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:bleeding: Come up with a new idea, people.
Wasn't 4 bad enough? What's this one, they just gonna tell people to subscribe to some lame ass MMO?
The Wizards of the Coast people seem to think they're releasing software. Hire some developers dudes... then you can justify these constant 'reboots'.
They keep firing their people at Christmas.
I suppose this is a fairly profitable model. I never really got into 3E and never bought anything for 4E. I wonder how much more they can fuck up the Forgotten Realms though. Perhaps they can include a mechanic to farm gold, just to make it a bit more like WoW.
I will inevitably buy it, if for no other reason than to be able to bitch about it later.
So glad I am too old to play these games now. 4th ed we hardly knew ye.
Quote from: Razgovory on January 10, 2012, 12:07:03 AM
I wonder how much more they can fuck up the Forgotten Realms though.
That setting ended with 3rd edition right?
Quote from: Valmy on January 10, 2012, 09:08:29 AM
So glad I am too old to play these games now. 4th ed we hardly knew ye.
You are never to old to wear +5 helm of pony friendship.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 10, 2012, 09:13:03 AM
You are never to old to wear +5 helm of pony friendship.
Ewwwww. I am not teh Brain.
Quote from: Valmy on January 10, 2012, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 10, 2012, 09:13:03 AM
You are never to old to wear +5 helm of pony friendship.
Ewwwww. I am not teh Brain.
I just sat through my kids watching a recorded my little pony episode. So pony references for everybody.
Say what?
Wasn't version 4 just a year or two back?
I remember AD&D v 2 was around forever. New versions are coming fast these days.
I have never been a big D&D fan. My entry into roleplaying was via Warhammer, which imo was a far superior system, then through GURPS into several other systems (Chaosium's, Storyteller and few others). So no, I won't be buying that shit.
Quote from: Tyr on January 10, 2012, 09:35:31 AM
Say what?
Wasn't version 4 just a year or two back?
I remember AD&D v 2 was around forever. New versions are coming fast these days.
They have to milk the tards.
At least White Wolf releases a lot of readable fluff in their books, so it is even fun to read when you do not intend to run a system. D&D is a pure moneygrabbing machine.
Quote from: Martinus on January 10, 2012, 09:41:18 AM
They have to milk the tards.
At least White Wolf releases a lot of readable fluff in their books, so it is even fun to read when you do not intend to run a system. D&D is a pure moneygrabbing machine.
Yeah D&D used to be that way as well. This has just been since WOTC took it over. I thought they were right to do 3rd ed at the time but now it seems like the new business model: reboot everything every couple years.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 09, 2012, 07:48:24 PM
http://wizards.com/dnd/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4ll/20120109
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That pic is so classic. :lol:
D&D has been, is and remains garbage.
Quote from: The Brain on January 10, 2012, 11:36:51 AM
D&D has been, is and remains garbage.
I would agree with exception of 2nd addition.
Quote from: Valmy on January 10, 2012, 10:02:15 AMThis has just been since WOTC took it over.
I've been effectively on strike since then. They canceled Birthright, the fuckers.
I bitterly cling to my West End Star Wars books.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on January 10, 2012, 12:10:09 PM
Quote from: Valmy on January 10, 2012, 10:02:15 AMThis has just been since WOTC took it over.
I've been effectively on strike since then. They canceled Birthright, the fuckers.
There's quite an active Birthright PBEM community out there. I've run a game of two myself. :)
I played 3e and 3.5 quite a bit, running campaigns for my group. Never got 4e though, as I moved to WFRP 2e at that time. Of course, then they went and made a new edition of WFRP too, so it's a moneygrubbing machine too, despite what Marty says. And I've lost count of how many editions GURPS has had. :P
Quote from: 11B4V on January 10, 2012, 11:44:51 AM
Quote from: The Brain on January 10, 2012, 11:36:51 AM
D&D has been, is and remains garbage.
I would agree with exception of 2nd addition.
Well he is basically right in the sense that I suppose D&D, particularly the early versions of it, were terrible gaming systems. I prefer it simply because I grew up with it.
But 2nd Edition was brilliant because of all the creativity with settings and so forth. Birthright and Planescape and Darksun and the Asian settings (both far east and near east) were all really interesting. I particularly loved Planescape.
The older iterations would have a lot of flavor text that was cool to leaf through.
Quote from: Tyr on January 10, 2012, 09:35:31 AM
Say what?
Wasn't version 4 just a year or two back?
I remember AD&D v 2 was around forever. New versions are coming fast these days.
From what I understand after talking to Kain yesterday, somebody at Wizards basically admitted they completely threw out testers' feedback for 4E, and are going to be doing an open beta this time around, so this has the sounds of damage control to my ears.
Quote from: 11B4V on January 10, 2012, 10:02:24 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 09, 2012, 07:48:24 PM
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That pic is so classic. :lol:
Jesus Christ, is that Chevy Chase? I didn't recognize him at first. Man that guy has aged.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 10, 2012, 09:20:15 AM
Quote from: Valmy on January 10, 2012, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 10, 2012, 09:13:03 AM
You are never to old to wear +5 helm of pony friendship.
Ewwwww. I am not teh Brain.
I just sat through my kids watching a recorded my little pony episode. So pony references for everybody.
You a big Rainbow Dash fan? Heh. As to the actual topic: meh. My friends and I still play some variants such as Rokugon and Star Wars in terms of WotC products, but the constant reboots are definitely driving us away or toward older stuff. While some of the changes are nice and even needed, overall it is simply too much to keep investing in new books.
If I was still playing I would get this. What is the cost of this - $40? You spend that on a video game that you may or may not like/play.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 10, 2012, 04:35:09 PM
If I was still playing I would get this. What is the cost of this - $40? You spend that on a video game that you may or may not like/play.
But this is the exact same game with slightly tweaked rules. Only sports video game fans do that.
This is why I like Gurps. The last version was from 2004 and they show no signs of changing again. The change from 3e to 4e wasn't that drastic either, not like the complete overhaul between D&D versions. Mostly smaller things like reducing the number of redundant advantages/disadvantages by making them more generic and streamlining some of the more complex rules. The rules for vehicles were notoriously bad.
Quote from: Valmy on January 10, 2012, 04:43:32 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 10, 2012, 04:35:09 PM
If I was still playing I would get this. What is the cost of this - $40? You spend that on a video game that you may or may not like/play.
But this is the exact same game with slightly tweaked rules. Only sports video game fans do that.
Oh really, how many versions of EU have people here played (including expansion packs purchased). Not to mention all the other variations on the theme that Paradox has turned out - to use but one example.
Quote from: Benedict Arnold on January 10, 2012, 03:36:11 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 10, 2012, 09:20:15 AM
Quote from: Valmy on January 10, 2012, 09:15:13 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 10, 2012, 09:13:03 AM
You are never to old to wear +5 helm of pony friendship.
Ewwwww. I am not teh Brain.
I just sat through my kids watching a recorded my little pony episode. So pony references for everybody.
You a big Rainbow Dash fan? Heh.
No. But I enjoy thread bombing forums with MLP pics.
Quote from: Razgovory on January 10, 2012, 02:23:35 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 10, 2012, 10:02:24 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 09, 2012, 07:48:24 PM
http://wizards.com/dnd/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4ll/20120109
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That pic is so classic. :lol:
Jesus Christ, is that Chevy Chase? I didn't recognize him at first. Man that guy has aged.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/212754/community-advanced-dungeons-and-dragons
That should still be up.
I'm looking forward to it.
I enjoyed 4E, but about a year or two ago it reached a saturation point for me. Too many options and too much stuff all over the place, also it kind of required you to use the online tools that I personally didn't like too much.
4E came out in the middle of 2008, a little less than a year after they announced it. This time around they apparently want to do some consulting with people, so I think we can expect that 5E is at least another year out. If it comes out in the beginning of 2013 that'll be 4 1/2 year since the last edition. It's a little bit short, but not ridiculously short given the space between previous editions in D&D nor that of similar products - GW runs about 5-6 years between editions (40K is likely getting a new edition this summer).
So for my part, I'm looking forward to the new edition. I'll definitely get the core set and play a few games, then see where it goes from there.
Quote from: Jacob on January 10, 2012, 06:25:16 PM
So for my part, I'm looking forward to the new edition. I'll definitely get the core set and play a few games, then see where it goes from there.
Hmmm, you might have two maybe three of the CC clan to play with.
Quote from: crazy canuck on January 10, 2012, 06:27:04 PM
Quote from: Jacob on January 10, 2012, 06:25:16 PM
So for my part, I'm looking forward to the new edition. I'll definitely get the core set and play a few games, then see where it goes from there.
Hmmm, you might have two maybe three of the CC clan to play with.
I'll be down :)
Man, the rpg.net D&D subforum has turned into one big wet aborted fetus. The Wargarbl is high on EVERY random thread I clicked.
Hilarious.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 10, 2012, 07:29:27 PM
Man, the rpg.net D&D subforum has turned into one big wet aborted fetus. The Wargarbl is high on EVERY random thread I clicked.
Hilarious.
Those people are tiring even at the best of times. I keep thinking I'm talking to a bunch of Starbucks Baristas.
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Quote from: Jacob on January 10, 2012, 06:25:16 PM
I'm looking forward to it.
I enjoyed 4E, but about a year or two ago it reached a saturation point for me. Too many options and too much stuff all over the place, also it kind of required you to use the online tools that I personally didn't like too much.
4E came out in the middle of 2008, a little less than a year after they announced it. This time around they apparently want to do some consulting with people, so I think we can expect that 5E is at least another year out. If it comes out in the beginning of 2013 that'll be 4 1/2 year since the last edition. It's a little bit short, but not ridiculously short given the space between previous editions in D&D nor that of similar products - GW runs about 5-6 years between editions (40K is likely getting a new edition this summer).
So for my part, I'm looking forward to the new edition. I'll definitely get the core set and play a few games, then see where it goes from there.
I like Yakie's attitude with this. Why do people whinge about new versions so much though. I've realized by playing a bunch of systems in the past few years that the actual system you use is secondary to having a GM who can keep people interested and wanting to play. Good source material and campaign settings are far more important than whether you use AD&D THAC0 or some newer.
Currently I'm just starting a Pathfinder Adventure Path (Kingmaker) playing a Ranger (two sword path) and a Druid. I like Pathfinder. The settings are useful, and well written for the most part. Character creation is reasonably easy. Game play is as wonky as your DM is a rules lawyer. We've only done one session so far, but it was very fun.
I'm running a 3.5 game (I have loads of 3.5 books still) and enjoying the heck out of that, I also play in a M&M 2.0 game that uses a melding of "Aberrant", and "Call Of Cthulhu" settings. Also a hoot. Really good GM. It makes all the difference.
Rules systems are just that. More variety of style is a good thing.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 10, 2012, 07:29:27 PM
Man, the rpg.net D&D subforum has turned into one big wet aborted fetus. The Wargarbl is high on EVERY random thread I clicked.
Hilarious.
I totally love that forum. It's a delightful complement to CSW. Those forums put to shame anything we could ever come up with.
Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on January 12, 2012, 12:21:35 PM
Why do people whinge about new versions so much though.
Because WOTC is fucking with our childhoods. AD&D was broken permanently when they started pushing out those asinine Greyhawk novels.
And besides, from what I've read about 4E there are so many more cleaner, simpler systems out there. And if you want high-end numbers-crunching, there's better systems out there, too.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 15, 2012, 11:05:31 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 10, 2012, 07:29:27 PM
Man, the rpg.net D&D subforum has turned into one big wet aborted fetus. The Wargarbl is high on EVERY random thread I clicked.
Hilarious.
I totally love that forum. It's a delightful complement to CSW. Those forums put to shame anything we could ever come up with.
Do you troll that forum? Tell me that you do :ph34r:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 15, 2012, 11:08:55 PM
Because WOTC is fucking with our childhoods. AD&D was broken permanently when they started pushing out those asinine Greyhawk novels.
While I do not deny the existence of "D&D" novels, I categorically reject any connection between the game of D&D and the fantasy fiction put out by the various publishers of D&D.
QuoteAnd besides, from what I've read about 4E there are so many more cleaner, simpler systems out there. And if you want high-end numbers-crunching, there's better systems out there, too.
4E, IMO, is probably the best system for playing with minis on a grid and having cool fights with cool powers. If that's not what you're up for, it's not the right system, but if you're in the mood for that then it's pretty good.
Quote from: Jacob on January 16, 2012, 12:12:30 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 15, 2012, 11:05:31 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 10, 2012, 07:29:27 PM
Man, the rpg.net D&D subforum has turned into one big wet aborted fetus. The Wargarbl is high on EVERY random thread I clicked.
Hilarious.
I totally love that forum. It's a delightful complement to CSW. Those forums put to shame anything we could ever come up with.
Do you troll that forum? Tell me that you do :ph34r:
Oh, fuck yeah. They deserve it.
I think I was warned on my 4th post. :ph34r:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 16, 2012, 01:40:55 AMDo you troll that forum? Tell me Oh, fuck yeah. They deserve it.
I think I was warned on my 4th post. :ph34r:
Alright... now I'm going to try to guess who you are....
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They loathe rpg.net like some of us loathe Paradox OT.
1e reprints:
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NERDS
You spend a fair amount of time on RPG.net it seems :nerd:
Quote from: Jacob on January 20, 2012, 08:06:07 PM
You spend a fair amount of time on RPG.net it seems :nerd:
I read the stupid there, but I don't participate. Because i would spend hours there trolling.
I would start threads like:
Any Nazi Rpg's?
Any Rpg's written by nazi's?
NAZI!
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 20, 2012, 08:09:38 PM
Quote from: Jacob on January 20, 2012, 08:06:07 PM
You spend a fair amount of time on RPG.net it seems :nerd:
I read the stupid there, but I don't participate. Because i would spend hours there trolling.
I would start threads like:
Any Nazi Rpg's?
Any Rpg's written by nazi's?
NAZI!
Nazi cat people? An Ann Frank campaign?