth class BBs.
British ships have a very distinctive profile though.
QuoteThe Bismark did not have the german naval codes so they would have to send on a open frequency and radio messages would probably just have been disregarded. From what I know about jutland they still used flag signalling for coordination on both sides. The Bismark almost certainly did not know the german flag codes, though Lutjens was a torpedo boat commander during WWI so he might remember the codes of 20 years earlier.
Also, Captain Lindemann was a signals officer on a battleship during the war.
QuoteWiki doesn't give Bismark a fire control radar, but rather a search radar.
Bismarck's radar was usable as a tool to help with ranging, but it wasn't really useful for fire control in the usual sense of the word.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Monoriu on May 06, 2012, 10:02:24 AM
The Bismark should avoid the Jutland battle, steam to the nearest German port, the commanders race to Berlin, and tell the Kaiser how WWI turned out. 
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: lustindarkness on May 06, 2012, 10:17:58 AM
I would prefer to think: What if the Bismark shows up during the American Civil War and sides with the south?











ACW hijacking, ha!
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: The Brain on May 06, 2012, 10:22:18 AM
Sorry, the Bismarck has no experience with dino cavalry.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on May 06, 2012, 10:55:29 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on May 06, 2012, 10:17:58 AM
I would prefer to think: What if the Bismark shows up during the American Civil War and sides with the south?











ACW hijacking, ha!
Better yet sides with the Persians at the Battle of Salamis.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: grumbler on May 06, 2012, 12:07:28 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on May 06, 2012, 10:55:29 AM
Better yet sides with the Persians at the Battle of Salamis.

Unless Ancient Greece is considered part of "the West," I don't think it would make a difference.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Razgovory on May 06, 2012, 02:03:51 PM
Okay, I'll risk the massive loss of respect from you guys and wade into this Nerd off.  When exactly is the ship going back?  In the middle of the battle of Jutland?  A couple of days before?  What?  Also, wouldn't the knowledge of the written history of the battle be even more valuable?  The Germans would know what the order of battle would be, how it was deployed, and some of the capabilities of the ships.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on May 06, 2012, 02:18:47 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 06, 2012, 12:07:28 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on May 06, 2012, 10:55:29 AM
Better yet sides with the Persians at the Battle of Salamis.

Unless Ancient Greece is considered part of "the West," I don't think it would make a difference.
What if the Bismark had appeared in the Rhine and sided with the Germanics against Rome?
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Ed Anger on May 06, 2012, 02:32:47 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on May 06, 2012, 02:18:47 PM
Quote from: grumbler on May 06, 2012, 12:07:28 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on May 06, 2012, 10:55:29 AM
Better yet sides with the Persians at the Battle of Salamis.

Unless Ancient Greece is considered part of "the West," I don't think it would make a difference.
What if the Bismark had appeared in the Rhine and sided with the Germanics against Rome?

What if the Bismarck traveled to the future, and Lutjens punches Tim in the nuts?
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 06, 2012, 03:06:10 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 06, 2012, 02:03:51 PM
Okay, I'll risk the massive loss of respect from you guys and wade into this Nerd off.  When exactly is the ship going back?  In the middle of the battle of Jutland?  A couple of days before?  What? 

lol, you're right:  Timmay's little premise didn't say the Bismarck would show up 2 days before the Battle of Jutland, landing off the coast of Madagascar.  :lol:
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on May 06, 2012, 03:18:09 PM
So imagine the effect on history if the Bismark had been taken by the Ethiopians and used to repel the Italian invasion.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 06, 2012, 03:23:17 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on May 06, 2012, 03:18:09 PM
So imagine the effect on history if the Bismark had been taken by the Ethiopians and used to repel the Italian invasion.

Kinda tough to mount a battleship onto a camel, man.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Fireblade on May 06, 2012, 03:32:57 PM
WHAT IF AN ENTIRE FLEET OF INCAN TORPEDO BOATS ARMED WITH 15" GUNS AND NUCLEAR TIPPED SSBMS ARRIVE DURING THE PUNIC WARS AND SIDE WITH CARTHAGE  :w00t: :w00t: :w00t: :w00t: :w00t: :w00t: :w00t:
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on May 06, 2012, 03:57:23 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 06, 2012, 03:23:17 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on May 06, 2012, 03:18:09 PM
So imagine the effect on history if the Bismark had been taken by the Ethiopians and used to repel the Italian invasion.

