QuoteBreaking News2:36pm UK, Sunday December 04, 2011
Iran TV: US Drone Shot Down By Military
2:36pm UK, Sunday December 04, 2011
Iran's military has shot down an unmanned US aircraft over the east of the country, state TV has reported.
"Iran's military has downed an intruding RQ-170 American drone in eastern Iran," Iran's Arabic-language Al Alam state television network quoted an unnamed military source as saying.
A report on English-language Press TV said the drone was "downed with minimum damage" and seized by Iranian officials.
The RQ-170 Sentinel is an unmanned stealth aircraft used for reconnaissance. It is not designed to carry weapons.
There was no immediate comment on the claims from the US military.
More to follow...
:mellow:
So?
Non-Gary Powers will be non-paraded. :(
Quote from: Razgovory on December 04, 2011, 09:43:53 AM
So?
Seems surprising. Is it different from the ones used in Pakistan or is it that the Pakistanis have, so far, been restrained on this?
I thought they were very difficult to shoot down.
I guess this was no surprise when I saw this on the news. I have to assume the US and maybe others have drones operating in Iran, so certainly Iran is looking for them.
Show me.
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 04, 2011, 10:25:32 AM
Seems surprising. Is it different from the ones used in Pakistan or is it that the Pakistanis have, so far, been restrained on this?
I thought they were very difficult to shoot down.
Why surprising? Something very difficult to down can still be downed (it could have mechanical difficulties, for instance, or the shooters get a golden BB). One event doesn't create a trend.
Isn't the entire point of unmanned drones so that when someone occasionally brings one down, or they go down due to some mechanical issue we can say "Gee, isn't that too bad - lets send another drone to see what happened to the wreckage..."
I guess it depends on how many secrets are on that drone. It would suck if one downing would close the technology gap by a couple of years.
Quote from: DGuller on December 04, 2011, 12:13:31 PM
I guess it depends on how many secrets are on that drone. It would suck if one downing would close the technology gap by a couple of years.
Up until the first guy touches it and it goes BOOM!
Quote from: DGuller on December 04, 2011, 12:13:31 PM
I guess it depends on how many secrets are on that drone. It would suck if one downing would close the technology gap by a couple of years.
Iran discovers......MUSIC!
Their words are now backed by techno beats.
I hope it landed intact and the remote controller guys are watching the TV feed of their drone being hauled into a top secret Iranian facility.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 04, 2011, 12:21:51 PM
Quote from: DGuller on December 04, 2011, 12:13:31 PM
I guess it depends on how many secrets are on that drone. It would suck if one downing would close the technology gap by a couple of years.
Iran discovers......MUSIC!
Their words are now backed by techno beats.
I loled :D
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 04, 2011, 12:21:51 PM
Quote from: DGuller on December 04, 2011, 12:13:31 PM
I guess it depends on how many secrets are on that drone. It would suck if one downing would close the technology gap by a couple of years.
Iran discovers......MUSIC!
Their words are now backed by techno beats.
:lol:
Well-played.
If the loss of a drone was something that would close the tech gap by years, they wouldn't be flying them.
Besides,they lead in flying carpet technology.
Quote from: Tamas on December 04, 2011, 12:30:20 PM
I hope it landed intact and the remote controller guys are watching the TV feed of their drone being hauled into a top secret Iranian facility.
Probably a tracking device in the drone, and in a few days the news will show another story of explosions at an Iranian military site. Such events seem to have happened a few times lately. :hmm:
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 04, 2011, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 04, 2011, 09:43:53 AM
So?
Seems surprising. Is it different from the ones used in Pakistan or is it that the Pakistanis have, so far, been restrained on this?
I thought they were very difficult to shoot down.
They are suppose to be hard to spot, not hard to shoot down. Once it has been located the Iranians can probably sent a plane up to shoot it down. A heat seeking missile would probably do the trick as well.
So does this give us a CB to shoot down another airliner?
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Why are you doing that?
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Okay, we need a rule where Siegy can't post pictures.
Stop that, you stupid Jew.
Quote from: Razgovory on December 04, 2011, 04:27:22 PM
Okay, we need a rule where Siegy can't post pictures.
Oh, that.
Ok, I won't post more pictures.
Quote from: Siege on December 04, 2011, 04:30:12 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 04, 2011, 04:27:22 PM
Okay, we need a rule where Siegy can't post pictures.
Oh, that.
Ok, I won't post more pictures.
No, you won't. Not for about 24 hours.
Your ass: done be pogrom'd.
Lol.
Quote from: KRonn on December 04, 2011, 01:19:14 PM
Quote from: Tamas on December 04, 2011, 12:30:20 PM
I hope it landed intact and the remote controller guys are watching the TV feed of their drone being hauled into a top secret Iranian facility.
Probably a tracking device in the drone, and in a few days the news will show another story of explosions at an Iranian military site. Such events seem to have happened a few times lately. :hmm:
That would be ingenious... :ph34r:
Considering the way things have gone for the Iranians, it's quite possible the drone crashed and killed a scientist.
Quote from: Razgovory on December 04, 2011, 02:04:40 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on December 04, 2011, 10:25:32 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 04, 2011, 09:43:53 AM
So?
Seems surprising. Is it different from the ones used in Pakistan or is it that the Pakistanis have, so far, been restrained on this?
I thought they were very difficult to shoot down.
They are suppose to be hard to spot, not hard to shoot down. Once it has been located the Iranians can probably sent a plane up to shoot it down. A heat seeking missile would probably do the trick as well.
A halfway decent AA gun should do the trick.
They fly pretty high. I don't know how high AA guns fire. I imagine it has a very high flight ceiling, probably out of range for most AA guns (which are mostly for hitting helicopters today).
May or may not have somethimg to do with this report fromlast week:
QuoteIRGC equipped with advanced air defence cannons
Iran has equipped its Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) Aerospace Force with several 100mm air defence cannons, known as Sa'eer, to improve the unit's air defence capabilities, Iranian defence minister brigadier general Ahmad Vahidi said.
The 100mm Sa'eer air defence automatic medium-range system features a radar-optic interception system and can fire 12 to 15 shells per minute with improved precision at targets without crew intervention.
Iran has also equipped its air defence unit sentinels with advanced shoulder-fired rocket launchers to boost its air defence capability.
Quote from: Razgovory on December 05, 2011, 10:13:28 AM
They fly pretty high. I don't know how high AA guns fire. I imagine it has a very high flight ceiling, probably out of range for most AA guns (which are mostly for hitting helicopters today).
You would imagine wrong.
Quote from: Brazen on December 05, 2011, 10:37:50 AM
May or may not have somethimg to do with this report fromlast week:
QuoteIRGC equipped with advanced air defence cannons
Iran has equipped its Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) Aerospace Force with several 100mm air defence cannons, known as Sa'eer, to improve the unit's air defence capabilities, Iranian defence minister brigadier general Ahmad Vahidi said.
The 100mm Sa'eer air defence automatic medium-range system features a radar-optic interception system and can fire 12 to 15 shells per minute with improved precision at targets without crew intervention.
Iran has also equipped its air defence unit sentinels with advanced shoulder-fired rocket launchers to boost its air defence capability.
Woo. 100 whole millimetres. The decadant west cannot resist such mighty Persian guns. Their shells shall blot out the sun.
Quote from: Alcibiades on December 05, 2011, 12:17:56 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 05, 2011, 10:13:28 AM
They fly pretty high. I don't know how high AA guns fire. I imagine it has a very high flight ceiling, probably out of range for most AA guns (which are mostly for hitting helicopters today).
You would imagine wrong.
If Kraut 88s could shoot up our boys in B-25s then today's superguns and certainly shoot down a remote controlled bird or two.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on December 05, 2011, 12:47:22 PM
If Kraut 88s could shoot up our boys in B-25s then today's superguns and certainly shoot down a remote controlled bird or two.
