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General Category => Off the Record => Topic started by: Syt on February 19, 2012, 02:22:28 AM

Title: What if: Stalin delays invasion of Finland till Spring 1940?
Post by: Syt on February 19, 2012, 02:22:28 AM
The 1939 winter invasion of Finland was a bit of a disaster at first for the Soviets, and though they sorted their shit out near the end and learned their lessons the hard way, it remained a bit of a stain on the Red Army's reputation.

What if the invasion had been held off till Spring or Summer 1940? Would the Reds have steamrolled over the Finns? Would the Soviet airforce have made a difference with significantly more daylight to use?

Also, what would this have meant for the 1941 invasion by Germany? Would the Reds have been better or worse prepared? Especially, how would their performance be in the winter without the Finnish experience?
Title: Re: What if: Stalin delays invasion of Finland till Spring 1940?
Post by: Razgovory on February 19, 2012, 10:29:51 AM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FkEZHu.jpg&hash=a39eb53b65b17f0b13cce5035d1a2045dffcae7b)

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fl7Cdx.jpg&hash=15a6f7993a978f31bd4c1e3652f2ebb3e94bc3a6)
Title: Re: What if: Stalin delays invasion of Finland till Spring 1940?
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on February 19, 2012, 11:19:20 AM
Finns would have been fucked up.  Germans would have got the Reds whilst they were even more disorganized than before.
Title: Re: What if: Stalin delays invasion of Finland till Spring 1940?
Post by: DGuller on February 19, 2012, 11:50:37 AM
Simo Hayha would probably be dead after his first hundred kills.
Title: Re: What if: Stalin delays invasion of Finland till Spring 1940?
Post by: Siege on February 19, 2012, 03:18:08 PM
Raz, what's the meaning of those pictures?
What are you trying to say?
Title: Re: What if: Stalin delays invasion of Finland till Spring 1940?
Post by: Eddie Teach on February 19, 2012, 03:38:26 PM
I don't think this would affect the timeline of the Manhattan Project very much.
Title: Re: What if: Stalin delays invasion of Finland till Spring 1940?
Post by: Razgovory on February 19, 2012, 06:05:27 PM
Quote from: Siege on February 19, 2012, 03:18:08 PM
Raz, what's the meaning of those pictures?
What are you trying to say?

Old Languish joke.  Alt History questions tended to eventually degrade into a discussion about the giant ants of Brest-Litovsk.
Title: Re: What if: Stalin delays invasion of Finland till Spring 1940?
Post by: Viking on February 19, 2012, 06:24:06 PM
Total undeniable and complete disaster for the Allies.

Since by April 1940 the British have not set aside a force to enter northern finland to help the finns against the Soviets leaving them completely unprepared to even oppose symbolically the german invasion of Norway. This means that rather than having the government have to justify why they failed in norway when prepared they would not have to do so. Furthermore a war purely at sea would have left Churchill with no-one to blame for the allied fiasco there. This means that by May 10th 1940 Chamberlain is still solidly in power with the reshuffle removing the obviously incompetent Churchill rather than the misguided Chamberlain. After the French Surrender Chamberlain and Halifax suggest an armistice with Hitler ending the war in the west.

Then the Giant Ants of Brest-Litovsk eat the Third Shock Army and the Fourth Panzer Army at the start of Barbarossa.