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 :hmm: Tough decision.

Voted Stargate.  I watched that show faithfully! Stargate SG1   :cool:

Stargate.


Terra Nova? The Fox show or is it something else?

Twilight Zone doesn't belong. :mad:

Torn between Firefly, B5 and Farscape. Firefly probably loses for being the promise of a great series, rather than a finished product (thanks, tv execs!).

Between B5 and Farscape I'll have to go with Farscape, because their plots were in general more unusual, and you never knew quite what to expect, even though B5 had the more epic story.

If I ever do meet Rupert Murdoch, I'm punching him in the nuts.

B5.............I'm getting towards the end of my second viewing and have been impressed that it is actually better than the first time around.

 :hmm:

Probably DS9.

Quote from: Grey Fox on December 09, 2011, 12:13:50 PM
Terra Nova? The Fox show or is it something else?

Yeah, Viking loves it so much, figured I'd include it.  ^_^

Went with STNG, although was close between that and X-Files.
Like Lost too, but never really considered Sci Fi.

Couldn't force myself to watch past the end of the first season of Farscape, so that's out.

Loved what there was of Firefly, but there wasn't enough of it (and, frankly, I could have seen it going the way of Dollhouse as easily as going the way of Buffy, so maybe we were spared some pain).

Stargate SG-1 was a fun series, and I can understand why it is some peoples' favorite.  Not enough meat for me, though.

BSG started well, but devolved into self-indulgent and silly plot developments by the end of the second season, and never really recovered.

B5 started poorly but maintained enough discipline to finish the story as planned.  Character trumped story, which I liked.  In spite of some uneven acting, it ruled.

Deep Space Nine comes in second.  Lots of fluff in the series (it took nine seasons to tell about half the story B5 told in five seasons), but it still told a story and had enough serious and moving episodes that the fact that it also had the monumentally suckass character "Q" appear a few times didn't much taint it.

Quote from: grumbler on December 09, 2011, 01:34:08 PM
Deep Space Nine comes in second.  Lots of fluff in the series (it took nine seasons to tell about half the story B5 told in five seasons), but it still told a story and had enough serious and moving episodes that the fact that it also had the monumentally suckass character "Q" appear a few times didn't much taint it.

It had seven seasons not nine.
Q only appeared in one episode.

Quote from: KRonn on December 09, 2011, 12:09:38 PM
Voted Stargate.  I watched that show faithfully! Stargate SG1   :cool:

Yep same here.

Quote from: Cerr on December 09, 2011, 01:38:48 PM
Q only appeared in one episode.

I had remembered more than that, but since DS9 and TNG were airing at the same time at that point, am probably confusing a Q episode or two from TNG as being from DS9 eps.

No matter - as I said, not even having Q could ruin DS9 (except for the episode involved).

I can not decide between TOS, TNG, and DS9. :hmm:

Quote from: Cerr on December 09, 2011, 01:38:48 PM

Quote from: grumbler on December 09, 2011, 01:34:08 PM
Deep Space Nine comes in second.  Lots of fluff in the series (it took nine seasons to tell about half the story B5 told in five seasons), but it still told a story and had enough serious and moving episodes that the fact that it also had the monumentally suckass character "Q" appear a few times didn't much taint it.

It had seven seasons not nine.
Q only appeared in one episode.

Yeah, but wasn't his daughter with him, that counts as Q X2.

Always preferred STNG to DS9 myself.

Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2011, 03:13:45 PM
I can not decide between TOS, TNG, and DS9. :hmm:

I like TNG....so, odds are you like one of the others better.  :lol:

Quote from: Josephus on December 09, 2011, 03:44:12 PM

Quote from: Cerr on December 09, 2011, 01:38:48 PM

Quote from: grumbler on December 09, 2011, 01:34:08 PM
Deep Space Nine comes in second.  Lots of fluff in the series (it took nine seasons to tell about half the story B5 told in five seasons), but it still told a story and had enough serious and moving episodes that the fact that it also had the monumentally suckass character "Q" appear a few times didn't much taint it.

It had seven seasons not nine.
Q only appeared in one episode.

Yeah, but wasn't his daughter with him, that counts as Q X2.

No, but Vash (Picard's former love interest) did appear in the episode.

Quote from: Josephus on December 09, 2011, 03:44:45 PM

Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2011, 03:13:45 PM
I can not decide between TOS, TNG, and DS9. :hmm:

I like TNG....so, odds are you like one of the others better.  :lol:

I don't think we're nearly as opposed on everything as all that. :hug:

Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2011, 03:53:23 PM

Quote from: Josephus on December 09, 2011, 03:44:45 PM

Quote from: Barrister on December 09, 2011, 03:13:45 PM
I can not decide between TOS, TNG, and DS9. :hmm:

I like TNG....so, odds are you like one of the others better.  :lol:

I don't think we're nearly as opposed on everything as all that. :hug:

:cheers:

Group hug!  :hug:

I had to say Babylon 5.  But it's a close call, being an older show.

I'm watching reruns of Stargate Atlantis, and I love this show.

Battlestar Galactica was very good for 2.25 years.

I did like DS9 once it's picked up the pace.

I wonder if anyone voted for Terranova yet...


@Grumbler:
Q appeared more than one time in Voyager, almost as often as in TNG, maybe that's your confusion.

Quote from: viper37 on December 09, 2011, 04:21:18 PM
I wonder if anyone voted for Terranova yet...

No, because it sucks.

Outer Limits.

Stargate Atlantis > SG-1. Agree or disagree?

Yes, Carter was hot...but what else did it have. I got sick of those Egyptian God dudes early on...and the Ori were not much better. Atlantis was more focussed and the Canadian doctor was a great character. The wraith were nasty.

Thought it ended too quick.

X Files.  Scared me.  I watched a couple of episodes recently and they were still good.

I never saw the films.

The first film is OK, but it can't really be watched by itself, it fits nicely I think between seasons 5 and 6.

The second movie was shit.

DS9

Quote from: Josephus on December 09, 2011, 05:48:48 PM
Stargate Atlantis > SG-1. Agree or disagree?

Yes, Carter was hot...but what else did it have. I got sick of those Egyptian God dudes early on...and the Ori were not much better. Atlantis was more focussed and the Canadian doctor was a great character. The wraith were nasty.

Thought it ended too quick.

Jewel Staite?

Quote from: Josephus on December 09, 2011, 03:44:12 PM

Quote from: Cerr on December 09, 2011, 01:38:48 PM

Quote from: grumbler on December 09, 2011, 01:34:08 PM
Deep Space Nine comes in second.  Lots of fluff in the series (it took nine seasons to tell about half the story B5 told in five seasons), but it still told a story and had enough serious and moving episodes that the fact that it also had the monumentally suckass character "Q" appear a few times didn't much taint it.

It had seven seasons not nine.
Q only appeared in one episode.

Yeah, but wasn't his daughter with him, that counts as Q X2.

Always preferred STNG to DS9 myself.

I think what you and grumbles are probably thinking of are those filthy Voyager episodes with Q.  I like the one where there's a civil war in the Q Continuum and the Voyager crew goes in and everyone's dressed in ACW uniforms and OH GOD it was like Lettow and Tim jointly won a "be an executive producer for a day" contest.

Anyway, DS9, I suppose; despite its many, many weaknesses, it's the only serialized space opera that I can say is actually good.

BSG had a lot going for it, and would have been better, if not for the ending and--like g said--its own self-indulgence.

B5 I just can't take completely seriously because of the hilariously undermotivated antagonists (Vorlons and Shadows, respectively) and "Z'ha'dum"--that one where Sheridan jumps off a balcony for freedom--has dumbest Goddamned things I think I've ever seen happen all one after the other.  1. Alien race that is supposedly more advanced and intelligent permits enemy to retain access to orbiting weapons system while trying to pressure him? Check.  2. Alien race that explicitly built cities underground to resist orbital bombardment has 100 square kilometer window installed over city?  Check.  3. Guy survives calling a kinetic bombardment down upon his own head?  By jumping off a balcony?  Check.

