Which languishites are the most 'down to earth' and which are the most effete ?
And where would you put yourself on this axis/continuum* ?
My view is the 'Down to Earth' title goes to either 11B4V or CCR. :cool:
I'm not sure who wins the effete crown, and probably wouldn't be nice to say so, though I think Shelf in his proto-castle is well off in the running for that race.
Me, I'm wherever the somewhat shot away position is on the scale.
* this presupposes you accept my working definitions of the terms, but hell I'll use these words and thus allow our 'word-smiths' to debate meanings and semantics. :D
11B4V is the guy who says he's pursued every woman he's ever been interested in and never been shot down. So apparently he's still up in the clouds.
I'm the most down to Earth. Like, under the Earth.
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Whereas garbo is, of course, rather effete.
Contrast to Martinus, he's just into feet.
Quote from: Ideologue on January 28, 2012, 10:47:55 PM
Whereas garbo is, of course, rather effete.
Contrast to Martinus, he's just into feet.
Am I that ineffectual?
Minsky for effete. If there's a high-handed polysyllabic way to say something that could be said in three words, he'll find it. CCR for down to earth posting.
Cal strikes me as a quite down-to-earth poster.
Quote from: Lettow77 on January 28, 2012, 11:02:17 PM
Cal strikes me as a quite down-to-earth poster.
In general, yeah- CCR's ability to still give off the "dim, smoky poker table" vibe even while debating tactics of the Roman Legions gives him the edge, though. ;)
I think of myself as being pretty down to earth, despite my LLB... :unsure:
I've never heard "effete" used this way. I'm not sure exactly what we are measuring.
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I prefer to think of myself as "Lawful Bacon" with a side of good.
Quote from: garbon on January 28, 2012, 10:49:29 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 28, 2012, 10:47:55 PM
Whereas garbo is, of course, rather effete.
Contrast to Martinus, he's just into feet.
Am I that ineffectual?
I just wanted to make a pun. :P
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question. I do manual labor, no one else here does (unless "shooting people" is manual labor, then I guess Infantry can have it; fine with me, it's a crown of fucking thorns).
You're a waitress. That sounds pretty effete.
I'm the salt of the Earth.
Quote from: Razgovory on January 28, 2012, 11:33:11 PM
You're a waitress. That sounds pretty effete.
I haven't been a waiter in three years. I work kitchen. I'd rather be a waiter again. In any event, if effeteness means not burning or cutting myself on a daily basis, then I'm all for it. I am annoyed that
I got through three years of restaurant work with pretty intact hands (the only callus I have is from drawing), and am undoing that four or eight hours at a time.
Before coming to Japan I was working as an actual labourer. None of this namby pamby restaurant business. :p
Quote from: Tyr on January 29, 2012, 12:55:56 AM
Before coming to Japan I was working as an actual labourer. None of this namby pamby restaurant business. :p
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Quote from: Ideologue on January 28, 2012, 11:21:59 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 28, 2012, 10:49:29 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on January 28, 2012, 10:47:55 PM
Whereas garbo is, of course, rather effete.
Contrast to Martinus, he's just into feet.
Am I that ineffectual?
I just wanted to make a pun. :P
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question. I do manual labor, no one else here does (unless "shooting people" is manual labor, then I guess Infantry can have it; fine with me, it's a crown of fucking thorns).
Uh, you're not the only person here who does manual laborer.
BTW, in case I haven't mentioned it, North Carolina sucks. I wish I was back in WV.
Quote from: Ideologue on January 28, 2012, 11:21:59 PM
I just wanted to make a pun. :P
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question. I do manual labor, no one else here does (unless "shooting people" is manual labor, then I guess Infantry can have it; fine with me, it's a crown of fucking thorns).
Come to where I work, sort and stock 35 shipping boxes of 250 CDs each, then we'll talk.
Does an electrician do manual labor?
Quote from: sbr on January 29, 2012, 06:08:53 PM
Does an electrician do manual labor?
Not according to Ide. Climbing, ripping and patching walls to deal with run cable... that stuff's cushy.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on January 29, 2012, 06:11:45 PM
Quote from: sbr on January 29, 2012, 06:08:53 PM
Does an electrician do manual labor?
