Ok, so with Princesca's student loans paid off as of last week, and expecting to pay the rest of our HELOC off shortly, we will only have our primary mortgage left in terms of debt, which I expect to have paid off in about three years. This means it's time to replace Princesca's 2003 Civic with a new car.
Here are the prerequisites for the replacement car:
* must be able to tow my boat
* must have 4WD/AWD
That's pretty much it. Have at it, people. Most likely she will use this vehicle to commute to work... unless she hates driving it, in which case I guess I'll let her use my Accord and drive this vehicle.
Hummer?
What does Ron Paul think you should drive?
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If the Princesca will be commuting with it, how about the Lexus 400h or Ford Escape hybrid.
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Get a Prius and take up kayaking.
Nah, probably not. I don't work at the kind of company where dudes drive Hummers.
Quote from: citizen k on October 18, 2011, 09:12:25 PM
If the Princesca will be commuting with it, how about the Lexus 400h or Ford Escape hybrid.
Hybrid? :yuk:
A-Team van?
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on October 18, 2011, 09:26:01 PM
A-Team van?
:hmm: Will that tow my boat? Also, will it come with a Mr. T on a .50 cal who jumps out every time I bust open the sliding door?
I'm sorry to get all serious here, but...
How much does your boat weight?
We need to know the weight in order to determine how much towing capacity you need.
http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-chooser-launch
Quote from: Caliga on October 18, 2011, 09:24:27 PM
Quote from: citizen k on October 18, 2011, 09:12:25 PM
If the Princesca will be commuting with it, how about the Lexus 400h or Ford Escape hybrid.
Hybrid? :yuk:
What's wrong with a hybrid?
Quote from: PRC on October 18, 2011, 10:56:45 PM
What's wrong with a hybrid?
Cal loves paying for gas. God, does he love paying for gas.
Quote from: Caliga on October 18, 2011, 09:30:14 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on October 18, 2011, 09:26:01 PM
A-Team van?
:hmm: Will that tow my boat? Also, will it come with a Mr. T on a .50 cal who jumps out every time I bust open the sliding door?
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Better yet, with the motherfucking boat....
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...and you can set up beds in there (if the van is a rockin', don't come a knockin').
Land Rover Discovery, my new car :wub:
L.
Quote from: Barrister on October 18, 2011, 10:03:11 PM
I'm sorry to get all serious here, but...
How much does your boat weight?
We need to know the weight in order to determine how much towing capacity you need.
I dunno. It's a 22' pontoon.
[crazycanuck]Are you so stupid as to spend a lot of money based on the decision of some anonymous people on the internet, or just an attention whore?[/crazycanuck]
A little of this, a little of that. :cool:
Buy a small helicopter. In order to keep up, Martinus will be forced to buy a jet. If we all make our contributions, we can render him destitute by this time next year.
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Quote from: Caliga on October 19, 2011, 05:17:58 AM
Quote from: Barrister on October 18, 2011, 10:03:11 PM
I'm sorry to get all serious here, but...
How much does your boat weight?
We need to know the weight in order to determine how much towing capacity you need.
I dunno. It's a 22' pontoon.
Well find out and get back to us. You can either take it to a commercial vehicle scale, or it should be somewhere in the documentation of the boat (remember to account for the boat and the trailer).
Quote from: Caliga on October 18, 2011, 08:06:20 PM
* must be able to tow my boat
* must have 4WD/AWD
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All terrain, amazing towing capacity, and used in many diverse environments from Finland to North Africa.
Quote from: Caliga on October 19, 2011, 05:17:58 AM
Quote from: Barrister on October 18, 2011, 10:03:11 PM
I'm sorry to get all serious here, but...
How much does your boat weight?
We need to know the weight in order to determine how much towing capacity you need.
I dunno. It's a 22' pontoon.
Something like that?
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Quote from: Valmy on October 19, 2011, 08:43:36 AM
Quote from: Caliga on October 18, 2011, 08:06:20 PM
* must be able to tow my boat
* must have 4WD/AWD
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All terrain, amazing towing capacity, and used in many diverse environments from Finland to North Africa.
:mmm:
EDIT: Crap, I thought I was logged in as Slargos.
Too many fuel pump problems on a Tiger.
Sure, but commuting would be fairly painless. No need to stop at traffic signs or congestion.
Quote from: Iormlund on October 19, 2011, 10:51:10 AM
Sure, but commuting would be fairly painless. No need to stop at traffic signs or congestion.
