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Title: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: Sheilbh on January 23, 2012, 12:01:09 AM
QuoteFrench front-runner pledges to cut his pay by 30 per cent as he aims to become next president
Francois Hollande, the front-runner to become France's next president pledged to cut his and his government's pay by 30 per cent on Sunday, as he hit out at the rich while seeking to dispel niggling doubts he has what it takes to become his country's next leader.

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Speaking in Le Bourget, Mr Hollande promised to cut his own pay by and that of government by 30 per cent if elected Photo: AP
By Henry Samuel, Le Bourget7:55PM GMT 22 Jan 20122 Comments

With just three months to go before elections, poll after poll suggests Socialist Mr Hollande will secure a comfortable victory over the unpopular Nicolas Sarkozy, his conservative rival and the incumbent.

But doubts persist even within the Hollande camp about his ability to make an all-important personal connection with the French and inject fervour into his campaign.

That emotion was present on Sunday at Le Bourget exhibition hall outside Paris as he stepped in front of 15,000 party faithful, onto a blue white and red stage emblazoned with "Change is Now" and to chants of "François President".

"All my life I have prepared for this function", he said, thanking his parents.

The jovial 57-year-old 's "Mr Normal" image worked to clinch party primaries but the French need to know he has the decision-making mettle for what is constitutionally the most powerful post of any Western democracy.

Saying a president could remain "ambitious for his country and humble for himself", he promised a radical change of leadership style from the showy Mr Sarkozy. "I stand by a simplicity that is not restraint but the mark of genuine authority," he told party members.

"I like people while others are fascinated by money ... I will be the president of the end of privileges," he said, accusing Mr Sarkozy of presiding over the "degradation" of France just days after the country lost its coveted triple A credit rating for government loans.

In a stridently Left-wing discourse, he said: "My real adversary has no name, no face, no party ... it's the world of finance."

Saving details of his manifesto until later this week, Mr Hollande did promise to cut his own pay by and that of government by 30 per cent if elected. He said he would rewrite Europe's fiscal pact to insert measures to spur growth.
Little known outside France, Mr Hollande has never held a ministerial post, but nevertheless cast himself as the natural successor to François Mitterrand, the last left-winger to win the presidency in 1988.

"Some people criticise me for never having been minister. When I see who they are today, I'm reassured!," he said.

Invoking the legacy of 1789 and 1968, he asked to be judged on how much he improved the lot of young voters by the end of his mandate.


The latest poll puts Hollande on 30 per cent compared to Sarkozy's 23 per cent and with Marine Le Pen in third with 18 per cent. But the gap has narrowed and Mr Sarkozy is betting on support for Mr Hollande collapsing in the final run-up to
the first round on April 22.

With this in mind, he intends to launch his official campaign as late as mid-March.

He apparently wrapped himself in more traditionally Gaullist symbolism (big rousing chorus of La Marseillaise and lots of Tricolors).  He will also pull troops out from Afghanistan immediately, negotiate a Franco-German pact, make the world of finance 'the servant not the master' of the people.  All because 'all countries have souls.  The soul of France is equality.'

Sw-oooon :wub: :mmm: :frog:

Edit:  Oh and he also wants to put the 1905 Separation of Church and State Law into the constitution.  Pandering to the Marti vote and, probably trying to distract from the far-right.
Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: 11B4V on January 23, 2012, 12:07:56 AM
He looks French.
Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: Jacob on January 23, 2012, 12:11:00 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 23, 2012, 12:07:56 AM
He looks French.

That might work out in his favour.
Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: Sheilbh on January 23, 2012, 12:17:03 AM
Yeah based on looks alone he seems Presidential:
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Why do the French love bald Presidents so much?
Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: Syt on January 23, 2012, 12:21:19 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 23, 2012, 12:17:03 AM
Why do the French love bald Presidents so much?

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Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: The Brain on January 23, 2012, 02:19:56 AM
Tell that to the Marine.
Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: Duque de Bragança on January 23, 2012, 04:59:41 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 23, 2012, 12:01:09 AM
He apparently wrapped himself in more traditionally Gaullist symbolism (big rousing chorus of La Marseillaise and lots of Tricolors).  He will also pull troops out from Afghanistan immediately, negotiate a Franco-German pact, make the world of finance 'the servant not the master' of the people.  All because 'all countries have souls.  The soul of France is equality.'