Not according to Ide. Climbing, ripping and patching walls to deal with run cable... that stuff's cushy.
Yeah and dicing tomatoes is grueling. :D
How they rush in for this dubious honor! :o
Quote from: garbon on January 29, 2012, 06:15:38 PM
How they rush in for this dubious honor! :o
If I have to live it I want credit for it.
I'm not ashamed of being poor, but then I'm poor because I lack ambition and am not really all that interested in material gain. OTOH, Ide's poor because he has no work ethic, so I'm not going to let him grab the low ground.
You do seem to have your knives out for Ide, this evening.
Quote from: Razgovory on January 28, 2012, 11:17:53 PM
I've never heard "effete" used this way. I'm not sure exactly what we are measuring.
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I prefer to think of myself as "Lawful Bacon" with a side of good.
What's the meaning of bacon and necktie?
A chaotic necktie, never heard of it?
Is that like a Sicilian necktie?
If you can equate having great common sense with being down to earth, then Richard Hakluyt is an excellent example of having that common sense which is part of the British genius. :bowler:
I'm poor and don't do manual labour. What do I get to brag about? :cry:
Quote from: DontSayBanana on January 28, 2012, 11:08:42 PM
Quote from: Lettow77 on January 28, 2012, 11:02:17 PM
Cal strikes me as a quite down-to-earth poster.
In general, yeah- CCR's ability to still give off the "dim, smoky poker table" vibe even while debating tactics of the Roman Legions gives him the edge, though. ;)
I would agree with this.
Quote from: HVC on January 29, 2012, 07:31:58 PM
I'm poor and don't do manual labour. What do I get to brag about? :cry:
That you don't do manual labor. That is for the plebs.
Quote from: HVC on January 29, 2012, 07:31:58 PM
I'm poor and don't do manual labour. What do I get to brag about? :cry:
You're an accountant, that makes you lower middle class at worst.
Uh....I guess what I do Is manual labor, but I'm not poor.
I'm an unchartered accountant who gets underpaid lol. working in both though. School for my designation and looking for another job. Always funny when recruiters ask how much I make and they seem awkwardly surprised/pitying when I tell them.
Our accountants are paid very well but AFAIK every single one is a CPA.
I told you going into accounting was mistake!
Aren't CPA's bottom rung accountants in the states? Other countries designations confusion. Every has the same abbreviations for different things lol
Quote from: katmai on January 29, 2012, 07:48:12 PM
I told you going into accounting was mistake!
that you did. But you didn't give me an alternative beyond summer help at your stand :D
Quote from: dps on January 29, 2012, 06:29:33 PM
I'm not ashamed of being poor, but then I'm poor because I lack ambition and am not really all that interested in material gain. OTOH, Ide's poor because he has no work ethic, so I'm not going to let him grab the low ground.
You can go fuck yourself. Is that manual labor?
You know nothing about my work ethic. You think going to law school, even a mediocre one, involves just sitting on your ass doing nothing all day for three years? Think I didn't bust my ass for my client in my clinical? Think salads make their Goddamned selves?
Yeah, it's my work ethic. The one that put me on a management track at my old job and the one that got me through an advanced degree. Because in America, if you work hard, you get rewarded. That shit's as true as it was in 1776.
One of these days you're gonna have to explain what your hard-on of hate for me is all about, dude.
Quote from: HVC on January 29, 2012, 07:49:26 PM
Aren't CPA's bottom rung accountants in the states? Other countries designations confusion. Every has the same abbreviations for different things lol
On the contrary. CPA is the highest accountant certification in the States.
I lack both ambition and work ethic. :yeah:
And deeps, if you were just playing around, that's fine. But "Ideologue is a bad decisionmaker" and "Ideologue is lazy" are not the same thing.
You people run from grumbler on one end to Neil on the other.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on January 29, 2012, 11:07:15 PM
You people run from grumbler.
Wouldnt any sane person do the same?
Quote from: Ideologue on January 29, 2012, 10:18:15 PM
And deeps, if you were just playing around, that's fine. But "Ideologue is a bad decisionmaker" and "Ideologue is lazy" are not the same thing.
Not exactly playing around, but yeah, I don't know anything about your work ethic. It's actually probably pretty good.
Don't know if you remember this or not, but a long time ago, back even before you hooked up with Korea I think, I posted something to the effect that you reminded me of a younger version of myself. Your politics are almost the opposite of mine, and your taste in women isn't anything like mine, but in a lot of ways you still do remind me of me. I always did well in an academic setting (better than you, from some things that you posted, but it's not like you can't handle coursework--you obviously can) and on the job, I've always worked hard, but I've never really gotten ahead because I've never figured out what I want to do with my life. You seem to be headed down the same road. Figure out what the heck you want and go do it while you can. You don't want to be 49 and thinking about going back to school to get a teaching certificate.
To a certain extent, my situation doesn't bother me all that much, because (and I've posted this before, too) as long as I can afford a place to stay that has enough room for me to set up a wargame, can pay the bills, put food on the table, and have a good internet connection, there's not much else I want that money can buy. I think you probably want more out of life, though. Well, you need to figure out what it is you want, and plan a career path that'll get if for you. If you just drift, you will end up like me, or worse, like my stepbrother. And if you keep drifting, I'll keep giving you a hard time about it, and maybe that'll motivate you a little.
Of course, even if it doesn't motivate you any (and really, why should it--ultimately, why should you care what any of us here say about you), I'll continue to give you a hard time just for shit and giggles. ;)
I only ever wanted to help people, make enough money to keep me in Reese's cups, and have a skinny mate with a short haircut. That's not exactly great expectations, is it? :unsure:
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 29, 2012, 11:21:14 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on January 29, 2012, 11:07:15 PM
You people run from grumbler.
Wouldnt any sane person do the same?
:D I wouldn't run to Neil, even if he didn't live in Alberta.
Quote from: sbr on January 29, 2012, 11:53:17 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 29, 2012, 11:21:14 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on January 29, 2012, 11:07:15 PM
You people run from grumbler.
Wouldnt any sane person do the same?
:D I wouldn't run to Neil, even if he didn't live in Alberta.
Yeah, that part is obvious which is why a struck it out.
Quote from: Ideologue on January 29, 2012, 10:18:15 PM
And deeps, if you were just playing around, that's fine. But "Ideologue is a bad decisionmaker" and "Ideologue is lazy" are not the same thing.
Not ripping at you personally, but from my experience with several "bad decisionmakers" I know in person, some form of "laziness" played a role in their "bad decisionmaking". Especially if you regard their failure to respond properly to the deferred reward stimuli as a form of laziness.
I am not saying that in each case it was the case of a flaw of character - sometimes that "laziness" was a product of their upbringing or environment.
However, each of them had a period in life when he (or she) played and partied while others worked. Later on they made "bad decisions" when they tried to catch up to those who worked by some shortcut and predictably failed.
Btw, how do you define "effete" mongers?
Quote from: Martinus on January 30, 2012, 03:53:22 AM
I am not saying that in each case it was the case of a flaw of character - sometimes that "laziness" was a product of their upbringing or environment.
:huh:
Quote from: The Brain on January 30, 2012, 04:01:01 AM
Quote from: Martinus on January 30, 2012, 03:53:22 AM
I am not saying that in each case it was the case of a flaw of character - sometimes that "laziness" was a product of their upbringing or environment.
:huh:
What now?
Quote from: Martinus on January 30, 2012, 04:01:40 AM
Quote from: The Brain on January 30, 2012, 04:01:01 AM
Quote from: Martinus on January 30, 2012, 03:53:22 AM
I am not saying that in each case it was the case of a flaw of character - sometimes that "laziness" was a product of their upbringing or environment.
:huh:
What now?
Upbringing and environment don't build character?
What I meant is that sometimes people coming from deprived backgrounds "give up" on working hard because they think (rightly or wrongly) that they will not manage to reach the same level of success as people from non-deprived backgrounds, so they adopt a "lazy" attitude - in such cases, imo, such behaviour is more excusable than a similar attitude of people coming from non-deprived or privileged backgrounds, where it is purely a flaw of character.