Agreed, but those WERE Germans.
Quote from: fahdiz on December 05, 2011, 12:52:20 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on December 05, 2011, 12:47:22 PM
If Kraut 88s could shoot up our boys in B-25s then today's superguns and certainly shoot down a remote controlled bird or two.
Agreed, but those WERE Germans.
I think the Iranians, by way of their Chinese suppliers, can build at least as well as the jerries oculd 60 years ago.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on December 05, 2011, 12:54:11 PM
I think the Iranians, by way of their Chinese suppliers, can build at least as well as the jerries oculd 60 years ago.
Sure, but can they shoot as well? :D
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on December 05, 2011, 12:47:22 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on December 05, 2011, 12:17:56 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 05, 2011, 10:13:28 AM
They fly pretty high. I don't know how high AA guns fire. I imagine it has a very high flight ceiling, probably out of range for most AA guns (which are mostly for hitting helicopters today).
You would imagine wrong.
If Kraut 88s could shoot up our boys in B-25s then today's superguns and certainly shoot down a remote controlled bird or two.
Yeah, but 88's (and the 128s), can't shoot as high as a modern plane can fly. Those drones can fly 50-60 thousands feet up in the air. Those AA guns couldn't shoot that high. Most countries phased out the big AA guns. It's not like anyone was intending to fight over a 500 bomber raid anymore, and those old FLaK guns worked en mass. Missiles are much more effective.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 05, 2011, 12:19:38 PM
Quote from: Brazen on December 05, 2011, 10:37:50 AM
May or may not have somethimg to do with this report fromlast week:
QuoteIRGC equipped with advanced air defence cannons
Iran has equipped its Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) Aerospace Force with several 100mm air defence cannons, known as Sa'eer, to improve the unit's air defence capabilities, Iranian defence minister brigadier general Ahmad Vahidi said.
The 100mm Sa'eer air defence automatic medium-range system features a radar-optic interception system and can fire 12 to 15 shells per minute with improved precision at targets without crew intervention.
Iran has also equipped its air defence unit sentinels with advanced shoulder-fired rocket launchers to boost its air defence capability.
Woo. 100 whole millimetres. The decadant west cannot resist such mighty Persian guns. Their shells shall blot out the sun.
They also have very large catapults and AA Ballista to defend their airspace.
The RQ-170 is not a high-altitude drone. It is a photo (and, perhaps, video) platform, so would go low enough to see things.
If it does use video, then it could be redirected even lower to investigate sightings of interest. We don't need to hypothesize any miraculous Iranian capabilities to account for their ability to shoot it down. If that's what happened.
I still think there is a chance that it just fell out of the sky.
Zoroaster farted and the drone fell to earth.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/julian-borger-global-security-blog/2011/dec/05/julian-borger-security-iran
LOL
Nice find.
Quote from: Ed Anger on December 05, 2011, 07:46:54 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/julian-borger-global-security-blog/2011/dec/05/julian-borger-security-iran
LOL
That's actually just downright depressing. I can only imagine how many antiques were in there total.
"We must wire Von Ribbentrop immediately!"
Quote from: grumbler on December 05, 2011, 05:13:25 PM
The RQ-170 is not a high-altitude drone. It is a photo (and, perhaps, video) platform, so would go low enough to see things.
If it does use video, then it could be redirected even lower to investigate sightings of interest. We don't need to hypothesize any miraculous Iranian capabilities to account for their ability to shoot it down. If that's what happened.
This drone is supposed to be one of the most advanced tech drones the US has, way more advanced than other drones. Could be a treasure trove for Iran, or actually Russia and China. If so, I'm a bit bummed that the US was using such an advanced drone over a nation that had the ability to shoot it down.
I am amused when Siege goes on one of his photoshop posting jags.
Quote from: KRonn on December 05, 2011, 08:48:43 PM
This drone is supposed to be one of the most advanced tech drones the US has, way more advanced than other drones. Could be a treasure trove for Iran, or actually Russia and China. If so, I'm a bit bummed that the US was using such an advanced drone over a nation that had the ability to shoot it down.
The drone had no tech that the US wouldn't want to fall into hostile hands. That's the nature of drones - they are expendable. That's why you use them for missions like this.
Quote from: grumbler on December 05, 2011, 10:33:00 PM
Quote from: KRonn on December 05, 2011, 08:48:43 PM
This drone is supposed to be one of the most advanced tech drones the US has, way more advanced than other drones. Could be a treasure trove for Iran, or actually Russia and China. If so, I'm a bit bummed that the US was using such an advanced drone over a nation that had the ability to shoot it down.
The drone had no tech that the US wouldn't want to fall into hostile hands. That's the nature of drones - they are expendable. That's why you use them for missions like this.
It would be silly to load mega ultra secret tech onto a remote control plane that will be flying over enemy territory wouldn't it?
Quote from: grumbler on December 05, 2011, 10:33:00 PM
Quote from: KRonn on December 05, 2011, 08:48:43 PM
This drone is supposed to be one of the most advanced tech drones the US has, way more advanced than other drones. Could be a treasure trove for Iran, or actually Russia and China. If so, I'm a bit bummed that the US was using such an advanced drone over a nation that had the ability to shoot it down.
The drone had no tech that the US wouldn't want to fall into hostile hands. That's the nature of drones - they are expendable. That's why you use them for missions like this.
When you're so far ahead in technology, is there even a thing that you wouldn't mind falling into enemy hands, other than live ordnance? I'm sure even a turd coil from an American spec-ops soldier would be worth something to Iranians.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on December 05, 2011, 10:46:23 PM
It would be silly to load mega ultra secret tech onto a remote control plane that will be flying over enemy territory wouldn't it?
Yes, but the hand-wringers must wring hands.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 05, 2011, 09:36:24 PM
I am amused when Siege goes on one of his photoshop posting jags.
This one was pretty funny.
Quote from: DGuller on December 05, 2011, 10:46:53 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 05, 2011, 10:33:00 PM
Quote from: KRonn on December 05, 2011, 08:48:43 PM
This drone is supposed to be one of the most advanced tech drones the US has, way more advanced than other drones. Could be a treasure trove for Iran, or actually Russia and China. If so, I'm a bit bummed that the US was using such an advanced drone over a nation that had the ability to shoot it down.
The drone had no tech that the US wouldn't want to fall into hostile hands. That's the nature of drones - they are expendable. That's why you use them for missions like this.
When you're so far ahead in technology, is there even a thing that you wouldn't mind falling into enemy hands, other than live ordnance? I'm sure even a turd coil from an American spec-ops soldier would be worth something to Iranians.
Well shit. By that logic we'd be afraid to orbit a satellite over enemy nations since it could conceivably land.
Well there is likely some sensitive material on the craft. Most likely encryption devices and software, but that is expected to fall into enemy hands from time to time. Not really a big loss.
And the Chinese have likley already stolen that stuff. Hell, the drone was probably assembled in China.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on December 05, 2011, 10:46:23 PM
Quote from: grumbler on December 05, 2011, 10:33:00 PM
Quote from: KRonn on December 05, 2011, 08:48:43 PM
This drone is supposed to be one of the most advanced tech drones the US has, way more advanced than other drones. Could be a treasure trove for Iran, or actually Russia and China. If so, I'm a bit bummed that the US was using such an advanced drone over a nation that had the ability to shoot it down.
The drone had no tech that the US wouldn't want to fall into hostile hands. That's the nature of drones - they are expendable. That's why you use them for missions like this.
It would be silly to load mega ultra secret tech onto a remote control plane that will be flying over enemy territory wouldn't it?
I would think you're right, and hope so. We lost a stealth fighter over Serbia and that tech wound up in Russian and Chinese hands, and maybe more but doubtful most nations can build anything with the tech.
The Chinese most likely have already stolen 17 different copies of blueprints for every drone the US has.
As for the Iranians, they were never able to figure out how to build spare parts to keep their late 70s vintage F-14s flying, so I think panicking over the imminent arrival of Ayatollah drones over LA is probably an over-reaction.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 06, 2011, 12:57:01 PM
As for the Iranians, they were never able to figure out how to build spare parts to keep their late 70s vintage F-14s flying...
Not since super-patriot LCOL Oliver North USMC stopped secretly and illegally selling them the parts, no.
And yes, I am still bitter that the Iranians had enough pull to get their traitor pardoned, rather than hanged. The US didn't even get a
quid pro quo for any Iranians that helped us out. Iran kept Ollie out of jail for free. :mad:
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 06, 2011, 12:57:01 PM
The Chinese most likely have already stolen 17 different copies of blueprints for every drone the US has.
As for the Iranians, they were never able to figure out how to build spare parts to keep their late 70s vintage F-14s flying, so I think panicking over the imminent arrival of Ayatollah drones over LA is probably an over-reaction.
I'm not worried at all about Iranian drones, just curious about the possibility of any advanced tech that has been gotten hold of. Iran can't likely use it anytime soon, but they'll sell/give it like the Serbs did the stealth plane info. One of the US' advantages is technology.
Quote from: grumbler on December 06, 2011, 01:06:59 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 06, 2011, 12:57:01 PM
As for the Iranians, they were never able to figure out how to build spare parts to keep their late 70s vintage F-14s flying...
Not since super-patriot LCOL Oliver North USMC stopped secretly and illegally selling them the parts, no.
And yes, I am still bitter that the Iranians had enough pull to get their traitor pardoned, rather than hanged. The US didn't even get a quid pro quo for any Iranians that helped us out. Iran kept Ollie out of jail for free. :mad:
America has a few simple rules.
If you are a Red and you betray your country, you get the chair.
If you are a John Bircher-type and betray your country, you get your own radio or TV talk show.
In ther first case, the traitor is punished, in the second only his listeners are.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 06, 2011, 01:34:32 PM
America has a few simple rules.
If you are a Red and you betray your country, you get the chair.
If you are a John Bircher-type and betray your country, you get your own radio or TV talk show.
In the first case, the traitor is punished, in the second only his listeners are.
You're comparing nukes to F-14s?
Obama: Please give back our drone. thx
Iran is now claiming they brought it down with mad hacker skilz.
I'd be more inclined to believe the thing was carrying a stuxnet payload and was crashed there deliberately in the hopes the Iranians will try to plug it in. :P
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 12, 2011, 06:51:55 PM
Iran is now claiming they brought it down with mad hacker skilz.
lolz. WE WILL DROWN OUT THE SUN WITH OUR MALWARE.
So it looks like Iran doesn't want to give it back (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/obama-asks-iran-rq-170-sentinel-drone-back/story?id=15140133#.TuaiNtUZ-7s).
Quote
A senior Iranian military commander, however, said on Iranian television Sunday that not only would Iran not turn over the drone, but warned of a "bigger response" to the "hostile act" of crossing into Iranian airspace.
"No one returns the symbol of aggression to the party that sought secret and vital intelligence related to the national security of a country," Iranian Islamic Revolution Guards Corps [IRGC] Lt. Commander Gen. Hossein Salami said, according to Iran's Fars News Agency.
So...can we just hit it with a cruise missile before they hand it over to the Chinese?
Skip the middle man, and hit the Chinese embassy. Just like the good ole days.
Looks like Iran has released some images. The drone looks to be in pretty good shape. I guess it either glided down, or maybe there is something to what the Iranians say about hacking.
You know what can't be hacked? An LGM-30.
Quote from: Razgovory on December 13, 2011, 08:35:20 AM
Looks like Iran has released some images. The drone looks to be in pretty good shape. I guess it either glided down, or maybe there is something to what the Iranians say about hacking.
Too bad it won't still run, and respond to commands. :shifty: