http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/netanyahu-asked-panetta-to-approve-sale-of-bunker-busting-bombs-u-s-official-says-1.416900
QuoteTop administration source says Obama instructed Defense Secretary to work with Defense Minister Barak, to give all due consideration to the request for purchasing GBU-28 bombs, advanced refueling aircraft
Might as well make a lucrative contract on them with China as well before the jews do it.
"Defense Secretary"? No name? Is he a superhero or something?
I was thinking of creating one of these. Tamas beat me to it. :( I think we are getting close.
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Quote from: Razgovory on March 07, 2012, 08:42:40 AM
I was thinking of creating one of these. Tamas beat me to it. :( I think we are getting close.
You wasted an opportunity here.
So are we waiting for the Iran war Megathread or is this the Megathread for the Iran war?
I so wanted a "Countdown to the Iran Megawar thread."
Quote from: Viking on March 07, 2012, 09:25:57 AM
I so wanted a "Countdown to the Iran Megawar thread."
That'll be in the Back Room.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on March 07, 2012, 09:18:10 AM
So are we waiting for the Iran war Megathread or is this the Megathread for the Iran war?
This is the Megathread for this topic until the actual war starts. It will be necessary to divide them, as in a few days this thread will be full of civil war references, and Hansie-Raz political mudslinging.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 07, 2012, 09:27:45 AM
Quote from: Viking on March 07, 2012, 09:25:57 AM
I so wanted a "Countdown to the Iran Megawar thread."
That'll be in the Back Room.
I hate to agree with Raz
You Bastard!
It will be filled with pics of Iranian porn actresses.
BTW, I think Iran is now attempting to pull a North Korea, as right now they appear to be lenient and letting observers in. And the world might just let them do it - delay and bullshit until it is done and they become untouchable
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You know what is the problem with a plane like the B-2?
It is so awesome and amazing that you can't actually risk using it for a mission like this, which it would be freaking perfect for...
Can you imagine if one was lost over Iran?
Quote from: Berkut on March 07, 2012, 10:01:48 AM
Can you imagine if one was lost over Iran?
Iran's air defense radars would be so jammed in so many ways for a B2 sortie, they wouldn't even be able to use the coffee maker in the break room.
My murder boner: Growing
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 07, 2012, 10:03:09 AM
Quote from: Berkut on March 07, 2012, 10:01:48 AM
Can you imagine if one was lost over Iran?
Iran's air defense radars would be so jammed in so many ways for a B2 sortie, they wouldn't even be able to use the coffee maker in the break room.
Yeah, but what if one just fucking broke down and crashed. They do that at the most inopportune times.
Quote from: Berkut on March 07, 2012, 10:15:43 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 07, 2012, 10:03:09 AM
Quote from: Berkut on March 07, 2012, 10:01:48 AM
Can you imagine if one was lost over Iran?
Iran's air defense radars would be so jammed in so many ways for a B2 sortie, they wouldn't even be able to use the coffee maker in the break room.
Yeah, but what if one just fucking broke down and crashed. They do that at the most inopportune times.
True, but we survived the F-117 loss over Kosovo, what with all the embarrassing footage and parts getting overnighted to Moscow.
ZOMG IS THAT: BALSA?
I remember when the Serbs on soc.culture.Yugoslavia was telling each other how to build anti-F117 devices out of aluminum foil and electronic bits.
good times.
Quote from: Berkut on March 07, 2012, 10:15:43 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 07, 2012, 10:03:09 AM
Quote from: Berkut on March 07, 2012, 10:01:48 AM
Can you imagine if one was lost over Iran?
Iran's air defense radars would be so jammed in so many ways for a B2 sortie, they wouldn't even be able to use the coffee maker in the break room.
Yeah, but what if one just fucking broke down and crashed. They do that at the most inopportune times.
The Chinese likley already stole the plans through the many, many, backdoors and security holes in the military and defense contractors' computer networks.
Quote from: Berkut on March 07, 2012, 10:01:48 AM
You know what is the problem with a plane like the B-2?
It is so awesome and amazing that you can't actually risk using it for a mission like this, which it would be freaking perfect for...
Can you imagine if one was lost over Iran?
If there is serious risk that it could be lost it's not really so awesome amazing, is it? I wonder if we have something better yet.
Quote from: Razgovory on March 07, 2012, 12:13:48 PM
If there is serious risk that it could be lost it's not really so awesome amazing, is it? I wonder if we have something better yet.
We do. It's called the B-52.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 07, 2012, 12:50:29 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 07, 2012, 12:13:48 PM
If there is serious risk that it could be lost it's not really so awesome amazing, is it? I wonder if we have something better yet.
We do. It's called the B-52.
It's 26 times better. :w00t:
Quote from: DGuller on March 07, 2012, 05:46:00 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 07, 2012, 12:50:29 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 07, 2012, 12:13:48 PM
If there is serious risk that it could be lost it's not really so awesome amazing, is it? I wonder if we have something better yet.
We do. It's called the B-52.
It's 26 times better. :w00t:
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Quote from: Berkut on March 07, 2012, 10:01:48 AM
You know what is the problem with a plane like the B-2?
It is so awesome and amazing that you can't actually risk using it for a mission like this, which it would be freaking perfect for...
Can you imagine if one was lost over Iran?
That's the problem with having vast technological superiority. You can't even shoot someone in the head, because the bullet in the bad guy's brain can uncover five technological secrets when recovered and sent to Moscow and Beijing.
Quote from: DGuller on March 07, 2012, 05:50:21 PM
Quote from: Berkut on March 07, 2012, 10:01:48 AM
You know what is the problem with a plane like the B-2?
It is so awesome and amazing that you can't actually risk using it for a mission like this, which it would be freaking perfect for...
Can you imagine if one was lost over Iran?
That's the problem with having vast technological superiority. You can't even shoot someone in the head, because the bullet in the bad guy's brain can uncover five technological secrets when recovered and sent to Moscow and Beijing.
That's not really an issue though. Beijing already has technological parity thanks to their spies.
Yeah, I think they already know what these things are made of. I have a feeling that the reason they don't try to replicate the technology is that they aren't that impressed with it.
Quote from: Razgovory on March 07, 2012, 07:31:03 PM
Yeah, I think they already know what these things are made of. I have a feeling that the reason they don't try to replicate the technology is that they aren't that impressed with it.
Doubt it. I think they just don't have the technology to build whatever they reverse-engineered. For all the Chicoms' economic advancement, a lot of their weaponry is still in the stone age.
Quote from: derspiess on March 07, 2012, 07:57:36 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 07, 2012, 07:31:03 PM
Yeah, I think they already know what these things are made of. I have a feeling that the reason they don't try to replicate the technology is that they aren't that impressed with it.
Doubt it. I think they just don't have the technology to build whatever they reverse-engineered. For all the Chicoms' economic advancement, a lot of their weaponry is still in the stone age.
I don't know if our Allies have built anything that similar.
As speculations mount, one is worse than the other. Apart from mandatory optimism, nobody appears to be convinced at all that a Jewish (or even an American) air campaign could put an end to the Iranian nucular program. Most estimates count with a 3-4 years delay imposed at the price of a highly destabilized region and unpredictable consequences.
Not good.
Quote from: Tamas on March 09, 2012, 03:48:00 AM
As speculations mount, one is worse than the other. Apart from mandatory optimism, nobody appears to be convinced at all that a Jewish (or even an American) air campaign could put an end to the Iranian nucular program. Most estimates count with a 3-4 years delay imposed at the price of a highly destabilized region and unpredictable consequences.
Not good.
If the Iranians retaliate in a big way and the US responds by destroying Iranian infrastructure wouldn't that tank the entire Iranian economy for years to come? They'd hardly be in a position to pursue their nuclear ambitions then.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 09, 2012, 03:57:35 AM
Quote from: Tamas on March 09, 2012, 03:48:00 AM
As speculations mount, one is worse than the other. Apart from mandatory optimism, nobody appears to be convinced at all that a Jewish (or even an American) air campaign could put an end to the Iranian nucular program. Most estimates count with a 3-4 years delay imposed at the price of a highly destabilized region and unpredictable consequences.
Not good.
If the Iranians retaliate in a big way and the US responds by destroying Iranian infrastructure wouldn't that tank the entire Iranian economy for years to come? They'd hardly be in a position to pursue their nuclear ambitions then.
I am not sure that cementing in the religious leadership for 75 more years is such a grand idea.
Quote from: Tamas on March 09, 2012, 03:48:00 AM
As speculations mount, one is worse than the other. Apart from mandatory optimism, nobody appears to be convinced at all that a Jewish (or even an American) air campaign could put an end to the Iranian nucular program. Most estimates count with a 3-4 years delay imposed at the price of a highly destabilized region and unpredictable consequences.
Not good.
Nobody is operating under the assumption that air strikes can end their program, and it doesn't have to.
A 3 or 4 year delay is exactly that. And guess what? You hit them again in 2 years, and delay them again. And again. And you keep hitting them until they come to the conclusion that having a nuclear programs is more costly than achieving one. Nuclear programs are interlocked in such a way that you destroy one aspect of it, it retards the rest of the larger program.
Personally, in the meantime I like the asymmetrical approach of targeted assassination of specific Iranian talent along with continued cyber-assaults on their Industrial Control Systems and supply chain.
Blow up their singular oil refinery and take out some of their oil fields and then watch as the regime falls apart as it can't bribe their domestic and foreign supporters any more.
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 09, 2012, 06:56:10 AM
Blow up their singular oil refinery and take out some of their oil fields and then watch as the regime falls apart as it can't bribe their domestic and foreign supporters any more.
So why didn't the US use these tactics against Saddam ? :hmm:
Quote from: mongers on March 09, 2012, 07:15:20 AM
So why didn't the US use these tactics against Saddam ? :hmm:
Not flashy enough.
Quote from: mongers on March 09, 2012, 07:15:20 AM
Quote from: Hansmeister on March 09, 2012, 06:56:10 AM
Blow up their singular oil refinery and take out some of their oil fields and then watch as the regime falls apart as it can't bribe their domestic and foreign supporters any more.
So why didn't the US use these tactics against Saddam ? :hmm:
Maybe Saddam wasn't an Iranian? :hmm:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 09, 2012, 05:15:37 AM
Quote from: Tamas on March 09, 2012, 03:48:00 AM
As speculations mount, one is worse than the other. Apart from mandatory optimism, nobody appears to be convinced at all that a Jewish (or even an American) air campaign could put an end to the Iranian nucular program. Most estimates count with a 3-4 years delay imposed at the price of a highly destabilized region and unpredictable consequences.
Not good.
Nobody is operating under the assumption that air strikes can end their program, and it doesn't have to.
A 3 or 4 year delay is exactly that. And guess what? You hit them again in 2 years, and delay them again. And again. And you keep hitting them until they come to the conclusion that having a nuclear programs is more costly than achieving one. Nuclear programs are interlocked in such a way that you destroy one aspect of it, it retards the rest of the larger program.
Personally, in the meantime I like the asymmetrical approach of targeted assassination of specific Iranian talent along with continued cyber-assaults on their Industrial Control Systems and supply chain.
I am shocked that an American thinks that murdering civilians is great.
A guy building weapons can't really hide behind being a "civilian".
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 09, 2012, 09:10:32 AM
A guy building weapons can't really hide behind being a "civilian".
I don't get it.
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:lol: saved.
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Quote from: The Brain on March 09, 2012, 09:06:23 AM
I am shocked that an American thinks that murdering civilians is great.
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Quote from: Pedrito on March 09, 2012, 09:24:22 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 07, 2012, 05:48:00 PM
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:lol: saved.
L.
I don't get it. :(
Quote from: Tamas on March 09, 2012, 04:02:07 AM
I am not sure that cementing in the religious leadership for 75 more years is such a grand idea.
We saw how effective the opposition was back in 2009.
Quote from: Razgovory on March 09, 2012, 09:31:37 AM
Quote from: Tamas on March 09, 2012, 04:02:07 AM
I am not sure that cementing in the religious leadership for 75 more years is such a grand idea.
We saw how effective the opposition was back in 2009.
I don't get it.