Looks like the situation is starting to slip beyond where Assad will be able to recover from.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/assad-losing-control-as-10-000-soldiers-desert-syrian-military-1.402625
QuoteAssad losing control as 10,000 soldiers desert Syrian military
Scores killed in Tuesday's clashes, including 14 troops ambushed by opposition.
By Avi Issacharoff and Amos Harel
More than 10,000 soldiers have deserted the Syrian army, sources say, with as many as half the conscripts not reporting in the last three call-ups.
According to Western intelligence agencies, even though the top brass is still loyal to President Bashar Assad, lower-level officers are deserting in large numbers, and in some cases, whole units have deserted en masse.
Syria - Reuters - 21122011
A demonstrator protests against Syria's President Bashar Assad in Damascus, earlier this week.
Photo by: Reuters
The army is considered the main factor safeguarding Assad's regime, after mass protests began in the south in March and spread throughout the country, inspired by the demonstrations elsewhere in the Arab world.
On Tuesday, at least 73 people were killed in Syria in clashes between the army and opposition, most of them in Homs in the west and Idlib in the northwest. The 73 dead added to the 100 who were killed on Monday, among them 14 soldiers ambushed by opposition forces, human rights groups said.
The groups added that Assad's forces were transferring wounded opposition activists from hospitals to army bases to prevent them from testifying to Arab League observers expected to arrive under a deal struck on Monday.
The observers would ensure that the army and opposition adhere to a cease-fire and end the violence.
A new law imposes the death penalty on anyone "smuggling arms to be used in terrorist activity."
Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak predicted this month that the Syrian regime would collapse within weeks. Barak said it was impossible to know who would rule Syria in the future, but in any case it would be a blow to the alliance between Iran and Lebanese Shi'ite group Hezbollah.
Another sign of the Syrian regime's frailty is Hamas' decision to move its headquarters from Damascus, as the Palestinian group that runs the Gaza Strip prepares for a possible post-Assad era.
More than 5,000 people have been killed in the unrest in Syria, most of them anti-Assad activists; in recent days dozens have been killed every day, on average. Still, the army has suffered many losses, mainly from ambushes by opposition forces and ex-soldiers. In some remote districts the opposition groups are getting stronger and the army is having problems operating.
The opposition is still weak in the two large cities, Damascus in the south and Aleppo in the north. The Syrian Republican Guard, concentrated mostly in Damascus, is well armed and considered loyal to Assad, making it more difficult to organize demonstrations in the capital.
Still, even in Damascus, rockets have been launched at army vehicles.
One of the main worries in the West is the fate of the army's rocket and missiles caches, as well as its chemical weapons. According to several media reports, Hezbollah has transferred several long-range missiles from Syria to Lebanon.
In the 2006 Second Lebanon War, Hezbollah fired more than 4,000 rockets into Israel.
At this stage there is no proof that Hezbollah has transferred chemical weapons. Chemical weapons are not easy to maintain and handle, and as far as is known, Hezbollah does not have such expertise.
Israeli Military Intelligence recently presented the government with a report stating that unrest in Arab states will continue into next year. Military Intelligence says the unrest might topple the regimes in Syria and Yemen; in Yemen, outgoing President Ali Abdullah Saleh still has not relinquished all his powers despite the uprising in that Arabian Peninsula country.
Conscripts not reporting to call-ups is a bit different from active soldiers switching their allegience. Even in normal times, I would imagine that there must be a certain percentage of conscripts who refuse to show up. We need more data before we can say what this means.
Desert? In Syria? :rolleyes:
Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak predicted this month that the Syrian regime would collapse within weeks. Barak said it was impossible to know who would rule Syria in the future, but in any case it would be a blow to the alliance between Iran and Lebanese Shi'ite group Hezbollah.
Another sign of the Syrian regime's frailty is Hamas' decision to move its headquarters from Damascus, as the Palestinian group that runs the Gaza Strip prepares for a possible post-Assad era.
Along with Iran possibly losing a key ally in Assad. It's good though that Syria's dictator may go the way of so many other dictators and their nasty regimes lately. But of course the big question is who and what power will replace his regime?
How long before Iran openly intervene to support Assad?
Quote from: viper37 on December 21, 2011, 03:01:21 PM
How long before Iran openly intervene to support Assad?
How exactly would they do that?
Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2011, 03:17:48 PM
Quote from: viper37 on December 21, 2011, 03:01:21 PM
How long before Iran openly intervene to support Assad?
How exactly would they do that?
It would require an indirect route, but they could march an army through Pakistan, India, Burma, Thailand, Vietnam, set sail from there and land in the US. From there it's simply a matter of marching across the US to the East coast and sailing across the Atlantic to Syria.
Quote from: Razgovory on December 21, 2011, 03:36:57 PM
It would require an indirect route, but they could march an army through Pakistan, India, Burma, Thailand, Vietnam, set sail from there and land in the US. From there it's simply a matter of marching across the US to the East coast and sailing across the Atlantic to Syria.
Attrition is going to be a bitch.
Quote from: Razgovory on December 21, 2011, 03:36:57 PM
It would require an indirect route, but they could march an army through Pakistan, India, Burma, Thailand, Vietnam, set sail from there and land in the US. From there it's simply a matter of marching across the US to the East coast and sailing across the Atlantic to Syria.
Oh come on now!
Surely they would use the Panama canal.
Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2011, 03:17:48 PM
How exactly would they do that?
Didn't they already have troops over there? Besides, they could ship supplies, weapons & troops with a boat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6q8wfmm3M
Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2011, 03:41:47 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 21, 2011, 03:36:57 PM
It would require an indirect route, but they could march an army through Pakistan, India, Burma, Thailand, Vietnam, set sail from there and land in the US. From there it's simply a matter of marching across the US to the East coast and sailing across the Atlantic to Syria.
Oh come on now!
Surely they would use the Panama canal.
They did dock their ships in Syria before. It could also be a humanitarian relieve.
Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2011, 03:17:48 PM
Quote from: viper37 on December 21, 2011, 03:01:21 PM
How long before Iran openly intervene to support Assad?
How exactly would they do that?
Where there's oil, there's a way.
Quote from: Razgovory on December 21, 2011, 03:36:57 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2011, 03:17:48 PM
Quote from: viper37 on December 21, 2011, 03:01:21 PM
How long before Iran openly intervene to support Assad?
How exactly would they do that?
It would require an indirect route, but they could march an army through Pakistan, India, Burma, Thailand, Vietnam, set sail from there and land in the US. From there it's simply a matter of marching across the US to the East coast and sailing across the Atlantic to Syria.
:lol:
Quote from: DGAttrition is going to be a bitch.
Make sure to get MA.
Quote from: DGuller on December 21, 2011, 03:38:07 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 21, 2011, 03:36:57 PM
It would require an indirect route, but they could march an army through Pakistan, India, Burma, Thailand, Vietnam, set sail from there and land in the US. From there it's simply a matter of marching across the US to the East coast and sailing across the Atlantic to Syria.
Attrition is going to be a bitch.
Not if it is the AI doing it.
I'm pretty sure AI suffered land attrition.
Quote from: The Brain on December 21, 2011, 01:35:08 PM
Desert? In Syria? :rolleyes:
It's more likely than you think.
Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2011, 03:17:48 PM
Quote from: viper37 on December 21, 2011, 03:01:21 PM
How long before Iran openly intervene to support Assad?
How exactly would they do that?
Bring in HizbUllah thugs. One of the reasons HAMAS is leaving seems to be that it refused to supply rentathugs to beat up the locals.
Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2011, 03:17:48 PM
Quote from: viper37 on December 21, 2011, 03:01:21 PM
How long before Iran openly intervene to support Assad?
How exactly would they do that?
Why can't they fly them there directly?
Quote from: Viking on December 21, 2011, 07:24:34 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2011, 03:17:48 PM
Quote from: viper37 on December 21, 2011, 03:01:21 PM
How long before Iran openly intervene to support Assad?
How exactly would they do that?
Bring in HizbUllah thugs. One of the reasons HAMAS is leaving seems to be that it refused to supply rentathugs to beat up the locals.
That is surprising.
Why can't they move them through their subject state in Iraq?
Quote from: Neil on December 21, 2011, 09:18:11 PM
Why can't they move them through their subject state in Iraq?
They refuse to give them Right of Passage.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on December 21, 2011, 09:18:53 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 21, 2011, 09:18:11 PM
Why can't they move them through their subject state in Iraq?
They refuse to give them Right of Passage.
Puppets can refuse military access?
Quote from: Neil on December 21, 2011, 09:21:32 PM
Puppets can refuse military access?
They can if you're not at war.
Quote from: Viking on December 21, 2011, 07:24:34 PM
Bring in HizbUllah thugs.
There's a lot of rumours that this has already happened.