http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/15/dan-savage-glitterbombed-irvine-_n_1095354.html
QuoteAfter being glitterbombed for the second time in a month, sex columnist and gay rights advocate Dan Savage has fired back against reports alleging he used transphobic language while speaking prior to the stunt.
Following accusations that he provoked the attack by using the terms "shemale" and "freaky tranny porn" while appearing at the University of California Irvine during a taping of his MTV series "Savage U.," Savage took to his blog in response. "I did say "shemale," Savage wrote, noting that the word had been included on an anonymous Q&A card submitted by an audience member. "I read the question as-written, repeated the term in my response, and then used 'transexual' in place of 'shemale'modeling the use of less offensive terms, before circling back to 'shemale' in order to unpack why some find it offensive. I never used the phrase 'freaky tranny porn.'"
Savage went on to note: "I never said the word 'tranny' at UCI at all; indeed, I've made a conscious effort to stop using 'tranny' after the memo went out last year declaring the word an off-limits 'hate term.'"
As for use of the term "freaky boy," Savage insisted it wasn't meant in a derogatory fashion. "...Anyone who reads my column knows that I'm pro-freak, pro-kink, pro-porn, pro-just-about-everything," he said. "I'm a freak myself, as I've said numerous times, I married a freak, some of my best friends are freaks." He concluded, "If I'm the enemy of trans people everywhere, trans people everywhere could use more enemies like me."
The original Bilerico report notes that two individuals threw glitter on Savage, yelling "Transphobe!" Savage was said to have laughed off the stunt, adding, "I'm used to it." OC Weekly reports that one of the two individuals, who may or may not have been students, has been arrested in connection with the incident.
The UC Irvine incident comes just weeks after Savage was glitterbombed during a previous taping at the University of Oregon. He has faced numerous allegations of both being transphobic and biased against bisexuals in the past, after his earlier use of the terms "shemale" and "tranny" in several of his "Savage Love" columns.
Apparently Dan Savage isn't liberal enough. -_-
QuoteIf I'm the enemy of trans people everywhere, trans people everywhere could use more enemies like me.
No shit.
Would he survive a glitternuke?
I don't understand any of this. Or want to. But I posted anyways for my fanbase.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 15, 2011, 06:22:36 PM
I don't understand any of this. Or want to. But I posted anyways for my fanbase.
Chicks with dicks poured shiny stuff on a famous homosexual man.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 15, 2011, 06:44:36 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 15, 2011, 06:22:36 PM
I don't understand any of this. Or want to. But I posted anyways for my fanbase.
Chicks with dicks poured shiny stuff on a famous homosexual man.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing.
Bad, in this case, although not catastrophically so.
Very, very bad. There is no greater insult in the tranniverse.
I'm pro-transfat.
I read his column in a shitty little indie paper that sits on a rack next to the bench were I eat lunch. This is one of my favorites from last week:
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=10653210 (http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=10653210)
QuoteI'm an evangelical Christian in a country where that is not a political statement. My husband and I have been married five years. We have great sex several times a week despite having two kids under age 2. We get along so well that even a couple of my atheist friends have admitted they want what we have. What most of them don't know is that we waited until after the wedding to have sex—or even kiss.
Most secular folk would consider it reckless to tie the knot before making sure we were "sexually compatible," whatever that means. Consider our specific situation: Two adult virgins, ready to promise to our God, friends, family, and government that we will stick together until one of us dies. Is there anything we could have learned about each other through sex that would have changed our minds?
I'm not stupid (I'm a physician), but I can't figure this one out.
Happily Married Woman
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For someone who claims she isn't stupid, HMW, you're doing a pretty convincing job of playing dumb.
You damn well know what "sexually compatible" means, HMW, as you're lucky enough to be married to a man with whom you're sexually compatible. You want the same things he wants (I'm taking your word for that), you satisfy each other equally (taking your word for that), and you're both content (taking your word for that). That's what people mean by sexually compatible.
That you wound up married to a man with whom you're sexually compatible despite not fucking him once or twice before marriage can be credited to one of two things: You were smart (you figured you two would be sexually compatible and those calculations proved correct) or you were lucky (you hoped you two would be sexually compatible and, as luck would have it, you were). But don't pretend that your happiness was guaranteed by waiting or by God.
It's understandable that you're pleased that everything worked out for you, HMW, but your smugness and self-satisfaction seems a little un-Christian, if I may say so. Where's the humility? Where's some of that there-but-for-the-grace-of-God-go-I stuff? There are plenty of people out there who made the same choices you did—they waited, they made a solemn promise before God, family, friends, etc.—and their marriages fell apart due to issues of basic sexual incompatibility.
And finally, HMW, I can think of a million examples of things you "could have learned about each other through sex" on your wedding night that might have led you to change your mind about waiting. I'm just going to toss one out there: Suppose your husband announced when you got to your honeymoon suite that he wouldn't be able to climax unless you took a massive shit on his chest before vaginal intercourse commenced. Would that have changed your mind about the advisability of marrying him without fucking him once or twice first?
Trannies are freaks.
For a moment I thought Sbr had simply gone off the deep end. :lol:
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 15, 2011, 06:22:36 PM
I don't understand any of this. Or want to. But I posted anyways for my fanbase.
We truly have become decadent if 'transphobic' is now mainstream lingo. :bleeding:
G.
Quote from: Grallon on November 15, 2011, 08:11:02 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 15, 2011, 06:22:36 PM
I don't understand any of this. Or want to. But I posted anyways for my fanbase.
We truly have become decadent if 'transphobic' is now mainstream lingo. :bleeding:
Our society lost the right to exist when we decriminalized homosexual behavior.
Quote from: Neil on November 15, 2011, 08:12:33 PM
Our society lost the right to exist when we decriminalized homosexual behavior.
Shoo!
Try it before you dismiss it. You are still 'relatively' young for it.
G.
Quote from: Grallon on November 15, 2011, 08:23:52 PM
Quote from: Neil on November 15, 2011, 08:12:33 PM
Our society lost the right to exist when we decriminalized homosexual behavior.
Try it before you dismiss it. You are still 'relatively' young for it.
The problem with gay sex is that there's no women involved. Women are infinitely preferable as sexual partners.
Quote from: Neil on November 15, 2011, 08:32:44 PM
The problem with gay sex is that there's no women involved. Women are infinitely preferable as sexual partners.
He that hath not felt the pull of a boy's tight arse when plowed diligently does not know what he speaks about.
EDIT: Here - try this - the blond boy is just perfect. http://xhamster.com/movies/584966/ken_ryker_fucks_twink.html (http://xhamster.com/movies/584966/ken_ryker_fucks_twink.html)
G.
Quote from: garbon on November 15, 2011, 06:06:43 PM
Savage went on to note: "I never said the word 'tranny' at UCI at all; indeed, I've made a conscious effort to stop using 'tranny' after the memo went out last year declaring the word an off-limits 'hate term.'"
So what's the pc term for a tranny?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 15, 2011, 09:51:28 PM
So what's the pc term for a tranny?
There might not be a PC noun.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 15, 2011, 09:51:28 PMSo what's the pc term for a tranny?
As I understand it:
Ideally you refer to a transsexual person by the gender they identify with. So, should Tim tell us that he is in fact a woman in spite of having been born with (I assume) dangly boy-bits, from there on out you'd call her a woman. Should it be necessary to refer to the fact that Tim was born into a boy's body when describing his sexuality, perhaps for political reasons, you'd use the term trans-woman.
If, on the other hand, you're talking about a cis-gendered person (i.e. someone who identifies with the gender they were raised as), be they gay or straight, but who enjoys dressing up in clothing associated with the other gender, you'd refer to them as a cross-dresser.
If you're referring to the larger phenomenon of non-orthodox gender identities, the appropriate adjective is transgendered.
That's what I've been let to believe anhow.
But the proper thing to do is to refer to someone born as a boy as 'he', no matter what freaky lifestyle choices they make.
Please don't link porn here grallon. Neil doesn't need to watch buggery to know it's wrong just as he doesn't need to murder people to know it's wrong.
Quote from: Jacob on November 15, 2011, 10:17:31 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 15, 2011, 09:51:28 PMSo what's the pc term for a tranny?
As I understand it:
Ideally you refer to a transsexual person by the gender they identify with. So, should Tim tell us that he is in fact a woman in spite of having been born with (I assume) dangly boy-bits, from there on out you'd call her a woman. Should it be necessary to refer to the fact that Tim was born into a boy's body when describing his sexuality, perhaps for political reasons, you'd use the term trans-woman.
If, on the other hand, you're talking about a cis-gendered person (i.e. someone who identifies with the gender they were raised as), be they gay or straight, but who enjoys dressing up in clothing associated with the other gender, you'd refer to them as a cross-dresser.
If you're referring to the larger phenomenon of non-orthodox gender identities, the appropriate adjective is transgendered.
That's what I've been let to believe anhow.