Kinda tough to mount a battleship onto a camel, man.
Not one camel, but legions. 
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Neil on May 06, 2012, 04:12:04 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 06, 2012, 03:23:17 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on May 06, 2012, 03:18:09 PM
So imagine the effect on history if the Bismark had been taken by the Ethiopians and used to repel the Italian invasion.
Kinda tough to mount a battleship onto a camel, man.
Yeah, but it is possible to use them to break the fragile Italian supply lines, before it gets bombed and torpedoed.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: jimmy olsen on May 06, 2012, 10:53:43 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 06, 2012, 03:06:10 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 06, 2012, 02:03:51 PM
Okay, I'll risk the massive loss of respect from you guys and wade into this Nerd off.  When exactly is the ship going back?  In the middle of the battle of Jutland?  A couple of days before?  What? 

lol, you're right:  Timmay's little premise didn't say the Bismarck would show up 2 days before the Battle of Jutland, landing off the coast of Madagascar.  :lol:
It arrives here.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 06, 2012, 10:55:49 PM
You're a walking twat.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: CountDeMoney on May 06, 2012, 11:00:19 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on May 06, 2012, 10:59:07 PM
Time Storm law...Bismark has to appear in the same location that it passed through.  :blurgh:

OH SNAP WONDER TWIN POWERS ACTIVATE VORTEX COMMERCE CLAUSE
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Habsburg on May 06, 2012, 11:19:33 PM
There is a fucking C in Bismarck.  Danke.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: jimmy olsen on May 06, 2012, 11:31:27 PM
Quote from: Neil on May 05, 2012, 12:12:45 PM
I'll have an opinion tonight when I get home.
You never did give your opinion.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Tonitrus on May 06, 2012, 11:39:54 PM
Quote from: Habsburg on May 06, 2012, 11:19:33 PM
There is a fucking C in Bismarck.  Danke.

Munich...München
Germany...Deutschland
Bismark...Bismarck

Damn krauts are too inconsistant.  :mad:
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Viking on May 06, 2012, 11:43:39 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on May 06, 2012, 11:39:54 PM
Quote from: Habsburg on May 06, 2012, 11:19:33 PM
There is a fucking C in Bismarck.  Danke.

Munich...München
Germany...Deutschland
Bismark...Bismarck

Damn krauts are too inconsistant.  :mad:

Wroclaw... Breslau
Szczecin... Stettin
Gdansk... Danzig
Kaliningrad... Königsberg
Poznan... Posen

etc. Yeah, real consistent them krauts.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Habsburg on May 06, 2012, 11:47:13 PM
Quote from: Viking on May 06, 2012, 11:43:39 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on May 06, 2012, 11:39:54 PM
Quote from: Habsburg on May 06, 2012, 11:19:33 PM
There is a fucking C in Bismarck.  Danke.

Munich...München
Germany...Deutschland
Bismark...Bismarck

Damn krauts are too inconsistant.  :mad:

Wroclaw... Breslau
Szczecin... Stettin
Gdansk... Danzig
Kaliningrad... Königsberg
Poznan... Posen

xxxxxxx.

This is correct.

BOMBAY, CALCUTTA, MADRAS, SALISBURY as well.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: 11B4V on May 07, 2012, 04:51:08 AM
 :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding:

                                  :blink:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyggY_R3jU8
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: jimmy olsen on May 07, 2012, 11:01:47 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 07, 2012, 04:51:08 AM

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:lol: WTF
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Viking on May 08, 2012, 03:08:07 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 07, 2012, 04:51:08 AM
:bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding:

                                  :blink:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyggY_R3jU8

You brought out Joey Tempest, you bastard. I was hoping for the sake of humanity that we could finish this thread without Europe.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Syt on June 24, 2012, 07:54:17 AM
Hey Tim, related sibject matter in the unlikely case you're not aware of this yet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipang_%28anime%29
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: CountDeMoney on June 24, 2012, 09:29:53 AM
Syt, you fuck, why the fuck did you bump this thread?  And with an animetard link, no less.  :mad:
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: jimmy olsen on June 24, 2012, 09:36:09 AM
Quote from: Syt on June 24, 2012, 07:54:17 AM
Hey Tim, related sibject matter in the unlikely case you're not aware of this yet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipang_%28anime%29
Yeah, I've heard good things about this one, though I haven't seen it yet.
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: dps on June 24, 2012, 10:03:53 AM
Quote from: Habsburg on May 06, 2012, 11:47:13 PM

BOMBAY, CALCUTTA, MADRAS, SALISBURY as well.

The krauts spell all of those B-i-s-m-a-r-c-k?  That's odd.


:D
Title: Re: Bismark: The Final Countdown
Post by: Syt on June 24, 2012, 10:04:58 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 24, 2012, 09:29:53 AM
Syt, you fuck, why the fuck did you bump this thread?  And with an animetard link, no less.  :mad:

:hide: