Better hurray up with those aircraft carriers Britain.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/8936750/Argentina-launches-naval-campaign-to-isolate-Falkland-Islands.html
QuoteArgentina launches naval campaign to isolate Falkland Islands
Argentina has launched a naval campaign to isolate the Falkland Islands that has seen it detain Spanish fishing vessels on suspicion of breaking the country's "blockade" of the seas around the British territories.
By Fergus MacErlean
8:28PM GMT 05 Dec 2011
Argentine patrol vessels have boarded 12 Spanish boats, operating under fishing licences issued by the Falkland Islands, for operating "illegally" in disputed waters in recent weeks.
Argentine patrol commanders carrying out interceptions near the South American coast told Spanish captains they were in violation of Argentina's "legal" blockade of sea channels to the Falklands.
The warning has been backed up in a letter to Aetinape, the Spanish fishing vessels association from the Argentine embassy in Madrid warning boats in the area that "Falklands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands and adjoining maritime spaces are an integral part of the Argentine territory."
The confrontation strategy targetting foreign boats marks an escalation of tensions in seas that Duke of Cambridge, a Flight Lieutenant with the RAF, is set to patrol during a tour of duty last year.
The Duke is to be deployed to the Falklands next February as part of a routine training duties. Commanders would face the dilemma of despatching the Royal to take part in an operations to monitor or contain the Argentine challenge.
President Cristina Kirchner has adopted a steadily more beligerent stance towards Britain's South Atlantic possessions.
A newly formed gathering of South American nations meeting in Venezeula backed Argentina's sovereignty demands at the weekend.
Argentina's claim over the Falklands was backed by a newly formed block of South American and Caribbean countries, CELAC, on Saturday with unanimous approval. Mrs Kirchner used the last UN General Assembly meeting to put Argentina's claims of sovereignty over the Falklands on a par with Palestinian claims to statehood.
But it is the Falklands economic lifeline that has been most affected by Argentinian manoeurving.
It announced permits were required by all ships using Argentine waters en route to the Falklands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, all of which are UK controlled.
Argentina declared vessels were "operating illegally" in the South Atlantic if they did not request permission to enter Argentine waters. The authorities declared their willingness "to put an end to all those illegal fishing activities".
The vessels, from Galicia, were boarded as they were making their way across the huge Rio de la Plata estuary, which separates Argentina and Uruguay, before off-loading their catches in Montevideo, Uruguay.
Mrs Kirchner, 58, has also threatened to suspend a vital Falklands air link — the only one off the islands — which was established in a 1999 deal between the UK and Argentina unless Britain entered into talks leading to sovereignty negotiations.
A Foreign Office spokesman said Britain had lodged an official complaint about the Argentine action. "We are aware that Argentina has recently challenged vessels transiting between the Falklands and the port of Montevideo," the spokesman said. "The UK has protested to Argentina. We consider that it is not compliant with international law, including the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.
Mike Summers, a member of the Falkland Islands legislative assembly, said Argentina was trying to cut the Islands off from the South American mainland. "The Falkland Islands Government has no doubt about its right to issue licenses to foreign companies to fish in its waters," he said. "There have been other difficulties in recent months with Falklands flagged vessels seeking to use South American ports; Argentina seeks to prevail on its neighbours to implement its foreign policy for it, by denying access to their ports for vessels doing business in the Falklands."
Don't know why the Argentinians are rushing things. Our carriers won't be fully operational until 2030.
Quote from: PJL on December 06, 2011, 02:21:55 PM
Don't know why the Argentinians are rushing things. Our carriers won't be fully operational until 2030.
They know Obama hates the Brits and won't help them and they're worried he might lose the election. :tinfoil:
Time for Trident to prove its worth.
It begins :ph34r:
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They sense that the Empire died decades ago, and like the Germanics before them seek to pick over the corpse.
Argentina really, really needs to find a new hobby.
Quote from: Neil on December 06, 2011, 02:31:23 PM
Time for Trident to prove its worth.
Yes, they should sell it to the Argies, so that it kicks off a Latin American arms race and BAE profits all the way to the bank. :hmm:
Quote from: mongers on December 06, 2011, 05:19:00 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 06, 2011, 02:31:23 PM
Time for Trident to prove its worth.