Sw-oooon :wub: :mmm: :frog:

Edit:  Oh and he also wants to put the 1905 Separation of Church and State Law into the constitution.  Pandering to the Marti vote and, probably trying to distract from the far-right.

He's always better than  Ségolène :)
As for laïcité, well why not enforce it in Elsass-Mosel ? :D
He could win by 80% if Marine goes to the run-off... Let's see how Flanby (Caramel pudding) manages the campaign.
Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: Admiral Yi on January 23, 2012, 05:21:05 AM
This dude has downgrade written all over him.
Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: Grey Fox on January 23, 2012, 06:56:37 AM
Nice discourse, I liked it.

Every moment I also thought would kill someone here.
Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: Valmy on January 23, 2012, 08:09:08 AM
Quotemake the world of finance 'the servant not the master' of the people

:hmm:

The world of finance only becomes your master if you go into debt.  If the world of finance is your servant while you are in debt...well how does that work?
Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on January 23, 2012, 08:38:42 AM
At least he doesn't wear platform heels. He does need to lose more hair though, for the proper French presidential look.

Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: Oexmelin on January 23, 2012, 09:01:39 AM
Quote from: Syt on January 23, 2012, 12:21:19 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 23, 2012, 12:17:03 AM
Why do the French love bald Presidents so much?

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This one is the present president. He just wears the face of Nicolas Sarkozy.
Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: Zoupa on January 23, 2012, 01:37:16 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 23, 2012, 05:21:05 AM
This dude has downgrade written all over him.

I'm glad the notation agencies use such precise barometers such as how a dude looks.
Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: The Minsky Moment on January 23, 2012, 01:49:28 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 23, 2012, 05:21:05 AM
This dude has downgrade written all over him.

Key part of the plan is to make the rating function an arm of the state - so downgrading the French sovereign will be a punishable act of treason.
So no worries - no risk of (further) downgrades.
Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: viper37 on January 23, 2012, 02:11:35 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 23, 2012, 12:01:09 AM
Speaking in Le Bourget, Mr Hollande promised to cut his own pay by and that of government by 30 per cent if elected Photo: AP
Nice move.  But it won't happen.  As soon as he's elected, he'll talk like all other socialist politicians, about not devaluationg their important work, about how it is totally justified, the public pressure, the long hours, that it won't save that much money, etc, etc.
QuoteHe will also pull troops out from Afghanistan immediately,
Great, another crazy French.

Quotenegotiate a Franco-German pact,
Bye bye EU!

Quotemake the world of finance 'the servant not the master' of the people.  All because 'all countries have souls.  The soul of France is equality.'
ohhhh, that's great.  He scored lots of points with the economically illeterate majority, the people who don't ask question when they're promised 200% rate of return on their investment but bitch when they realize it was a scam.

Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: viper37 on January 23, 2012, 02:12:54 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 23, 2012, 06:56:37 AM
Nice discourse, I liked it.

Every moment I also thought would kill someone here.
Chavez has done such a great job with Venezuela, why not elect his clones in France, and Quebec too, while we're at it?
Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: Zoupa on January 23, 2012, 02:24:58 PM
Yes viper. Francois Hollande is exactly like Chavez. His policies = same. Good argument.
Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: Grey Fox on January 23, 2012, 02:37:31 PM
Quote from: viper37 on January 23, 2012, 02:12:54 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on January 23, 2012, 06:56:37 AM
Nice discourse, I liked it.

Every moment I also thought would kill someone here.
Chavez has done such a great job with Venezuela, why not elect his clones in France, and Quebec too, while we're at it?

You are a rightwingtard, I'm a leftwingtard. Do we really need to have a conversation on this?
Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: Ed Anger on January 23, 2012, 03:09:22 PM
I'm still pulling for Le Pen's kid, just for the comedy value.
Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: Oexmelin on January 23, 2012, 03:16:57 PM
But then, as a foreigner, you wouldn't be welcome anymore in Normandy.

(Le Pen senior was anglophobe - don't know about his daughter)
Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: Ed Anger on January 23, 2012, 03:23:20 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on January 23, 2012, 03:16:57 PM
But then, as a foreigner, you wouldn't be welcome anymore in Normandy.

(Le Pen senior was anglophobe - don't know about his daughter)

I'll land on Omaha beach in a rubber boat.
Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: Malthus on January 23, 2012, 04:55:38 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on January 23, 2012, 12:01:09 AM

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Speaking in Le Bourget, Mr Hollande promised to cut his own pay by and that of government by 30 per cent if elected Photo: AP


I know nothing about the guy, but that is one incredibly unflattering pic.  :lol:
Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: Sheilbh on January 24, 2012, 01:10:42 AM
Quote from: Malthus on January 23, 2012, 04:55:38 PM
I know nothing about the guy, but that is one incredibly unflattering pic.  :lol:
I think the one of him embracing his inner-diva is even worse:
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Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: The Minsky Moment on January 24, 2012, 10:48:44 AM
The speech was pretty wretched, but after enduring the 843rd GOP primary debate, no American is an a position to cast a stone.
Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: Zanza on January 24, 2012, 11:04:34 AM
What is the mentioned Franco-German pact about?
Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: Valmy on January 24, 2012, 11:05:22 AM
Quote from: Zanza on January 24, 2012, 11:04:34 AM
What is the mentioned Franco-German pact about?

Hopefully a conspiracy to remake the Empire of the Franks.
Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: Sheilbh on January 24, 2012, 11:09:19 AM
Quote from: Zanza on January 24, 2012, 11:04:34 AM
What is the mentioned Franco-German pact about?
I looked it up.  For some reason he wants to replace the Adenauer-de Gaulle treaty and, I think, make it more intense.
Title: Re: Hollande starts campaign
Post by: Sheilbh on February 29, 2012, 03:29:49 PM
He continues!
QuoteWill François Hollande be the president to rescue France's economy?
The socialist candidate with a narrow lead in the race for the French presidency says he has more to offer than just austerity

Angelique Chrisafis in Paris
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 28 February 2012 15.19 GMT
Article history

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François Hollande addresses a campaign rally in Le Mans. He says his main adversary is big finance 'gone mad' which must be regulated. Photograph: David Vincent/AP


In a bruising French presidential race increasingly peppered with personal digs and invective, the socialist frontrunner François Hollande has sometimes taken comfort in his rural constituency of Corrèze in the Limousin. Hollande recently had the most famous crash diet and makeover in French politics. But on the stump in Tulle where he is mayor, the self-styled Mr Normal shakes hands and loiters over indulgent cheese and sausage at the market.

"Here people make a fuss of me, give me ham, sweets ... Can you imagine all these magic potions?" he told reporters, likening local produce to a presidential elixir.

If Hollande maintains his narrowing lead in the polls, he would in May become France's first leftwing president since François Mitterrand. When he arrives in London for a campaign visit on Wednesday it is to amplify his claim that the left could do a better job of handling the economic crisis.

With rightwing governments running 23 out of 27 countries in the EU, and austerity measures their only tool, Hollande says he can offer something different. His message – more sober than the high-spending Mitterrand promises of 30 years ago – is that state spending should be brought under control and deficits curbed, but that governments must also find ways to back growth and education or austerity measures won't work. He says his main adversary is big finance "gone mad", which must be regulated.

For years, Corrèze, a sparsely populated corner of central France, has been Hollande's laboratory of debt. Once the fiefdom of Jacques Chirac, it is where Hollande took on the right. It became a provincial anchor for the career politician and policy-wonk who led the Socialist party for 11 years but never served in government, and whose former partner Ségolène Royal, mother of his four children, ran as socialist presidential candidate in 2007. Corrèze is the most indebted department in France.

Hollande said he inherited the debt from the right and had to tighten belts to steer it back on track. To some, it is a microcosm of a nation on its knees.

France, the eurozone's second largest economy, with generous welfare and one of the highest levels of public spending in western Europe, has been told by its national auditor it risks an unsustainable debt spiral. Unemployment is at a 12-year high of almost 10%, recession is looming, the triple A credit rating has been downgraded and the country owes so much that interest repayments are the second biggest item of state expenditure after education.