So when I don't check my blood sugar level it's bad but when a guy who has diabetes doesn't check his it's awesome? Roger that.
Quote from: Martinus on January 30, 2012, 03:58:26 AM
Btw, how do you define "effete" mongers?
Effete mongers comes out after he's had one zima too many.
Quote from: Octavian on January 29, 2012, 04:50:57 AM
Quote from: Tyr on January 29, 2012, 12:55:56 AM
Before coming to Japan I was working as an actual labourer. None of this namby pamby restaurant business. :p
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Nyet.
A literal labourer. On building sites.
Literal labourer?
Quote from: The Brain on January 30, 2012, 08:33:43 AM
Literal labourer?
As opposed to a lateral labourer.
But I mean a labourer. Its a job title. Dudes who just carry crap around and do odd jobs for the real builders.
Quote from: Tyr on January 30, 2012, 08:47:48 AM
Quote from: The Brain on January 30, 2012, 08:33:43 AM
Literal labourer?
As opposed to a lateral labourer.
But I mean a labourer. Its a job title. Dudes who just carry crap around and do odd jobs for the real builders.
Oh we had those in California. They were Mexicans.
Quote from: The Brain on January 30, 2012, 08:33:43 AM
Literal labourer?
I was a littoral laborer. Down by the river...
I have been a clitoral laborer, but then who hasnt?
Quote from: Rasputin on January 30, 2012, 11:11:59 AM
I have been a clitoral laborer, but then who hasnt?
Jaron :P
Marty.
I never considered it labor.
Quote from: Rasputin on January 30, 2012, 11:11:59 AM
I have been a clitoral laborer, but then who hasnt?
Me, thank god!
did you ever have a girlfriend? or did you know at a young age?
Quote from: Ideologue on January 30, 2012, 12:04:11 PM
I never considered it labor.
Me either.
And neither did they, fortunately :D
There are aspects of taco gobbling that are work-like. The stiff neck, the dry mouth.
Quote from: HVC on January 30, 2012, 12:45:30 PM
did you ever have a girlfriend? or did you know at a young age?
He forgets when he has enough alcohol in his system. :lol:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 30, 2012, 10:17:38 PM
Quote from: HVC on January 30, 2012, 12:45:30 PM
did you ever have a girlfriend? or did you know at a young age?
He forgets when he has enough alcohol in his system. :lol:
<_<
Quote from: garbon on January 30, 2012, 11:02:01 PM
I experimented in college.
<_< Damn Women's Studies, corrupting another fine young homosexual.
Poor girl(s). Having to live with the shame of being so undesirable that they turned their one night stand gay :( :P
I actually know one girl with three gay ex's :D. I'm not sure what's wrong with her. Her gaydar is strong, but working in reverse.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on January 30, 2012, 11:04:04 PM
Quote from: garbon on January 30, 2012, 11:02:01 PM
I experimented in college.
<_< Damn Women's Studies, corrupting another fine young homosexual.
We were embracing androgyny. Unfortunately, it didn't take.
Quote from: HVC on January 30, 2012, 11:07:16 PM
I actually know one girl with three gay ex's :D. I'm not sure what's wrong with her. Her gaydar is strong, but working in reverse.
I had a friend like that in college. She was a good way for me to identify potential dates. :D
She was engaged to one of them. She works the art scene. Set designer and painter. she's surrounded by gay men, closeted and otherwise, so you'd think she'd be a better judge.
Effete and down to earth are somehow opposites? British English is weird, or at least mongers English, :p
I don't know where I am on this scale and am not particularly worried about it.
Quote from: fahdiz on January 31, 2012, 03:23:16 PM
I don't know where I am on this scale and am not particularly worried about it.
I'd say you're neutral good necktie.
Quote from: fahdiz on January 31, 2012, 03:23:16 PM
I don't know where I am on this scale and am not particularly worried about it.
OK, sounds like you should be measuring yourself on the aloof - loofah axis.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 31, 2012, 03:26:24 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on January 31, 2012, 03:23:16 PM
I don't know where I am on this scale and am not particularly worried about it.
I'd say you're neutral good necktie.
Okay.