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Title: FM 2012
Post by: The Larch on October 20, 2011, 12:33:20 PM
So, who is getting it tomorrow?  :ph34r:
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on October 20, 2011, 12:33:46 PM
 :hug:
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on October 20, 2011, 12:53:49 PM
By the weekend for sure.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Pedrito on October 20, 2011, 04:33:45 PM
Already preloaded :yeah:

L.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Pedrito on October 21, 2011, 02:17:00 AM
Now we only need confirmation from Norgy and FunkMonk, and we'll let Sports Interactive know that their Languish fanbase is 100% FM12 updated  ;)

L.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: The Larch on October 21, 2011, 02:20:59 AM
I'll get to it in the evening.  :)

How much does it cost via Steam?
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on October 21, 2011, 02:21:40 AM
I've met people who

A) purchase every second edition of FM
B) don't update because they don't want to "get divorced"/"lose their job"

I don't understand people like that.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Pedrito on October 21, 2011, 02:31:44 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 21, 2011, 02:20:59 AM
I'll get to it in the evening.  :)

How much does it cost via Steam?
49,99 €, the download is about 2.3 gigs. If you have a fast connection, in half an hour you're done.

I'm starting to like Steam more and more lately: the ability to install games on different devices without having to juggle CDs is making the difference for me. Sure, the downloads are often huge (Total War games range from 5 to 12 gigs  :huh:).

L.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Liep on October 21, 2011, 02:38:40 AM
Quote from: Josephus on October 20, 2011, 12:53:49 PM
By the weekend for sure.

Ditto.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Pedrito on October 21, 2011, 02:39:40 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on October 21, 2011, 02:17:00 AM
Now we only need confirmation from Norgy and FunkMonk, and we'll let Sports Interactive know that their Languish fanbase is 100% FM12 updated  ;)

L.
Darn, I forgot Liep.  :blush:

L.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Liep on October 21, 2011, 02:46:08 AM
:weep:
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: The Larch on October 21, 2011, 03:41:18 AM
Quote from: Viking on October 21, 2011, 02:21:40 AM
I've met people who

A) purchase every second edition of FM
B) don't update because they don't want to "get divorced"/"lose their job"

I don't understand people like that.

I'm in the A) group. I'm not such a dedicated player and can wait one year until they fine tune their new implementations and I end up milking the one I buy for all it has. I tried FM11 with some friends in a hotseat MP and found it a bit off, so I wasn't in a hurry to get it.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: katmai on October 21, 2011, 04:15:47 AM
you suck pedrito
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Pedrito on October 21, 2011, 04:32:30 AM
Quote from: katmai on October 21, 2011, 04:15:47 AM
you suck pedrito
NorthAmericans don't play football, they play soccer  :P

L.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: FunkMonk on October 21, 2011, 08:23:00 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on October 21, 2011, 04:32:30 AM
Quote from: katmai on October 21, 2011, 04:15:47 AM
you suck pedrito
NorthAmericans don't play football, they play soccer  :P

L.

I'm North American.  :P

I've played the demo and I liked it a lot. The expanded windows layout look absolutely great in high resolution. The "tone" feature with team talks makes player feedback much more transparent than in FM11, where I had to click through three or four screens to find out how a player responded.

Other than that I haven't seen much else in the way of improvements, and since I've already decided where my gaming money is going for the next two months, I likely won't be buying this until Christmas.

Of course, I must demand updates from you lot.  :bowler:
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: The Larch on October 21, 2011, 08:41:21 AM
BTW, the Steam version is apparently costing something like 50 €. Mmm, maybe a bit pricey right now...
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on October 21, 2011, 10:39:24 AM
Downloading :)
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Pedrito on October 21, 2011, 12:45:23 PM
Quote from: The Larch on October 21, 2011, 08:41:21 AM
BTW, the Steam version is apparently costing something like 50 €. Mmm, maybe a bit pricey right now...
Quote49,99 €, the download is about 2.3 gigs. If you have a fast connection, in half an hour you're done.

:contract:
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: The Larch on October 21, 2011, 02:44:59 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on October 21, 2011, 12:45:23 PM
Quote from: The Larch on October 21, 2011, 08:41:21 AM
BTW, the Steam version is apparently costing something like 50 €. Mmm, maybe a bit pricey right now...
Quote49,99 €, the download is about 2.3 gigs. If you have a fast connection, in half an hour you're done.

:contract:

Yes, I realized that afterwards.  :Embarrass:
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on October 21, 2011, 03:17:11 PM
Downloaded. Playing.
I'm one of the "every two years" people, so I never played 2011. And I haven't played FM since about May, so I'm a bit rusty and in a learning phase. But I like what I see.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Liep on October 23, 2011, 08:47:00 AM
Bought it. Have to go to work in 3 hours though, must remember to set the alarm. :p
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: FunkMonk on October 26, 2011, 05:27:42 PM
Ok so I caved in and bought it now.  :Embarrass:

I decided to purchase this in lieu of Uncharted 3. I figure I'll just buy a used copy of that around Christmas for $40. There are trophies to be won now, not later!
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Liep on October 27, 2011, 08:46:21 AM
"Game currently not available", never had that before on Steam. :S
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on October 27, 2011, 08:51:20 AM
OK, I don't have it yet...

why? well... because I'm in the middle of a fantastic 2011 game where I've gone Rosenborg-Bologna-Sevilla-Barcelona.

It's really wierd being Barca, since having one of the top 10 players in that position in the world as your first choice means that your AssMan thinks that is the part of the squad that need improving. Being in 5th position in the spanish league means that players start complaining that the club is underperforming in the league. The fans bitch when I don't beat some no-name club 5-0.

Then again, I have the cash and reputation to have my reserve squad qualify for europe if it got to compete in spain.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on October 27, 2011, 11:01:43 AM
Quote from: Liep on October 27, 2011, 08:46:21 AM
"Game currently not available", never had that before on Steam. :S

Looks like a major steam issue with an update. :mad:
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Liep on October 27, 2011, 11:08:04 AM
Quote from: Josephus on October 27, 2011, 11:01:43 AM
Quote from: Liep on October 27, 2011, 08:46:21 AM
"Game currently not available", never had that before on Steam. :S

Looks like a major steam issue with an update. :mad:

I validated the local cache twice (as per steamforum suggestion), the last time it updated 5 files and now it works fine.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josquius on October 27, 2011, 07:34:45 PM
Quote from: Viking on October 21, 2011, 02:21:40 AM
I've met people who

A) purchase every second edition of FM
B) don't update because they don't want to "get divorced"/"lose their job"

I don't understand people like that.
I'm certainly in A. Maybe every third even. Ever since I was a kid I've hated fifa and the like with their minor yearly improvements and recent squads.

B...yeah, I fit into that a little too. FM is so time consuming and ultimately unrewarding. Always so similar.

Last one I got was...2010 I think? Maybe 2009.
This one...we'll see. Not top of my list right now. Free time is rare for me.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Pedrito on October 28, 2011, 04:53:32 PM
First patch already out  :glare:

It's 63 mb.

L.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Liep on October 28, 2011, 05:59:52 PM
Is that the 12.0.3? Or is there a new patch to fuck up steam again?
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on October 28, 2011, 10:01:15 PM
Nah, I think i's the same one.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on November 03, 2011, 08:52:57 AM
New one out today.

http://www.footballmanager.com/news/5467
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Liep on November 03, 2011, 09:19:52 AM
Hope it applies better this time.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on November 03, 2011, 10:40:18 AM
Lots of problems according to the forum...but I think the issue is people trying to start the game whilst Steam is still downloading/installing the patch. I had no problem with 1.3.We'll see when I get home about 1.4. They're pretty few fixes in these patches--not sure why they don't wait and do one big comprehensive one.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Liep on November 05, 2011, 11:24:50 AM
Doing a vacation over christmas is a terrible idea, apparently reject all offers means that it will accept all loan offers.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on November 05, 2011, 12:53:01 PM
:w00t: after starting a game as Rosenborg I read on the fmnorge.com forums that everybody is bitching about how Rosenborg's youth team is über.

I gotta say that this might be the case. I have 8 players 21 or younger with 9 half-stars or more in potential. It's either that or the fact that my AssMan has JPA 6.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on November 05, 2011, 06:19:35 PM
Quote from: Liep on November 05, 2011, 11:24:50 AM
Doing a vacation over christmas is a terrible idea, apparently reject all offers means that it will accept all loan offers.

LOL...that's why I never go on vacation. Even in the summer months.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: FunkMonk on November 05, 2011, 10:41:15 PM
This is probably my favorite assist ever : http://youtu.be/WTBaR-J4mXo?t=6s

And this goal clinched me a 2-2 draw with ManUtd : http://youtu.be/VoFYzvzCZW4?t=5s :D
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on November 06, 2011, 04:03:46 AM
I liked that second one...
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Pedrito on November 06, 2011, 04:38:59 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on November 05, 2011, 10:41:15 PM
And this goal clinched me a 2-2 draw with ManUtd : http://youtu.be/VoFYzvzCZW4?t=5s :D

:blink:

L.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on November 15, 2011, 03:38:00 PM
I got to the Quarter Final of the Champions League with Rosenborg in my first season with only two major signings (Even Hovland €1M (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Even_Hovland) and Laure €0 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laureano_Sanabria_Ruiz)) and one major loss (Mikael Lustig €2M (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikael_Lustig)). Basically an unchanged team. I didn't do any fancy tacticing or any intense motivating. I was beaten in the Q final by Man City on away goals.

The major effects I see compared to previous versions are

- very fast progress for youth players that you play regularly on your first team, basically one full year of first team play and a 19 year old will reach first team quality
- team spirit and motivation and morale can be kept immensely high by playing the same team and never resting anybody and this will improve team performances so much that the second best team in norway (I'm very sad about that) can get to the quarter final of the champions league.

Basically I don't think getting the best players is the way to win anymore. I'm pretty sure Injury Prone-ness now just became the most important stat (ahead of determination as it was earlier).

So, my two top tips for finding cheap super young players

1 - check out youth players on good teams that are not getting games, they will improve massively if you sign them
2 - check out all the youth academies they added to the game, the one in France is an especially good place to find wonderkid potential players on amateur contracts you can get for free.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on November 15, 2011, 06:29:09 PM
How do you check youth academies? Is that a scout option?
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on November 15, 2011, 06:44:13 PM
Quote from: Josephus on November 15, 2011, 06:29:09 PM
How do you check youth academies? Is that a scout option?

you enter "academ" in the seach window and look at the clubs that show up

look especially at the ones in successful african countries (ghana, ivory coast, nigeria etc.) you have to find them manually. 
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on November 16, 2011, 09:33:26 AM
A few youth academies that I have found

FC Barcelona Juniors Luján
INF Clairefontaine
Académie de Football Amadou Diallo
Ecole de football Braseries du Cameroun
RTD Academy


The thing about these academy clubs is not that they are full of quality players (though the Barca Juniors and the INF Clairefontaine might be full up on talent at any time), but rather that they have at all times a few players 18 and younger and almost all of them will have premiership potential.

One thing you should be aware with these academies is that the scout reports will be heavilly discounted. Comparing two players at the same age in the same position with almost identical stats. My coach 19CA 17PA rates my own guy as a 4CA halfstars and 8PA halfstars while the identical player in FC Barcelona Juniors Lujan gets a 1CA 5PA rating from my scout 18CA 16PA. So don't just scout them and dismiss them when they don't rate highly.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on November 16, 2011, 03:13:52 PM
So you just look at their attributes to determine their future potential?
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on November 16, 2011, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: Josephus on November 16, 2011, 03:13:52 PM
So you just look at their attributes to determine their future potential?

Well I scout them with quality scouts to get their stats. Observing that the report is mediocre 1mc5 e.g. (first number CA, letterposition and last number PA). I then compare the stats on the spider web chart and I observe that a player the same age in a similar position with stats 3amc8 has a nearly identical spider chart. I presumed that the CA error is repeated in the PA and buy the player for next to nothing and observe that once the transfer is completed the player with the originally mediocre report of 1mc5 now has a report of 3mc8. The scout here is good quality as well is my AssMan.

Also, in general, the more 15 plus stats you see the greater the potential. However, seeing potential is actually impossible. But the impression that I get is that the difference between a player with much potential and a player that peaks early is that the early peaker has fewer extreme stats. I think the Amateur contract itself reduces the value of the scout report.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on November 16, 2011, 07:02:06 PM
These are the highlights from my 0-4 victory for Rosenborg away at Ajax. Check out the second goal, scored by Rade Prica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rade_Prica) from within my own area. At the time Ajax were pressing hard to overturn my lucky 0-1. That seems to have broken their spirit and they fell apart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsdz_XicxAM

The other two goalscorers are Mushaga Bakenga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushaga_Bakenga) and Andy Polo (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2011/11/promising_peruvian_striker_and.html) both of the other two have pace and acc of 16 or more while Prica plays as target man in my 3 striker setup.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on November 22, 2011, 09:39:26 AM
What exactly does co-ownership do? I see it alot in the Italian league. I'm playing as Napoli. I may have a player worth $10m and some teams wants to co-own him for $5 m. So what does that do exactly? I still get to play him. they don't. So what's in it for them? Is it purely an investment/ (they get half when I sell?)
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on November 22, 2011, 10:53:24 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-ownership_%28football%29

It's half way between a loan and a sale. The recieving club buys a half share in a player and gets to play him. Once one year is up both clubs make blind bids for the player.

Clubs in lower leagues in italy can use this to try and get decent players and if the player succeeds they can bid for him, if he turns out to be a wonderkid the big team then has to shell out some cash to get him back.

It is supposedlly good for developing players as the idea is that it is less risky than buying and encourages the smaller team to develop the player either to make a profit or to use the player. Co-Owning teams will usualy play Co-owned players more than loaned ones encouraging development.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on November 22, 2011, 11:20:59 AM
But if I'm a large club, Napoli, there is really little incentive right for me to accept a co-ownership offer from another club?
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on November 22, 2011, 11:30:22 AM
Quote from: Josephus on November 22, 2011, 11:20:59 AM
But if I'm a large club, Napoli, there is really little incentive right for me to accept a co-ownership offer from another club?

If you have a young player which might be able to win promotion to your first team and a smaller club in Serie A or B wants to co-own him then you might want to accept. The player will gain more first team experience than sitting in your youth or reserve team or even going on loan.

As a large club you have no incentive to offer to co-own other team's players. iirc the bidding team gets the player. If you can arrange it so that the player stays at the other club it's a bit like buying a form of option on the player, but I don't think you can do that.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on November 22, 2011, 01:38:34 PM
Thanks.  :cheers:
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on November 22, 2011, 01:44:39 PM
Quote from: Josephus on November 22, 2011, 01:38:34 PM
Thanks.  :cheers:

I never liked co-ownership. I prefer to sell players for €0 with a 50% sell-on fee and a buyback price. I'd happily pay half of the list price for an as yet unproven wonderkid while giving him 3 years of first team experience at another club. That limits the price I have to pay and allows the term to be longer.

The blind bids also freak me out.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Pedrito on November 23, 2011, 03:08:20 AM
Quote from: Viking on November 16, 2011, 07:02:06 PM
These are the highlights from my 0-4 victory for Rosenborg away at Ajax. Check out the second goal, scored by Rade Prica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rade_Prica) from within my own area. At the time Ajax were pressing hard to overturn my lucky 0-1. That seems to have broken their spirit and they fell apart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsdz_XicxAM

The other two goalscorers are Mushaga Bakenga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushaga_Bakenga) and Andy Polo (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2011/11/promising_peruvian_striker_and.html) both of the other two have pace and acc of 16 or more while Prica plays as target man in my 3 striker setup.

what's the numbers and letters after the player's names in your video?

L.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on November 23, 2011, 07:01:32 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on November 23, 2011, 03:08:20 AM
Quote from: Viking on November 16, 2011, 07:02:06 PM
These are the highlights from my 0-4 victory for Rosenborg away at Ajax. Check out the second goal, scored by Rade Prica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rade_Prica) from within my own area. At the time Ajax were pressing hard to overturn my lucky 0-1. That seems to have broken their spirit and they fell apart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsdz_XicxAM

The other two goalscorers are Mushaga Bakenga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mushaga_Bakenga) and Andy Polo (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvickery/2011/11/promising_peruvian_striker_and.html) both of the other two have pace and acc of 16 or more while Prica plays as target man in my 3 striker setup.

what's the numbers and letters after the player's names in your video?

L.

I give every player a nickname.

First Initial; Last Name; Ability in halfstars; Role; Potential in halfstars; Personality

The use of Caps in the Role has meaning too All Caps mature player, One Cap young but developed, No Caps young needs development

So "R Prica 6TM FD" - is Rade Prica 6 half stars ability, Target Man best role,  Mature player, No potential halfstars means he is declining due to age and he is Fairly Determined.

So when I line up the squad in the selection window I choose the fitness menu and in their names I have all the coach and assman reports summarized up in their name. It saves me alot of clicking, so I rarely have to check player reports or training reports when selecting teams or making subs due to injurty etc.. So I don't accidentally swap a player on a poacher role with a large target man or I don't swap an anchor man into a playmaker role. I update this once a month.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Pedrito on November 23, 2011, 08:13:24 AM
Quote from: Viking on November 23, 2011, 07:01:32 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on November 23, 2011, 03:08:20 AM
what's the numbers and letters after the player's names in your video?

L.

I give every player a nickname.

First Initial; Last Name; Ability in halfstars; Role; Potential in halfstars; Personality

The use of Caps in the Role has meaning too All Caps mature player, One Cap young but developed, No Caps young needs development

So "R Prica 6TM FD" - is Rade Prica 6 half stars ability, Target Man best role,  Mature player, No potential halfstars means he is declining due to age and he is Fairly Determined.

So when I line up the squad in the selection window I choose the fitness menu and in their names I have all the coach and assman reports summarized up in their name. It saves me alot of clicking, so I rarely have to check player reports or training reports when selecting teams or making subs due to injurty etc.. So I don't accidentally swap a player on a poacher role with a large target man or I don't swap an anchor man into a playmaker role. I update this once a month.
Good God  :huh: You have time havent you

Do you use this classification for players not in your team, too?

L.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on November 23, 2011, 11:13:32 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on November 23, 2011, 08:13:24 AM
Quote from: Viking on November 23, 2011, 07:01:32 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on November 23, 2011, 03:08:20 AM
what's the numbers and letters after the player's names in your video?

L.

I give every player a nickname.

First Initial; Last Name; Ability in halfstars; Role; Potential in halfstars; Personality

The use of Caps in the Role has meaning too All Caps mature player, One Cap young but developed, No Caps young needs development

So "R Prica 6TM FD" - is Rade Prica 6 half stars ability, Target Man best role,  Mature player, No potential halfstars means he is declining due to age and he is Fairly Determined.

So when I line up the squad in the selection window I choose the fitness menu and in their names I have all the coach and assman reports summarized up in their name. It saves me alot of clicking, so I rarely have to check player reports or training reports when selecting teams or making subs due to injurty etc.. So I don't accidentally swap a player on a poacher role with a large target man or I don't swap an anchor man into a playmaker role. I update this once a month.
Good God  :huh: You have time havent you

Do you use this classification for players not in your team, too?

L.

Shit no. I only do this for my own players, and not even all of them. My first team yes, obviously as well as my reserves. For my youth team I only do it for players that are likely candidates for promotion. I do NOT do this for any other team.

This is not time consuming. The Name doesn't change, I get the ability from the teamlist with the AssMan ratings for ability, these usually don't change much, if they do change that is valuable information for me to have (either a player is improving or declining), the role usually doesn't change, there is the occasional move from advanced forward to poacher or from central defender to ball playing defender, but like the change in ability this tells me that my training program is having an effect on the player. The potential usually does change, but the progression of potential seems to include a dip in the age range of 19-23 before returning to the high youth values a true talent has, so I don't change the potential once it has been assessed by a high JPA coach or Ass Man. Personality also does usually not change, but if it does then it means that my mentoring choice has worked successfully. As for the capitalization, if ability stars catch potential stars then I capitalize the first letter and when the player reaches 27 I capitalize both.

It is not much work but it gives alot of overview just from the name. It just means I don't need to remember which role a striker is best suited for or if I need him to play matches to improve or that now we are in a commanding lead which players might be taken off to spare them for later games etc. I can see without going through coach reports which reserve team players might be suitable for the game based due to either injuries or mediocre opponents. This is not a big chore. Once a month (in the game) I go to the Assistant Reports view on the team menu and check to see if anybody has changed anything. Usually most changes are of the kind J Doe 5AP5 FD changes to J Doe 4AP4 FD only to go back to J Doe 5AP5 FD next month. Those I don't bother with since I rarely change potential anyways. There is very little or no work involved in this and with reserve and youth teams I do it once per transfer window.

I repeat, I only do this for my own team and only for the players that might be relevant. If you don't want to do it for your whole team, do it for players you send on loan. If you take the player "Hot Prospect" and label him "H Prospect 2wng6 FA" (wng = winger) and you send him on loan to another club and he returns to become "H Prospect 4wng7 FA" then you know how well the loan period went. If he returns "H Prospect 2wng4 FA" that tells you something as well. Another thing that this helps with is hidden attributes like Ambition, Professionalism, Sportsmanship etc. If the personality changes from Pro (for Professional) to Det (for Determined) then you know his hidden stat Professionalism is between 15 and his present Determinism. Basically I'm taking snapshots of their ratings and updating the snapshots at regular periods to keep track of player development.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Liep on November 26, 2011, 08:09:24 AM
Just beat Real Madrid 2-1 on Bernabéu with my young underdogs from Hellas Verona, this game never fails to reward.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on November 26, 2011, 08:18:50 AM
Quote from: Liep on November 26, 2011, 08:09:24 AM
Just beat Real Madrid 2-1 on Bernabéu with my young underdogs from Hellas Verona, this game never fails to reward.

:yeah: I love seeing those guys lose, even if it is just fiction.


Edit: I got offered the real job with €330M transfer kitty. Thats a true fuckload of money. I said no.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: The Larch on December 01, 2011, 09:22:27 AM
Quote from: Josephus on November 22, 2011, 11:20:59 AM
But if I'm a large club, Napoli, there is really little incentive right for me to accept a co-ownership offer from another club?

There might be circumstances. Imagine you have an intriguing young player, who might develop into a good one, but you're not sure if you'll be able, for whatever reason, to offer him enough games to be developed. You can get another club, ideally a smaller one, to co-own the player and play for them, you get some money for the deal and, in a year or two, if he has indeed developed into a good player you make a bid for him and try to bring him back for less money than outright buying him if he was a full player of the other team, and if you don't want to bring him back you don't bid and get whatever money the other team bids for him.

Another scenario. Imagine if you're a small team, and another team has a player that you want, but can't afford. You offer co-ownership to the other team, getting to play him for a year or two. If at the end of that period you have the resources to buy the other 50%, you bid for him, and if you're lucky you might be able to get him for less money than in the open market.

It's also a way to poach young players from other teams, imagine you have a hot prospect and a big club comes and offers co-ownership for a couple of years. You get paid, develop the player for them for a year or two, and after that there's the bid. If the big club is still interested, it'll bid for him and you get payed again, but now you loose the player.

Also, when a player is co-owned by two teams, if a third team wants to buy him it has to negotiate with the other two clubs, not just with one, so it can also be a way to call dibs on a player from another team if you can't or aren't interested in getting him outright.

It's a bit like a riskier (because you don't have 100% security of getting the player at the end of the deal) long term loan. I don't personally like them or use them much, but it can be useful on some situations, and you always have to take them into account if you play in Italy because almost every team there has some guys in that situation and other teams are going to try to pull that with your players, so you have to be able to deal with it.

Oh, and the blind bidding is also likely to produce some fun results and mess up the ability to get a glimpse of a player's career just by looking at the clubs he belonged. Just check the real case of Emiliano Viviano, Italy's backup goalkeeper during the last WC, who became the starter after Buffon got injured.
In January 2009 he belonged to Brescia, and Inter bought 50% of his footballing rights from them, but Brescia got to keep him for the rest of the season. Then in July 2009 Brescia sold their 50% to Bologna, where Viviano was to play the following two seasons, still co-owned by Inter. In june 2011 both teams (Inter and Bologna) had to bid for the other 50% of his footballing rights. Inter bid 4.2 million €, while Bologna's representative messed up their offer, filled incorrectly their paperwork and ended up biding just 2.3 million € instead of the 4.7 million € that he was supposed to bid. As a result Bologna lost the bid and the player, but got the money. That same summer, less than a month after joining Inter and before even making his debut for them, Viviano tore the ACL during training. Karma? He is currently ruled out for the season, but Inter have already sold 50% of his footballing rights again just one month after the injury, with Genoa this time.

So, he went from belonging to Brescia (prior to January 2009) to be co-owned by Inter and Brescia (January-July 2009), to being co-owned by Inter and Bologna (July 2009-June 2011), to being owned solely by Inter (June 2011-August 2011) and then co-owned again by Inter and Genoa. In less than 3 years, between January 2009 and now, he has been on the books of 4 different clubs (Brescia, Inter, Bologna and Genoa), has played only for 2 of them (Brescia and Bologna) and has never played for the club who owned or co-owned him the longest, Inter, with which he's been linked for the entire time period.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on December 01, 2011, 10:11:49 AM
Seems far too complicated.

