Somehow I do not think this will go well for them.
Thanks for the heads up Mbutt
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2011/10/31/hacker-group-threatens-mexicos-zetas-dug-cartel/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZL0E1J7wOg
QuoteMexico's Zetas Drug Cartel Threatened By 'Anonymous' Hacker Group
Published October 31, 2011
In a video posted on the Internet, the international hacker movement "Anonymous" threatened to reveal police and media members allied with Mexico's Zetas drug cartel unless a kidnapped member of the hacker group is freed by the cartel.
The YouTube message, which claims to be from Anonymous "Veracruz, Mexico and the world," says it is "tired of the criminal group the Zetas, which is dedicated to kidnapping, stealing and extortion," and threatens to fight back with information instead of weapons.
It said it knows of police officers, journalists, taxi drivers and others working with the Zetas.
The video refers to an unidentified person kidnapped in the coastal city of Veracruz, and says: "You have made a great mistake by taking one of us. Free him."
The hacker group, which has claimed responsibility for attacks on corporate and government websites worldwide, supposedly will act Friday if the kidnapped activist is not freed or is harmed, according to the message.
"We cannot defend ourselves with weapons, but we can with their cars, houses, bars," the message adds, apparently alluding to properties owned by cartel supporters. "It's not difficult. We know who they are and where they are are."
"Information is free," it says. "We do not forgive. We do not forget."
An official with the Veracruz state attorney general's office, who could not be named because he was not authorized to speak on the record, said the office could not confirm video's authenticity or the case of the kidnapping.
Veracruz, an oil state on the Gulf of Mexico with a major port of the same name, has seen a spike in drug violence in recent months in what authorities say is a battle between the Zetas drug cartel, which has controlled the territory for at least a year, and its rivals. Dozens of bodies have been showing up in recent weeks, including the dumping of 35 last month on a main highway in rush-hour traffic in the city of Boca del Rio.
Two other Internet postings since July have announced the arrival of group that calls itself the "Mata Zetas," or Zeta Killers, who authorities say are likely aligned with the powerful Sinaloa Cartel. Others have raised questions about whether the group's members are vigilantes or other rogue bands taking justice into their own hands against the Zetas.
The new message, presented by someone wearing a theater mask that is a trademark of Anonymous, was reportedly uploaded to websites early this month, but was first reported Friday on the website of the global intelligence think tank Stratfor.
Stratfor, in its analysis of the video, said anyone exposed by Anonymous as a Zetas collaborator — accurately or not — would be targeted by rival gangs, and the Zetas could respond by attacking Internet activists even if they are not affiliated with Anonymous.
Three people have been killed recently in the northern states of Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas by suspected Zetas who apparently believed the victims used the Internet to spread information about the gang.
computer sales are gonna go down as they start killing anyone with a computer
This is interesting.
Whoever loses, we win. :)
Quote from: HVC on October 31, 2011, 11:17:21 AM
computer sales are gonna go down as they start killing anyone with a computer
Pffft, I'm sure most of the gangsters are walking around with iphones these days.
Yes. Threatening a cartel. What could possibly go wrong?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 31, 2011, 11:25:58 AM
Quote from: HVC on October 31, 2011, 11:17:21 AM
computer sales are gonna go down as they start killing anyone with a computer
Pffft, I'm sure most of the gangsters are walking around with iphones these days.
paranoid coke heads aren't the best at thinking through a plan :lol:
And really....the big plan is to get a bunch of people offed by other cartels when they release their names? Not to mention their own guy.
I mean, sure, what is considered one of the nastiest cartels out there might release him. I'd think they're more likely to kill him, his family, and every one of his friends they can find instead though.
I doubt they think that he'll actually get released MBM. I think this is more an act of vengeance and warning. I.e., screw with us and you'll suffer.
I also found this story interesting.
http://gawker.com/5851459/vigilante-hackers-wage-war-on-underground-kiddie-porn
QuoteVigilante Hackers Wage War on Underground Kiddie Porn
Just below the surface of the internet sits a network of hidden websites home to some of the worst stuff imaginable. Now hackers are going after pedophiles hiding in the so-called dark net.
Since the beginning of October, a group of hackers associated with the hacktivist collective Anonymous have waged war on an underground forum called Lolita City, where hundreds of users openly trade child porn. They're using hacking tools with nicknames like "Chris Hansen"—after the NBC "To Catch a Predator" host—to bring down the forum and identify users. They call their crusade OpDarkNet.
Lolita City lives on the "dark net," a sort of shadow internet hidden from most internet users. The dark net has sprung up around a service called TOR, which lets anyone host websites and browse the web anonymously with an easy-to-use suite of software. TOR is primarily aimed at protecting activists from oppressive governments, and ensuring privacy for normal internet users.
But it's also become a favorite tool of cybercriminals, hackers, pedophiles and drug dealers. In August, Dutch authorities took down four child porn forums on TOR run by 27-year-old Robert Mikelsons. The underground drug market Silk Road we profiled this summer also uses TOR; the illict activity on the dark net recently attracted the attention of New York senator Chuck Schumer, who demanded the DEA shut down Silk Road.
Vigilante Hackers Wage War on Underground Kiddie PornIt also attracted the attention of the team of about a half-dozen vigilante Anonymous hackers now attacking Lolita City. Where Anonymous is often portrayed as dangerous cybercriminals, these hackers wanted to go after criminals themselves.
"We have been targeting them in secret for a while now, taking down their servers as much as possible," one hacker named Arson told us in a chat. "We decided to seek media attention for this operation so that we may get the resources needed to shut them down on a more permanent basis."
As part of their campaign, the hackers infiltrated the members-only board with fake accounts then uploaded scores of clips of "To Catch a Predator," masquerading as child porn. They leaked a list of more than 1,500 Lolita City usernames, and crashed Lolita City's web host—a popular dark net outfit called Freedom Hosting.
"The owners and operators at Freedom Hosting are openly supporting child pornography and enabling pedophiles to view innocent children, fueling their issues and putting children at risk of abduction, molestation, rape and death," the hackers said in a press release. "For this, Freedom Hosting has been declared #OpDarknet Enemy Number One... We will continue to not only crash Freedom Hosting's server, but any other server we find to contain, promote, or support child pornography."
Vigilante Hackers Wage War on Underground Kiddie PornOn the dark net, Lolita City is fairly notorious as a den of pedophiles and gets hundreds of thousands of views a day. The hackers claim it hosts more than 100 GB of child porn. In a censored screenshot one of the hackers sent us, Lolita City users are seen discussing an image of what the hacker says is a young girl being abused.
"Would definitely fuck her and cum deep in her cunt mouth and ass," wrote a user named childfugger. There are pages of comments like that—37,079 in all—and this is just one subsection.
Vigilante Hackers Wage War on Underground Kiddie PornOn message boards and in chat rooms on the dark net, the hackers' crusade against Lolita City has sparked a firestorm. Many who use the dark net see it as a protected space for free speech and privacy, not for pedophiles. They despise child porn forums because it stains the reputation of the dark net and the TOR network it relies on, and they stage their own crusades against it. For years, computer experts have been trying to build a system to track pedophiles on TOR.
The OpDarkNet hackers say they're motivated by a similar wish to clean out the dark net. Child porn "tarnishes the purpose of TOR... which was originally built to protect people in China and Iran from their government," a hacker named Vicious told me.
But people who frequent the dark net are concerned with the attention the brash hackers are likely to attract. "Nobody likes those guys," a user nicknamed Immanuel said of OpDarkNet. He accused them of "showboating," with their press releases and data dumps. A better way to take down pedophiles would be to quietly forward the information to authorities: "Then the cops could've conducted a real investigation and actually caught people red-handed and in possession of CP [child porn]," he said.
Another user named NoReason said OpDarkNet reflected a recent influx of users that had unsettled the dark net: "A few months ago new people started to arrive to the TOR network sites, I guess it was just a matter of time for something like this to happen."
Indeed, the recent hacker frenzy sparked by hacking groups like Anonymous and LulzSec has raised the profile of the dark net, which had previously only been whispered about on forums and in blog comments. The digital underground is blowing up. And if that new attention flushes pedophiles out of this dark corner of the internet, all the better.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 31, 2011, 11:57:12 AM
I doubt they think that he'll actually get released MBM. I think this is more an act of vengeance and warning. I.e., screw with us and you'll suffer.
Well shit, it's not like replacements for the people they "out" can't be purchased.
They need to stick to outing pedos and stop fucking around with cartels that kill people for fun.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 31, 2011, 12:00:56 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 31, 2011, 11:57:12 AM
I doubt they think that he'll actually get released MBM. I think this is more an act of vengeance and warning. I.e., screw with us and you'll suffer.
Well shit, it's not like replacements for the people they "out" can't be purchased.
They need to stick to outing pedos and stop fucking around with cartels that kill people for fun.
Getting a bunch of Zetas killed is good for their internet street cred.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on October 31, 2011, 12:04:03 PM
Getting a bunch of Zetas killed is good for their internet street cred.
We'll probably end up with some sort of ytmnd scoreboard.
The way they've stolen V for Vendetta for themselves, which in turn kind of stole Guy Fawkes, makes me sad.
Anyway, this is interesting, wonder how it'll work out. Its not like the zetas can stop them, its probally some guy far from Mexico who plans to do the releasing.
As shocking as it may sound, they do let Mexican gangsters on planes.
Quote from: Tyr on October 31, 2011, 12:27:40 PM
Anyway, this is interesting, wonder how it'll work out.
Here, this will give you some idea:
Quote from: from the OP articleThree people have been killed recently in the northern states of Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas by suspected Zetas who apparently believed the victims used the Internet to spread information about the gang.
Quote from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15520912In September the bodies of a man and woman were found hanging from a bridge in the northern city of Nuevo Laredo.
Attached signs read: "This is going to happen to all of those posting funny things on the internet" and listed the names of two blogs.
Quote from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Zetas_CartelThey have also carried out multiple massacres and terrorist attacks on civilians, such as the 2011 Monterrey casino attack, where 52 people were killed,[20] the 2010 Tamaulipas massacre, where 72 migrants were found dead,[21] the 2011 Tamaulipas massacre, where 193 people were killed,[22] the massacre of 27 farmers in Guatemala,[23] and the 2008 Morelia grenade attacks, where 8 were killed and over 100 were injured.[24] In addition, sources reveal that Los Zetas may also be responsible for the death of 249 people at the 2011 Durango massacres[25] and for the 2010 Puebla oil pipeline explosion, which killed 28 people, injured 52, and damaged over 115 homes.[26]
So the question is, will they be able to find these anonymous guys? What will they do if the anonymous guys live outside of Mexico?
On the other hand, what will the Zetas do if anonymous does release compromising information on them? Everyone predicts violence of some sort, but what will the Zetas do if they can't actually silence the info dumps or whatever?
Quote from: Jacob on October 31, 2011, 01:44:32 PM
So the question is, will they be able to find these anonymous guys? What will they do if the anonymous guys live outside of Mexico?
On the other hand, what will the Zetas do if anonymous does release compromising information on them? Everyone predicts violence of some sort, but what will the Zetas do if they can't actually silence the info dumps or whatever?
Houston Chronicle says the dude making the threats sounds like a Spaniard.
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Online-hackers-threaten-to-expose-cartel-s-secrets-2242068.php
If they really do have a list of actual collaborators and gang members and release it then a bunch of them are gonna end up killed by rival gangs. That way Anonymous can point at what happened and say "Don't fuck with us or this will happen."
Of course on the downside this will result in retaliatory killings against bloggers and hackers in Mexico and on the border as well as general intensification of the on going gang warfare. Whether they can actually find anonymous members is questionable, but if they can't they'll just kill some high profile Mexican bloggers as a warning.
What's worse, if the names that they release aren't actually Zeta co-conspirators they're going to end up dead anyways. Of course some of the low level collaborators were black mailed into working with the Zetas, so even if the info on them is accurate disclosing their names is still morally gray.
I don't think a bunch of Script Kiddies really want play rough with drug cartels. Well, they may think they can get away with it, but they'll learn the hard way it's a bad idea.
Yeah, it's a terrible idea. The cartels have plenty of money to hire computer gurus to track them down.
It's so nice of those kids sitting at home in middle America to release information that gets people horribly killed by drug gangs.
So it seems the conflict is off, and anonymous achieved their stated goal. The Zetas released the kidnapped hacker and made some dire threats if any names were released. In return, anonymous decided not to release the list of names.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/11/anonymous-calls-off-outing-of-narco-cartel-after-release-of-kidnapped-member.ars
Quote from: Jacob on November 04, 2011, 04:55:47 PM
So it seems the conflict is off, and anonymous achieved their stated goal. The Zetas released the kidnapped hacker and made some dire threats if any names were released. In return, anonymous decided not to release the list of names.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/11/anonymous-calls-off-outing-of-narco-cartel-after-release-of-kidnapped-member.ars
You know the Zetas are making a list and checking it twice. To see who was naughty and who was nice.
Quote from: Jacob on November 04, 2011, 04:55:47 PM
So it seems the conflict is off
Postponed. Anonymous has made an enemy who doesn't care about the rule of law.
Quote from: fahdiz on November 04, 2011, 06:04:57 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 04, 2011, 04:55:47 PM
So it seems the conflict is off
Postponed. Anonymous has made an enemy who doesn't care about the rule of law.
Alright. It seems like the conflagration is off. Presumably, Anonymous is still sitting on the list so the Zeta's won't want to do anything unless they can make sure they get the list as well.
In other anon news, apparently they got info on a whole bunch of kiddie porn lovers: http://gawker.com/5855604/elaborate-anonymous-sting-snags-190-kiddie-porn-fans
Quote from: Jacob on November 04, 2011, 06:21:10 PM
In other anon news, apparently they got info on a whole bunch of kiddie porn lovers: http://gawker.com/5855604/elaborate-anonymous-sting-snags-190-kiddie-porn-fans
Saw that. Pretty damned awesome, if you ask me.
Quote from: Jacob on November 04, 2011, 04:55:47 PM
So it seems the conflict is off, and anonymous achieved their stated goal. The Zetas released the kidnapped hacker and made some dire threats if any names were released. In return, anonymous decided not to release the list of names.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/11/anonymous-calls-off-outing-of-narco-cartel-after-release-of-kidnapped-member.ars
I'm amazed that guy isn't dead! :blink:
Quote from: fahdiz on November 04, 2011, 06:22:15 PM
Quote from: Jacob on November 04, 2011, 06:21:10 PM
In other anon news, apparently they got info on a whole bunch of kiddie porn lovers: http://gawker.com/5855604/elaborate-anonymous-sting-snags-190-kiddie-porn-fans
Saw that. Pretty damned awesome, if you ask me.
Definitely. Not the first time they've done it either I don't think.
Quote from: Jacob on November 04, 2011, 04:55:47 PM
So it seems the conflict is off, and anonymous achieved their stated goal. The Zetas released the kidnapped hacker and made some dire threats if any names were released. In return, anonymous decided not to release the list of names.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/11/anonymous-calls-off-outing-of-narco-cartel-after-release-of-kidnapped-member.ars
Curious.
I wonder why Zetas and the likes haven't been classified as terrorist groups yet. Surely their tactics qualify for the label.
I guess only non-profits qualify.
Why not B-52s?
Quote from: Ideologue on November 05, 2011, 02:33:39 AM
Why not B-52s?
Their music might be bad, but not bad enough to qualify as a terrorist group.
Quote from: Tonitrus on November 05, 2011, 02:35:34 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on November 05, 2011, 02:33:39 AM
Why not B-52s?
Their music might be bad, but not bad enough to qualify as a terrorist group.
You joyless monster.
Quote from: DGuller on November 05, 2011, 12:14:10 AM
I wonder why Zetas and the likes haven't been classified as terrorist groups yet. Surely their tactics qualify for the label.
America would have to invade.
Quote from: DGuller on November 05, 2011, 12:14:10 AM
I wonder why Zetas and the likes haven't been classified as terrorist groups yet. Surely their tactics qualify for the label.
Actually that's a good question. Considering what the Cartels are stooping to they really should be labeled terrorist groups. I was looking at the legal definition of terrorism for the State Department and they seem to fit. For Instance:
QuoteThe seizing or detaining, and threatening to kill, injure, or continue to detain, another individual in order to compel a third person (including a governmental organization) to do or abstain from doing any act as an explicit or implicit condition for the release of the individual seized or detained.
Seems to fit pretty well. Not to mention the bomb attacks, and assorted massacres. These groups are not overtly political, but I think have actually gotten beyond mere gangsterism. The reason why they haven't been so labeled is probably turf war. The DEA probably wouldn't like it they lost more authority on this front.