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Brain, don't beat off to the maps, k?
As for my map, I would survive, but it doesn't take into account base strikes which would happen 15 minutes to the north of me. Wright Patterson, you just had to have the national AF lab and bomber runways, didn't you?
The bad news is that I'm dead. The good news is that Philly, Baltimore, DC, and NYC would all be wiped out under a 5-city attack option. So would be Boston, but I don't know enough about it to know how to feel about it.
QuoteYou're dead!
Congratulations! You never saw it coming. Consider yourself lucky that there was no suffering. Not even the cockroaches survived
Quote from: DGuller on November 14, 2011, 06:13:40 PM
So would be Boston, but I don't know enough about it to know how to feel about it.
Dead southies? The world rejoices.
Assuming a Minuteman:
You're alive! ... but not for long.
The heat from the blast has caused head to toe second degree burns.You'll probably die within the coming weeks from radiation sickness.
However, if I'm at work, I'm 20 metres away from the main target. I would die when the missile nose cone hits me on the head.
Quote from: Warspite on November 14, 2011, 06:16:56 PM
However, if I'm at work, I'm 20 metres away from the main target. I would die when the missile nose cone hits me on the head.
Just wear a hard hat.
I'd survive a Minuteman, but anything above that hitting the center of the city and I'm dead from the radiation or burns (not the blast).
Of course, I would think they would be nuking the air force bases, not the city center, and those are further away, so whatever.
It says I'm alive if they target all >100,000, but I guess it's census data about Columbia is wrong, because we have significantly more than 100,000 (and lot more if you count West Columbia, which nuclear planners would).
I'd hide in a refrigerator.
Quote from: Caliga on November 14, 2011, 06:42:41 PM
I'd hide in a refrigerator.
Now that stupid ass movie flashed in my head. :mad:
I'm really pissed at NYC right now. Normally, if Jersey City were located all on its own in the middle of nowhere, enemy planners would take one look at it and assume they've already hit it. However, they're going to hit NYC no matter what, and Jersey City is unfortunately right next to it.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 14, 2011, 06:43:49 PM
Quote from: Caliga on November 14, 2011, 06:42:41 PM
I'd hide in a refrigerator.
Now that stupid ass movie flashed in my head. :mad:
:hug:
Seriously, I'd have to assume I would get vaporized along with Fort Knox.
Quote from: Caliga on November 14, 2011, 06:47:28 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 14, 2011, 06:43:49 PM
Quote from: Caliga on November 14, 2011, 06:42:41 PM
I'd hide in a refrigerator.
Now that stupid ass movie flashed in my head. :mad:
:hug:
Seriously, I'd have to assume I would get vaporized along with Fort Knox.
There went the Army's Human Resources.
Definitely dead, even under the most limited scenario set up. Apparently they're going to drop the Vancouver bomb pretty close to my house.
They only seem interested in hitting cities. The big fucking air force base where they keep Stealth bombers is a bit closer, still I wouldn't be killed by anything less then a Dinosaur killing meteor. When I was a kid they had some of the missile silos only about 15 miles away from my home, I don't know if those would have been targeted.
Quote from: Jacob on November 14, 2011, 06:50:06 PM
Definitely dead, even under the most limited scenario set up.
Well, there's always the chance Canada doesn't get targeted.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 14, 2011, 07:46:20 PMWell, there's always the chance Canada doesn't get targeted.
That would be nice. But I'd miss my American neighbours.
Oh, you wouldn't miss us for long.
Canada is the obvious place to migrate millions of displaced Americans to, after all.
Quote from: Jacob on November 14, 2011, 07:51:02 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 14, 2011, 07:46:20 PMWell, there's always the chance Canada doesn't get targeted.
That would be nice. But I'd miss my American neighbours.
But we'd be the ones launching. Who else would launch a nuke at Vancouver? The Chinese wouldn't. They'd hit more Chinese then they would Canadians.
I'm alive, but not for long. Southwest of Boston.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 14, 2011, 08:00:30 PM
But we'd be the ones launching. Who else would launch a nuke at Vancouver? The Chinese wouldn't. They'd hit more Chinese then they would Canadians.
All of the Chinese in Vancouver are traitors.
Instant death for me. Guaranteed targeting where I live, given that it is a major city located directly next to MacDill Air Force Base, where CENTCOM and SOCOM are both headquarted.
Now- only if it is kept above 100k cities. Or else its on top of me. No clue if my city would be on the hit list or not. Except for a meteor of course.
My home town- ouch. As expected. I'm just outside a big city, which the system incorrectly measures as under 1 million....hell, it doesn't recognise it as being even 100k and goes for another nearby city it seems :s
Quote from: Caliga on November 14, 2011, 08:19:36 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 14, 2011, 08:00:30 PM
But we'd be the ones launching. Who else would launch a nuke at Vancouver? The Chinese wouldn't. They'd hit more Chinese then they would Canadians.
All of the Chinese in Vancouver are traitors.
Not at all. The Chinese in Vancouver are very loyal to the Communist Party.
Quote from: Ideologue on November 14, 2011, 07:58:36 PM
Oh, you wouldn't miss us for long.
Canada is the obvious place to migrate millions of displaced Americans to, after all.
You'd all die in the winter.
Quote from: Neil on November 14, 2011, 08:33:52 PM
You'd all die in the winter.
We have discovered the secret of Fire. No scribes allowed.
:yuk:
QuoteYou're alive! ... but not for long.
The heat from the blast has caused head to toe third degree burns. It would have been better to have been vaporized. You'll probably die within the day.
I'm pretty much dead if Vienna gets attacked with 1MT+, though it'll depend where exactly the bomb drops if I die from the blast or burns/radiation. If city center, then I only survive with a Fatman sized bomb.
I grew up in a small town in Germany that had a stockpile of nuclear grenades ca. 2 or 3 km from our house. So there was some certainty that in case of nuclear war we'd have a big bullseye painted onto our backs, anyways, and that things would be over (hopefully) quickly.
Quote from: Syt on November 14, 2011, 10:40:56 PM
I'm pretty much dead if Vienna gets attacked with 1MT+, though it'll depend where exactly the bomb drops if I die from the blast or burns/radiation. If city center, then I only survive with a Fatman sized bomb.
I grew up in a small town in Germany that had a stockpile of nuclear grenades ca. 2 or 3 km from our house. So there was some certainty that in case of nuclear war we'd have a big bullseye painted onto our backs, anyways, and that things would be over (hopefully) quickly.
Actual damage will vary considerably due to local geography, weather, height of explosion etc. I imagine you can be fairly close to ground zero and still survive if you are in a tough building. Duck and cover really can save your life.
Apparently I'm alive because they would hit Berlin, Hamburg and Stockholm, but not Copenhagen :wacko:
Very weird, given A Denmark is part of nato, B Sweden is not.
V
Quote from: Valdemar on November 15, 2011, 03:29:36 AM
Apparently I'm alive because they would hit Berlin, Hamburg and Stockholm, but not Copenhagen :wacko:
Very weird, given A Denmark is part of nato, B Sweden is not.
V
Probably Denmark is the attacker?
I'm dead. Apparently they would hit Warsaw. :(
No...
Yeah, if the Russians go with the Grand Tour on the eastern seaboard with Bomba city busters, I wouldn't fill an ash tray.
If it's SLBMs off the coast, I better hope I'm at my parents' house that day, so I could live for a week with the radiation.
Even if Baltimore's not a strategic target as a city specifically, the Sovs would daisychain the Maryland landscape with a slew of SLBMs...Camp David, the Olney bunker, APG, Ft Detrick, Ft. Meade, hitting military, leadership succession and NCA targets.
I live in the innermost circle of even a Fatman on the city I live in. I guess that means I am toast.
Obviously nobody cares about the missles at Warrern AFB 40 miles to the east (though they are over a mountain range), and Laramie survives to become the capital of the new Militia States of America.
If they only hit cities of 500k+ people, then I'm safe.
Quote from: Martinus on November 15, 2011, 03:51:25 AM
I'm dead. Apparently they would hit Warsaw. :(
Back in the 1980's people creating roleplaying games based on the nuking of Warsaw.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 15, 2011, 08:30:35 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 15, 2011, 03:51:25 AM
I'm dead. Apparently they would hit Warsaw. :(
Back in the 1980's people creating roleplaying games based on the nuking of Warsaw.
:)
If anyone would actually bother to nuke Finland, I'd be suffering horribly from burns and die within a day. :(
Also, map sucks.
Quote from: Solmyr on November 15, 2011, 09:01:05 AM
If anyone would actually bother to nuke Finland, I'd be suffering horribly from burns and die within a day. :(
Also, map sucks.
The Karelian Front has to be stopped somehow.
Quote from: PDH on November 15, 2011, 08:17:04 AM
Obviously nobody cares about the missles at Warrern AFB 40 miles to the east (though they are over a mountain range), and Laramie survives to become the capital of the new Militia States of America.
Yeah, it's rather simplistic. It assumes nukes are only going after population centres, and even then will be targeted at the centre of downtown.
Edmonton is a pretty likely target - but not downtown Edmonton. Rather, they'd be better off striking the eat end of town so as to hit the numerous refineries and other petroleum plants. Or, they might want to hit CFB Edmonton at the north end of town.
Similarily it says Whitehorse would survive, with the closest strike being over a thousand klicks away at Anchorage. Well that may be, but by possesssing one of the very airfields north of 60 that can support fighter jets it is probably a pretty valid target for a tactical nuke.
I somewhat suspect that state (and provincial) capitals would be mid-priority targets all on their own, particularly if targeting economic recovery was a factor.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 15, 2011, 07:05:10 AM
Yeah, if the Russians go with the Grand Tour on the eastern seaboard with Bomba city busters, I wouldn't fill an ash tray.
If it's SLBMs off the coast, I better hope I'm at my parents' house that day, so I could live for a week with the radiation.
Does anybody even use the megaton-yield bombs anymore? I was under the impression that at least the US arsenal was mostly in the hundred kiloton range, and that the megaton yields were phased out over the course of the 70s and 80s. Then again, I suppose the Russians might still use them since 60s-tech is still pretty advanced in Russia.
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WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!
Quote from: DGuller on November 14, 2011, 06:13:40 PM
The bad news is that I'm dead. The good news is that Philly, Baltimore, DC, and NYC would all be wiped out under a 5-city attack option. So would be Boston, but I don't know enough about it to know how to feel about it.
Go down to Pop. 100k and Newark bites it, too. :)
Newark getting hit by a nuke would improve it.
Snooki would have a fabulous glow.
Quote from: DGuller on November 15, 2011, 11:07:40 AM
Newark getting hit by a nuke would improve it.
:yes: Big surprise they're filming portions of
The Dark Knight Rises in Newark as Gotham, right? ;)
Those sick bastards would nuke Austin but leave La Grande intact? They must hate humanity indeed.
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WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!
Needs more nukes.
Quote from: DGuller on November 15, 2011, 11:07:40 AM
Newark getting hit by a nuke would improve it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glm3o7MWg_k
vaporized like a red shirt
Quote from: Barrister on November 15, 2011, 10:10:14 AM
Quote from: PDH on November 15, 2011, 08:17:04 AM
Obviously nobody cares about the missles at Warrern AFB 40 miles to the east (though they are over a mountain range), and Laramie survives to become the capital of the new Militia States of America.
Yeah, it's rather simplistic. It assumes nukes are only going after population centres, and even then will be targeted at the centre of downtown.
Edmonton is a pretty likely target - but not downtown Edmonton. Rather, they'd be better off striking the eat end of town so as to hit the numerous refineries and other petroleum plants. Or, they might want to hit CFB Edmonton at the north end of town.
Similarily it says Whitehorse would survive, with the closest strike being over a thousand klicks away at Anchorage. Well that may be, but by possesssing one of the very airfields north of 60 that can support fighter jets it is probably a pretty valid target for a tactical nuke.
Yeah, the targeting assumptions are just stupid.
I read something back in the mid-70's that the places that were considered likely targets in the U.S. were:
All capital cities
All other cities over
25,000 in population
All important military bases
Certain industrial locations and transportation hubs that aren't in any of the cities already included above.
Of course, that was when nuclear arsenals were a bit larger than they are now--I don't know if cities that small would still be considered likely targets. But certainly important military bases would be.
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Why the fuck would anyone waste an expensive nuke on Mansfield?
Marietta?
What's that one halfway between Columbus and the PA border? There's nothing there but tiny places like Coshocton.
Anyway, I'm alive and kicking, but Vegas, SF, San Jose, Los Angeles and Portland are fucked, apparently.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 15, 2011, 12:59:48 PM
What's that one halfway between Columbus and the PA border? There's nothing there but tiny places like Coshocton.
Cambridge. Not important as a city, but it's the intersection of I-70 and I-77.
Quote from: dps on November 15, 2011, 01:03:47 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 15, 2011, 12:59:48 PM
What's that one halfway between Columbus and the PA border? There's nothing there but tiny places like Coshocton.
Cambridge. Not important as a city, but it's the intersection of I-70 and I-77.
So they're going to spend a nuke to take out a cloverleaf interchange?
Quote from: DGuller on November 15, 2011, 01:06:24 PM
Quote from: dps on November 15, 2011, 01:03:47 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 15, 2011, 12:59:48 PM
What's that one halfway between Columbus and the PA border? There's nothing there but tiny places like Coshocton.
Cambridge. Not important as a city, but it's the intersection of I-70 and I-77.
So they're going to spend a nuke to take out a cloverleaf interchange?
Eh, apparently we're spending 25 of them carpeting the border.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on November 15, 2011, 11:11:43 AM
Quote from: DGuller on November 15, 2011, 11:07:40 AM
Newark getting hit by a nuke would improve it.
:yes: Big surprise they're filming portions of The Dark Knight Rises in Newark as Gotham, right? ;)
They filmed parts of the Walking Dead in downtown Atlanta. Didn't even need set dressing to look post-apocalyptic.
Using the dinosaur killing bomb, I got this:
QuoteCongratulations! You never saw it coming. Consider yourself lucky that there was no suffering. Not even the cockroaches survived.
Otherwise, I always survive.
Quote from: dps on November 15, 2011, 12:39:11 PM
Yeah, the targeting assumptions are just stupid.
I read something back in the mid-70's that the places that were considered likely targets in the U.S. were:
All capital cities
All other cities over 25,000 in population
All important military bases
Certain industrial locations and transportation hubs that aren't in any of the cities already included above.
Of course, that was when nuclear arsenals were a bit larger than they are now--I don't know if cities that small would still be considered likely targets. But certainly important military bases would be.
I'm not sure the Soviets could reliably hit cities with only 25,000 people.
I'm sure they could. Hitting a city, even a small city, is rather easy. And they used larger warheads then to compensate for accuracy anyway.
Quote from: Ideologue on November 15, 2011, 04:19:26 PM
I'm sure they could. Hitting a city, even a small city, is rather easy. And they used larger warheads then to compensate for accuracy anyway.
How easy is it? As far as I know, nobody has ever hit a city with an ICBM.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 15, 2011, 05:16:44 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on November 15, 2011, 04:19:26 PM
I'm sure they could. Hitting a city, even a small city, is rather easy. And they used larger warheads then to compensate for accuracy anyway.
How easy is it? As far as I know, nobody has ever hit a city with an ICBM.
Most cities of 25,000 are bigger than 1km across. Even the SS-11 could manage that, and that's a very old missile (although it remained in service in decreasing numbers through 1994). It also carried a 1.1MT warhead.
But you're right. I think we should hold some trials. You have any cities in mind? :)
Quote from: Ideologue on November 15, 2011, 05:59:35 PM
But you're right. I think we should hold some trials. You have any cities in mind? :)
Where does Sandusky live again? :hmm:
Ghent.
Quote from: Ideologue on November 15, 2011, 05:59:35 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 15, 2011, 05:16:44 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on November 15, 2011, 04:19:26 PM
I'm sure they could. Hitting a city, even a small city, is rather easy. And they used larger warheads then to compensate for accuracy anyway.
How easy is it? As far as I know, nobody has ever hit a city with an ICBM.
Most cities of 25,000 are bigger than 1km across. Even the SS-11 could manage that, and that's a very old missile (although it remained in service in decreasing numbers through 1994). It also carried a 1.1MT warhead.
But you're right. I think we should hold some trials. You have any cities in mind? :)
I read that Soviet ICBM tended to carry big warheads because their accuracy was somewhat limited. When shooting something like that off even a small deviation can result a major miss.
I recommend a Bangkok.
Quote from: DGuller on November 15, 2011, 01:06:24 PM
Quote from: dps on November 15, 2011, 01:03:47 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 15, 2011, 12:59:48 PM
What's that one halfway between Columbus and the PA border? There's nothing there but tiny places like Coshocton.
Cambridge. Not important as a city, but it's the intersection of I-70 and I-77.
So they're going to spend a nuke to take out a cloverleaf interchange?
See my earlier post #54. And keep in mind that the Interstate highway system was supposed to be a defense measure (in fact, its official name was the Interstate and Defense Highway System).
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Those maps are funny as they represent both a truth and a gigantic miss conception of the militarily important parts of Denmark (Or lack there off if you wish :))
The allied map expects the sovs to hit some of the military targets in Jutland that the Sovs doesn't even consider in their approach, and neither takes out the only true dangers of Denmark, the navy and its ability to block the warsaw block from leaving the baltic :) And the large airfields and their ability to support reinforcements from UK/US, not to mention the large container harbours that would float supplies right into the warzone.
Denmark it self is of no consequence to the war effort. its position and assets for the rest of the allies.. a little bit more.
V
Apparently the closest a nuke would come in their estimation is Syracuse, leaving me alive because "you live in the middle of nowhere or are lucky. The planet isn't looking good though. Get ready for some great skiing in the upcoming nuclear winter!" Apparently everyone has forgotten Griffiss AFB in very close by Rome, NY exists. :ph34r:
Quote from: Valdemar on November 16, 2011, 03:24:08 AMThe allied map
Actually, both maps are based on Soviet war plans. :)
Quote from: Syt on November 16, 2011, 04:22:35 AM
Quote from: Valdemar on November 16, 2011, 03:24:08 AMThe allied map
Actually, both maps are based on Soviet war plans. :)
OK, I thought the one where NATO attacked first was based on their plans. Strange they don't hit the same targets in both plans when it comes to capitals and strategic bases.
V
I'd live, even with largest non-Dinosaur ender hitting Jackson, MS.
I don't think that bottling up the Baltic Fleet in the Baltic would be a big strategic coup, given that the whole mission of the Baltic Fleet was to support the roll through Germany. The blue water work was for the Northern Fleet.
Quote from: Neil on November 17, 2011, 09:01:41 PM
I don't think that bottling up the Baltic Fleet in the Baltic would be a big strategic coup, given that the whole mission of the Baltic Fleet was to support the roll through Germany. The blue water work was for the Northern Fleet.
Presumably the Soviets would want to deny the use of Baltic to the enemy. Still the airborne and naval landings are ambitious. I'm not sure the Soviet ever launched a successful airborne operation in the whole of WWII. I suspect such an attempt would be a disaster and would quickly be destroyed by NATO air defense.