In my particular instance, Milan offered to co-own my 16 year old. But if I understood the offer right, they were going to allow him to stay with me. Since I didn't need the money, i didn't see the point in potentially losing him down the road...his potential is rated very highly.

Another somewhat related question: is there a bug with Champions League registrations? It says players 21 and under don't need to be registered. I'm currently in a Champions League round and in my last game, I was out of defenders due to injuries, suspensions and ineligibilities. So I called up this 16-year-old prodigy to the senior team, with plans to play him in the CL game.  But he was listed as  INE hmm: He's not cup tied, so I can' figure out why.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: The Larch on December 01, 2011, 10:21:49 AM
Quote from: Josephus on December 01, 2011, 10:11:49 AM
Seems far too complicated.

In my particular instance, Milan offered to co-own my 16 year old. But if I understood the offer right, they were going to allow him to stay with me. Since I didn't need the money, i didn't see the point in potentially losing him down the road...his potential is rated very highly.

Another somewhat related question: is there a bug with Champions League registrations? It says players 21 and under don't need to be registered. I'm currently in a Champions League round and in my last game, I was out of defenders due to injuries, suspensions and ineligibilities. So I called up this 16-year-old prodigy to the senior team, with plans to play him in the CL game.  But he was listed as  INE hmm: He's not cup tied, so I can' figure out why.

It can get complicated, and in your particular situation I think that you made the right choice.

No idea about the CL registration thingie.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on December 15, 2011, 02:36:17 PM
New patch up.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josquius on December 15, 2011, 06:59:21 PM
Quote from: Josephus on December 01, 2011, 10:11:49 AM
Seems far too complicated.

In my particular instance, Milan offered to co-own my 16 year old. But if I understood the offer right, they were going to allow him to stay with me. Since I didn't need the money, i didn't see the point in potentially losing him down the road...his potential is rated very highly.

Another somewhat related question: is there a bug with Champions League registrations? It says players 21 and under don't need to be registered. I'm currently in a Champions League round and in my last game, I was out of defenders due to injuries, suspensions and ineligibilities. So I called up this 16-year-old prodigy to the senior team, with plans to play him in the CL game.  But he was listed as  INE hmm: He's not cup tied, so I can' figure out why.
Did he have a pro contract?

And I don:t get the co-owned thing. What decides which co-owner gets dibs? Say they both want to play him on the same day.

I'm being very tempted to get this....FM is the same every year but....hmm....
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: FunkMonk on December 30, 2011, 03:47:40 PM
In my current game the USA got all the way to the Semi Final in the 2014 World Cup.  :cool: :cool: :cool:

Brazil got knocked out in the Round of 16 by Slovakia. The fires in the favelas could be seen for miles around.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: katmai on January 12, 2012, 01:40:41 AM
So is 2012 worth picking up?
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: FunkMonk on January 12, 2012, 07:23:41 AM
I've poured just as many hours into it as FM11, which is way too many.  :cry:

New: The interface is much improved than FM11. I like the way the new Team Reports and Tactics reporting is done, and the tone system for team talks is an interesting mechanic. The transfer window isn't a spam-a-thon for your inbox anymore now that it's all handled in the Transfers tab.

The Same: Everything else. Even all the graphics packs built for FM11 work just fine with FM12. And the match engine seems like it's identical to FM11.



Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on January 12, 2012, 08:20:50 AM
Been playing an hour or so a day since I got it. More on weekends.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on January 21, 2012, 04:00:30 PM
Brazil beat England 2-0 in the 2014 WC final.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Liep on January 21, 2012, 06:15:49 PM
Slovenia lost the final in WC '14 to Argentina in my latest game, so about as probable as yours. :P
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: katmai on February 03, 2012, 02:06:48 AM
Fellow FM managers!

I'm playing with minnows in lower levels of English leagues, doing fine as in promotion playoff hunt but....

My team has decent defense, but seems like giving up too many goals from corners, any advice on setting up the D on set pieces better?
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Pedrito on February 03, 2012, 04:49:59 AM
Cannot help you, I've temporarily suspended every football activity, have to slaughter some gauls around in Rome TW :cool:

L.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: katmai on February 03, 2012, 05:20:59 AM
Getting in touch with your eyetalian roots eh?
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on February 03, 2012, 05:31:16 AM
Quote from: katmai on February 03, 2012, 02:06:48 AM
Fellow FM managers!

I'm playing with minnows in lower levels of English leagues, doing fine as in promotion playoff hunt but....

My team has decent defense, but seems like giving up too many goals from corners, any advice on setting up the D on set pieces better?

1 - Usually it is best to run with the default defense on corners.
2 - If you have dc's which cooperate as stopper-cover make sure the one with good positioning, heading and jumping is covering the oppo tall man.

Apart from "getting better central defenders" there is little you can do. If corners really are a problem you should set your backs to a higher mentality and more aggressive tackling, that will mean that the oppo wings get fouled on the wing 20 meters out rather than having their cross turned out for a corner by the full back.

Either that or have your players injur the opposition tall man.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Pedrito on February 03, 2012, 09:22:40 AM
Quote from: katmai on February 03, 2012, 05:20:59 AM
Getting in touch with your eyetalian roots eh?
Doin' my best  :sleep:

L.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on February 03, 2012, 09:27:16 AM
Is it just me, though, or are there way too many corners in an average fm game?.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on February 03, 2012, 06:59:15 PM
Quote from: Josephus on February 03, 2012, 09:27:16 AM
Is it just me, though, or are there way too many corners in an average fm game?.

The normal game should have between 5 and 15 corner kicks per game and a goal from corners every three or four games. Does your FM game have much more than that? If anything I think that, yes, there are alot of corners (often as a result of unpressed defenders clearing to corner) but that corners almost never result in goals.

A typical team might have 90 corners in a 30 game season and 2-5 goals (depending on player skills) from corners. Are you out by very much?

I remember one season (I posted the analysis here) where me managing in spain resulted in an instant 50% increase in numbers of goals scored (by all teams, not just me). I think that the your FM game is more intense in general at all levels. The game that in "reality" ended 1-2 ends 3-5 in your FM game.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on February 03, 2012, 07:42:46 PM
Well between 5 and 15 is quite a spread. But I'd say between 10-15 as a minimum, often a lot more. I think I notice them so much because they're so fucking boring. I play the game on extended highlights because I find "key" too minimal and "full game" a chore to watch.
It seems that everytime a winger goes down the wing inevitably that ball is going to end up as a corner. And then the game slows down as the player gets the ball, places it, takes the kick and more often than not the ball ends up bouncing off a defender for another corner, except this time from the other side of the field. It gets tedious to watch. Especially if one side is winning by a few goals and we're in injury time. :D
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on February 12, 2012, 09:04:34 PM
I just found out that "Match Highest Earner" clause applies to staff as well. I was just offered a pay raise from €3k per week to €20.5k per week after doing quite well. The thing is my best paid player had a salary of €15k per week. He then got a pay bump because he had the "Match Highest Earner" clause in his contract. I had 4 players making more than €10k before that contract offer, now I have two on €20.5k as well as two others above €10k.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on February 26, 2012, 09:40:42 PM
Got hired at Athletic Bilbao. It's like playing a national team where all the best players refuse a call up. This is not a club that you can build up and it is not a club that can sign that argentinian wonderkid my scouts just found. If you can't get a good basque in a position then you have to rearrange your team tactic. Right now the basques don't have any good left backs but do have lots of good strikers, so 3-4-3 it is.

This might be my most rewarding game yet.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: FunkMonk on March 03, 2012, 03:56:05 PM
I've deliberately stopped playing FM for the past couple of months, because if I started again my studies would go to crap. However, I'll have time next week, so I'm wondering about a good team that would be interesting and fun to manage. Right now my list consists of Porto, At. Bilbao, and Napoli. Any other ideas?
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on March 03, 2012, 04:24:03 PM
I'll vote At. Bilbao if only to have had the experience. Also, if you haven't played MLS yet try that.

Or manage Israel and immediately arrange friendlies with Palestine, Saudi Arabia and Iran as I did once. The resulting 0-0 draw with palestine had me arranging IDF call-ups for the entire team just in time for ramadan.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on March 04, 2012, 06:07:16 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on March 03, 2012, 03:56:05 PM
I've deliberately stopped playing FM for the past couple of months, because if I started again my studies would go to crap. However, I'll have time next week, so I'm wondering about a good team that would be interesting and fun to manage. Right now my list consists of Porto, At. Bilbao, and Napoli. Any other ideas?

I'm playing as Napoli, in the third year of the game now. It's fun. Not hard, but still a challenge. I've yet to win Serie A, but won the coppa twice running. During my second year I went on a bit of a tear and picked up a few players and went into bankruptcy. :D New owner is a bit stingy now, so have had to sell Lavezzi.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: katmai on March 07, 2012, 09:17:50 PM
Now in season 7 of my game, brought up team from Lowest English league possible, now in League 1 and trying to make jump up to Championship. As a minnow been beefing up team to this level by signing released youth players from the EPL teams, and then turn around and selling them 2-3 years later for decent money...maybe would be in Championship already if I would keep more of them, but in the process of moving up leagues the Team has taken out loans to build a new stadium so strapped for cash.

:D
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: katmai on March 07, 2012, 09:21:57 PM
Oh and if anyone hasn't bought FM 2012 yet, it is on sale at Steam for $7.49 for next two days.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: FunkMonk on March 09, 2012, 12:12:47 PM
In honor of Athletic's mauling of United, I'll take Viking's advice and start a Bilbao game. :basque:
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Pedrito on March 09, 2012, 12:21:59 PM
I tried Bilbao during one of my wandering career games while playing, i think, CM3 or CM 97-98.

The lack of an adequate quantity of eligible players, the difficulties in building a decent cantera and issues about the tactics system made me abandon the game out of pure frustration.

I should try it again, though, Bilbao has been always one of my favourite teams, along with the Spurs, PSG, and Werder Bremen. Relatively to FM,of course  :P

I'm going to start a new game now that the winter update is out

L.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on March 09, 2012, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on March 09, 2012, 12:21:59 PM
I tried Bilbao during one of my wandering career games while playing, i think, CM3 or CM 97-98.

The lack of an adequate quantity of eligible players, the difficulties in building a decent cantera and issues about the tactics system made me abandon the game out of pure frustration.

I should try it again, though, Bilbao has been always one of my favourite teams, along with the Spurs, PSG, and Werder Bremen. Relatively to FM,of course  :P

I'm going to start a new game now that the winter update is out

L.

A lack of decent players? WTF?

Bilbao has one of the best youth setups in the game, yes their special system is "simulated" by having a big number. But basically each season you get two or three primera liga level prospects. Plus shitloads of money to buy the good basques at Sociedad, Zaragoza and Osasuna etc. plus the godlike basques barcelona and real madrid seem to produce from time to time.

You can't raid youth academies or agressively scout south america, but there are lots of good basques out there. The problem is filling all the positions with good players. It's sort of like the problem the norway national team has right now with John Arne Riise (Fulham) and Morten Gamst Pedersen (Blackburn) on the left as back and winger and no-name norwegian league players on as back/winger on the right side.

My suggestion would rather be to work hard to coach your youth players and to use the buy-back clause for any still developing players that insist on getting first team football but refuse to go on loan. It's just a much more interesting management option. I'm in 2020 and the five best basque players are a goalkeeper, left back and three left wingers. Only one of which is at Athletic Bilbao. I've got 50 million euro and nobody worth buying is willing to come to the club; so I have to make the most out of what I have.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Pedrito on March 09, 2012, 05:22:06 PM
Quote from: Viking on March 09, 2012, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: Pedrito on March 09, 2012, 12:21:59 PM
I tried Bilbao during one of my wandering career games while playing, i think, CM3 or CM 97-98.

:contract:

L.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josquius on March 09, 2012, 11:41:07 PM
Whats so special about Bilbao? They can only have Basque players?
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Syt on March 10, 2012, 01:01:25 AM
Ok, I bought this during the sale. I've found a torrent with real player pictures and club/competition logos. I tried downloading from one of the fansites, but they use crappy filehosters which didn't really seem to work for me.

Is there a megapck for kits/jerseys floating around somewhere? I see there's plenty of downloads at sortitoutsi.net, but you have to download every country individually, and I'm totally confused with their lack of structure over there.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: katmai on March 10, 2012, 01:39:46 AM
I haven't seen any for kits. In fact I've stuck to just Logo's as had problems with the facepacks out there.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Syt on March 10, 2012, 01:46:01 AM
Yeah, I just thought I'd remove the faces again - after some years of playtime the faces will revert to default, anyways.

Shame, really, that the game doesn't come with a facegen á la OOTP - for all its text-basedness, OOTP fantasy leagues just get so much more immersive when you have the player's faces, even if it's just fluff.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: katmai on March 10, 2012, 01:48:32 AM
Well all the regen players have faces it's just the real players that they don't have you are stuck with the blackout.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on March 10, 2012, 03:43:27 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 09, 2012, 11:41:07 PM
Whats so special about Bilbao? They can only have Basque players?

Yes, the team only plays basques. I think the definition is that you have to be born in the basque country (in spain and france).

The tradition at Athletic Bilbao is to only play basques, in the game you can only play players with the Basque nationality as a second nationality. In reality the team is much more flexible than the game allows though. 
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: katmai on March 10, 2012, 08:13:18 AM
Won promotion :w00t:

Currently on a 21-6-1 tear with two games to go and up by 3 pts so close to winning league and my best striker leads the league in Goals and Assists.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Pedrito on March 10, 2012, 08:44:11 AM
Quote from: Viking on March 10, 2012, 03:43:27 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 09, 2012, 11:41:07 PM
Whats so special about Bilbao? They can only have Basque players?

Yes, the team only plays basques. I think the definition is that you have to be born in the basque country (in spain and france).

The tradition at Athletic Bilbao is to only play basques, in the game you can only play players with the Basque nationality as a second nationality. In reality the team is much more flexible than the game allows though.

The club relaxed a bit in recent years, allowing even non-basques who played in junior basque teams to be eligible to wear the Athletic shirt.

L.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Sheilbh on March 14, 2012, 05:29:38 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on March 10, 2012, 08:44:11 AM
The club relaxed a bit in recent years, allowing even non-basques who played in junior basque teams to be eligible to wear the Athletic shirt.
Aren't they a bit like Ireland in understanding 'nationality' too?  So if you're grandmother had a pint of Guinness or a shot of Patxaran then you're in.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josquius on March 14, 2012, 05:47:29 AM
Quote
Shame, really, that the game doesn't come with a facegen á la OOTP - for all its text-basedness, OOTP fantasy leagues just get so much more immersive when you have the player's faces, even if it's just fluff.
OOTP is...that baseball manager?


I've recently gave big thought to getting this game despite it being a pointless time sink....
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on March 14, 2012, 03:57:56 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 14, 2012, 05:29:38 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on March 10, 2012, 08:44:11 AM
The club relaxed a bit in recent years, allowing even non-basques who played in junior basque teams to be eligible to wear the Athletic shirt.
Aren't they a bit like Ireland in understanding 'nationality' too?  So if you're grandmother had a pint of Guinness or a shot of Patxaran then you're in.

I thought the main issue with the irish is that as far as they are concerned Ulstermen qualify for all ROI teams (and political offices for that matter).
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Sheilbh on March 14, 2012, 04:36:10 PM
Quote from: Viking on March 14, 2012, 03:57:56 PM
I thought the main issue with the irish is that as far as they are concerned Ulstermen qualify for all ROI teams (and political offices for that matter).
That could be an issue, but I just meant the old joke about the number of English-born players in the Irish team.  Though that may just have been when Charlton was managing :lol:
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Admiral Yi on March 14, 2012, 04:41:47 PM
What happens if a Basque player gets a better offer from some other team?  It sounds like a crippling disadvantage.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: katmai on March 14, 2012, 04:44:14 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 14, 2012, 04:41:47 PM
What happens if a Basque player gets a better offer from some other team?  It sounds like a crippling disadvantage.

Which is why it is such a challenge to manage them. Get a good player to try and win league, only to have the two titans of La Liga come in and spend gobs of money to steal them.  :lol:
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Admiral Yi on March 14, 2012, 05:42:52 PM
Quote from: katmai on March 14, 2012, 04:44:14 PM
Which is why it is such a challenge to manage them. Get a good player to try and win league, only to have the two titans of La Liga come in and spend gobs of money to steal them.  :lol:

That too, but there's nothing preventing other clubs from grabbing young prospects, is there?
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Pedrito on March 15, 2012, 02:49:36 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 14, 2012, 05:42:52 PM
Quote from: katmai on March 14, 2012, 04:44:14 PM
Which is why it is such a challenge to manage them. Get a good player to try and win league, only to have the two titans of La Liga come in and spend gobs of money to steal them.  :lol:

That too, but there's nothing preventing other clubs from grabbing young prospects, is there?
Exorbitant release clauses in contracts; but after some time that your youngster is being courted by Real&Barca and you're denying the transfer, he'll become upset.

L.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Pedrito on March 15, 2012, 02:51:06 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 14, 2012, 05:29:38 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on March 10, 2012, 08:44:11 AM
The club relaxed a bit in recent years, allowing even non-basques who played in junior basque teams to be eligible to wear the Athletic shirt.
Aren't they a bit like Ireland in understanding 'nationality' too?  So if you're grandmother had a pint of Guinness or a shot of Patxaran then you're in.
More or less so  ;)

L.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Admiral Yi on March 15, 2012, 02:53:06 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on March 15, 2012, 02:49:36 AM
Exorbitant release clauses in contracts; but after some time that your youngster is being courted by Real&Barca and you're denying the transfer, he'll become upset.

L.

I must be missing some fundamental aspect of the fodbol youth system. 

Can't any team sign up a promising Basque kid?  Athletic doesn't have a monopoly on them, does it?
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Pedrito on March 15, 2012, 03:05:27 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 15, 2012, 02:53:06 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on March 15, 2012, 02:49:36 AM
Exorbitant release clauses in contracts; but after some time that your youngster is being courted by Real&Barca and you're denying the transfer, he'll become upset.

L.

I must be missing some fundamental aspect of the fodbol youth system. 

Can't any team sign up a promising Basque kid?  Athletic doesn't have a monopoly on them, does it?
Every season start every team gets an influx of young players from the external world to the youth academies.
Usually these players are of the team's nationality, so only Bilbao and Osasuna will get basque (and spanish as first nationality) players; if there's some good prospect, it's better to make them sign a full time contract as soon as possible, instead of signing a youth contract.

L.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on March 15, 2012, 05:46:28 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 14, 2012, 04:36:10 PM
Quote from: Viking on March 14, 2012, 03:57:56 PM
I thought the main issue with the irish is that as far as they are concerned Ulstermen qualify for all ROI teams (and political offices for that matter).
That could be an issue, but I just meant the old joke about the number of English-born players in the Irish team.  Though that may just have been when Charlton was managing :lol:
Ireland can produce it's own players now. Most of the Irish Clubs are now affiliated to some English Clubs and have much more professional coaching and mentoring.

It's a fascinating story..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/13518826

QuoteNI fans group call for change in Republic player ruling
Shane Ferguson celebrates scoring for Northern Ireland in the Milk Cup last year

A Northern Ireland fans group is appealing to Fifa to end what it calls the "football apartheid" in Ireland.

Fifa and the Court of Arbitration have ruled that NI-born players can opt for the Republic of Ireland.

The Amalgamation of NI Supporters' Clubs wants Fifa to have a re-think after Daniel Devine became the latest player to switch to the Republic.

It said the ruling gave the Republic an "unfair advantage" and accused the FAI of "poaching" players from N Ireland.

Fifa rules include a clause allowing players to change nationality once before they play a senior competitive match if they were born "on the territory of the relevant association".

The Good Friday Agreement of 1998 provided for Northern Ireland-born people to claim either British or Irish nationality.

Preston North End defender Devine has joined Darron Gibson, Shane Duffy, Marc Wilson, Daniel Kearns and Paul George in making the move to the Republic.

It is feared Newcastle United defender Shane Ferguson will be the next Northern Ireland youth player to switch to the Republic.

Amalgamation of NI Supporters' Clubs chairman Gary McAllister criticised the FAI in addressing the player drain to the Republic in an open letter in the Irish News.

"We believe this situation to be unique in world football, whereby one national association may select two jurisdictions worth of players," he said.

"Clearly this puts the Northern Ireland team at a disadvantage.

"For more than 50 years, the agreed and established practice of the two national football associations was always to select only those players with a territorial connection to either jurisdiction.

"It seems therefore that the FAI is using the Belfast (Good Friday) Agreement as an excuse for breaking this longstanding policy.

"This FAI policy is driving a sectarian wedge between the two communities in Northern Ireland in regard to football.

"We are hugely proud to support a team that includes members of both traditions in Northern Ireland, and want to continue to do so.

"We want an end to Football Apartheid in Ireland."

The open letter comes ahead of Tuesday night's Carling Nations Cup game between Northern Ireland and the Republic in Dublin.

While I haven't heard of any of those players I'm sure NI still needs them.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: The Larch on March 15, 2012, 07:01:33 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 15, 2012, 02:53:06 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on March 15, 2012, 02:49:36 AM
Exorbitant release clauses in contracts; but after some time that your youngster is being courted by Real&Barca and you're denying the transfer, he'll become upset.

L.

I must be missing some fundamental aspect of the fodbol youth system. 

Can't any team sign up a promising Basque kid?  Athletic doesn't have a monopoly on them, does it?

Do you mean in game terms or in real world terms?

In game terms you get a bunch of eligible 16 y.o. kids every summer for your youth squad, initially on amateur contracts, which you can later choose to sign to professional contracts. While they're amateurs they can be signed for free by other teams, but you get a court ordered fee anyway based on training rights. Once you sign them to a professional contract, which can top out at 5-6 year length or so, you can attach them outrageous release clauses on their contracts asking for a bajillion bucks in order to release them, so you can prevent poaching.

In the real world players have started to be poached from big clubs before they turn 16. As they can't sign professional contracts before that age, this is done through "family relocation" loopholes, in which clubs get one of the parents of the kid a bogus job offer which ends up with the kid joining the youth teams of the club. After they turn 16 and become professionals it's a signing as any other.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Liep on March 15, 2012, 09:53:29 AM
Just lost the qualifier for the euro league after winning 2-1 away against athletico madrid.. on the 10th round of penalties, my goalie missed. This game is heartbreaking.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: FunkMonk on March 15, 2012, 09:59:37 AM
Penalties in this game are ridiculous. The last time I won the Champions League it went to the 11th round of penalties.  :lol:
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Warspite on March 27, 2012, 06:15:26 PM
How the fuck do you defend in this game?

I've tried absolutely everything - two rock hard defensive mids sitting in front of defence; anchormen sitting in front of defence; ball winning mids sitting in the centre; cover/stopper combo; ball-playing defender with cover combo; high line, deep line, pressing, stand off, hard tackling, weak tackling etc etc, but with EVERY team I play the same thing happens: my defensive unit - almost to a man all equipped with high concentration, work rate, anticipation and position or tackling and marking - cannot win the ball back, whether through tackling or an interception, to save their lives.

As a result, the opposition win the ball, knock it forward, and start playing around the box until they score. My favourite is when a crunching tackle flies in that just sends the ball instantly to the opposition playmaker to make a killer pass.

What the hell is the secret to a workable defensive setup in FM 12?? What am I missing?
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: katmai on March 27, 2012, 06:18:40 PM
Stop playing Arsenal?



But seriously, my teams are usually in top five in least goals allowed, but i don't have a particular great back 4, it's because I have such attacking mentality and holding possession that the opposition doesn't have many chances.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on March 27, 2012, 08:26:55 PM
The secret to defending well is to have the ball, be on the attack, demoralize the opposition and force it to have a deep defensive line. Sitting back and defending is just inviting long shots.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Warspite on March 28, 2012, 05:08:16 PM
Yes I know, but when I lose the ball, I am simply unable to win it back until a goal kick. The defensive mids stand their gawping while lazy attacking passes roll past them. The defenders happily show the attacker inside rather than actually trying to win the ball back.

In fact I don't really have the pacy defenders to play a very high line, nor have my teams the creative talent to unlock compressed defenses. I am forced to play with a middlingly high line. If I play counter attack, see first para.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on March 29, 2012, 12:20:02 AM
Quote from: Warspite on March 28, 2012, 05:08:16 PM
Yes I know, but when I lose the ball, I am simply unable to win it back until a goal kick. The defensive mids stand their gawping while lazy attacking passes roll past them. The defenders happily show the attacker inside rather than actually trying to win the ball back.

In fact I don't really have the pacy defenders to play a very high line, nor have my teams the creative talent to unlock compressed defenses. I am forced to play with a middlingly high line. If I play counter attack, see first para.

So you have a crap players and your team loses to teams with more quality? I'm not really surprised.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: katmai on March 29, 2012, 01:47:38 AM
Quote from: katmai on March 10, 2012, 08:13:18 AM
Won promotion :w00t:

Currently on a 21-6-1 tear with two games to go and up by 3 pts so close to winning league and my best striker leads the league in Goals and Assists.
2nd year in championship and just beat Chelsea in League Cup for first win over EPL team.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Pedrito on March 29, 2012, 03:05:47 AM
Quote from: katmai on March 29, 2012, 01:47:38 AM
Quote from: katmai on March 10, 2012, 08:13:18 AM
Won promotion :w00t:

Currently on a 21-6-1 tear with two games to go and up by 3 pts so close to winning league and my best striker leads the league in Goals and Assists.
2nd year in championship and just beat Chelsea in League Cup for first win over EPL team.
Take that Tamas! *shakes fist*

L.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Liep on March 29, 2012, 06:36:36 AM
I wish there was a proper STFU option when talking to players.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on March 29, 2012, 12:32:48 PM
Quote from: Liep on March 29, 2012, 06:36:36 AM
I wish there was a proper STFU option when talking to players.

This.


Is it just me or are players whiney all the time. I got some 19 year old kid whom I think has a future so I have him on the squad to play every now and then. But the kid's all "I want to get more starting roles on the first team or trade me now".

And back up goalkeepers! STFU already. You're a backup. If my goalie dies, I'll play you. Otherwise. STFU.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on March 29, 2012, 07:26:49 PM
I always have loaned players as backup. So I don't care if he is pissed off, his contract expires at the end of the season. Sometimes you have older experienced but poor quality players available for free I get him on a one year contract.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Warspite on March 31, 2012, 06:47:10 PM
Quote from: Viking on March 29, 2012, 12:20:02 AM
Quote from: Warspite on March 28, 2012, 05:08:16 PM
Yes I know, but when I lose the ball, I am simply unable to win it back until a goal kick. The defensive mids stand their gawping while lazy attacking passes roll past them. The defenders happily show the attacker inside rather than actually trying to win the ball back.

In fact I don't really have the pacy defenders to play a very high line, nor have my teams the creative talent to unlock compressed defenses. I am forced to play with a middlingly high line. If I play counter attack, see first para.

So you have a crap players and your team loses to teams with more quality? I'm not really surprised.

Defensive midfielders with anticipation, concentration and positioning 15+ are not "crap" players.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on March 31, 2012, 06:59:48 PM
Quote from: Warspite on March 31, 2012, 06:47:10 PM

Defensive midfielders with anticipation, concentration and positioning 15+ are not "crap" players.

What about marking, tacking, jumping, heading, bravery, work rate, strength?
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Pedrito on April 03, 2012, 04:55:30 AM
After months of neglect, yesterday I've started a new career.

As always, Juventus.

As always, the addiction has returned, worse than ever.

I'm trying a tactic that reflects the one Conte has been using with excellent results this year, i.e. a 3-5-2 with Pirlo as a defensive playmaker floating between the defense and midfield lines. This can be easily shifted to a 5-3-2 if I'm in need of more cover on the flanks, simply by moving the lateral midfielders one step back towards my defense line.

I just played some friendlies, but I've snatched a 1-1 draw at Milan's that is quite a good result.

L.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Warspite on April 03, 2012, 04:48:49 PM
Quote from: Viking on March 31, 2012, 06:59:48 PM
Quote from: Warspite on March 31, 2012, 06:47:10 PM

Defensive midfielders with anticipation, concentration and positioning 15+ are not "crap" players.

What about marking, tacking, jumping, heading, bravery, work rate, strength?

Stats nothing to do with interceptions. (Apart from work rate; though tacking I'd worry more about for Americas Cup Manager)
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on April 05, 2012, 05:13:57 PM
200 hours.

What a waste of life.  ;)
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on April 06, 2012, 01:27:47 AM
I sold my young midfield star player (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markus_Henriksen) for €3M + €2M for appearances to Lille, 10 seconds later I fired his father as assistant manager.

I immediately hired Sidnei Lobo (the brazil assistant manager) to fill his spot. I'm a bastard, I know.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: katmai on April 06, 2012, 01:42:53 AM
After 10 seasons  starting in Blue Square South and now fighting for Promotion to EPL my club president announces he's taking offers and the consortium in takeover talks is planning to replace me, now that is a bastard!
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on April 06, 2012, 02:45:29 AM
Quote from: katmai on April 06, 2012, 01:42:53 AM
After 10 seasons  starting in Blue Square South and now fighting for Promotion to EPL my club president announces he's taking offers and the consortium in takeover talks is planning to replace me, now that is a bastard!

Well, isn't it obvious, you were completely incidental to the club's success.

I suggest playing lots of friendlies against incompetent opposition and score shitloads of goals making the board happy. If any of your rivals are in a lower league, play them.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: katmai on April 06, 2012, 02:48:32 AM
IT all depends if i get to off season without them selling the Club.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on April 06, 2012, 02:55:00 AM
Quote from: katmai on April 06, 2012, 02:48:32 AM
IT all depends if i get to off season without them selling the Club.

If you impress the new board you keep your job, thats why you should play games
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: katmai on April 06, 2012, 04:16:01 AM
Quote from: Viking on April 06, 2012, 01:27:47 AM
I sold my young midfield star player (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markus_Henriksen) for €3M + €2M for appearances to Lille, 10 seconds later I fired his father as assistant manager.

I immediately hired Sidnei Lobo (the brazil assistant manager) to fill his spot. I'm a bastard, I know.

What are top three stats you look for in an Ass Man. :P
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on April 06, 2012, 04:23:14 AM
Adaptability, Determination and Discipline are important generally.

Man management is important for advice on backroom meetings
JPA and JCA are important for assessing players as well as assessing potential in youngsters
Motivating is important if you don't do your own teamtalks.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Liep on April 10, 2012, 07:56:14 AM
I just noticed that Bendtner was topscorer in the premier league 2015/16 in my recent game. Completely ruins immersion. :(
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: FunkMonk on April 10, 2012, 01:54:38 PM
But he said himself he's one of the greatest strikers in the world. I take the man at his word. :(  :lol:
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Pedrito on June 05, 2012, 05:04:05 AM
Quote from: Pedrito on April 03, 2012, 04:55:30 AM
After months of neglect, yesterday I've started a new career.

As always, Juventus.

As always, the addiction has returned, worse than ever.

I'm trying a tactic that reflects the one Conte has been using with excellent results this year, i.e. a 3-5-2 with Pirlo as a defensive playmaker floating between the defense and midfield lines. This can be easily shifted to a 5-3-2 if I'm in need of more cover on the flanks, simply by moving the lateral midfielders one step back towards my defense line.

I just played some friendlies, but I've snatched a 1-1 draw at Milan's that is quite a good result.

L.
I won the Serie A and the national Cup during the first season :yeah:
Played mainly a 3-5-2 with Vidal as an anchor between defense and midfield lines.
Lineup:
GK Buffon
CB: Barzagli, Bonucci, Chiellini (defensive, only Bonucci is a playmaking CB)
DM: Vidal, Defense
Lat Mids: Krasic, De Ceglie (if I need more cover on the right flank, Lichtsteiner is shifted in in place of Krasic; if I need more push on the left, De Ceglie goes out and Pepe or Elia go in; support, defense or attack shifted according to the adversary)
Central Mids: Marchisio on the left as Box to Box Mid, Support; Pirlo on the right as Advanced Playmaker, Attack, and booy what a player he is! He won More assists of the league, and came second as best player
Attack: Borriello, on loan from Roma, either as Target Man or as Advanced Forward; Vucinic or Quagliarella as Deep Lying forward.

A quite effective lineup, I've lost three games in all the season, and got some exceptional results like a 0-5 away against Roma, a 0-3 away againt Inter, etc.
The main strength is against narrow formations, mainly 4-3-2-1 or 4-3-1-2; the drawback is, when playing against a classical 4-4-2, the risk of being overwhelmed on the flanks, but  the formation can quite easily be shifted to a 4-5-1 with the same triangle of midfielders, the wingers up and Vucinic played as a trequartista on the left flank, and a single forward, played as Advanced Forward. 4-2-3-1 can be pesky, too, to play against.

L.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on June 06, 2012, 08:07:28 PM
This was pretty funny

QuoteChelsea announce plans for new stadium

The Chealsea board have today announced that the club have been granted planning permission to build a new stadium.

Construction of Strength 13 10 Arena, named after one of Chelsea's heroes,....

I hired Frank Lampard as a fitness coach after his retirement, I nicknamed him Strength (for being my strength coaching first choice) and 13 10 for his JCA JPA ratings.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: FunkMonk on June 06, 2012, 08:27:54 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 06, 2012, 08:07:28 PM
This was pretty funny

QuoteChelsea announce plans for new stadium

The Chealsea board have today announced that the club have been granted planning permission to build a new stadium.

Construction of Strength 13 10 Arena, named after one of Chelsea's heroes,....

I hired Frank Lampard as a fitness coach after his retirement, I nicknamed him Strength (for being my strength coaching first choice) and 13 10 for his JCA JPA ratings.

:D

Sounds like an American stadium name.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Liep on June 13, 2012, 12:01:30 PM
Finally got the double-hattrick achievement. The FA Trophy is fun.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on September 14, 2012, 02:55:22 PM
My 20 year old Polish attacking midfielder was just put on the injury list. The reason? The player was going to be out for 14-18 months for cancer.

The game doesn't have people die, they just retire. No "Player Robert Enke has retired suddenly, the reason given was suicide". The cancer thing surprised me, I've never seen anything like that before.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on September 14, 2012, 02:56:29 PM
I heard someone on the forums[sega] mention that. It's apparently quite rare.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on September 14, 2012, 03:35:57 PM
Quote from: Josephus on September 14, 2012, 02:56:29 PM
I heard someone on the forums[sega] mention that. It's apparently quite rare.

The thing is that this kid, Rafal Wolski (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafa%C5%82_Wolski) is really really good, he plays for the polish national team as a 19 year old and I got him for 1.2 M Euros and he has taken the league by storm. Averaging a rating of 7.7 with 2 MOM, 3 assists and 6 goals in his 10 first games. He's two footed great on the ball and moves well off it high passing and creativity. He can play mc, amc, aml and amr. That means he can play all midfield positions in my three rotating tactics and is quite clearly at 19 one the best players in the league. Then he gets cancer (in the game, not reality).

oh well.. at least he isn't going to die.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on September 14, 2012, 04:29:47 PM
Well...he's 19 so consider him a future prospect ;)
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on September 14, 2012, 04:32:59 PM
Quote from: Josephus on September 14, 2012, 04:29:47 PM
Well...he's 19 so consider him a future prospect ;)

not sure how much of a wonderkid he is going to be at age 21 after 1 1/2 year of chemotherapy and no training...
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: katmai on September 14, 2012, 05:20:18 PM
Anyone Else preorder 2013 yet :blush:
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: FunkMonk on September 14, 2012, 06:51:58 PM
 :lol:

I can't really justify buying it until a Steam sale or some such. I'm using a summer transfer-updated database file for 2012 so all the players are on the right teams now. It bugs me a little that the years are off but it mostly works fine. Mostly.

For example, on the game I have going right now RVP is playing for United and his stats got buffed a little bit. Now he's scoring a hat trick every other game and they beat my Arsenal team to the title on goal difference. WTF :mad:
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: katmai on September 14, 2012, 06:55:03 PM
@funk
I'm in year 9 of my minnow to EPL attempt sitting in champ league ATM.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: FunkMonk on September 14, 2012, 06:56:33 PM
I can never get past four or five season before starting a new game. I just lose interest.  :(
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: katmai on September 14, 2012, 07:11:30 PM
Heh well playing a squad that started in blue square south and now in Championship means the squad has had lot of turnover each year. :P
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: FunkMonk on September 14, 2012, 09:02:18 PM
Every time I do a team talk I imagine I'm doing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylftUmF-GSw&feature=share&list=PLD6B2A1255E2554EF
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on September 15, 2012, 02:18:40 AM
Quote from: FunkMonk on September 14, 2012, 06:56:33 PM
I can never get past four or five season before starting a new game. I just lose interest.  :(

have you tried LLM (http://www.fm-britain.co.uk/llm/)?
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on September 15, 2012, 06:24:12 PM
Quote from: Viking on September 14, 2012, 04:32:59 PM
Quote from: Josephus on September 14, 2012, 04:29:47 PM
Well...he's 19 so consider him a future prospect ;)

not sure how much of a wonderkid he is going to be at age 21 after 1 1/2 year of chemotherapy and no training...

Not sure if the game takes chemotherapy into effect. Would be interesting to compare stats when he's back.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on October 01, 2012, 07:42:52 AM
Quote from: Josephus on September 15, 2012, 06:24:12 PM
Quote from: Viking on September 14, 2012, 04:32:59 PM
Quote from: Josephus on September 14, 2012, 04:29:47 PM
Well...he's 19 so consider him a future prospect ;)

not sure how much of a wonderkid he is going to be at age 21 after 1 1/2 year of chemotherapy and no training...

Not sure if the game takes chemotherapy into effect. Would be interesting to compare stats when he's back.

He's back, once his chemo ended I sent him on loan to the netherlands for half a season and now he's back and he's rated 7 half stars in both ability and potential at 21 that is pretty good. He's now first choice (as he was back then) but now the team is much better. I found another chemo patient with great potential only this one was released by his club, he can't pass a medical so I can't sign him....

I need to send one of my scouts to scout out chemo wards across the world.  :cool:
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on October 02, 2012, 12:59:46 PM
sick... :lol:
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on October 02, 2012, 01:14:22 PM
Quote from: Josephus on October 02, 2012, 12:59:46 PM
sick... :lol:

I have a new standard search filter


Currently Injured - is - Less than 6 months
And
Transfer Status - is - Transfer Listed


It is 2016 and both Davy Pröpper (Vitesse) and Rui Fonte (Espanyol) are long term injured and transfer listed. Ideal candidates as replacements for my present attacking midfielders. I'm buttering them up in public. Their wages are within my price range. Less than 6 months is the longest Currently Injured status available.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on October 02, 2012, 06:44:23 PM
Wonder if you can edit the filters?
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on October 07, 2012, 03:39:14 PM
I just sold Cancer-Boy to Fulham for £10M at age 24. Which makes him the most valuable player ever sold out of Norway.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on October 11, 2012, 03:54:20 PM
Bitchslapping the Board is fun.

Viking: I would like the training facilities improved to help our players reach their potential.
Board: We feel the current facilities are good enough for the level of club we are
Viking: If you don't grant this request, I'm not certain that I'll be able to carry on in my job
Board: After considering what you said, we have decided to grant your request. Is there anything else you wanted to discuss?
Viking: I would like a new contract because it is important that the players see that I am committed to the club, and that you are committed to me.
Board: We believe players often work for many managers during their careers and as such have more fundamental concerns when joining a club.
Viking: You must be aware that the fans are behind me and want the same for the club.
Board: After considering what you said, we have decided to grant your request. Is there anything else you wanted to discuss?

Consider the board bitchslapped.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josephus on October 11, 2012, 06:34:01 PM
Never tried that!
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on October 12, 2012, 04:02:31 AM
Quote from: Josephus on October 11, 2012, 06:34:01 PM
Never tried that!

Winning the league four times in a row and the latest time winning it with 8 games to go makes this very very very easy easy to do so.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: The Larch on October 24, 2012, 07:12:02 PM
Quote from: Viking on September 14, 2012, 02:55:22 PM
My 20 year old Polish attacking midfielder was just put on the injury list. The reason? The player was going to be out for 14-18 months for cancer.

The game doesn't have people die, they just retire. No "Player Robert Enke has retired suddenly, the reason given was suicide". The cancer thing surprised me, I've never seen anything like that before.

Guess they had to have something for Erik Abidal. And he's not the only one I can remember off the top of my head, there were at least a couple of other cases in the Spanish league in the last few years. Guess there's also a provision for weird heart diseases as well, given their recent recurrence.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Josquius on October 24, 2012, 08:38:34 PM
Wow, thats grim.
Wonder if they have players getting injured from falling off bar stools?
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on October 25, 2012, 12:35:23 AM
Quote from: Tyr on October 24, 2012, 08:38:34 PM
Wow, thats grim.
Wonder if they have players getting injured from falling off bar stools?

I've seen a few cases of harsh personality changes due to off pitch reasons, usually younger players. A 19 y.o. Model Pro all of a sudden turns into a Tempramental player. The message just comes up, nothing you can do about it. I suppose that is the equivalent of falling off a bar stool, or getting a hooker pregnant, or just plain becoming a dick.
Title: Re: FM 2012
Post by: Viking on November 12, 2012, 11:04:00 PM
keeping this alive...

It was a 5-0 win against NAC Breda. But this is sweet, I love my perfect 10s.