It would be easier if they didn't change what is and isn't acceptable all the time. I swear they change the appropriate terms to catch people so they can get indignant when someone messes up.
Quote from: Jacob on November 15, 2011, 10:17:31 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 15, 2011, 09:51:28 PMSo what's the pc term for a tranny?
As I understand it:
Ideally you refer to a transsexual person by the gender they identify with. So, should Tim tell us that he is in fact a woman in spite of having been born with (I assume) dangly boy-bits, from there on out you'd call her a woman. Should it be necessary to refer to the fact that Tim was born into a boy's body when describing his sexuality, perhaps for political reasons, you'd use the term trans-woman.
If, on the other hand, you're talking about a cis-gendered person (i.e. someone who identifies with the gender they were raised as), be they gay or straight, but who enjoys dressing up in clothing associated with the other gender, you'd refer to them as a cross-dresser.
If you're referring to the larger phenomenon of non-orthodox gender identities, the appropriate adjective is transgendered.
That's what I've been let to believe anhow.
Correct afaik.
And in Thailand, you shop accordingly.
Quote from: RazIt would be easier if they didn't change what is and isn't acceptable all the time. I swear they change the appropriate terms to catch people so they can get indignant when someone messes up.
I don't think "shemale" has ever been considered a particularly classy term for a t-girl.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 15, 2011, 10:42:24 PM
It would be easier if they didn't change what is and isn't acceptable all the time. I swear they change the appropriate terms to catch people so they can get indignant when someone messes up.
You should start acting self-righteous and indignant when people use the word "crazy".
How many people here are actually acquainted with transgendered/transsexual people?
Quote from: Razgovory on November 15, 2011, 10:42:24 PMIt would be easier if they didn't change what is and isn't acceptable all the time. I swear they change the appropriate terms to catch people so they can get indignant when someone messes up.
Well, I don't think there's a whole lot of "changing all the time" going on yet to be honest. If it's a change it's of the "hey, you know the terms other people used in a derogatory fashion, that we never used for ourselves? Yeah, well, don't call us that; instead call use these terms that we consider non-derogatory."
Give it time and perhaps these terms will go through the negro - coloured - african-american - black evolution, but that hasn't happened yet.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on November 15, 2011, 10:47:44 PM
How many people here are actually acquainted with transgendered/transsexual people?
In what manner.
Quote from: Ideologue on November 15, 2011, 10:50:17 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on November 15, 2011, 10:47:44 PM
How many people here are actually acquainted with transgendered/transsexual people?
In what manner.
In a -- "how you doin?" -- "how YOU doin?" kind of way.
Quote from: Jacob on November 15, 2011, 10:48:00 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 15, 2011, 10:42:24 PMIt would be easier if they didn't change what is and isn't acceptable all the time. I swear they change the appropriate terms to catch people so they can get indignant when someone messes up.
Well, I don't think there's a whole lot of "changing all the time" going on yet to be honest. If it's a change it's of the "hey, you know the terms other people used in a derogatory fashion, that we never used for ourselves? Yeah, well, don't call us that; instead call use these terms that we consider non-derogatory."
Give it time and perhaps these terms will go through the negro - coloured - african-american - black evolution, but that hasn't happened yet.
I dunno, there seems to be lots of terms and I find them confusing. Some of these terms seem to be used by some members of the groups themselves and other in the group find them offensive. What you are describing is a euphemism treadmill. Like crippled -> handicapped -> disabled -> differently-abled. I always found "pride" in these kind of things really weird. Like taking pride in being insane or being born with flippers.
It may just be that grallon brings out the worst in me, so I'm more offensive tonight then usual.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on November 15, 2011, 10:47:44 PM
How many people here are actually acquainted with transgendered/transsexual people?
How would I know?
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on November 15, 2011, 10:47:44 PM
How many people here are actually acquainted with transgendered/transsexual people?
There's one guy at work who wears one of those big extender ear ring things, but I don't know him very well.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 15, 2011, 11:04:47 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on November 15, 2011, 10:47:44 PM
How many people here are actually acquainted with transgendered/transsexual people?
There's one guy at work who wears one of those big extender ear ring things, but I don't know him very well.
Is that how you know?
Quote from: Razgovory on November 15, 2011, 11:05:46 PM
Is that how you know?
No. The way you know is you look for a chick with a manly face then grab their crotch.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on November 15, 2011, 10:47:44 PM
How many people here are actually acquainted with transgendered/transsexual people?
A dear friend of mine is transgender. He feels equal parts female and male. He goes by the male pronouns because that's his physical make-up, but he doesn't feel that it encompasses all of him.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on November 15, 2011, 10:52:24 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on November 15, 2011, 10:50:17 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on November 15, 2011, 10:47:44 PM
How many people here are actually acquainted with transgendered/transsexual people?
In what manner.
In a -- "how you doin?" -- "how YOU doin?" kind of way.
I suppose not. I've read up on the subject to some degree though. It's interesting. One thing I've learned is it's a really shitty process. Also, occasionally some make decent-looking members of their desired gender, but this is both difficult to achieve and not bound to occur regardless of effort or expense. So then I cancelled my trip to Thailand.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 15, 2011, 10:58:34 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on November 15, 2011, 10:47:44 PM
How many people here are actually acquainted with transgendered/transsexual people?
How would I know?
If you were actually acquainted with them you might...
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on November 15, 2011, 10:47:44 PM
How many people here are actually acquainted with transgendered/transsexual people?
I am.
I've lost touch with most of my trans friends from Philadelphia, but they were generally just like other people I knew, if especially involved in radical left politics. The treatment of trans sex workers (I'm "PC" as a matter of conviction not politeness) by the police and others in the city was a big deal in the last several years there. I believe that Baltimore affray in Mickey D's was predicated on the issue of whether a transgender woman could use the women's bathroom.
Ultimately, the main point is that it is "real" for a fair amount of people, despite haranguing to the contrary, and they are left in a uniquely vulnerable position. In Philly, for instance, to get the monthly TransPass you had to put M or F on the card, which led to a bunch of disputes between the SEPTA workers and trans individuals trying to assert their gender identity. Apart from the general ridicule, assaults, etc.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on November 15, 2011, 11:13:14 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 15, 2011, 10:58:34 PM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on November 15, 2011, 10:47:44 PM
How many people here are actually acquainted with transgendered/transsexual people?
How would I know?
If you were actually acquainted with them you might...
I'm not very well acquainted with anyone.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 15, 2011, 11:48:34 PM
I'm not very well acquainted with anyone.
Or yourself... but I'm in the same boat ultimately. :homestar:
'Gender identity'. You people are really a kick, you know?
Quote from: Neil on November 15, 2011, 11:57:33 PM
'Gender identity'. You people are really a kick, you know?
The kick of real life is always hard to bear. :console:
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on November 15, 2011, 11:51:46 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 15, 2011, 11:48:34 PM
I'm not very well acquainted with anyone.
Or yourself... but I'm in the same boat ultimately. :homestar:
Well, that is one of the high points of being mad. You're never really sure what you're thinking. Sometimes you can surprise yourself.
Quote from: Jacob on November 15, 2011, 10:17:31 PM
If, on the other hand, you're talking about a cis-gendered person (i.e. someone who identifies with the gender they were raised as), be they gay or straight, but who enjoys dressing up in clothing associated with the other gender, you'd refer to them as a cross-dresser.
So, "transvestite" is considered non-PC?
Quote from: dps on November 16, 2011, 01:23:43 AMSo, "transvestite" is considered non-PC?
As I understand it, the more specific transman and transwoman are preferred if there are reasons you can't just use man or woman . If you need to use a more general term, transgendered is the word of choice.
Quote from: Jacob on November 16, 2011, 01:44:38 AM
Quote from: dps on November 16, 2011, 01:23:43 AMSo, "transvestite" is considered non-PC?
As I understand it, the more specific transman and transwoman are preferred if there are reasons you can't just use man or woman . If you need to use a more general term, transgendered is the word of choice.
Uh, a transvestite is a cross-dresser. That's why I only quoted the part of your post about cross-dressers--it was the part I was asking about.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on November 15, 2011, 11:38:56 PMIn Philly, for instance, to get the monthly TransPass you had to put M or F on the card
They make transgendered people wear a special pass? Wtf, that's nazi.
Quote from: dps on November 16, 2011, 01:23:43 AM
Quote from: Jacob on November 15, 2011, 10:17:31 PM
If, on the other hand, you're talking about a cis-gendered person (i.e. someone who identifies with the gender they were raised as), be they gay or straight, but who enjoys dressing up in clothing associated with the other gender, you'd refer to them as a cross-dresser.
So, "transvestite" is considered non-PC?
I don't think it's non-PC, however it's a loaded word for two reasons, I'd wager. One, it is often mistakenly used to describe transgendered people. And another, it's clinical/medical - it's like referring to a gay person as "a homosexual".
Quote from: Martinus on November 16, 2011, 02:32:36 AM
And another, it's clinical/medical - it's like referring to a gay person as "a homosexual".
Referring to a homosexual person as gay is euphemistic, or at least was originally.
Quote from: Martinus on November 16, 2011, 02:30:23 AM
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on November 15, 2011, 11:38:56 PMIn Philly, for instance, to get the monthly TransPass you had to put M or F on the card
They make transgendered people wear a special pass? Wtf, that's nazi.
:unsure: Not sure if joking... so to be straight-faced: for a monthly pass, everyone had to have a little sticker on the card saying M or F, with the goal of preventing heterosexual spouses from sharing the same pass.
Problems arose when transgendered people who "looked like" the opposite gender asked for the other sticker or demanded not to have a sticker at all.
Maybe Marti wasn't sure about the 'TransPass'.
Quote from: Sheilbh on November 16, 2011, 05:31:31 AM
Maybe Marti wasn't sure about the 'TransPass'.
:lol: Ah right.
Quote from: Capetan Mihali on November 15, 2011, 11:59:58 PM
Quote from: Neil on November 15, 2011, 11:57:33 PM
'Gender identity'. You people are really a kick, you know?
The kick of real life is always hard to bear. :console:
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Martinus on November 16, 2011, 02:32:36 AM
I don't think it's non-PC, however it's a loaded word for two reasons, I'd wager. One... ...And another, it's clinical/medical
So, "myocardial infarction" and "subdural hematoma" would also be considered loaded? :)
Quote from: dps on November 16, 2011, 08:53:09 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 16, 2011, 02:32:36 AM
I don't think it's non-PC, however it's a loaded word for two reasons, I'd wager. One... ...And another, it's clinical/medical
So, "myocardial infarction" and "subdural hematoma" would also be considered loaded? :)
"Sorry to hear about your mother's massive pancreatic hemorrhage and resulting death, bud." :console:
"Sorry to hear about your mother's passing, bud." :console:
I think the first one is fine. Maybe not "massive." I think that's implied from the fact she's dead.
It's not really loaded, since loaded words are as such because of the shame of not being normal.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 15, 2011, 11:07:17 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 15, 2011, 11:05:46 PM
Is that how you know?
No. The way you know is you look for a chick with a manly face then grab their crotch.
Checking whether they have an Adam's apple is the more usual way, but whatever floats your boat Admiral.
We tried to recruit a lawyer years ago. She wanted to go for meet teh team drinks. Next day, the bloke I share an office with comes in and tells me they were the last ones left she grabbed hold of him and stuck her tongue down his throat. She ended up going to another law firm.
About 6 months later, my mate went out with a partner for a boozy lunch to celebrate a completed deal. He came back absolutely arseholed, shut the door of our office and said "Gups, you know that bird from firm X I snogged...she's only a fucking bloke". After I'd stopped laughing I told him to go home without telling anyone. He was so wasted though he went and told the secretaries i.e. the whole firm.
I see her quite often on the other side of deals.
Quote from: GuptaChecking whether they have an Adam's apple is the more usual way, but whatever floats your boat Admiral.
But that wouldn't apply very strongly to those who have undergone a chondrolaryngoplasty, i.e. "tracheal shave."
And some bitches have just got big ugly lumps of cartilage in their throats.
I'm not sure if I have an Adam's Apple or not, can't really spot much of a lump in mirror. My voice isn't particularly high either. Maybe my neck is just too thick.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 16, 2011, 10:17:35 AM
I'm not sure if I have an Adam's Apple or not, can't really spot much of a lump in mirror. My voice isn't particularly high either. Maybe my neck is just too thick.
How much do you weigh?
About 220.
Actually, I can feel the bump there if I put my hand on my throat. But reactions to that would probably be even worse than the groin check. :lol:
I'm hardly an expert, but I've known (though not real well) three male to females transgendered people.
Each of them really obviously looked it.
Is Hector allright????!?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 15, 2011, 11:07:17 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 15, 2011, 11:05:46 PM
Is that how you know?
No. The way you know is you look for a chick with a manly face then grab their crotch.
Ah, the Crocodile Dundee way. A true and tested way, I figure.
Quote from: Ideologue on November 15, 2011, 11:12:35 PM
I've read up on the subject to some degree though.
you watch tranny porn with subtitles?
Quote from: viper37 on November 16, 2011, 03:38:25 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on November 15, 2011, 11:12:35 PM
I've read up on the subject to some degree though.
you watch tranny porn with subtitles?
And it's a great way to learn French.