Yay for scaremongering!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204603004577269910906351598.html
QuoteThe last time I renewed my driver's license, the clerk at the DMV asked if she should check me off as an organ donor. I said no. She looked at me and asked again. I said, "No. Just check the box that says, 'I am a heartless, selfish bastard.'"
Becoming an organ donor seems like a win-win situation. Some 3.3 people on the transplant waiting list will have their lives extended by your gift (3.3 is the average yield of solid organs per donor). You're a hero, and at no real cost, apparently.
But what are you giving up when you check the donor box on your license? Your organs, of course—but much more. You're also giving up your right to informed consent. Doctors don't have to tell you or your relatives what they will do to your body during an organ harvest operation because you'll be dead, with no legal rights.
The most likely donors are victims of head trauma (from, say, a car or motorcycle accident), spontaneous bleeding in the head, or an aneurysm—patients who can be ruled dead based on brain-death criteria. But brain deaths are estimated to be just around 1% of the total. Everyone else dies from failure of the heart, circulation and breathing, which leads the organs to deteriorate quickly.
The current criteria on brain death were set by a Harvard Medical School committee in 1968, at a time when organ transplantation was making great strides. In 1981, the Uniform Determination of Death Act made brain death a legal form of death in all 50 states.
The exam for brain death is simple. A doctor splashes ice water in your ears (to look for shivering in the eyes), pokes your eyes with a cotton swab and checks for any gag reflex, among other rudimentary tests. It takes less time than a standard eye exam. Finally, in what's called the apnea test, the ventilator is disconnected to see if you can breathe unassisted. If not, you are brain dead. (Some or all of the above tests are repeated hours later for confirmation.)
Here's the weird part. If you fail the apnea test, your respirator is reconnected. You will begin to breathe again, your heart pumping blood, keeping the organs fresh. Doctors like to say that, at this point, the "person" has departed the body. You will now be called a BHC, or beating-heart cadaver.
Still, you will have more in common biologically with a living person than with a person whose heart has stopped. Your vital organs will function, you'll maintain your body temperature, and your wounds will continue to heal. You can still get bedsores, have heart attacks and get fever from infections.
"I like my dead people cold, stiff, gray and not breathing," says Dr. Michael A. DeVita of the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. "The brain dead are warm, pink and breathing."
You might also be emitting brainwaves. Most people are surprised to learn that many people who are declared brain dead are never actually tested for higher-brain activity. The 1968 Harvard committee recommended that doctors use electroencephalography (EEG) to make sure the patient has flat brain waves. Today's tests concentrate on the stalk-like brain stem, in charge of basics such as breathing, sleeping and waking. The EEG would alert doctors if the cortex, the thinking part of your brain, is still active.
But various researchers decided that this test was unnecessary, so it was eliminated from the mandatory criteria in 1971. They reasoned that, if the brain stem is dead, the higher centers of the brain are also probably dead.
But in at least two studies before the 1981 Uniform Determination of Death Act, some "brain-dead" patients were found to be emitting brain waves. One, from the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke in the 1970s, found that out of 503 patients who met the usual criteria of brain death, 17 showed activity in an EEG.
Even some of the sharpest critics of the brain-death criteria argue that there is no possibility that donors will be in pain during the harvesting of their organs. One, Robert Truog, professor of medical ethics, anesthesia and pediatrics at Harvard Medical School, compared the topic of pain in an organ donor to an argument over "whether it is OK to kick a rock."
But BHCs—who don't receive anesthetics during an organ harvest operation—react to the scalpel like inadequately anesthetized live patients, exhibiting high blood pressure and sometimes soaring heart rates. Doctors say these are simply reflexes.
What if there is sound evidence that you are alive after being declared brain dead? In a 1999 article in the peer-reviewed journal Anesthesiology, Gail A. Van Norman, a professor of anesthesiology at the University of Washington, reported a case in which a 30-year-old patient with severe head trauma began breathing spontaneously after being declared brain dead. The physicians said that, because there was no chance of recovery, he could still be considered dead. The harvest proceeded over the objections of the anesthesiologist, who saw the donor move, and then react to the scalpel with hypertension.
Organ transplantation—from procurement of organs to transplant to the first year of postoperative care—is a $20 billion per year business. Average recipients are charged $750,000 for a transplant, and at an average 3.3 organs, that is more than $2 million per body. Neither donors nor their families can be paid for organs.
It is possible that not being a donor on your license can give you more bargaining power. If you leave instructions with your next of kin, they can perhaps negotiate a better deal. Instead of just the usual icewater-in-the-ears, why not ask for a blood-flow study to make sure your cortex is truly out of commission?
And how about some anesthetic? Although he doesn't believe the brain dead feel pain, Dr. Truog has used two light anesthetics, high-dose fentanyl and sufentanil, which won't harm organs, to quell high blood pressure or heart rate during harvesting operations. "If it were my family," he said, "I'd request them."
I also like how it glosses over why we don't let donors or families get paid for organs. :rolleyes:
Cause it violates the 13th amendment?
I said no last time I went to the DMV because I interpreted " Would you like to be an organ donor" as a threat.
It sounds like tempting fate to me.
I ticked the "no" box but ended up with my license saying I'm an organ donor anyway. /shrug
I'm an organ donor. WTF do I care?
That said, it'd be nice if I, you know, got paid for my potentially valuable service.
Quote from: Ideologue on March 09, 2012, 11:41:25 PM
I'm an organ donor. WTF do I care?
That said, it'd be nice if I, you know, got paid for my potentially valuable service.
Cause they will cut you open when you are alive.
Meh. If I'm so fucked up I'm on machines, odds are pretty good that even if there is some brain activity, it's not worth trying to maintain.
Quote from: Ideologue on March 10, 2012, 12:54:15 AM
Meh. If I'm so fucked up I'm on machines, odds are pretty good that even if there is some brain activity, it's not worth trying to maintain.
An argument can be made for the same at any point in your life.
Well, we'd be the experts on that, wouldn't we?
Giving away my organs to another person after I'm dead makes no sense. I mean, I will be dead. The world might just as well end for all I care. :huh:
Quote from: Ideologue on March 10, 2012, 12:54:15 AM
Meh. If I'm so fucked up I'm on machines, odds are pretty good that even if there is some brain activity, it's not worth trying to maintain.
Well, that is true for you even now so what's the difference?
Quote from: Ideologue on March 10, 2012, 12:54:15 AM
Meh. If I'm so fucked up I'm on machines, odds are pretty good that even if there is some brain activity, it's not worth trying to maintain.
Agreed. If my brain stem isn't functioning but I still have some waves coming out of my upper brain, who gives a fuck? I don't really want to come back with a dead brain stem.
I said on EUOT that it would be reasonable to get paid for your organs, but people were all "no, you can't do that" blah blah faggots.
Quote from: The Brain on March 10, 2012, 04:28:10 AM
I said on EUOT that it would be reasonable to get paid for your organs, but people were all "no, you can't do that" blah blah faggots.
I guess you thought Audrey Tautou did better in Dirty Pretty Things than Amelie? :rolleyes:
Quote from: garbon on March 10, 2012, 05:09:42 AM
Quote from: The Brain on March 10, 2012, 04:28:10 AM
I said on EUOT that it would be reasonable to get paid for your organs, but people were all "no, you can't do that" blah blah faggots.
I guess you thought Audrey Tautou did better in Dirty Pretty Things than Amelie? :rolleyes:
The who in the what now?
Quote from: Martinus on March 10, 2012, 04:14:21 AM
Giving away my organs to another person after I'm dead makes no sense. I mean, I will be dead. The world might just as well end for all I care. :huh:
Typical Pole. You people are all a bunch of nihilist-solipsists.
Quote from: Martinus on March 10, 2012, 04:14:21 AM
Giving away my organs to another person after I'm dead makes no sense. I mean, I will be dead. The world might just as well end for all I care. :huh:
Reckon you should give them away now.
Quote from: The Brain on March 10, 2012, 06:17:06 AM
Quote from: garbon on March 10, 2012, 05:09:42 AM
Quote from: The Brain on March 10, 2012, 04:28:10 AM
I said on EUOT that it would be reasonable to get paid for your organs, but people were all "no, you can't do that" blah blah faggots.
I guess you thought Audrey Tautou did better in Dirty Pretty Things than Amelie? :rolleyes:
The who in the what now?
Yeah, I have no idea where garbo is going with that. Maybe there's a part in Amelie where her kidneys are harvested? I don't remember it, but it has been a while since I've seen it.
Quote from: garbon on March 10, 2012, 04:26:07 AMIf my brain stem isn't functioning but I still have some waves coming out of my upper brain, who gives a fuck? I don't really want to come back with a dead brain stem.
Yeah what the fuck is with that? Is he really arguing that he'd rather live entombed in his own body or what?
Quote from: Ideologue on March 10, 2012, 12:29:43 PM
Quote from: The Brain on March 10, 2012, 06:17:06 AM
Quote from: garbon on March 10, 2012, 05:09:42 AM
Quote from: The Brain on March 10, 2012, 04:28:10 AM
I said on EUOT that it would be reasonable to get paid for your organs, but people were all "no, you can't do that" blah blah faggots.
I guess you thought Audrey Tautou did better in Dirty Pretty Things than Amelie? :rolleyes:
The who in the what now?
Yeah, I have no idea where garbo is going with that. Maybe there's a part in Amelie where her kidneys are harvested? I don't remember it, but it has been a while since I've seen it.
I once wanted to buy Amelie but they didn't have it at the store and I picked up Dirty Pretty Things. Unfortunately unlike a plucky romantic comedy, the latter has a significant part of its plot based on whether or not the poor should sell their organs to raise cash.
Quote from: Iormlund on March 10, 2012, 12:38:58 PM
Yeah what the fuck is with that? Is he really arguing that he'd rather live entombed in his own body or what?
Doesn't all of us live entombed in our own bodies? :(
I want to roam free. <_<
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on March 10, 2012, 02:45:36 PM
Quote from: Iormlund on March 10, 2012, 12:38:58 PM
Yeah what the fuck is with that? Is he really arguing that he'd rather live entombed in his own body or what?
Doesn't all of us live entombed in our own bodies? :(
Very. :(
Quote from: Martinus on March 10, 2012, 04:14:21 AM
Giving away my organs to another person after I'm dead makes no sense. I mean, I will be dead. The world might just as well end for all I care. :huh:
Encouraging a system where people donate their organs so that others may live could end up helping you, unless you're immune to disease.
I hope you die on a waiting list, you worthless piece of shit.
Waiting list? Are you a retard? The guy lives in Eastern Europe.
I'll donate all my organs if they will pay my wife the going rate for stolen Chinese black market people parts.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 12, 2012, 11:52:47 AM
I'll donate all my organs if they will pay my wife the going rate for stolen Chinese black market people parts.
that works until you're low on funds and the wife decides to off you for the organ money :P