After that, I was like, these Shadow clowns aren't really a threat, are they?  And they aren't.  They aren't beaten; they give up.

That said, it had its good turns, Londo being particularly great, and the Shadow ship design is one of my all-time faves.  But if I ever have to hear the word "walkabout" again I'm gonna set myself on fire.  Also, I hope JMS gets cancer for never finishing Squadron Supreme and also for driving the Superman franchise so far into the ground it had to be rebooted.

P.S. oh and Firefly was pretty good, if that counts as serialized space opera.  Don't know if it should, since it sure wasn't serialized much.  *Rimshot.*

I hate Bill Mumy.

Careful.  Think good thoughts.

No BSG "Neil" option ?  :hmm:  ;)

Que?

The only ones on the list I ever watched regularly were the original BSG and Buck Rogers from the 70's.  Athena and Cassiopeia were hotter than Wilma and Twiki so I have to go with the original BSG.

Quote from: sbr on December 09, 2011, 09:08:19 PM
Athena and Cassiopeia were hotter than Wilma

Err, what?

Firefly was the best thing ever.

Babylon 5  was barely tolerable poo

Quote from: Tyr on December 10, 2011, 01:26:21 AM
barely tolerable poo

Does not compute.

Quote from: Syt on December 10, 2011, 12:54:05 AM

Quote from: sbr on December 09, 2011, 09:08:19 PM
Athena and Cassiopeia were hotter than Wilma

Err, what?

You kinda gotta add the "and Twiki" part in there.

Quote from: Syt on December 10, 2011, 12:54:05 AM

Quote from: sbr on December 09, 2011, 09:08:19 PM
Athena and Cassiopeia were hotter than Wilma

Err, what?

Athena was smoking hot.

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 10, 2011, 02:29:08 AM

Quote from: Tyr on December 10, 2011, 01:26:21 AM
barely tolerable poo

Does not compute.

Probably because you, like me, don't eat poo.  His comment probably makes sense to fellow poo-eaters.

Voted TNG... but I'd say I'm more of an "any Trek" watcher. I'm that guy who enjoyed Enterprise. :nerd:

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Quote from: Syt on December 10, 2011, 12:54:05 AM

Quote from: sbr on December 09, 2011, 09:08:19 PM
Athena and Cassiopeia were hotter than Wilma

Err, what?

You kinda gotta add the "and Twiki" part in there.

Yeah, that's the only way the sentence makes sense.  Erin Gray was much hotter than Maren Jensen or Laurette Spang, but when you throw Twiki in there, the hottness average gets halved, and the BSG girls get in by the skin of their teeth.

I preferred Maren Jensen.

Quote from: grumbler on December 10, 2011, 07:26:04 PM

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Quote from: Syt on December 10, 2011, 12:54:05 AM

Quote from: sbr on December 09, 2011, 09:08:19 PM
Athena and Cassiopeia were hotter than Wilma

Err, what?

You kinda gotta add the "and Twiki" part in there.

Yeah, that's the only way the sentence makes sense.  Erin Gray was much hotter than Maren Jensen or Laurette Spang, but when you throw Twiki in there, the hottness average gets halved, and the BSG girls get in by the skin of their teeth.

I'd still choose Erin Gray and put Twiki in the corner.

But for this debate, a better comparison would be Wilma and Princess Ardala, not freakin' Twiki.

For me it was a difficult choice between Farscape and Babylon 5.   I only saw the first two seasons of Bablyon 5 and I cant get it streamed here in Canada to finish it.  I liked the early seasons of Bablyon 5 better than the early seasons of Farscape but I really liked how Farscape developed so Farscape by default I guess.

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Quote from: Syt on December 10, 2011, 12:54:05 AM

Quote from: sbr on December 09, 2011, 09:08:19 PM
Athena and Cassiopeia were hotter than Wilma

Err, what?

You kinda gotta add the "and Twiki" part in there.

Yeah, that's the only way the sentence makes sense.  Erin Gray was much hotter than Maren Jensen or Laurette Spang, but when you throw Twiki in there, the hottness average gets halved, and the BSG girls get in by the skin of their teeth.

I'd still choose Erin Gray and put Twiki in the corner.

But for this debate, a better comparison would be Wilma and Princess Ardala, not freakin' Twiki.

Ooh yeah I forgot about her.  Princess Ardala and Wilma are better than Athena and Cassiopeia, but Athena and Cassiopeia are better than Wilma and Twiki.  Athena is the hottest of the four.

X Files had monumental episodes.

Not even close to the other choices for me.

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 10, 2011, 02:29:08 AM

Quote from: Tyr on December 10, 2011, 01:26:21 AM
barely tolerable poo

Does not compute.

:unsure:
To say something is poo is pretty standard kid-speak. Barely tolerable is also a pretty standard insult for something which isn't very good.

Quote from: Zoupa on December 10, 2011, 10:46:02 PM
X Files had monumental episodes.

Not even close to the other choices for me.

I really enjoyed the X-files.  At least in the early seasons.  I lost interest after a while.

Quote from: Tyr on December 10, 2011, 11:06:25 PM
:unsure:
To say something is poo is pretty standard kid-speak. Barely tolerable is also a pretty standard insult for something which isn't very good.

I know what the words mean. They contradict each other. Something that is poo or shit is intolerable.

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 11, 2011, 04:00:13 AM

Quote from: Tyr on December 10, 2011, 11:06:25 PM
:unsure:
To say something is poo is pretty standard kid-speak. Barely tolerable is also a pretty standard insult for something which isn't very good.

I know what the words mean. They contradict each other. Something that is poo or shit is intolerable.

He likes good shit?

Quote from: Razgovory on December 11, 2011, 12:34:47 AM

Quote from: Zoupa on December 10, 2011, 10:46:02 PM
X Files had monumental episodes.

Not even close to the other choices for me.

I really enjoyed the X-files.  At least in the early seasons.  I lost interest after a while.

STill one of my favourite all time TV shows. Maybe it lost its way by Season 8, but even then it was still pretty good.

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 11, 2011, 04:00:13 AM

Quote from: Tyr on December 10, 2011, 11:06:25 PM
:unsure:
To say something is poo is pretty standard kid-speak. Barely tolerable is also a pretty standard insult for something which isn't very good.

I know what the words mean. They contradict each other. Something that is poo or shit is intolerable.

Insults do tend to invovle a fair bit of redundancy

Fringe is nice to watch.

Quote from: Josephus on December 11, 2011, 09:18:20 AM
STill one of my favourite all time TV shows. Maybe it lost its way by Season 8, but even then it was still pretty good.

It was a great show when it stayed away from what it was supposed to be about.  The episodes involving the conspiracy of silence tended to be silly, but those involving eldritch happenings tended to be outstanding.

I liked the main characters, especially because neither was played by anything like a "star."  Duchovny and Anderson were solid, workmanlike actors who were not trying to make themselves bigger than the show.

The show had lots of filler episodes, though, and more as time went on.  I stopped being interested long before the show stopped, though I did see selected recommended eps from the later years and enjoyed those.

Quote from: Zoupa on December 10, 2011, 10:46:02 PM
X Files had monumental episodes.

Not even close to the other choices for me.

Yeah, the X-Files was really incredible at times, even if it fall to pieces at the end.  I also really enjoyed DS9 and B5.

Quote from: Tyr on December 11, 2011, 09:20:05 AM

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 11, 2011, 04:00:13 AM

Quote from: Tyr on December 10, 2011, 11:06:25 PM
:unsure:
To say something is poo is pretty standard kid-speak. Barely tolerable is also a pretty standard insult for something which isn't very good.

I know what the words mean. They contradict each other. Something that is poo or shit is intolerable.

Insults do tend to invovle a fair bit of redundancy

The problem with your statement was not one of redundancy.

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Quote from: Tyr on December 11, 2011, 09:20:05 AM

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 11, 2011, 04:00:13 AM

Quote from: Tyr on December 10, 2011, 11:06:25 PM
:unsure:
To say something is poo is pretty standard kid-speak. Barely tolerable is also a pretty standard insult for something which isn't very good.

I know what the words mean. They contradict each other. Something that is poo or shit is intolerable.

Insults do tend to invovle a fair bit of redundancy

The problem with your statement was not one of redundancy.

Indeed.

X-files fans tend to be divided into two camps. Those that like the conspiracy episodes and those that like the stand-alone monster of the week.

I tend to be the former. I'll admit there were some inconsistencies in the conspiracy, and it started to lose focus and become silly. But I enjoyed the arc.

There were some really good stand alone eps, but then there were some real dogs as well.

I also liked the show when it had a sense of humour. There were one or two episodes each season that were just fun.

And then there was the one episode so controversial it never got syndicated beyond the original run (at least not then)...the episode with the inbed freaks and the crippled mother they kept under the bed/

Quote from: Josephus on December 11, 2011, 01:04:20 PM
And then there was the one episode so controversial it never got syndicated beyond the original run (at least not then)...the episode with the inbed freaks and the crippled mother they kept under the bed/

I remember that episode. It was controversial?

Quote from: The Brain on December 11, 2011, 01:45:16 PM

Quote from: Josephus on December 11, 2011, 01:04:20 PM
And then there was the one episode so controversial it never got syndicated beyond the original run (at least not then)...the episode with the inbed freaks and the crippled mother they kept under the bed/

I remember that episode. It was controversial?

It's considered impolitic to mention family life in the American South as a negative.

Quote from: The Brain on December 11, 2011, 01:45:16 PM

Quote from: Josephus on December 11, 2011, 01:04:20 PM
And then there was the one episode so controversial it never got syndicated beyond the original run (at least not then)...the episode with the inbed freaks and the crippled mother they kept under the bed/

I remember that episode. It was controversial?

Yeah. What Neil said and they never repeated that episode. I mean for American network TV 10 years ago, more?, showing disfigured sons impregnating their mother was a bit much.

Quote from: The Brain on December 11, 2011, 01:45:16 PM

Quote from: Josephus on December 11, 2011, 01:04:20 PM
And then there was the one episode so controversial it never got syndicated beyond the original run (at least not then)...the episode with the inbed freaks and the crippled mother they kept under the bed/

I remember that episode. It was controversial?

That was a bad ass episode.

In summary

    Outer Limits
   Yeah, I like it usually, its pretty alright, has some good episodes and some weak ones.
    Twilight Zone
     Less consistantly good than OL IIRC but still generally alright. I can't really call these anthology shows favourites.
    Star Trek TOS
     Never really liked it. Its just the American version of Dr.Who. Which is kind of funny- how seriously the later ST series got when it started as such a mad fantasy show.
    Star Trek TNG
I was too young for it when it was new but over the years I think I've watched most of the episodes and yeah, its generally pretty alright. Certainly not the best ever but perfectly fine TV. Usually
    Other Star Trek
Preferable to TOS and TNG. Voyager is what got me into ST, as an adult I now recognise DS9 to be the best. It is great.
    Battlestar Galactica
Its good but...I dunno, it just completely lacks soul. And dips hugely at points.
    Babylon 5
Not good at all. And I have tried. I watched it from the start. Struggled through the first series on the promise it would pick up. Stumbled through the second and into the third and realised "Wait...so this is the big awesome war I was waiting for?....This is freaking dull". I really don't see the appeal of this show at all.
    Stargate
SG1 I loved. At one time it was my favourite show. Just the right amount of not taking itself too seriously. As time went on and Earth got stupidly more powerful and enemies had to power up to cope...it weakened. But was still watchable.
Atlantis....myeh. Had its ups and downs but...took the sillyness too far. Maybe I was just too old for it by then.
Universe was rather dull.
    X-Files
        I've only ever seen one or two episodes. I really, really should start watching this from the beginning at some point.
    Farscape
       Couldn't get too into it- the crappy TV scheduling didn't help it but the show itself was also kind of lacking. Better than B5, not really a chore to watch, but it doesn't really keep pulling you back either.
    Firefly
       Best thing ever and the posterchild for all that is wrong with American TV. How dare you cancel firefly! Argh.
    Dr Who
        Not the best thing ever but certainly fun. Hard to really evaluate it objectivly given its huge place in popular culture.
    Lost
   There once was a time when I loved it. I remember I was nearly sick with anticipation between series 1 and 2. But...it really did trail off later on. I just don't get the ending.
    Fringe
Watched the first episode. Thought it utter shite.
   Terranova
Read the synopsis. Thought it utter shite.
    Buck Rogers
I'm sure I watched this is a kid but remember hardly anything.
Other
Dark Angel was cool. Doll House though it started meh got pretty good too. That BBC Outcasts thing sucked. Blakes 7 had its moments though I stalled on the second series. etc... etc...

You know, something that always bugged me a bit about Star Trek (though I do like the franchise) is how it was almost all of the time focused on the upper echelons of running a starship. The captain and bridge crew do everything, including dangerous exploration or front line missions. Sometimes makes you wonder what the other hundreds of people are doing all the time. Voyager was certainly extreme, having Paris be ace pilot, shuttle pilot, field medic, transporter chief more than once etc. And how often do you see Captain, first officer, and one or more of the other senior officers go on a dangerous mission together?

The TNG episode "Lower Decks" tried to break a mold somewhat, but I have to say, from the perspective of the lower ranks, the senior staff's antics and weird assignments would make me think I was doing duty in an insane ssylum.

Yeah, that always bothered me. Economics are different in the future, you don't have to work, yet people join star fleet for fun and excitement.
All well and good if you're flying around shagging beautiful alien women and running a starship...but what about the poor bugger scrubbing the jeffries tubes?

I doubt space travel would be so cheap that people on welfare could afford to gallivant around the galaxy.

Quote from: Syt on December 17, 2011, 03:04:00 AM
You know, something that always bugged me a bit about Star Trek (though I do like the franchise) is how it was almost all of the time focused on the upper echelons of running a starship. The captain and bridge crew do everything, including dangerous exploration or front line missions. Sometimes makes you wonder what the other hundreds of people are doing all the time. Voyager was certainly extreme, having Paris be ace pilot, shuttle pilot, field medic, transporter chief more than once etc. And how often do you see Captain, first officer, and one or more of the other senior officers go on a dangerous mission together?

The TNG episode "Lower Decks" tried to break a mold somewhat, but I have to say, from the perspective of the lower ranks, the senior staff's antics and weird assignments would make me think I was doing duty in an insane ssylum.

You just have to remember which of the bosses is possessed by a crystalline entity that week.

I would have liked to be able to take the Star Trek universe seriously but so much of it is motivated by 60s TV series considerations that I find it impossible.

Quote from: Tyr on December 17, 2011, 03:30:28 AM
Yeah, that always bothered me. Economics are different in the future, you don't have to work, yet people join star fleet for fun and excitement.
All well and good if you're flying around shagging beautiful alien women and running a starship...but what about the poor bugger scrubbing the jeffries tubes?

If anything the life of Kirk and Picard have more in common with Bayard and Guiscard than anybody else in history. This makes one wonder who the peasants are and, regardless of what this upper class thinks, if the peasants are really happy with their lot in life. Or if all the peasants are robots.

I dunno.  There was clearly a lot of potential for upward advancement.  Look at all those starships that got blown up that weren't Enterprise.  I assume an "up or dead" promotion model.

I know what you're saying Syt, but realistically you can't expect a TV show to have a cast of hundreds.

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 17, 2011, 03:38:16 AM
I doubt space travel would be so cheap that people on welfare could afford to gallivant around the galaxy.

Sure it could.  It's a post-scarcity economy.

Presumably even those machines that make food out of nothing need to be charged up and repaired sometimes.

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 17, 2011, 12:03:37 PM
Presumably even those machines that make food out of nothing need to be charged up and repaired sometimes.

Immigrants.

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 17, 2011, 12:03:37 PM
Presumably even those machines that make food out of nothing need to be charged up and repaired sometimes.

Geordi's job.

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 17, 2011, 12:03:37 PM
Presumably even those machines that make food out of nothing need to be charged up and repaired sometimes.

If you have machines that make food out of energy or raw molecules why wouldn't you just use the food making machine to make more food making machines when they break down?

Quote from: Viking on December 17, 2011, 01:19:55 PM

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 17, 2011, 12:03:37 PM
Presumably even those machines that make food out of nothing need to be charged up and repaired sometimes.

If you have machines that make food out of energy or raw molecules why wouldn't you just use the food making machine to make more food making machines when they break down?

Every generation of machines would have to be smaller than the previous one to fit in the output tray. Eventually you'd end up with tiny machines.

I kinda feel like we're leaving the realm of sci-fi for fantasy set in outer space at this point.

Quote from: The Brain on December 17, 2011, 01:25:54 PM

Quote from: Viking on December 17, 2011, 01:19:55 PM

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 17, 2011, 12:03:37 PM
Presumably even those machines that make food out of nothing need to be charged up and repaired sometimes.

If you have machines that make food out of energy or raw molecules why wouldn't you just use the food making machine to make more food making machines when they break down?

Every generation of machines would have to be smaller than the previous one to fit in the output tray. Eventually you'd end up with tiny machines.

no, you just have to make the next generation of machines can be made out of multiple smaller parts. In one sense the only skill geordi needs is the ability to read ikea style assembly instructions.

Quote from: Viking on December 17, 2011, 01:27:53 PM

Quote from: The Brain on December 17, 2011, 01:25:54 PM

Quote from: Viking on December 17, 2011, 01:19:55 PM

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 17, 2011, 12:03:37 PM
Presumably even those machines that make food out of nothing need to be charged up and repaired sometimes.

If you have machines that make food out of energy or raw molecules why wouldn't you just use the food making machine to make more food making machines when they break down?

Every generation of machines would have to be smaller than the previous one to fit in the output tray. Eventually you'd end up with tiny machines.

no, you just have to make the next generation of machines can be made out of multiple smaller parts. In one sense the only skill geordi needs is the ability to read ikea style assembly instructions.

Also, food making machines are not themselves food. A food making machine cannot make a food making machine.

Yeah, you need a food making machine making machine to do that.

well, both food and machines are stuff, the food making machines make stuff that is food out of molecules and energy. If you can make a cup of earl gray tea out of atoms you should be able to make dilithium crystals out of atoms.


Note: the atoms we find in food are pretty much all of the stable atoms we find in nature.

Quote from: Viking on December 17, 2011, 01:33:43 PM
well, both food and machines are stuff, the food making machines make stuff that is food out of molecules and energy. If you can make a cup of earl gray tea out of atoms you should be able to make dilithium crystals out of atoms.


Note: the atoms we find in food are pretty much all of the stable atoms we find in nature.

Dilithium crystals aren't food either.

Quote from: Ideologue on December 17, 2011, 01:31:01 PM
Yeah, you need a food making machine making machine to do that.

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I wish it wasn't "dilithium" and "ekaradon" or something instead.  I mean, "dilithium" means something.  "Ekaradon" means something too, but at least you can attribute made-up bullshit to it (well, you could have in the 1960s).

Quote from: Ideologue on December 17, 2011, 02:14:29 PM
I wish it wasn't "dilithium" and "ekaradon" or something instead.  I mean, "dilithium" means something.  "Ekaradon" means something too, but at least you can attribute made-up bullshit to it (well, you could have in the 1960s).

Your objection was answered before it was made:

Quote from: The Brain on December 17, 2011, 04:33:02 AM
I would have liked to be able to take the Star Trek universe seriously but so much of it is motivated by 60s TV series considerations that I find it impossible.