The hole in state coffers has provided an element of consensus in Paris. Both Hollande and Nicolas Sarkozy have made it a priority to restore public finances and whoever wins the election will have to find €100bn (£85bn) of belt-tightening measures in the next five years to plug the deficit. Against this backdrop, Hollande – a consensus-builder who once taught economics and comes from the pro-European middle ground of the socialist camp – has presented a programme that is deliberately detached from old left traditions.

His 60-point manifesto takes care to avoid mentioning raising the minimum wage, increasing salaries or splurging on public sector jobs. His first move to tackle debt would be to scrap €29bn worth of tax breaks for wealthier people introduced under Sarkozy.

He would then make the richest pay their share of the burden of dragging France out of the crisis, by raising the tax bracket for the highest earners and increase taxes on banks and big companies, ploughing €20bn back into helping growth through support to small businesses, industry, research and 150,000 state-assisted jobs for young people.

For Hollande's delicate balancing act to work, he needs economic growth to creep back up by mid-way through a presidential term. "Let's hope for him the growth forecasts on which he based his project are up to it. From 2012, nothing is less certain," warned Le Monde.

"There's a certain economic realism," said Frédéric Sawacki at Paris University comparing the manifesto with Mitterrand's. "There will be more effort by the rich, but the programme doesn't promise a radical change of society."

Henri Rey of the Institute of Political Science in Paris said: "Because of the crisis, there's an emphasis on budget rigour, paying back debt. There's no escape, they have to do it." Hollande will create 60,000 jobs in education but has vowed they will come from squeezing other departments of state. Despite France's huge state sector – 5.3 million workers, 20% of the workforce – he said he will stop Sarkozy's non-replacement of one in two public sector workers who retire. The right says this is reckless.

This week Hollande announced that those earning more than €1m a year would have to pay 75% tax, which would be a record in Europe. He called it "patriotism" for the rich to make an effort to help France.

Hollande has recently hammered home the central rhetoric of his big campaign rallies that finance "gone mad" must be regulated. In his book, Changing Destiny, a kind of personal mission statement published last week, he stressed the need to limit the "exorbitant power of finance in our country".

Sawicki said Hollande's battle-ground on finance was "symbolic" and in line with public opinion across Europe but that the detail in his manifesto was straightforward and not very different from the drive for regulation elsewhere. Hollande would force banks to separate their investment banking and retail businesses, as in the UK and US. He will introduce a financial transaction tax, already announced by his rightwing opponent Sarkozy. He will ban banks from operating in tax havens, regulate bonuses and scrap stock options, except for start-ups. He will increase tax on banks' profits and wants a European credit ratings agency.

If Sarkozy has come to be lampooned by opponents as the president who promised reforms and did not deliver, Hollande is keen to avoid the word "promise" altogether.

Pierre Moscovici, his campaign manager, said people didn't want "miraculous promises" but a France put in order. He said that, unlike the past, there would be no big promises and then disappointment when there was "no more money left". He predicted instead two years of big effort to get the country back on its feet. Hollande said that when he was out campaigning "people don't ask for rash promises" but for respect.

Hollande peppers his speeches with the word République, defending French values of liberty, equality and fraternity which he says have been wrecked by the right – namely a school system among the most unequal in Europe and high youth unemployment in a country where one in five young people live below the poverty line. Unlike Sarkozy, Hollande is in favour of gay marriage and adoption, and has backed euthanasia. He wants to cut France's dependence on nuclear energy from 75% to 50% by 2025. He will maintain Sarkozy's reformed pension age at 62, but said those who started work young and have paid their dues can stop work at 60.

Hollande acknowledges his task will be hard if he is elected. "Never has a leftwing government come to power in such a delicate situation, both internally and in Europe," he has said.
I think Sarko's pitch for the right's votes (anti-gay marriage and adoption, family values (!) rhetoric) has worked because I understand they're only 2-5% apart on polls for the first round.  The second round polls have Hollande with a 17 point lead though.