Yes, they should sell it to the Argies, so that it kicks off a Latin American arms race and BAE profits all the way to the bank. :hmm:
As the populace has no desire to carry Argentinian passports, and Argentina's claim to the Falklands is roughly as good as my claim to the throne of Scotland, I'd think the answer is clear.
Quote from: AnchorClanker on December 06, 2011, 05:27:59 PM
Quote from: mongers on December 06, 2011, 05:19:00 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 06, 2011, 02:31:23 PM
Time for Trident to prove its worth.
Yes, they should sell it to the Argies, so that it kicks off a Latin American arms race and BAE profits all the way to the bank. :hmm:
As the populace has no desire to carry Argentinian passports, and Argentina's claim to the Falklands is roughly as good as my claim to the throne of Scotland, I'd think the answer is clear.
No, no, I meant sell Trident to the Argies.
:lol:
Interesting proposal. I doubt that it would go over well in Port Stanley, though. :bowler:
The secret of Trident is a sacred trust of the Anglo people, given to us by English-Speaking God. (Or Lockheed. Whatever.)
C'mon argies! Seize an American ship. PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE. TV is so boring.
Can't blame the Argies... Falklands being such an important, strategic sheep raising locale.
Is there any oil in the Falklands?? :hmm:
We can use Argentinians as biofuel.
Quote from: KRonn on December 06, 2011, 06:22:25 PM
Can't blame the Argies... Falklands being such an important, strategic sheep raising locale.
Is there any oil in the Falklands?? :hmm:
Yeah, there's been talk of that recently.
Quote from: Ideologue on December 06, 2011, 06:23:36 PM
We can use Argentinians as biofuel.
No blood for greasy spic biofuel. Use Ohio corn instead.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2011, 07:23:24 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on December 06, 2011, 06:23:36 PM
We can use Argentinians as biofuel.
No blood for greasy spic biofuel. Use Ohio corn instead.
Biofuel is stupid, and you're a terrible person for advocating it.
The supply of petroleum is perfectly adequate if the world's population was reduced to a stable fifty million.
Quote from: Neil on December 06, 2011, 07:44:33 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2011, 07:23:24 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on December 06, 2011, 06:23:36 PM
We can use Argentinians as biofuel.
No blood for greasy spic biofuel. Use Ohio corn instead.
Biofuel is stupid, and you're a terrible person for advocating it.
Terribly...profitable. $$ :menace:
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2011, 07:54:50 PM
Terribly...profitable. $$ :menace:
But only in the short term.
Quote from: KRonn on December 06, 2011, 06:22:25 PM
Can't blame the Argies... Falklands being such an important, strategic sheep raising locale.
Is there any oil in the Falklands?? :hmm:
Yes, which the Argentinians refused to share thus delaying exploration until very recently when the Brits said "oh screw it, if they don't want freebies then so be it" and started work.
The Brits certainly have a habit of sticking around in countries they don't belong in.
Quote from: Neil on December 06, 2011, 08:21:38 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2011, 07:54:50 PM
Terribly...profitable. $$ :menace:
But only in the short term.
All things are short term. At least for human beings.
By the way, I thought I'd read that Argentinian military capabilities had decayed even more than Britain's since the 80s, can they actually really do much more than this?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 06, 2011, 09:18:23 PM
By the way, I thought I'd read that Argentinian military capabilities had decayed even more than Britain's since the 80s, can they actually really do much more than this?
Doesn't matter. They don't have to go as far.
Playing the war in Harpoon (the miniatures one, not the PC shit) was a blast.
Well if they have a go at this time, hopefully the Argentines will remember to flick the "on" switch to their Exocets before shooting them off.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2011, 09:34:32 PM
Playing the war in Harpoon (the miniatures one, not the PC shit) was a blast.
Did you ever get the South American War supplement?
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Not only is it a great supplement for the mini system, but a fantastic overall read on the conflict in general.
Quote from: Razgovory on December 06, 2011, 09:37:29 PM
Well if they have a go at this time, hopefully the Argentines will remember to flick the "on" switch to their Exocets before shooting them off.
I thought they performed very well with those *, it was the iron bombs ** they had trouble with.
* because they had french technicians helping them, allegedly.
** couldn't be arsed to read the two page vietnam era bomb arming instructions, urban myth.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 06, 2011, 09:39:51 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 06, 2011, 09:34:32 PM
Playing the war in Harpoon (the miniatures one, not the PC shit) was a blast.
Did you ever get the South American War supplement?
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Not only is it a great supplement for the mini system, but a fantastic overall read on the conflict in general.
The old GDW one.
I raped the rules holes in that one.
Me:Can I stage those trainers through the falklands?
Them: *looks* I guess it is okay.
Me: :menace: *bombs the Brits with trainers with small bombs*
Me: BWHAHAHAHAHA!
Quote from: mongers on December 06, 2011, 09:42:16 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 06, 2011, 09:37:29 PM
Well if they have a go at this time, hopefully the Argentines will remember to flick the "on" switch to their Exocets before shooting them off.
I thought they performed very well with those *, it was the iron bombs ** they had trouble with.
* because they had french technicians helping them, allegedly.
** couldn't be arsed to read the two page vietnam era bomb arming instructions, urban myth.
France started helping out the Brits about exocet's specs and capabilities as soon as the conflict started. Don't gimme that crap.
Aerospatiale should have built self-destruct devices in like they do in Bond films or comic books. Infeasible? Probably. But it'd have been a hoot, Mirages popping in the air like soap bubbles.
Quote from: Ideologue on December 07, 2011, 12:49:53 AM
Aerospatiale should have built self-destruct devices in like they do in Bond films or comic books. Infeasible? Probably. But it'd have been a hoot, Mirages popping in the air like soap bubbles.
Probably wouldn't have helped with future sales, I imagine.
Quote from: Zoupa on December 07, 2011, 12:31:00 AMFrance started helping out the Brits about exocet's specs and capabilities as soon as the conflict started. Don't gimme that crap.
Yep. According to British figures France was our most reliable and helpful ally in the Falklands :)
Quote from: Jacob on December 07, 2011, 01:24:12 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on December 07, 2011, 12:49:53 AM
Aerospatiale should have built self-destruct devices in like they do in Bond films or comic books. Infeasible? Probably. But it'd have been a hoot, Mirages popping in the air like soap bubbles.
Probably wouldn't have helped with future sales, I imagine.
Especially for those tight-fitting coats with the fur liner on the hood.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 06, 2011, 02:18:52 PM
Better hurray up with those aircraft carriers Britain.
No point, we don't have the aircraft to fly off them.
Also, "Hurray for aircraft carriers!" :P
Carriers are merely luxury. You have strong fundamentals. That is, you have SSBNs.
Quote from: Brazen on December 07, 2011, 06:07:29 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 06, 2011, 02:18:52 PM
Better hurray up with those aircraft carriers Britain.
No point, we don't have the aircraft to fly off them.
Also, "Hurray for aircraft carriers!" :P
Participating in the F-35 project with the Americans was probably a bad idea.
The F-35 was a bad idea.
Quote from: KRonn on December 06, 2011, 06:22:25 PM
Can't blame the Argies... Falklands being such an important, strategic sheep raising locale.
It is the only part of their country their government hasn't screwed up.
Why don't the UK and Argentina just handle this in a civil manner? Have a soccer game to decide and then fight over, like usual for soccer nations. ;)
Quote from: KRonn on December 07, 2011, 05:20:10 PM
Why don't the UK and Argentina just handle this in a civil manner? Have a soccer game to decide and then fight over, like usual for soccer nations. ;)
England might want to stick with its military.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj6ns2ctD6A
Britain's military may be in a dodgy place right now but Argentina's is far worse. Considering we actually have defenses in the Falklands these days they'd never take them in the first place, there's no real need for a carrier down there.
There is an airbase there nowadays, so, rhetoric aside, I think it would be much tougher for the Argies than last time. Of course we did have Mrs Thatcher in power back then, the only British PM with balls since Churchill :hmm:
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on December 08, 2011, 02:32:05 AM
There is an airbase there nowadays, so, rhetoric aside, I think it would be much tougher for the Argies than last time. Of course we did have Mrs Thatcher in power back then, the only British PM with balls since Churchill :hmm:
An airbase works both ways. It can be used to stop an invasion. It can also be used to stop an attempt to retake the island. Imagine if the Argentines could operate jet fighters out of the Falklands in 1982 :ph34r: