I've done these before for the US, Canada and a few other countries, doing one for an Arab country's a bit more novel. My results:
Quote78% Egyptian Communist (Sheewaai) Party
78% Egyptian Social Democratic (Misry Democrati Egtimaee) Party
75% The Socialist Popular Alliance (Al-Tehalaf al Shaabi al Eshtraky) Party
71% The New Middle (Al Wasat Al Gadeed) Party
71% Reform and Development (Al Eslah we Tanmeyya) -Masrena (Our Egypt) Party
71% Democratic Front (Gabha Democratiyya) Party
67% The Arab Party for Justice and Equality (El Hezb el Araby lil Adel wel Mosawa)
67% Free Egypt (Misr Al-Hurra) Party
67% Freedom Egypt (Masr al Hurreya) Party
64% Democratic Labour (Al Omal Democrati) Party
64% The National Progressive Unionist (Tagammo' El Shaab El Eshtraky) Party
64% The New Tomorrow (Al Ghad al Gadeed) Party
64% Egyptian Citizen Party (Al-Moaten Al-Misri)
60% The Building and Development Party (Al-Benaa Wal Tanmeya)
60% The Arab Democratic Nasserist Party (Al Arabi Al Nasseri)
60% Freedom and Justice (Hurreyah we Adala) Party
60% The Dignity Party (Al-Karama)
60% Justice Party (Al Adl) Party
60% The Current Egyptian Party (Al-Tayar Al-Masry)
60% The Modern Egypt Party. (Misr El Hadytha)
60% Reform and Renaissance (Eslah we Nahda) Party
57% Civilisation (Al-Hadara) Party
57% You Are Egyptian (Ant Masry) Party
53% The Virtue Party (Al-Fadyla)
53% The New Delegation (Al Wafd Al Gadeeed) Party
50% The Free Egyptians (Al Masreyeen Al Ahrar) Party
50% Arab Unification (Al Tawheed el Araby) Party
50% The Authenticity Party (Al-Assala Party)
42% The Safety and Development Party (Al-Salama Wal Tanmeya)
39% Egyptian Knana (Quiver) Party
32% Revolution Egypt (Masr el Thawra) Party
My top three:
QuoteCommunist (Sheewaai) Party
This political party takes Marxism-Leninism as the theoretical basis for its ideology and politics. Established in 1922, the party has been an active secret party since 1924. After the 25 January Revolution the party was brought back to political life on May 1, 2011.
The party issues a periodical irregularly called 'Al-Intisar' (Victory).
The party's website is http://www.cp-egypt.com
General economic and political orientation
The party calls for a parliamentary republic in which the President and the Vice President are elected directly and freely. In addition, the party calls for decentralisation of local government through the participation of members of the community the management and organisation of their affairs. The party calls for establishing a communist society that "provides equal opportunities for all citizens in the fields of education, health, housing, employment and other services"(1) involving minimum and maximum wage limits, and eliminating policies on privatisation of public companies and services.
QuoteEgyptian Social Democratic (Misry Democrati Egtimaee) Party
The Egyptian Social Democratic Party, founded on July 3, 2011, balances between liberalism and socialism. Its board of trustees consists of Dr. Mohamed Abou El-Ghar, Dr. Mohamed Ghoneim, Dr. Emad Gad, and the writer Hazem El-Bablawy.
Website http://www.egysdp.com
General political and economic orientation
The party calls for "a hybrid presidential-parliamentary system" so that the distribution of authority is equal between both. However, the president would not have the power to dissolve the People's Assembly; the president is instead under its oversight.
The party calls for an economic system which adheres to the mechanisms of the free market with the state fulfilling its responsibilities in oversight and the maintenance of order.
QuoteThe Socialist Popular Alliance (Al-Tehalaf al Shaabi al Eshtraky) Party
The formation of the leftist Socialist Popular Alliance Party was announced on March 12, 2011. The group is comprised of various leftist groups including the Trotskyites, the remnants of the People's Party, and the Jan 8 Movement, as well as a large number of former members of the National Progressive Unionist Party who resigned after several failed motions of no confidence against its president, Ref'aat El-Sa'eed. Its representative is the former Member of Parliament for the National Progressive Unionist Party, Abo Elez El-Hariry.
Website: http://egyleftparty.org/
General political and economic orientation
The party calls for the establishment of a civic, parliamentary state with a single representative council that has widespread influence on and oversight of military expenditures. The party also seeks the transformation of local administrations to local governments with real powers.
The party calls for an economic model which consists of three sectors: a public sector which falls under popular oversight, a cooperatives' sector in the fields of industry and agriculture, and a non-monopolistic private sector.
And my bottom three:
QuoteThe Safety and Development Party (Al-Salama Wal Tanmeya)
The Safety and Development Party is a political party with an Islamic term of reference. It announced its establishment in April 2011. Its founder is Under Secretary Dr. Kamal Habib.
General political and economic orientation
The party demands the establishment of a political system in which the judiciary has the upper hand to which all executive authorities, especially security authorities, will answer to. In addition, they call for the removal of the Shura (Advisory) Council and demand that it be replaced with specialised councils.
On the economic level, the party believes in the necessity of respecting individual ownership without contravention. It believes in the intervention of the State so as to restore economic balance. The Party calls for imposing progressive taxes on the rich in favour of the poor and setting a minimum and maximum wage in line with inflation.
QuoteEgyptian Knana (Quiver) Party
It announced its establishment in 2009 then re-announced it after the January 25 Revolution 2011. It is still under construction. Its President is Ashraf Zaky Barouma.
Party's website: http://mesralknana.com
The Party issues an electronic journal called AlKnana online at: http://www.alknana.com
General political and economic orientation
The party calls for the establishment of a political system based on free elections and on the separation of the three authorities, namely: the legislative, the executive and the judicial authorities.
On the economic level, the party calls for the free trade system which allows freedom for individuals, while the government intervenes to organise, control and ensure social justice. The system comes from an industrial base by establishing specialised and integrated industrial Egyptian cities.
QuoteRevolution Egypt (Masr el Thawra) Party
This party was founded in July 2011. Its president is Mahmoud Mahraan.
The party's website is http://www.masrelthawra.com
General political and economic orientation
The party calls for the establishment of a presidential parliamentary system in which functions are distributed through a freely-elected president as well as a freely-elected parliament. It also calls for setting ground rules for sharing authority and forming an independent judiciary system.
The party calls for the establishment of a free economic system where the state intervenes to prevent the monopolisation and control of a certain segment of the economy.
I find it weird that I apparently disagree with those bottom two so much when they both sound fine to me :mellow:
http://egypt.electionnaire.com/
They are all in favor of smiting the infidel?
way too many parties.
Quote from: HVC on November 09, 2011, 02:58:52 PM
way too many parties.
Yeah. They need to consolidate. Typical of the liberal left to split off into a millino groupuscules while their opponents remain united though :bleeding:
I got 4 out of sheilbh's top 6 parties in my top 6 as well. It's worrying when the communists sound reasonable.
The leftists will be slaughtered by the islamists.
it'll be a turkish blood bath
100% National Socialist
Unsurprisingly, my highest percentage turns out to be the communists as well. Pretty tragic when that's the most reasonable party...
Quote from: Habbaku on November 09, 2011, 03:34:36 PM
Unsurprisingly, my highest percentage turns out to be the communists as well. Pretty tragic when that's the most reasonable party...
Yeah, gross. I was nearly tied Socialist Popular Alliance and Egyptian Communist.
QuoteDo you think slums should be removed rather than developed, if adequate alternative houses for their residents is provided?
I don't know what this question means. Leave the Bronx?
Anyway, it said I was an Arab for Justice and Equality. You guys are a bunch of reds. But in disclosure, I think I might have thrown it when I (as an Egyptian) said I'd like to withdraw from the NPT.
I got:
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69% Reform and Development (Al Eslah we Tanmeyya) -Masrena (Our Egypt) Party
65% Egyptian Citizen Party (Al-Moaten Al-Misri)
57% Egyptian Knana (Quiver) Party
57% The Modern Egypt Party. (Misr El Hadytha)
57% The New Tomorrow (Al Ghad al Gadeed) Party
57% Free Egypt (Misr Al-Hurra) Party
53% The Free Egyptians (Al Masreyeen Al Ahrar) Party
53% Justice Party (Al Adl) Party
53% The New Middle (Al Wasat Al Gadeed) Party
53% Egyptian Social Democratic (Misry Democrati Egtimaee) Party
53% The Socialist Popular Alliance (Al-Tehalaf al Shaabi al Eshtraky) Party
50% Freedom and Justice (Hurreyah we Adala) Party
50% The Arab Party for Justice and Equality (El Hezb el Araby lil Adel wel Mosawa)
50% The New Delegation (Al Wafd Al Gadeeed) Party
50% Democratic Front (Gabha Democratiyya) Party
50% Egyptian Communist (Sheewaai) Party
46% The Arab Democratic Nasserist Party (Al Arabi Al Nasseri)
46% Arab Unification (Al Tawheed el Araby) Party
46% Reform and Renaissance (Eslah we Nahda) Party
46% The Dignity Party (Al-Karama)
42% The Current Egyptian Party (Al-Tayar Al-Masry)
42% Freedom Egypt (Masr al Hurreya) Party
42% The National Progressive Unionist (Tagammo' El Shaab El Eshtraky) Party
42% The Building and Development Party (Al-Benaa Wal Tanmeya)
42% The Virtue Party (Al-Fadyla)
42% Democratic Labour (Al Omal Democrati) Party
42% The Safety and Development Party (Al-Salama Wal Tanmeya)
38% You Are Egyptian (Ant Masry) Party
38% Civilisation (Al-Hadara) Party
34% Revolution Egypt (Masr el Thawra) Party
30% The Authenticity Party (Al-Assala Party)
Wait...question 2....do I support the revision of laws limiting women's right to divorce- does this mean I support revising the existing law which does limit this and changing it so there are no limits or do I support revising one so it becomes this?
Quote82%
The Socialist Popular Alliance (Al-Tehalaf al Shaabi al Eshtraky) Party
82%
Egyptian Social Democratic (Misry Democrati Egtimaee) Party
75%
Egyptian Communist (Sheewaai) Party
72%
The Arab Party for Justice and Equality (El Hezb el Araby lil Adel wel Mosawa)
68%
Democratic Labour (Al Omal Democrati) Party
68%
The National Progressive Unionist (Tagammo' El Shaab El Eshtraky) Party
68%
Reform and Development (Al Eslah we Tanmeyya) -Masrena (Our Egypt) Party
65%
The New Middle (Al Wasat Al Gadeed) Party
65%
The Arab Democratic Nasserist Party (Al Arabi Al Nasseri)
65%
Free Egypt (Misr Al-Hurra) Party
65%
Freedom Egypt (Masr al Hurreya) Party
65%
The Dignity Party (Al-Karama)
65%
The Modern Egypt Party. (Misr El Hadytha)
65%
Democratic Front (Gabha Democratiyya) Party
62%
The New Tomorrow (Al Ghad al Gadeed) Party
62%
The Building and Development Party (Al-Benaa Wal Tanmeya)
62%
Justice Party (Al Adl) Party
62%
Egyptian Citizen Party (Al-Moaten Al-Misri)
58%
The Current Egyptian Party (Al-Tayar Al-Masry)
58%
The New Delegation (Al Wafd Al Gadeeed) Party
58%
You Are Egyptian (Ant Masry) Party
55%
The Safety and Development Party (Al-Salama Wal Tanmeya)
51%
Reform and Renaissance (Eslah we Nahda) Party
51%
Freedom and Justice (Hurreyah we Adala) Party
48%
Civilisation (Al-Hadara) Party
48%
Arab Unification (Al Tawheed el Araby) Party
44%
The Virtue Party (Al-Fadyla)
44%
The Free Egyptians (Al Masreyeen Al Ahrar) Party
44%
Egyptian Knana (Quiver) Party
41%
Revolution Egypt (Masr el Thawra) Party
34%
The Authenticity Party (Al-Assala Party)
I have to say I absolutely love the name of my lowest match. The Authenticity party....
QuoteThe Socialist Popular Alliance (Al-Tehalaf al Shaabi al Eshtraky) Party
The formation of the leftist Socialist Popular Alliance Party was announced on March 12, 2011. The group is comprised of various leftist groups including the Trotskyites, the remnants of the People's Party, and the Jan 8 Movement, as well as a large number of former members of the National Progressive Unionist Party who resigned after several failed motions of no confidence against its president, Ref'aat El-Sa'eed. Its representative is the former Member of Parliament for the National Progressive Unionist Party, Abo Elez El-Hariry.
Website: http://egyleftparty.org/
General political and economic orientation
The party calls for the establishment of a civic, parliamentary state with a single representative council that has widespread influence on and oversight of military expenditures. The party also seeks the transformation of local administrations to local governments with real powers.
The party calls for an economic model which consists of three sectors: a public sector which falls under popular oversight, a cooperatives' sector in the fields of industry and agriculture, and a non-monopolistic private sector.
Quotes from the party manifesto
"The assertion of the civic nature of the police force and its restructuring under a political, civic leadership. The fulfilment of its oversight by judicial and civic agencies and the public. Prohibition against new security establishments which act as a substitute for the former state security apparatus."
"The establishment of a maximum wage which does not surpass fifteen times the minimum wage."
"The amendment of all legislations which discriminate against women, especially in family law."
"The severance of all diplomatic relations with the State of Israel. The end of all forms of public and cultural normalisation with Israel, paired with efforts for its international isolation."
About the party
Party members include Dr. Ibrahim El-Essawy; Son'allah Ibrahim, novelist; Dr. Mostafa Kamel El-Sayed, political science professor; Abdel Ghafar Shokr, leftist leader; Dr. Kamal Mogheith, psychologist and education expert; Fathy Embaby, novelist; Khaled El-Sawy, actor; and Taiseer Fahmy, actor; as well as Dr. Sayed El-Bahrawy, Dr. Fatma Khafagy, Dr. Amina Rasheed, and Helmy Shaarawy, university professors.
Well...I'm down with the leftism and socialism but communists? Ugh...
And yeah, the variety sucks, they need AV.
Quote from: Viking on November 09, 2011, 03:05:16 PM
I got 4 out of sheilbh's top 6 parties in my top 6 as well. It's worrying when the communists sound reasonable.
Yeah, but we can deal with Communists. Hell, we can
ally, with the Reds if need be. We've done it before. Commies are a nasty bunch, but there are far worse things.
Quote from: Ideologue on November 09, 2011, 05:10:38 PM
QuoteDo you think slums should be removed rather than developed, if adequate alternative houses for their residents is provided?
I don't know what this question means. Leave the Bronx?
Anyway, it said I was an Arab for Justice and Equality. You guys are a bunch of reds. But in disclosure, I think I might have thrown it when I (as an Egyptian) said I'd like to withdraw from the NPT.
:hug:
See, you can hug with nuclear arms. :)
The real Egyptian election test will be whether Egypt has elections. ;)
Odd results. I don't know why it's matching some of these parties at the bottom of my list so low.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 10, 2011, 02:43:57 PM
Odd results. I don't know why it's matching some of these parties at the bottom of my list so low.
My guess is that they're NDP/SCAF shells. So they're all down with female heads of state but also entirely behind, say, military trials, no civilian minister of defence, no civilian oversight of police and that sort of thing.
QuoteThe real Egyptian election test will be whether Egypt has elections.
I think they'll get this Parliamentary election in a couple of weeks. Though it won't be as positive as the Tunisians (they've fucked up on so much). The mismanagement by the SCAF has been extraordinary.
To give an example they got an election law. That law made it illegal for Egyptian citizens not in Egypt to vote. They were welcome to register to vote in Egypt and return for that purpose but they were not allowed to vote if they were out of Egypt. A case reached the High Court about this and it turns out that they'd also made it compulsory for all Egyptian citizens to vote, even if they were outside of Egypt, or face a £500 fine.
The next day the Administrative Court ruled that the SCAF had broken the law and couldn't restrict the rights of Egyptian citizens to vote. They needed to make provision for Egyptians living abroad to vote, abroad. That was decided I think four or five weeks before the date of the forthcoming election :lol:
Not looking good. :(
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/19/egypt-violent-clashes-cairo-injured?newsfeed=true
Quote
Egypt: violent clashes in Cairo leave two dead and hundreds injured
Egyptian security forces open fire on thousands of protesters in Tahrir Square, leaving two dead and more than 600 injured
Jack Shenker in Cairo
guardian.co.uk, Saturday 19 November 2011 16.59 EST
Egypt has been hit by another wave of major violence ahead of parliamentary elections after security forces opened fire on thousands of protesters demonstrating against the military junta.
Two people were reported dead and more than 600 injured in central Cairo after riot police sent volleys of tear gas, rubber bullets and "birdshot" pellet cartridges into the crowds. The clashes put further pressure on the ruling generals and cast doubt on the ability of police to secure the poll, scheduled to begin on 28 November.
"All options are on the table, but right now – given the state Egypt is in – nobody can see how the military council can pull off these elections," said Mahmoud Salem, a prominent blogger who is running for parliament but who has now frozen his campaign. "I'm at the international eye hospital at the moment with my friend Malek Mustafa, who has been shot in the head by police with a pellet cartridge and looks likely to lose his eye. How can I continue?"
Mustafa was one of dozens of demonstrators left with serious head wounds during the police assault on Tahrir Square. Trouble began after riot police moved to disperse tents set up after a large rally calling on Egypt's Supreme Council of Armed Forces (Scaf) to return the country to civilian rule.
Protesters succeeded in driving the security forces from the square and captured one of their trucks. Crowds jumped up and down on the vehicle, chanting "The interior ministry are thugs" and calling for the downfall of Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, the country's de facto leader since the toppling of Hosni Mubarak in February. It was later set ablaze.
By mid-afternoon police had returned to Tahrir in far larger numbers and began firing from armoured vehicles. Pro-change activists sent out calls for solidarity and as darkness fell police and the protesters saw their ranks swell. As the night wore on and control of Tahrir shifted back and forth between the security forces and demonstrators, running battles spilled down side streets and along several of downtown Cairo's most important thoroughfares.
The Observer saw heavy fighting along Talaat Harb street, a key shopping district and one of the main roads running into Tahrir Square. Street lighting was cut and amid the gloom hundreds of protesters tore up paving stones to throw at police lines, sporadically falling back as clouds of tear gas filled the air.
"The scenes are reminiscent of the Friday of Anger," said journalist and pro-change activist Hossam el-Hamalawy, referring to 28 January, the day protesters beat Mubarak's security forces off the streets during the uprising against his regime. "We are being hit with showers of US-made tear gas canisters, and I've watched with my own eyes at least five people being struck by rubber bullets."
A military police car which at one point approached the centre of the unrest was chased away by protesters, another sign of public support for the junta apparently waning. "Ordinary people are making a stronger link than ever between Scaf and the hated troops of the interior ministry," added el-Hamalawy. "The police and Scaf are revealing their true colours with this brutal attack on Egyptians. They have succeeded in only one thing today, and that is mobilising even more of Egyptian society against them."
By late evening the number of demonstrators had grown to several thousand with the arrival of the ultras – hardcore fans of Cairo's main football teams, some of whom played a significant role in the anti-regime uprising earlier this year – and some Islamist political groups, forcing police units to fall back from Tahrir where protesters quickly built barricades and fires continued to burn.
The retreat marked a significant blow to the security forces, which over the past few months have generally avoided attacking large protests, preferring to wait instead until numbers dwindle and the remaining activists can be isolated and labelled as hardcore troublemakers. On Saturday that tactic appeared to have backfired, with the police assault provoking a strong public response.
"Considering the small numbers that we had this morning, it's amazing," said Hady Kamar, a 26 year old artist who was hit twice by rubber bullets, once in the foot and once in the head. "When things looked darkest and the police had pushed us out of Tahrir, we returned in huge numbers. To see this many on the street and feel this much energy, is special. Today it feels like the revolution is back up and running, but we'll see what tomorrow brings. It's always been a day by day struggle."
Reprising many of the slogans used during mass protests against Mubarak, demonstrators vented their anger at Scaf and chanted 'Here is the revolution, nothing else'.
Many expressed scepticism about the elections, saying they were designed to entrench military control over the country, but most insisted they still wanted the vote to go ahead. "The generals want to rule Egypt, but this is our revolution," said Ahmed Mohamed, a 24-year-old accountant. "Look around you – you don't see different political parties or rival candidates, you just see the Egyptian people. People have come down from their homes to join the fight; we are battling the remnants of Mubarak's regime who remain in power at the moment, and both this and the elections are all part of that same process."
Solidarity rallies also erupted in the large cities of Alexandria and Suez. Egypt's interior ministry claimed its forces had acted with restraint, and blamed protesters for escalating tensions so close the parliamentary vote.
On Friday a group of prominent intellectuals, including former UN nuclear weapons chief Mohamed ElBaradei, unveiled an alternative transition plan which would involve postponing the parliamentary ballot and wresting executive control of Egypt away from the armed forces whilst a new constitution is drawn up.
The ruling generals have yet to respond to the proposal.
Surprise!
The violence at the protest's obviously very sad, but I think it's probably a good thing that the protests are back. The SCAF has bungled a lot, at best. But, generally speaking, whenever faced with protests they've pretty much conceded. For example over their suggestions that there should be a constitutional clause that Parliament shouldn't have oversight of the defence budget.
Also important I think is that the Islamists got fully involved in this protest which is, I think, rather significant and positive. If it was just the usual liberal 'youth' protesting I think this'd have less traction.
I really hope Egypt fails and they all starve to death.
Quote from: Siege on November 19, 2011, 11:13:14 PM
I really hope Egypt fails and they all starve to death.
:)
Quote from: Tyr on November 09, 2011, 11:33:09 PM
Wait...question 2....do I support the revision of laws limiting women's right to divorce- does this mean I support revising the existing law which does limit this and changing it so there are no limits or do I support revising one so it becomes this?
If you click on the info button it is explained. Basically, currently women pretty much always get custody of children after divorce and the father's contact is limited, or something.
I got social democrats at the top, communists further down.
Quote from: Viking on November 09, 2011, 03:05:16 PM
I got 4 out of sheilbh's top 6 parties in my top 6 as well. It's worrying when the communists sound reasonable.
No kidding. It seems that not being an islamofascist (literally) makes you a commie in Egypt.
Anyway, I'd vote for the party that doesn't want to kill gays. Any one?
Quote from: Martinus on November 20, 2011, 03:35:33 PM
Anyway, I'd vote for the party that doesn't want to kill gays. Any one?
Thankfully, there are atleast SOME areas in which muslims are progressive.
22 Eyptians killed while demonstrating. :(
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45383062/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/#.TsqiInJ9ZFF
:)
That'll teach future protesters to have an infantile trust in the army.
Speaking of Egyptians, I'd give safe refuge to naked blogger chick over there.
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 21, 2011, 05:13:15 PM
Speaking of Egyptians, I'd give safe refuge to naked blogger chick over there.
Link please.
I'm currently unable to access nekkid shit right now.
Edit: And I'm getting a jailbait vibe now. Ignore all my comments. icky.
Arab? Naked? Underage? This looks like a job for SIEGEBREAKER.
Hell no. You can keep your islamotards.
Quote from: Jacob on November 21, 2011, 05:22:31 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on November 21, 2011, 05:13:15 PM
Speaking of Egyptians, I'd give safe refuge to naked blogger chick over there.
Link please.
"The twenty-year old Egyptian Aliaa Elmahdy..." Too old for Siege, and also the name so you can google if you want.
72%
The Socialist Popular Alliance (Al-Tehalaf al Shaabi al Eshtraky) Party
72%
Egyptian Social Democratic (Misry Democrati Egtimaee) Party
68%
The Arab Party for Justice and Equality (El Hezb el Araby lil Adel wel Mosawa)
68%
Reform and Development (Al Eslah we Tanmeyya) -Masrena (Our Egypt) Party
68%
The Modern Egypt Party. (Misr El Hadytha)
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Actually, every time I see Siege's name I think of the word "chair".
QuoteELECTIONNAIRE RESULTS
The Electionnaire has matched you answers to the positions stated by the political parties.
Click on the results to compare your individual answers to those of a specific party.
Click on Party profiles to get more information on individual parties.
69%
Reform and Development (Al Eslah we Tanmeyya) -Masrena (Our Egypt) Party
69%
Free Egypt (Misr Al-Hurra) Party
60%
Justice Party (Al Adl) Party
60%
The Modern Egypt Party. (Misr El Hadytha)
60%
The New Tomorrow (Al Ghad al Gadeed) Party
60%
The New Middle (Al Wasat Al Gadeed) Party
60%
Egyptian Citizen Party (Al-Moaten Al-Misri)
I cut all the below-60s.
Top three:
QuoteReform and Development (Al Eslah we Tanmeyya) -Masrena (Our Egypt) Party
This political party was established in June 2011 after the merger of the Reformation and Development Party with the Masrena Party. Its current president is businessman Ramy Lakah.
The party's website is: http://www.rdpegypt.org
General political and economic orientation
The party calls for a republican-parliamentary rule, where the Prime Minister is assigned his post by the President of the Republic. The PM then proposes several candidates to ministerial positions for the President to approve or reject, given that authority is practiced with responsibility in front of the people, and the President is the judge among the authorities.
On the economic level, the party calls for creating a system based on economic freedom of market mechanisms and the free movement of factors of production as a basis for organising the national economy. Meanwhile the state is responsible for the development of social and economic policies that protect citizens from poverty and guarantee a fair distribution of national income.
Quotes from the party manifesto
"Decentralisation is one of the most important tools of any advanced political system as it involves expansion of regional units and local communities. It also allows elected local councils to have the highest authority over their local domain. According to this system, all governors, and city and town chiefs should be appointed by direct and free elections."
"All laws regulating the capitalist market system need to be re-examined, i.e. social insurance laws and public control laws that include civil society organisations' as well as all trade union laws."
"All state authorities must employ methods of liberalising the market to reach a balanced form of capitalism."
"Introducing unemployment benefits and maintaining support for projects that protect and promote the local private sector, especially in labour-intensive areas."
"Abolishing the Ministry of Information, as in a real democratic regime the government ensures that every person's opinion is expressed. Thus, the state cannot own or run newspapers."
"Establishing a Higher Council for developing education has become a pressing need as Egypt, once considered a pioneer of the world knowledge, has now become a country with one of the highest illiteracy rates and the lowest participation in global development and research of interest to humankind."
"Encouraging farmers to expand in planting wheat by having the government provide suitable supply prices to farmers based on international prices, while raising the supply price of beet so as to maintain a balance with wheat prices. There must be a balance of prices between rice and corn via agricultural rotations of wheat and corn crops to get the highest production."
"The concept of the sovereignty of the law should be the cornerstone of the Constitution as all citizens are equal before the law, without discrimination based on race, religion or region, since over the centuries Egypt has been a beacon of freedom, democracy and equality."
"Conforming to all international human rights pacts and conventions, asserting that there shall be no discrimination among citizens based on religion, gender or any other criterion, and explicitly protecting these rights and freedoms in the Constitution, while banning and criminalising the detention and restriction of people's freedom without issuance of court rulings."
"Increasing transparency and accountability of executive authority members, giving the Parliament the opportunity to penalise a Prime Minister and to remove him from office if needed."
About the party
The party was established with the merger of two parties: namely the Reformation and Development Party and Masrena Party. The former announced its establishment on January 6, 2009 with Anwar Esmat Al-Sadat as its undersecretary. The Administrative Court's Political Party Circuit also gave the approval for its establishment in May 2011.
Masrena Party's establishment was announced by businessman Ramy Lakah, who took up party leadership for a transitional phase of two years.
QuoteFree Egypt (Misr Al-Hurra) Party
Free Egypt is a political liberal party that announced its establishment in March 2011. The founders' undersecretary is Dr. Abdullah El-Ashaal.
General political and economic orientation
The party calls for a civil state, which applies parliamentary democracy where the President is honorary, oversees the implementation of the constitution and intervenes in case of disagreement among the available parties.
On the economic level, the party calls for rebuilding the economy on the basis of social justice, rebuilding an industrial base, and rehabilitating the agricultural sector.
Quotes from the party manifesto
"Closing ports of corruption using awareness and punishment, asserting the sanctity of public funds and public office as money and position that are the property of the community, which allow the government to put the required regulations to make use of that money."
"Rehabilitating state agencies according to the law and without oppression; having a state based on satisfaction, compatibility, and acceptance and that enjoys the legitimacy of the voter, the law and safe performance and penalisation."
"All aid and political donations given to the State should be stopped, whilst maintaining and deepening international relations and fruitful international co-operation based on higher national interests. Creating an integrated humane society that grows above the domination and brutality of globalisation."
"Creating an independent ministry concerned with the Nile River affairs. Its mission is to guarantee Egypt's portion of the Nile in co-ordination with relevant ministries."
"Rehabilitating marginalised provinces, remote villages, Sinai, the Western Desert, Nubia, Halaib and Shalatin."
"Addressing the issue of unemployment with urgent solutions in an economic, social, political framework guaranteeing all members of society the right to work and equal wages."
QuoteJustice Party (Al Adl) Party
The Justice Party is one of a number of parties established following the recent Egyptian revolution. It obtained the approval of the Party Affairs Committee on the June 26, 2011. The party has a co-ordinating committee that consists of Dr.Ahmed Shokry, AbdelMonem Aly, Mohammed Hafez, Dr. Mostafa El Naggar and Hesham Akram. This situation is underway until their first internal elections in April 2012.
The party's website: http://wwww.eladl.org
General political and economic orientation
In the first phase after the revolution, the party calls for the continuation of the presidential regime but with limited powers of the president, till the establishment of political parties and the revival of the partisan map. This should allow a convenient base for partisan competition that paves the way for a real parliamentary regime.
On the economic level, the party aims to establish a free economy system where both local and foreign private sectors are major actors in achieving its goals. In this system, the state plays the role of the observer, catalyst and regulator.
Quotes from the party manifesto
"Expanding elections to executive branch on all levels (mayors, district presidents, local councils, governors, universities, clubs and student unions...etc.)"
"Freedom of religious belief, protection of the rights of practicing religious rituals and the freedom of publicity as long as it does not conflict with the beliefs of others, with laws regulating the means of publicity, its funding and places. Religious institutions should be independent of the state financially and administratively, and should be free to work within the frame of civil society but not in politics."
"Establishing a free economy system that aims at providing social justice, balanced growth and equal opportunities to all Egyptians."
"Dependence on new and renewable sources of energy which have a great potential in Egypt."
"Establishing an independent body to observe the performance of national media institutions to ensure its independence and the maintenance of the values of the society."
Quote from: Razgovory on November 21, 2011, 09:00:35 PM
Actually, every time I see Siege's name I think of the word "chair".
Electric?
Revolution's back:
QuoteEgypt's government offers to resign as protests grow
Generals have opened crisis talks with civilian political leaders after widespread violence continued to plunge Egypt into turmoil
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Egypt's cabinet tendered its resignation as clashes raged in Tahrir Square between police and protesters demanding democratic change in the country. Photograph: Mahmud Khaled/AFP
Egypt's ruling generals have opened crisis talks with civilian political leaders after the entire government tendered its resignation and widespread street violence continued to plunge the country into turmoil.
At least 33 people have been killed and more than 2,000 injured following a third day of clashes in Cairo and beyond, with confirmation emerging for the first time that security forces have been firing live ammunition at demonstrators.
With under a week to go until nationwide parliamentary elections are due to begin, beleaguered interim prime minister Essam Sharaf announced he and his cabinet were willing to step down in a bid to quell the growing unrest. But the offer – which at midnight on Monday had yet to be accepted by the military junta – appeared unlikely to appease demonstrators who continued to flock to city centres across the country demanding that the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (Scaf) cede power and hand Egypt over to civilian rule.
In a late-night statement to the nation, the army generals appealed for calm and expressed 'deep regret' for the deaths of protesters. But as fierce fighting between revolutionaries and armed police showed no sign of letting up and video footage of police and army brutality against unarmed demonstrators continued to circulate, their calls for self-restraint seemed destined to fall on deaf ears.
"The Scaf only have two choices – they obey the will of the people, or Egypt burns," said Ramy el-Swissy, a leading member of the April 6th youth movement which is one of several organisations that has announced plans for a 'million-man' occupation of Tahrir today.
A broad coalition of revolutionary movements from across the political spectrum, including leftist, liberal and Islamist organisations, also threw their full weight behind the protests. "We confirm our readiness to face all the forces that aim to abort the revolution, reproduce the old regime, or drag the country into chaos and turn the revolution into a military coup," said a joint statement by 37 groups.
The Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's largest organised political movement, added its voice to the chorus of discontent, accusing Scaf of contradicting 'all human, religious and patriotic values' with their callousness and warning that the revolution that overthrew former president Hosni Mubarak earlier this year was able to rise again.
"What happened is a heinous crime, expressing a dark deep desire, an attempt to lure faithful patriotic citizens in order to crush them and spread chaos everywhere," said the Brotherhood in a statement. "All this proves that there are certain parties who have no problem burning Egypt, our homeland, and killing young people in order to herd the entire public into blind obedience, into tyranny and corruption and slavery yet again."
The organisation also announced it was temporarily suspending all electoral activities, but unlike many liberal and leftist parties it has yet to cancel its campaign.
Earlier in the day a last-ditch effort by the junta to stem the violence by offering concessions to their critics – including the passing of a long-awaited "treachery law" that would bar former members of Hosni Mubarak's now-disbanded ruling party from running in the upcoming elections, which are now less than a week away – appeared only to galvanise resistance, as did the later announcement of Sharaf's proposed resignation.
"The Egyptians have accepted being beaten, arrested and lied to by their political leaders for sixty years, but after everything we went through, we are not going to accept it anymore." said Gamila Ismail, a parliamentary candidate who has now suspended her campaign and joined the protests in central Cairo.
"The message being sent to Scaf by Egypt's youth is: 'shoot me in the eye, burn away my flesh, and then I will go and fix myself up at the field hospital and come straight back to the struggle'," she added. "They used to dream of cars, houses and leaving the country; now they dream of standing in Tahrir. The age of authoritarianism is over, no one can tell the Egyptians what to do anymore."
Despite continued denials by the authorities, evidence has emerged that some police or army units are using live ammunition on protesters.
Researchers from the Egyptian Initiative for Human Rights, a Cairo-based human rights organisation, told the Guardian they had confirmation that the bodies of four people killed by live bullets were in the city's main morgue. The victims were all aged between 19 and 27.
William Hague, the British foreign minister, said the violence was of "great concern" but added that the UK would not be taking sides.
The US urged Egypt to go ahead with the elections and called for restraint on all sides. The White House spokesman, Jay Carney, said: "The United States continues to believe that these tragic events should not stand in the way of elections." His comments came as clashes continued in the side streets off Tahrir Square, with the frontline between protesters and armed police shifting back and forth throughout the day.
At one point teargas was fired by the security forces into a makeshift field hospital off the central plaza, forcing volunteer doctors and wounded protesters to flee. Nearby mosques and churches opened their doors to the injured, though medics said they were vastly under-resourced and struggling to keep count of the casualties.
Some demonstrators took to writing the contact details of their families on their arms before joining the fray so they can be identified if killed. Meanwhile Tahrir's main holding station for fatalities said it had run out of coffins, and appealed for a fresh supply.
By nightfall Tahrir had become a surreal mix of the festive and the fearful, with singing, drums and the wail of ambulance sirens echoing through the gloom. Sporadic explosions could be heard on the south-west corner of the square, where heavy fighting continued in the side streets around the interior ministry.
Beyond the capital, unrest has spread to almost every major urban centre in the country, including Ismailia on the Suez Canal and the strategically important town of al-Arish in the northern Sinai peninsula. In Egypt's second-largest city, the Mediterranean port of Alexandria, thousands of students took to the streets after the death of a second protester.
This re-emphasises the view I've had that the SCAF aren't svengalis blocking Egypt's transition and behind everything in the past 11 months. They're just kind-of incompetent bunglers with guns who need to return to their barracks.
Apparently the Salafis are building (with wood!) a field hospital in the square. They've had some confrontations though. They're doing the usual 'one hand chants' while the rest of the crowd are accusing them of being 'thieves of the revolution'. There's normally a lull reportedly when the SCAF attack.
Finally, I mentioned it in another thread, but I'm really intrigued by Kuwait. A few nights ago they stormed Parliament and want the PM sacked. Tonight there's apparently been a third night of protests by 10 000s of Kuwaitis - which is surprising. Unfortunately there's no footage. Hopefully it won't end with GCC imposed peace like Bahrain - backed by tacit Western approval. No doubt we'll issue a statement soon calling on all sides, both the unarmed peaceful protestors and the military, to show restraint.
What good is these guys resigning going to do? Whose available to replace them?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 22, 2011, 12:01:10 PM
What good is these guys resigning going to do? Whose available to replace them?
We're in talks.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 22, 2011, 12:01:10 PM
What good is these guys resigning going to do? Whose available to replace them?
Show they're not willing to serve as the presentable face of the regime? Loads of people.
I believe there's talk of a national salvation government and even rumours that el Baradei might be appointed PM. But nothing's clear, especially after Tantawi's speech.
It's a liberal democracy now so how bad can it be?
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 22, 2011, 12:01:10 PM
What good is these guys resigning going to do? Whose available to replace them?
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But seriously....
I told you so. They just swapped out Mubarak with Tantawi. Egyptian society, like all failed revolutions, were not revolting for some principle (like the Puritans and Americans in the ECW and American Revolution), they were revolting against injustice and blamed that injustice not on the nature of the system but rather on the character of the leadership. If the Arab Spring Mk.II doesn't fight FOR something they will again lose everything.
Fuck you, Viking.
This is the real deal:
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First round of voting started today. The turnout's higher than expected, things seem to be going better than expected. Muslim Brotherhood will no doubt do very well. It'll be interesting to see how well they and the Salafis do.
Aside from that I love this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2011/nov/22/egypt-election-political-parties-interactive
Some handle with care preliminary results:
http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/3331/egyptian-elections_preliminary-results_updated-
Apparently early reports (and there are many rounds, Egypt's gone for an Indian style vote over several weeks) have the FJP (Muslim Brotherhood) on 47%. Next largest vote is reportedly about 25% for the liberal Egyptian Bloc. In some areas looks like the Salafis are coming second to FJP, but don'tgenerally seem to be doing as well as they'd hoped.
FJP:
http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/3154/freedom-and-justice-party
Egyptian Bloc:
http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/3161/egyptian-bloc
Edit: Seems the Salafis are now coming second in most areas.