http://youtu.be/rT5z_OMaQhg (http://youtu.be/rT5z_OMaQhg)
Not an official video of course, since the title of the song is "Niggas in Paris".
"Et si certains sont plus riches que vous, vous etes plus nombreux qu'eux!"
Indeed.
DAT SHIT CRAY, ain't it Jay?
DON'T LET HOLLANDE INTO HIS ZONE
DON'T LET HOLLANDE INTO HIS ZONE
DON'T LET HOLLANDE INTO HIS ZONE
HE'S DEFINITELY IN HIS ZONE
:lol:
All FH voters have the same glasses. :huh:
So.. is Hollande going to win or not? Because I'm tired of seeing Sarkozy all over the US news sites going "France must deport all the foreigners". Fuck you Sarko, they should start by sending your short ass back to Hungary. We'll see if Bruni decides to go to the swamps and eat beets with you or she starts tricking on Hollande like the whore classy Italian woman she is.
Vive PS and Vive Hollande :frog:
Were I French, I'd probably vote for Mélenchon. But his relevance apparently limited, I'm ready for FH. C'est maintenant !
It is probably time for PS to take back the reigns.
Whatever happened to that Besancenot guy? I remember him being the last serious left candidate...
Definitely love this FH line too : "Neuilly-sur-Seine n'est pas Neuilly-sur-Marne."
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 11, 2012, 12:27:00 AM
Whatever happened to that Besancenot guy? I remember him being the last serious left candidate...
The New Anti-Capitalist Party he led is part of the Front de Gauche for this election. Front Populaire!:weep: :wub:
QuoteWere I French, I'd probably vote for Mélenchon. But his relevance apparently limited, I'm ready for FH. C'est maintenant !
Same. First round for FdG, second round PS.
So what's the deal with what I am hearing, that my main man, Sarko, is saying shit about reinstituting borders and whatnot?
What about FirebladeMarineLePen?
Quote from: Tamas on April 11, 2012, 04:03:24 AM
So what's the deal with what I am hearing, that my main man, Sarko, is saying shit about reinstituting borders and whatnot?
He's threatened to pull out of Schengen if it's not changed. Alain Juppe, who I think is running his campaign, has also started talking about 'a Europe of borders...a Europe that protects'. To deal with the 'profoundly new world we live in' we need a 'new Europe'. He's also said that it's not bad to 'bank the table now and then'. It looks very much like Sarko wants France back in the driving seat. The jokes about him being Merkel's lapdog haven't helped (I'd love to see his ego confront one of those jokes).
I still can't believe anyone thought Merkel coming to campaign for him might be a good idea :blink:
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 11, 2012, 04:12:09 AM
I still can't believe anyone thought Merkel coming to campaign for him might be a good idea :blink:
Yeah. Frankly I can't think of a bigger no-no when it comes to international non-interference (save from I guess sending in the army to influence elections or assassinating candidates). I mean, people get all up in arms when a foreign ambassador as much as shows his preference for one party over another - here we have a foreign head of the government actively campaigning for a candidate. Ugh.
Broken voice for FH a.k.a Flanby (caramel pudding a nick given at the PS no less), a running gag for this campaign :)
Besancenot a serious candidate? :lmfao: Trotsko babyface postman from Neuilly sur Seine? No more nuclear power within 10 years?
Serious for bobos, I guess.
Neuilly-sur-Marne is not exactly like CREIL-LES ULIS-CLICHY SOUS BOIS - AUBERVILLIERS - AULNAY SOUS BOIS. :secret:
François Hollande président Inch'Allah! Jawohl und laïcité über alles in der Welt of course. :lol:
This video is not for the Province, at least rural areas and small towns unless Flanby thinks he has too many votes.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 11, 2012, 03:58:32 AM
The New Anti-Capitalist Party he led is part of the Front de Gauche for this election. Front Populaire!:weep: :wub:
Same. First round for FdG, second round PS.
Nope. The candidate for this Trotskyte faction is Philippe Poutou, an actual factory worker in a Ford factory in the SW of France.
There's another Trostkyte faction as well with Nathalie Arnaud. No Schivardi i.e third Trotskyte candidate for the elections this time :( His South French accent coupled with his anti-European stance was hilarious.
So instead of showing off France's leadership by pushing meaningful reforms forward (fiscal union), he decides to try and destroy EU in a bid to appear strong?
He sounds like a Magyar.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on April 11, 2012, 04:23:52 AM
Nope. The candidate for this Trotskyte faction is Philippe Poutou, an actual factory worker in a Ford factory in the SW of France.
There's another Trostkyte faction as well with Nathalie Arnaud. No Schivardi i.e third Trotskyte candidate for the elections this time :( His South French accent coupled with his anti-European stance was hilarious.
Okay, is Besancenot backing FG?
Whatever happened to Arlette the Starlet and Lutte Ouvriere?
QuoteSo instead of showing off France's leadership by pushing meaningful reforms forward (fiscal union), he decides to try and destroy EU in a bid to appear strong?
The British press have suggested that basically more protectionist measure (in trade and immigration) is the price Sarko wants from Merkel in exchange for greater fiscal union. This is why Marty should stop hoping Britain leaves the EU, we're the biggest liberal country in there.
Sheilbh's knowledge in stuff which should be obscure foreign politics to him, is disturbing.
A strong, independent and vigorously engaged France is good for Europe and the world. The rest of the Euroweenies should take note.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 11, 2012, 05:33:13 AM
The British press have suggested that basically more protectionist measure (in trade and immigration) is the price Sarko wants from Merkel in exchange for greater fiscal union. This is why Marty should stop hoping Britain leaves the EU, we're the biggest liberal country in there.
one of the reasons why france must be dismantled. It's bad for europe and its inhabitants.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 11, 2012, 05:33:13 AM
Okay, is Besancenot backing FG?
Nope, he's backing Philippe Poutou, his successor to the NPA,
le Nouveau Parti anti-capitaliste (stop laughing). Or
Nulle part ailleurs for irony ;).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Poutou (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Poutou)
He's between 0,5 to 1% in pre-election polls
Quote
Whatever happened to Arlette the Starlet and Lutte Ouvriere?
Their candidate is Nathalie Arthaud
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathalie_Arthaud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathalie_Arthaud)
She's between 0,5 to 1% in pre-election polls.
However, some people at LO and the NPA (leaders there) have advocated support for Mélenchon.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on April 11, 2012, 12:27:00 AM
Whatever happened to that Besancenot guy? I remember him being the last serious left candidate...
He wasn't that serious. Most of the time he was just mailing it in.
Quote from: Tamas on April 11, 2012, 04:24:25 AM
So instead of showing off France's leadership by pushing meaningful reforms forward (fiscal union), he decides to try and destroy EU in a bid to appear strong?
He sounds like a Magyar.
He's clearly trying to destroy the successor to the Habsburg empire. Like a Magyar AND a Frenchman.
I still love me some Sarko.
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on April 11, 2012, 06:51:30 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 11, 2012, 05:33:13 AM
The British press have suggested that basically more protectionist measure (in trade and immigration) is the price Sarko wants from Merkel in exchange for greater fiscal union. This is why Marty should stop hoping Britain leaves the EU, we're the biggest liberal country in there.
one of the reasons why france must be dismantled. It's bad for europe and its inhabitants.
:lmfao:
Quote from: derspiess on April 11, 2012, 01:08:43 PM
I still love me some Sarko.
He's politically muscular, moderate (to an American eye), and excellent in a crisis. What's not to love? He's also kind of an asshole and a showboater, which is to say he seems a bit American. It's no wonder.
Quote from: fahdiz on April 11, 2012, 02:35:44 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 11, 2012, 01:08:43 PM
I still love me some Sarko.
He's politically muscular, moderate (to an American eye), and excellent in a crisis. What's not to love? He's also kind of an asshole and a showboater, which is to say he seems a bit American. It's no wonder.
Also I bet Obama can beat him in a game of hoops.
I heard Obama's lost his jump shot!
Quote from: fahdiz on April 11, 2012, 04:57:49 PM
I heard Obama's lost his jump shot!
Doesn't matter. I bet Sarko's wife can beat him at a game of hoops.
FT Brussels Blog has the details on potential Franco-German changes to Schengen:
QuoteNew borders inside Europe? A Franco-German push
April 20, 2012 11:27 am by Peter Spiegel
The issue of the European Union's passport-free travel zone has become a political hot potato again, thanks in part to Nicolas Sarkozy, who has warned during his presidential re-election campaign that France would withdraw from the border agreement unless more safeguards are adopted.
With just days before voting in the first round of the French election, Sarkozy's government is pushing the issue back onto the EU agenda, this time with German assistance.
In a joint letter sent to the Danish presidency, Claude Gueant, the French interior minister, and Hans-Peter Friedrich, his German counterpart, are calling for countries to be granted the right to re-impose border controls unilaterally for 30 days if national authorities believe other countries – particularly on the EU's southern and eastern frontiers – aren't securing their borders.
A leaked copy of the letter Brussels Blog got its hands on (in French) can be read here. A look at the proposal (in English) after the jump...
The European Commission, the EU's executive branch, has already tried to deal with this issue, proposing a much narrower right for national authorities to re-impose border controls under the so-called Schengen system: national governments could do it for five days, but that period can't be extended without approval from Brussels. Perhaps not surprisingly, the Commission proposal gives the Commission a strong role in deciding whether the controls should be lifted.
The new Franco-German proposal essentially writes the Commission out of the process. It says the Commission would have a role "in the field of early detection" and "coordination of measures to support" national efforts. But other than that, the power to re-impose borders would be left to individual countries and, after 30 days, the European Council of national governments – not the technocratic Commission – would get to decide whether the border controls should be extended:
Quote if the operation of the Schengen area is compromised, the other member states must have, ultimately, the possibility of reintroduce checks at internal borders for a period not exceeding 30 days. After these 30 days, the Commission would recommend to the Council whether to continue or discontinue the internal border controls. The decision itself would be up to the Council, as would the task of coordinating measures to be taken in such an exceptional situation.
The letter asks the Danes to bring up this new "mechanism" at the next meeting of EU interior ministers at the justice and home affairs council next week, which would fall in between round one and two of the French presidential elections. But Danish officials have indicated they don't want to do it, and are likely to wait for the subsequent meeting in June.
The target of these new controls isn't mentioned specifically, but it seems pretty clear that Paris and Berlin are talking about Greece, which has become the entry point of choice for immigrants from the Middle East and north Africa, thanks to its porous border with Turkey. Accusations have been flying for months that Greece is not living up to its Schengen responsibilities, and Frontex, the EU border control agency, has had to send reinforcements to back up Greek border guards. On the very first of the three pages, the Franco-German letter makes pretty clear they're talking about Greece:
QuoteMember states situated in southern and eastern borders of the EU have already made significant efforts to fight illegal immigration and protect the external borders against current threats.... Standards to protect our external borders are now in effect harmonized, but we only have a few options at our disposal to react when those standards are not complied with. We need a mechanism of assistance to ensure the implementation of common standards. We also need a mechanism for compensation if a member state, in spite of the aid it was given, is unable to perform its obligations to protect the EU's external borders.
This seems like a policy mainly designed to help Sarko win re-election :mellow:
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 20, 2012, 10:46:16 AM
This seems like a policy mainly designed to help Sarko win re-election :mellow:
Possibly, but it's still the right thing to do IMO.
From Le Monde:
28,4 % François Hollande
25,5 % Nicolas Sarkozy
20 % Marine Le Pen
11,7 % Jean-Luc Mélenchon
8,5 % François Bayrou
80.3% turnout
Interesting. Seems to indicate a bigger right wing support than was initially expected. Though maybe not all of that translates into Sarkozy support it will make for an interesting second round.
Quote from: Zanza on April 22, 2012, 01:05:14 PM
From Le Monde:
28,4 % François Hollande
25,5 % Nicolas Sarkozy
20 % Marine Le Pen
11,7 % Jean-Luc Mélenchon
8,5 % François Bayrou
80.3% turnout
Amazing turnout. Grats for keeping democracy real.
Allons enfants de la patrie :frog:
Quote from: Cecil on April 22, 2012, 01:25:32 PM
Interesting. Seems to indicate a bigger right wing support than was initially expected. Though maybe not all of that translates into Sarkozy support it will make for an interesting second round.
I'd imagine both Melanchon and Bayrou's supporters will switch to Hollande.
Quote from: derspiess on April 20, 2012, 12:15:26 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 20, 2012, 10:46:16 AM
This seems like a policy mainly designed to help Sarko win re-election :mellow:
Possibly, but it's still the right thing to do IMO.
Not really. Fortunately, shits like you don't have a say in European politics.
Historic new successes for FN under its amiable new leadership :)
FN's inroads may pay greater dividends in the future after Hollande wins the election and France's problems worsen.
Quote from: Lettow77 on April 22, 2012, 03:38:36 PM
Historic new successes for FN under its amiable new leadership :)
FN's inroads may pay greater dividends in the future after Hollande wins the election and France's problems worsen.
I imagine Mélenchon will also benefit from deteriorating conditions.
Quote from: Lettow77 on April 22, 2012, 03:38:36 PM
Historic new successes for FN under its amiable new leadership :)
FN's inroads may pay greater dividends in the future after Hollande wins the election and France's problems worsen.
Your father is an alcoholic and he hates you. You have no future. Please kill yourself.
If Marty hadn't put me on ignore he'd know that Lettow's dad is dead as is his mother.
Martinus has a future. AIDS.
Quote from: Martinus on April 22, 2012, 03:26:56 PM
Quote from: Cecil on April 22, 2012, 01:25:32 PM
Interesting. Seems to indicate a bigger right wing support than was initially expected. Though maybe not all of that translates into Sarkozy support it will make for an interesting second round.
I'd imagine both Melanchon and Bayrou's supporters will switch to Hollande.
Mélenchon, yes. Bayrou, I wouldn't count so much on it. A third of them at most perhaps.
Quote from: Zanza on April 22, 2012, 01:05:14 PM
From Le Monde:
28,4 % François Hollande
25,5 % Nicolas Sarkozy
20 % Marine Le Pen
11,7 % Jean-Luc Mélenchon
8,5 % François Bayrou
80.3% turnout
:face: Mélenchon !
Sad for Bayrou, though.
Cheminade will be waiting for the shuttle to Mars for a long time too :)
Melenchon :weep:
Edit: Just saw clip of Jack Lang interview :w00t: :wub:
QuoteFrom Le Monde:
28,4 % François Hollande
25,5 % Nicolas Sarkozy
20 % Marine Le Pen
11,7 % Jean-Luc Mélenchon
8,5 % François Bayrou
Wow. That's a lot more antisemitic Mooselimb haters than I would've thought would come out. That can only help NS in two weeks.
Quote
80.3% turnout
Now see, people: this is why France fucking rocks. Look at that turnout. That's a nation that takes its democracy seriously, compared to the bullshit numbers we get here.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 22, 2012, 09:35:53 PM
Now see, people: this is why France fucking rocks. Look at that turnout. That's a nation that takes its democracy seriously, compared to the bullshit numbers we get here.
They take it seriously now because the last time they hadn't, it ended up Chirac vs. Le Pen on the second turn. They learned their lesson.
Quote from: Drakken on April 22, 2012, 10:15:48 PM
They take it seriously now because the last time they hadn't, it ended up Chirac vs. Le Pen on the second turn. They learned their lesson.
Even then first round turnout was over 70%.
Quote from: Drakken on April 22, 2012, 10:15:48 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 22, 2012, 09:35:53 PM
Now see, people: this is why France fucking rocks. Look at that turnout. That's a nation that takes its democracy seriously, compared to the bullshit numbers we get here.
They take it seriously now because the last time they hadn't, it ended up Chirac vs. Le Pen on the second turn. They learned their lesson.
Well, one would've thought we learned our lesson in 2000. And then 2004 happened. :(
QuoteFrom Reuters:
Far-rightist Marine Le Pen threw France's presidential race wide open on Sunday by scoring nearly 20 percent in the first round - votes that may determine the runoff between Socialist favourite Francois Hollande and conservative President Nicolas Sarkozy.
Hollande led Sarkozy by about 29 to 26 percent in reliable computer projections broadcast after polling stations closed, and the two will meet in a head-to-head decider on May 6.
But Le Pen's record score of 18-20 percent was the sensation of the night, beating her father's 2002 result and outpolling hard leftist Jean-Luc Melenchon, in fourth place on 11 percent. Centrist Francois Bayrou finished fifth on less than 10 percent.
Le Pen, who took over the anti-immigration National Front in early 2011, wants jobs reserved for French nationals at a time when jobless claims are at a 12-year high. She also advocates abandoning the euro currency and restoring monetary policy to Paris.
Her score reflected a surge in anti-establishment populist parties in many euro zone countries from Amsterdam to Athens as austerity and the debt crisis bite.
Voter surveys show about half of her supporters would back Sarkozy in a second round and perhaps one fifth would vote for Hollande, making her a potential kingmaker in the runoff.
Jean-Marie Le Pen's 16.9 percent score in the 2002 first round caused a political earthquake, knocking then Socialist Prime Minister Lionel Jospin out of the runoff and forcing left-wing voters to rally behind conservative Jacques Chirac.
Sarkozy, 57, has painted himself as the safest pair of hands to lead France and the euro zone in turbulent times, but Sunday's vote appeared to be a strong rejection of his flashy style as well as his economic record.
If Hollande wins on May 6, joining a small minority of left-wing governments in Europe, he has promised to lead a push for a bigger focus on growth in the euro zone, mainly by adding pro-growth clauses to a European budget discipline treaty.
The prospect of a renegotiation of the pact is causing some concern in financial markets, as is Hollande's focus on tax rises over austerity at a time when sluggish growth is threatening France's ability to meet deficit-cutting goals.
Exit polls give François Hollande as the winner.
Official results will be known in half an hour.
Quote from: Drakken on April 22, 2012, 10:15:48 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 22, 2012, 09:35:53 PM
Now see, people: this is why France fucking rocks. Look at that turnout. That's a nation that takes its democracy seriously, compared to the bullshit numbers we get here.
They take it seriously now because the last time they hadn't, it ended up Chirac vs. Le Pen on the second turn. They learned their lesson.
wasn't there a difference between how they count participation over there and here in North America?
EDIT: Got it.
In France, it's based on the number of registered voters only, while in the US it's based on the total potential voters (everyone aged 18+).
A voté !
Looks like Sarko will have to go back home to live with his gypsy cousins. :(
Official now for those who still doubted :
Around 52-48 for Hollande
I'm pleased, I think the Germans may be overcooking austerity in the Eurozone, Hollande may be able to change that.
(he will probably fuck up, but lets give the chap a chance)
Well, France sucks again :(
So what will come from a Hollande victory?
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on May 06, 2012, 01:28:26 PM
I'm pleased, I think the Germans may be overcooking austerity in the Eurozone, Hollande may be able to change that.
(he will probably fuck up, but lets give the chap a chance)
Hopefully we'll get Hollanti.
VIVE LA FRANCE! :wub: :frog:
More worryingly the mainstream parties in Greece are, according to exit polls, getting just over 30%. The rest of the vote's being split between Communists (and Greek Communists are old school), other far-left parties, neo-Nazis and independents. It seems unlikely that they'll have a coherent, credible majority government.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on May 06, 2012, 01:28:26 PM
I'm pleased, I think the Germans may be overcooking austerity in the Eurozone, Hollande may be able to change that.
I wouldn't bet on it if I were you but good luck :D
Quote
(he will probably fuck up, but lets give the chap a chance)
Now you're getting cynical :P
Quote from: derspiess on May 06, 2012, 01:28:52 PM
Well, France sucks again :(
Yup.
Major fuck-up for the Euroconomic and global outlook, NATO, and US foreign policy.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 06, 2012, 01:45:37 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 06, 2012, 01:28:52 PM
Well, France sucks again :(
Yup.
Major fuck-up for the Euroconomic and global outlook, NATO, and US foreign policy.
Holland and major? Does not compute :lol:
A voté!
It's morning in Europe.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 06, 2012, 01:45:37 PM
Quote from: derspiess on May 06, 2012, 01:28:52 PM
Well, France sucks again :(
Yup.
Major fuck-up for the Euroconomic and global outlook, NATO, and US foreign policy.
Maybe if you guys wrote letters to French voters, it would have worked out differently. :(
Oh and suck it Angela. I like to think that her "campaigning" hurt rather than helped Sarko's chances.
Quote from: Jacob on May 06, 2012, 01:29:45 PM
So what will come from a Hollande victory?
Morning in France again. :)
I don't know. The problems in Europe are much to big for their governments to fix.
In related news: The Greek election results are a hilarious clusterfuck of fail. New Democracy is first, with about 17%. :lol:
Well guys, the Euro was cool while it lasted.
Quote from: Fireblade on May 06, 2012, 03:16:30 PM
Well guys, the Euro was cool while it lasted.
So was France.
Then again, this must be how Brits and Euros felt after the 2000 election. :( YOURE GOING THE WRONG WAY
Quote from: Zoupa on May 06, 2012, 02:15:41 PM
A voté!
It's morning in Europe.
A Golden Dawn in Greece indeed
http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_06/05/2012_440848 (http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_06/05/2012_440848)
QuoteGreece's two main pro-austerity parties suffered major losses in elections Sunday, exit polls showed, throwing into doubt the eurozone country's commitment to meeting the tough terms of its two bailouts.
The conservative New Democracy led by Antonis Samaras was the largest party with 17-20 percent of the vote, insufficient to give it an absolute majority and down from 33.5 percent at the last election in 2009, the exit polls showed.
The left-wing Pasok saw its score slump to 14-17 percent from 43.9 percent. The party was even leapfrogged into second place by the leftist Syriza party, which scored 15.5-18.5 percent, up from 4.6 percent three years ago.
A neo-Nazi party, Golden Dawn, was also set to enter parliament for the first time in nearly 40 years, notching up 6-8 percent. The communist KKE scored 7.5-9.5 percent, compared to 7.5 percent in 2009, the exit polls showed.
Metaxas über alles!
The KKE Stalinists are still higher though.
I, personally, am hoping that Golden Dawn seizes power in Greece and invades Turkey to seize Constantinople. And then is promptly curb-stomped and skull-fucked by 500,000 Turks.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 06, 2012, 03:17:56 PM
Quote from: Fireblade on May 06, 2012, 03:16:30 PM
Well guys, the Euro was cool while it lasted.
So was France.
Then again, this must be how Brits and Euros felt after the 2000 election. :( YOURE GOING THE WRONG WAY
Give the man a chance. Bubba Clinton likes him.
Quote from: Fireblade on May 06, 2012, 03:23:50 PM
Golden Dawn
"I read about them in TIME magazine."(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flicksandbits.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F02%2Fdie-hard-rickman.jpg&hash=7e4f82b814a07501c2237ad5c3c53adf1c798760)
Quote from: Zoupa on May 06, 2012, 03:25:27 PM
Give the man a chance. Bubba Clinton likes him.
My fears--aside from the Euronomic fuck-up--is that France will downshift several gears when it comes to an aggressive foreign policy, e.g., NATO participation and coordination, Iran, WoT humint tracking and monitoring, France's strategic nuclear posture.
The French are an invaluable international asset in those regards. I will miss them.
Those fears will be as unfounded as the ones people had about Mitterrand.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 06, 2012, 03:30:41 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on May 06, 2012, 03:25:27 PM
Give the man a chance. Bubba Clinton likes him.
My fears--aside from the Euronomic fuck-up--is that France will downshift several gears when it comes to an aggressive foreign policy, e.g., NATO participation and coordination, Iran, WoT humint tracking and monitoring, France's strategic nuclear posture.
The French are an invaluable international asset in those regards. I will miss them.
The only open question for some was about France's return into NATO's integrated military command. Not even that is questioned despite being opposed back then.
http://www.francetv.fr/2012/hollande-entre-otan-et-europe-de-la-defense-104969 (http://www.francetv.fr/2012/hollande-entre-otan-et-europe-de-la-defense-104969)
QuoteAprès avoir confirmé que la France resterait dans le commandement intégré de l'OTAN s'il était élu, François Hollande, via son équipe de campagne, a annoncé vouloir rééquilibrer l'action de la France "en faveur de l'Europe de la défense".
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 06, 2012, 03:41:48 PM
Those fears will be as unfounded as the ones people had about Mitterrand.
I actually liked Mitterrand, who was more of a team player than things let on; it was Chirac I couldn't fucking tolerate.
The Yahoo News comments about this are wonderful to read. :lol:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 06, 2012, 03:30:41 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on May 06, 2012, 03:25:27 PM
Give the man a chance. Bubba Clinton likes him.
My fears--aside from the Euronomic fuck-up--is that France will downshift several gears when it comes to an aggressive foreign policy, e.g., NATO participation and coordination, Iran, WoT humint tracking and monitoring, France's strategic nuclear posture.
The French are an invaluable international asset in those regards. I will miss them.
You do know Sarkozy was selling Mistral class Amphib ships to the Rooskies, right?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 06, 2012, 04:18:43 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 06, 2012, 03:41:48 PM
Those fears will be as unfounded as the ones people had about Mitterrand.
I actually liked Mitterrand, who was more of a team player than things let on; it was Chirac I couldn't fucking tolerate.
Gaullists don't play well with others.
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 06, 2012, 04:58:38 PM
You do know Sarkozy was selling Mistral class Amphib ships to the Rooskies, right?
Yes, they would've looked lovely disembarking the horses in gas masks.
Support asteroids do not concern me, Admiral.
:lol:
Watching the footage of the President trying to get to the stage. A new dawn has broken, has it not? :weep: :wub:
As an aside the BBC and Sky News have been brilliant covering this tonight :)
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 06, 2012, 05:41:24 PM
As an aside the BBC and Sky News have been brilliant covering this tonight :)
That's just super. <_<
Good results. Le Pen's refusal to support Sarkozy was likely the difference between victory and defeat. I am happy with how this election has gone.
Now La Marseillaise is blaring out :wub: :mmm:
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 06, 2012, 03:19:50 PM
A Golden Dawn in Greece indeed
Most far-right parties try and aim for respectability. Not Golden Dawn. As if their symbol wasn't bad enough:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsup.kathimerini.gr%2Fkath%2Fengs%2Fimg%2FNEWS%2F2012%2F05%2Fxrysi_avgi_400.jpg&hash=5ddabaedf335ad5a25a838c4fa39c64b29842f33)
Their election slogan was 'so we can rid the land of filth'. In their post-election press conference they told journos to stand up when the leader entered, or leave.
Edit: Footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHY0tPTRadM&feature=youtu.be
Their leader at a previous party press conference:
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With the Greeks wanting to scrap their agreement and now this, I think Europe is going to get very interesting.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 06, 2012, 07:34:21 PM
With the Greeks wanting to scrap their agreement and now this, I think Europe is going to get very interesting.
We've got the Irish referendum on the fiscal pact and the collapse of the Dutch government to roll through yet.
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 06, 2012, 07:42:19 PM
We've got the Irish referendum on the fiscal pact and the collapse of the Dutch government to roll through yet.
Soon Italy will be a lone island of stability. :lol:
Northern Italy must secede from the rest of the country. It won't do to have paleo-neo-venezia sullied by union with the Sicilians and Sardinians :mad:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 06, 2012, 07:34:21 PM
With the Greeks wanting to scrap their agreement and now this, I think Europe is going to get very interesting.
Glad I don't live in Greece.
Hopefully, common ideology of the leaders will bind France and US closer together. :)
Unless Hollande proves himself exceptional, which I highly doubt, this looks good for Marine Le Pen at the next election. ^_^
G.
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 06, 2012, 05:58:26 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 06, 2012, 03:19:50 PM
A Golden Dawn in Greece indeed
Most far-right parties try and aim for respectability. Not Golden Dawn. As if their symbol wasn't bad enough:
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Their election slogan was 'so we can rid the land of filth'. In their post-election press conference they told journos to stand up when the leader entered, or leave.
Edit: Footage:
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Their leader at a previous party press conference:
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Nice play on the Swatsticker. :D
Quote from: Grallon on May 06, 2012, 09:19:07 PM
Unless Hollande proves himself exceptional, which I highly doubt, this looks good for Marine Le Pen at the next election. ^_^
G.
You can grin all you want, just know she would have you executed if she could.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 06, 2012, 03:30:41 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on May 06, 2012, 03:25:27 PM
Give the man a chance. Bubba Clinton likes him.
My fears--aside from the Euronomic fuck-up--is that France will downshift several gears when it comes to an aggressive foreign policy, e.g., NATO participation and coordination, Iran, WoT humint tracking and monitoring, France's strategic nuclear posture.
The French are an invaluable international asset in those regards. I will miss them.
Humint and nuke policy won't change, that's a given.
I don't know where Hollande stands on Iran and NATO, to tell you the truth. This election was very much centered on domestic policies, social and economic. Once we know who's the new Foreign Minister, that should give us a hint.
And by the way, I'm hearing Villepin rumors for the Quai d'Orsay... :lol:
Quote from: Zoupa on May 06, 2012, 11:07:09 PM
And by the way, I'm hearing Villepin rumors for the Quai d'Orsay... :lol:
Oh, dear Christ.
Ask Sheilbh, it's all about the hair, man.
You have to admit he's got a wonderful head of hair. Like Edwards, except manly.
The Economist called Sarky the next Thatcher (for France) they are calling Hollande dangerous.
I think that's what they call batting .000?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 06, 2012, 04:18:43 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 06, 2012, 03:41:48 PM
Those fears will be as unfounded as the ones people had about Mitterrand.
I actually liked Mitterrand, who was more of a team player than things let on; it was Chirac I couldn't fucking tolerate.
Why would Hollande be like Chirac and not Mitterand then? Chirac was the same party as Sarkozy.
These Greek neonazis seem like lovely people - for example many participated in volunteer units in the Balkan wars, including a number of war crimes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece)
I wonder why the Balkans/Greece are so fucked up.
I also hope Aleister Crowley sues them from beyond the grave for the name use.
Quote from: Martinus on May 07, 2012, 01:24:24 AM
These Greek neonazis seem like lovely people - for example many participated in volunteer units in the Balkan wars, including a number of war crimes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece)
I wonder why the Balkans/Greece are so fucked up.
My love, your link is broken. I'll make a new one for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece))
hurray for France.
Greece- worrying.
The name seems like it belongs in Oblivion. :lmfao: Golden Dawn.......ASS MONKIES
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:hmm:
Sooo, we will see an attempt to cover the EU structural problems in freshly printed euros, if this guy have his way. Or we just flat out collapse if the Germans deny him his make-believe money.
Quote from: Tamas on May 07, 2012, 03:35:23 AM
Sooo, we will see an attempt to cover the EU structural problems in freshly printed euros, if this guy have his way. Or we just flat out collapse if the Germans deny him his make-believe money.
As a Hungarian, you really have no moral authority to criticise the leaders elected by succesful countries. You are pretty much limited to shitting on Greece, sorry.
Btw, who did you vote for in the last Parliamentary elections in Hungary?
Quote from: Martinus on May 07, 2012, 03:49:18 AM
Quote from: Tamas on May 07, 2012, 03:35:23 AM
Sooo, we will see an attempt to cover the EU structural problems in freshly printed euros, if this guy have his way. Or we just flat out collapse if the Germans deny him his make-believe money.
As a Hungarian, you really have no moral authority to criticise the leaders elected by succesful countries. You are pretty much limited to shitting on Greece, sorry.
Btw, who did you vote for in the last Parliamentary elections in Hungary?
:lol:
The Liberal Experiment may still fail in Poland :hmm:
And I of course voted on the Libertarian economist PM candidate. He got 1% :weep:
Quote from: Martinus on May 07, 2012, 01:16:43 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 06, 2012, 04:18:43 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 06, 2012, 03:41:48 PM
Those fears will be as unfounded as the ones people had about Mitterrand.
I actually liked Mitterrand, who was more of a team player than things let on; it was Chirac I couldn't fucking tolerate.
Why would Hollande be like Chirac and not Mitterand then? Chirac was the same party as Sarkozy.
And Dubya was from the same party as his father and Ronald Reagan. Your point?
Way to go, fellas!
QuoteEuro, stock markets fall after votes in France and Greece
LONDON — Investors nervous about the changing political winds in Europe drove down the euro and sent stock markets falling across the region on Monday while pushing up borrowing costs in a number of heavily indebted nations.
French voters on Sunday elected a Socialist, Francois Hollande, while the Greeks gave new strength to parties opposed to the terms of its international bailout. In both nations, voters in effect challenged a German-led plan to use painful waves of austerity and government cuts as a cure for Europe's debt crisis.
The reaction on Monday — negative, though mutedly so — underscored the tough road ahead for Europe. On one hand, a number of economists and politicians including Hollande have argued that a single-minded focus on cuts has done more harm than good, driving a number of the region's economies into recession and sending unemployment soaring. They argue that fiscal restraint should now be paired with new policies also aimed at fueling growth.
But investors leery of over-spending and over-borrowing in Europe will be watching the economies every step of the way. If they veer too far off the track of austerity and are seen to ring up fresh budget deficits, they could be quickly punished through a run on bonds or a dumping of bank stocks that could trigger a new phase in the crisis.
Monday's early sell-off did not reach those levels, but it offered a reminder of the stakes. The euro fell against the dollar, briefly touching a four-month low at $1.295. The stock market in Athens, where politicians were still scrambling to form a new government in the aftermath of fragmented elections, was falling by more than 7 percent early Monday. Key indexes on the stock markets in Paris and Frankfurt were also dropping by more than 1 percent.
Borrowing costs for France, Greece, Spain and Italy all edged higher early Monday.
Citibank economists Guillaume Menuet and Jurgen Michels warned in a note on Monday that the situation in Greece seemed particularly precarious and that Athens was in danger of being forced out of the euro currency union — an event that could touch off a new round of global market turmoil.
"The Greek parliamentary elections delivered a fragmented result that highlighted growing public opposition to austerity, foreshadowing significant challenges ahead at forging the political consensus necessary to keep the country in the euro," they said in a statement. "Even considering the push for a growth agenda among European leaders, including newly elected French President Francois Hollande, we see significant potential for a new Greek government to miss the next round of targets and a rising risk of a Greek exit from the euro within the next 12 to 18 months."
Greece is fucked economically no matter what they do. IMO they need to do whatever they can to avoid a meltdown of civil authority.
I have been tellin you folks: we are re-living the 30s.
*sigh* I keep telling you people: Monastir Gap. Panzer divisions. When will you listen? :rolleyes:
Greece is the real worry. I think everyone expected an Hollande victory so that's been priced in. The drubbing the pro-bailout parties got in Greece was far more severe than anyone expected.
The pro-bailout parties are, by my count 3 MPs short of a majority. Samaras gets first shot at forming a coalition which will presumably include PASOK, but apparently neither SYRIZA, the Democratic Left or the Independent Greeks will join it - and obviously the Communists and neo-Nazis won't.
I think the Democratic Left are calling for a popular front government of them, SYRIZA, PASOK and the Commies which would have a majority of 2. But the Commies refuse to cooperate with anyone and PASOK are the party of the bailout so it's tough to see them forming a government with the left.
QuoteGreece is fucked economically no matter what they do. IMO they need to do whatever they can to avoid a meltdown of civil authority.
Yeah. As it is I think they have to leave :(
Quote from: Zoupa on May 06, 2012, 11:02:28 PM
You can grin all you want, just know she would have you executed if she could.
Nonsense - she understands, like I understand, the distinction between individual rights and collective rights. Sucking on cocks in a personal preference, an individual right - praying in the streets, ass in the air, facing Mecca is the expression of a collective right. One is perfectly legitimate - the other isn't. It's the partisans of multikulti and integration that can't seem to grasp the distinction.
G.
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 07, 2012, 06:50:48 AM
QuoteGreece is fucked economically no matter what they do. IMO they need to do whatever they can to avoid a meltdown of civil authority.
Yeah. As it is I think they have to leave :(
Honestly, all this talk about kicking out Greece just reminds me how hilarious all the xenophobic panic masked as debt concerns over Turkey was the last several years. You guys are so cute sometimes.
Quote from: Grallon on May 07, 2012, 06:54:17 AM
Nonsense - she understands, like I understand, the distinction between individual rights and collective rights. Sucking on cocks in a personal preference, an individual right - praying in the streets, ass in the air, facing Mecca is the expression of a collective right. One is perfectly legitimate - the other isn't. It's the partisans of multikulti and integration that can't seem to grasp the distinction.
lol, sucking on cocks is a personal preference, but ass in the air is a collective right?
Quote from: Neil on May 06, 2012, 03:05:22 PM
I don't know. The problems in Europe are much to big for their governments to fix.
Yeah, Hollande clinging to a very expensive social model in a Teutonic monetary union and a Chinese trading world dosen't bode well.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 07, 2012, 06:57:05 AM
lol, sucking on cocks is a personal preference, but ass in the air is a collective right?
It is when the beneficiaries are all members of a specific community when everybody else around them keep their god a private business...
G.
Grallon, nazis are just nazis, at the end of the day. You tolerating them just because their xenophobia would get rid of some very damaging cultural influence, is no different, for example, than Republicans tolerating Tea Party duchbaggery.
What are we talking about when people refer to Nazism? The Jews and death camps? Nobody can seriously pretend the FN advocates that sort of things.
What else? Their stance on immigration? It's about time we start discriminating against all the dross washing here form the 3rd World!
What else?
G.
Quote from: Grallon on May 07, 2012, 07:39:32 AM
What are we talking about when people refer to Nazism? The Jews and death camps? Nobody can seriously pretend the FN advocates that sort of things.
What else? Their stance on immigration? It's about time we start discriminating against all the dross washing here form the 3rd World!
What else?
G.
I mean hateful ignorant morons. Like it or not, for people like that, you would be first against the wall. For half of them, because they are closet gays. For the rest, because the other half tells them to hate and fear you.
It was time for the Socialists to win again. Of course things are so dramatically different in the world since the last time they held the Presidency I am not sure at all what they will do...
You know whatever. Haut les coeurs et vive la France.
Quote from: Tamas on May 07, 2012, 07:43:57 AM
I mean hateful ignorant morons. Like it or not, for people like that, you would be first against the wall. For half of them, because they are closet gays. For the rest, because the other half tells them to hate and fear you.
*shrug* We won't know if/until the FN ever forms the government won't we? Personally I'm very skeptical about this so called 'hidden agenda' they have. But then again - look at the Conservative party here - they *did* have a social conservative hidden agenda - we're seeing the results since they've gained their majority.
G.
Quote from: Grallon on May 07, 2012, 06:54:17 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on May 06, 2012, 11:02:28 PM
You can grin all you want, just know she would have you executed if she could.
Nonsense - she understands, like I understand, the distinction between individual rights and collective rights. Sucking on cocks in a personal preference, an individual right - praying in the streets, ass in the air, facing Mecca is the expression of a collective right. One is perfectly legitimate - the other isn't. It's the partisans of multikulti and integration that can't seem to grasp the distinction.
G.
So your point is that gay people should not be allowed to publicly make any reference to their sexuality or display affection for each other? Or have any rights that go beyond having sex "in the privacy of their own home"?
Quote from: Martinus on May 07, 2012, 08:50:47 AM
Quote from: Grallon on May 07, 2012, 06:54:17 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on May 06, 2012, 11:02:28 PM
You can grin all you want, just know she would have you executed if she could.
Nonsense - she understands, like I understand, the distinction between individual rights and collective rights. Sucking on cocks in a personal preference, an individual right - praying in the streets, ass in the air, facing Mecca is the expression of a collective right. One is perfectly legitimate - the other isn't. It's the partisans of multikulti and integration that can't seem to grasp the distinction.
G.
So your point is that gay people should not be allowed to publicly make any reference to their sexuality or display affection for each other? Or have any rights that go beyond having sex "in the privacy of their own home"?
:secret: Ass in the air is a collective right. We've gone over this already.
You worry about the hidden agenda of a mainstream Conservative Party, but not of an far-right nationalist party? :mellow:
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"These Colors Don't Run"
I would assume a mixture of shit, astroglide and mangoo would run.
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"These Colors Don't Run"
OK Gay people, What does the different color stripes mean and is the number of them significant?
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 07, 2012, 08:55:01 AM
You worry about the hidden agenda of a mainstream Conservative Party, but not of an far-right nationalist party? :mellow:
I simply don't believe the FN would start carting people to work/death camps. Restricting immigration - insisting on assimilation of those allowed to immigrate - but there's nothing hidden there - they've been saying it for years.
G.
Quote from: 11B4V on May 07, 2012, 09:15:47 AM
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"These Colors Don't Run"
OK Gay people, What does the different color stripes mean and is the number of them significant?
Uhm it's the rainbow. :huh:
The Rainbow has been a symbol of diversity for a long time it seems to me. It is only relatively recently it became a symbol mostly for gay people. I could be wrong about that, but when Jesse Jackson had his rainbow coalition thingy in the 80s and it was not just about gay people.
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"These Colors Don't Run"
OK Gay people, What does the different color stripes mean and is the number of them significant?
Uhm it's the rainbow. :huh:
OK, the US flag has stars for example. They signify something. Are you telling me y'all made a flag with six stripes and varying colors because it looked pretty? There's no significance to it?
Serious question.
Quote from: Grallon on May 07, 2012, 09:29:38 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on May 07, 2012, 08:55:01 AM
You worry about the hidden agenda of a mainstream Conservative Party, but not of an far-right nationalist party? :mellow:
I simply don't believe the FN would start carting people to work/death camps. Restricting immigration - insisting on assimilation of those allowed to immigrate - but there's nothing hidden there - they've been saying it for years.
G.
So anything short of "death camps" is the acceptable human rights record for you? :lol:
You are really a fucked up person.
Quote from: 11B4V on May 07, 2012, 09:39:37 AM
Quote from: Martinus on May 07, 2012, 09:33:00 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 07, 2012, 09:15:47 AM
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"These Colors Don't Run"
OK Gay people, What does the different color stripes mean and is the number of them significant?
Uhm it's the rainbow. :huh:
OK, the US flag has stars for example. They signify something. Are you telling me y'all made a flag with six stripes and varying colors because it looked pretty? There's no significance to it?
Serious question.
The rainbow signifies diversity. So individual colours are not significant in themselves (I mean, I guess there has been some retroactive interpretation of them, e.g. one symbolizes gay, another lesbian etc. but it is not the original idea), but the entire arrangement is.
It is celebrating that famous Gay-Rights icon, Roy G. Biv. The stupid gays misspelled his name though.
Quote from: Valmy on May 07, 2012, 09:37:37 AM
The Rainbow has been a symbol of diversity for a long time it seems to me. It is only relatively recently it became a symbol mostly for gay people. I could be wrong about that, but when Jesse Jackson had his rainbow coalition thingy in the 80s and it was not just about gay people.
Yeah. A rainbow flag has also been used by the international cooperative movement (in fact, I think 10 years ago or so the Polish cooperative movement still had a rainbow flag flying over its HQ in Warsaw, much to popular joy - especially as one of the most famous Warsaw gay clubs was located in the same building).
Quote from: Martinus on May 07, 2012, 09:42:47 AM
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"These Colors Don't Run"
OK Gay people, What does the different color stripes mean and is the number of them significant?
Uhm it's the rainbow. :huh:
OK, the US flag has stars for example. They signify something. Are you telling me y'all made a flag with six stripes and varying colors because it looked pretty? There's no significance to it?
Serious question.
The rainbow signifies diversity. So individual colours are not significant in themselves (I mean, I guess there has been some retroactive interpretation of them, e.g. one symbolizes gay, another lesbian etc. but it is not the original idea), but the entire arrangement is.
Thanks
Quote from: Grallon on May 07, 2012, 08:39:37 AM
Quote from: Tamas on May 07, 2012, 07:43:57 AM
I mean hateful ignorant morons. Like it or not, for people like that, you would be first against the wall. For half of them, because they are closet gays. For the rest, because the other half tells them to hate and fear you.
*shrug* We won't know if/until the FN ever forms the government won't we? Personally I'm very skeptical about this so called 'hidden agenda' they have. But then again - look at the Conservative party here - they *did* have a social conservative hidden agenda - we're seeing the results since they've gained their majority.
G.
Lots of Jews voted for the Nazi party. I don't think they liked the results.
According to wikipedia, there is apparently some hippie interpretation of the colours too :bleeding: :
hot pink: sexuality
red: life
orange: healing
yellow: sunlight
green: nature
turquoise: magic/art
indigo/blue: serenity/harmony
violet: spirit
Not sure what the hell that has to do with sucking cocks, but to each his own...
It's only a gay symbol in some places too. It's still commonly used by the Italian left (:wub:) as a peace symbol, and not just bby Nichi Vendola.
Reading the English Greek press has been interesting. One thing I hadn't realised was how big a problem illegal immigration is for Greece.
There's around 400 illegal immigrants arriving every day and all parties want to renegotiate the Dublin Agreement within the EU, probably made by countries like Germany and the UK, which allows countries to deport immigrants to the first country of entry - often Greece. It seems an okay policy for the big countries but surely it's an enormous financial and social burden on a country like Greece?
Again I think a bit more Euro-solidarity beyond the rhetoric could help.
Quote from: Tamas on May 07, 2012, 07:43:57 AM
Quote from: Grallon on May 07, 2012, 07:39:32 AM
What are we talking about when people refer to Nazism? The Jews and death camps? Nobody can seriously pretend the FN advocates that sort of things.
What else? Their stance on immigration? It's about time we start discriminating against all the dross washing here form the 3rd World!
What else?
G.
I mean hateful ignorant morons. Like it or not, for people like that, you would be first against the wall. For half of them, because they are closet gays. For the rest, because the other half tells them to hate and fear you.
Tamas, there's enough of them in the traditional parties to provide a decent amount of votes for the trados.
That Golden Dawn symbol keeps bugging me. In my peripheral vision it looks exactly like a swastika. Obviously they were trying to make it similar, but it's a freaky optical illusion.
Hollande's government nominated.
3 ministers, taken at random: :licklips:
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What are they ministers of?
Quote from: Jacob on May 17, 2012, 11:13:42 AM
What are they ministers of?
Spending lots of money, I'm guessing.
Quote from: derspiess on May 17, 2012, 11:15:36 AM
Quote from: Jacob on May 17, 2012, 11:13:42 AM
What are they ministers of?
Spending lots of money, I'm guessing.
So the French equivalent of the US Secretary of Defence, then?
I hope it is not the Ministry of Silly Walks with those fabulous yet impractical shoes she is wearing.
#1 Minister Haute Couture
The other two look like socialists.
All that ass isn't going to save the Euro.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 17, 2012, 12:42:30 PM
All that ass isn't going to save the Euro.
Thanks to QFC.com home delivery I'm stocking up on Pilot Crackers, Bottled Water, Raisins, Dried Apples, Peanut Butter, and Dog Food as I type.
Quote from: Jacob on May 17, 2012, 11:13:42 AM
What are they ministers of?
the 3rd one is Ministre de la Condition Fémine (Women's condition minister, sommink like that, don't feel like searching a proper translation).
2nd one is Ministre de la Culture et du Tourisme (Culture&tourism, I know, it was a tough one :P )
1st one is Ministre des PME, de l'Innovation et de l'Économie numérique (SMBs, Innovation and digital economy).
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My favourite: Manuel Valls, Interior minister, a.k.a le Sarko de gauche :)
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 17, 2012, 03:52:30 PM
My favourite: Manuel Valls, Interior minister, a.k.a le Sarko de gauche :)
Glad he got a job. I think Interior should suit him. Moscovici's a striking appointment too and I believe the Minister for Foreign Affairs and the Minister for European Affairs both campaigned for a 'no' on Lisbon which is, again, rather striking.
I still think all Socialist governments should appoint Lang as Minister for Culture. Gaullists should resurrect Malraux.
Quote from: Habsburg on May 17, 2012, 12:58:00 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 17, 2012, 12:42:30 PM
All that ass isn't going to save the Euro.
Thanks to QFC.com home delivery I'm stocking up on Pilot Crackers, Bottled Water, Raisins, Dried Apples, Peanut Butter, and Dog Food as I type.
I miss QFC. :(
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 17, 2012, 03:52:30 PM
My favourite: Manuel Valls, Interior minister, a.k.a le Sarko de gauche :)
does that mean he's more to the right than to the left? Or does that mean that he's anti seal hunting? Or that he's obnoxious, know nothing about the outside world and yet totally pretentious?
Quote from: viper37 on May 17, 2012, 05:49:10 PM
does that mean he's more to the right than to the left? Or does that mean that he's anti seal hunting? Or that he's obnoxious, know nothing about the outside world and yet totally pretentious?
He's on the right of the PS. Almost, whisper it, Blairite :mmm:
Also how can Sarko be pretentious? He was vulgar beyond belief.
Quote from: viper37 on May 17, 2012, 01:30:57 PM
1st one is Ministre des PME, de l'Innovation et de l'Économie numérique (SMBs, Innovation and digital economy).
wut?
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 17, 2012, 03:52:30 PM
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My favourite: Manuel Valls, Interior minister, a.k.a le Sarko de gauche :)
:mmm: :perv:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 17, 2012, 06:41:52 PM
Quote from: viper37 on May 17, 2012, 01:30:57 PM
1st one is Ministre des PME, de l'Innovation et de l'Économie numérique (SMBs, Innovation and digital economy).
wut?
Small&Medium businesses... The other ones, I'm ok...
Wait they have entire ministries...like full bureaucracies...devoted to these very specific things? Or does it work a little differently in Europe? I guess I think of massive government buildings with thousands of government workers devoted specifically to promoting small business and digital technology.
Quote from: Valmy on May 18, 2012, 12:41:47 PM
Wait they have entire ministries...like full bureaucracies...devoted to these very specific things? Or does it work a little differently in Europe? I guess I think of massive government buildings with thousands of government workers devoted specifically to promoting small business and digital technology.
No. Normally they're the equivalent of Assistant Secretaries of State. So that example is a Vice-Minister in charge of those things within the Ministry of Finance.
Yeah ok that makes sense, just because there is a Minister does not mean there is an entire Ministry behind him or her. So are they called 'Ministers' as a courtesy or something?
Quote from: Valmy on May 18, 2012, 12:50:01 PM
Yeah ok that makes sense, just because there is a Minister does not mean there is an entire Ministry behind him or her. So are they called 'Ministers' as a courtesy or something?
I think in France they're called Vice-Ministers, but probably Minister for short. In the UK they are Ministers of State, underneath Secretaries of State. And I think both countries are relatively happy to change the name and remits of Ministries, because I don't think they're creatures of statute like the US Departments.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 17, 2012, 03:52:30 PM
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My favourite: Manuel Valls, Interior minister, a.k.a le Sarko de gauche :)
The guy looks like a movie star. Between him and the fabulous shoes lady is Hollande setting up a ministry or finding cover models for a fashion mag?
He looks like a young Mel Gibson with a college education.
That guy kinda reminds me of former Austrian finance minister Karl-Heinz Grasser.
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He's attached to Fiona Swarovski and is faicng a number of corruption charges.
Or HC Strache.
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Heh, he said "Wiener Blut".
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 18, 2012, 01:36:55 PM
Heh, he said "Wiener Blut".
The ad says "More courage for our Viennese Blood. Too much strangeness isn't good for anyone." He won 27% in those elections.
Corporal Jones is needed:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303360504577412341713215970.html?mod=rss_whats_news_us_business (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303360504577412341713215970.html?mod=rss_whats_news_us_business)
:bowler:
Quote from: Syt on May 18, 2012, 02:10:46 PM
The ad says "More courage for our Viennese Blood. Too much strangeness isn't good for anyone." He won 27% in those elections.
Fucking Austrians. There's a reason they made the best Nazis.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 17, 2012, 03:52:30 PM
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My favourite: Manuel Valls, Interior minister, a.k.a le Sarko de gauche :)
Woof, he could minister to my interior. Or break my eggs to make an omelette, as it were. :ph34r:
A guy named Manuel Valls? I guess we have a 5th column in the French Government then... :ph34r:
Edit: Fuck, he was even born in Barcelona!
I rather like the look of the woman who isn't offically France's first lady:
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Quote from: mongers on May 18, 2012, 09:10:26 PM
I rather like the look of the woman who isn't offically France's first lady:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-may-7-2012/international-house-of-pander-cakes---greece---france-vote
What the fuck, are you fags seriously salivating over that dude? He looks like your average greaseball Eurotrash fuck with greasy hair, an iPhone filled with stupid ass techno, and a pocket full of roofies he just bought from Achmed the Algerian. :yuk:
Quote from: Fireblade on May 18, 2012, 11:03:52 PM
What the fuck, are you fags seriously salivating over that dude? He looks like your average greaseball Eurotrash fuck with greasy hair, an iPhone filled with stupid ass techno, and a pocket full of roofies he just bought from Achmed the Algerian. :yuk:
Agreed. I don't find him attractive at all.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 06, 2012, 03:30:41 PM
My fears--aside from the Euronomic fuck-up--is that France will downshift several gears when it comes to an aggressive foreign policy
There you go, mmkay?
France's Hollande Doesn't Rule Out Military Intervention In Syria
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120529-711349.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120529-711349.html)
QuotePARIS (Dow Jones)--French President Francois Hollande refused Tuesday to rule out military intervention in Syria under United Nations mandate to free the country from the regime of Bashar al-Assad.
"A military intervention is not to be ruled out under condition that it is led in the respect of international law, that is to say after a deliberation of the [U.N.] Security Council," Hollande said in an interview on France 2 state television.
Syria's international isolation deepened on Tuesday as several Western countries said they were expelling Syrian diplomats in a coordinated response to the killing of 108 civilians last week in a single attack.
The flurry of announcements from the U.S., U.K., Australia, Canada, France, Germany, and some other European countries came as Kofi Annan, the special envoy on Syria, met with Assad, in an effort to salvage a U.N.-backed peace plan that was shattered last Friday with the brutal assault on Houla.
Fuck. I was hoping I could trust the left to keep their fucking noses out of Syria.
Then again, the French left and right have always had pretty close policies when it comes to their old empire.
Quote from: Zoupa on May 29, 2012, 07:33:47 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on May 06, 2012, 03:30:41 PM
My fears--aside from the Euronomic fuck-up--is that France will downshift several gears when it comes to an aggressive foreign policy
There you go, mmkay?
Now that's what I'm talking about, Pierre. :frog: :frog: :frog:
Thing is, as Neil has intimated, would it be different if it weren't the Levant?
Sykes-Picot. We can't do it all, ya know. That's your job now. ;)