It's also impossible to be towed away when parking in a no park zone.
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I found that bit below disturbing.
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What about the wolf urine and whole rabbits?
Those are fine.
ok :P
We need more specifications Cal. You want a pick-up, a SUV, a muscle car...?
Your boat will weight around 3600lbs + engine from what I've seen on the web.
I think it can still be towed by a car like the new Camaro or Challenger.
But if it ain't enough, the Chevy Silverado/GMC Colorado can do the job. Available as a small 5cylinder or 8 cylinder (gaz, no need for the Duramax). Fully equipped the GMC is a 34000 US$, for the 5-cylinder.
Car-wise, if you need AWD, I think something like this might be nice for you:
http://www.subaru.ca/WebPage.aspx?WebPageID=16931&Range=Outback&ModelYear=2012&WebSiteID=284
Yeah, you really do need the tow weight of the boat+trailer. Just google the model if you don't know.
Have you looked at Audi TT? It's got AWD. :)
Quote from: DGuller on October 19, 2011, 01:03:24 PM
Have you looked at Audi TT? It's got AWD. :)
I think it's not meant for towing boats though.
Subarau Legacy.
Any decent SUV with enough towing capacity would be OK. I say SUV instead of a pickup because I see your wife being more likely to dive the SUV. And the handful of cars that have 4WD/AWD I doubt have enough towing capacity.
Quote from: dps on October 19, 2011, 04:02:39 PM
I say SUV instead of a pickup because I see your wife being more likely to dive the SUV.
how is that a good thing?? :P
Quote from: garbon on October 19, 2011, 11:23:28 AM
What about the wolf urine and whole rabbits?
Don't forget the Tuscan Milk, it sells for thousands of dollars. The reviews are hilarious some of them.
Quote from: viper37 on October 19, 2011, 06:30:57 PM
Quote from: dps on October 19, 2011, 04:02:39 PM
I say SUV instead of a pickup because I see your wife being more likely to dive the SUV.
how is that a good thing?? :P
<shrug> He said most likely she would be using it to drive to work.
Prin never struck me as the kind of woman who would shy away from a pickup truck.
Just got back from car shopping... haven't bought anything yet, but Princesca liked the following models best: Ford Explorer, GMC Envoy, and Chevy Trailblazer. For some reason it's very hard to find lightly-used Explorers around here, which is odd since they're all over the road due to there being so many Ford employees who can buy them with steep discounts.
Envoys aren't bad.
Get a Nissan Frontier.
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Drove one of these a couple of years ago, pretty nice and would definitely fit your needs.
Quote from: Caliga on November 05, 2011, 03:22:42 PM
Just got back from car shopping... haven't bought anything yet, but Princesca liked the following models best: Ford Explorer, GMC Envoy, and Chevy Trailblazer. For some reason it's very hard to find lightly-used Explorers around here, which is odd since they're all over the road due to there being so many Ford employees who can buy them with steep discounts.
Friends don't let friends buy American, Cal.
Get Princesca a nice Japanese vehicle. My wife loves her new RAV4, for example.
Quote from: PRC on November 05, 2011, 04:37:29 PM
Get a Nissan Frontier.
We checked a Frontier out, but Princesca didn't like it for some reason.
Just got back from the dealer.
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Not this exact car, but same make/model/trim/color. :cool:
One annoying thing: after we left Princesca plugged her Garmin in to the power outlet only to discover it didn't work. So when we got home I pulled the center console off, checked the plug (which was in properly), and then opened the dash fuse box to discover the fuse for the plug was blown. Fortunately there was a spare in the battery fuse box, so I was able to switch it out and it works fine now. I'm pretty proud of myself for figuring all of that out in like ten minutes without any swearing or injuries. :showoff:
Hey Cal, what's your progeny situation?
I'm not sure I see the relevance, but no kids.
Quote from: Caliga on December 17, 2011, 05:46:14 PM
I'm not sure I see the relevance, but no kids.
Well since people own vehicles for a fairly long time, if kids are at all on the horizon it's something to consider.
We had to trade in my wife's 2-door blazer because, well, it had two doors. If it had four she probably would have kept it.
Quote from: Caliga on December 17, 2011, 05:40:19 PM
One annoying thing: after we left Princesca plugged her Garmin in to the power outlet only to discover it didn't work. So when we got home I pulled the center console off, checked the plug (which was in properly), and then opened the dash fuse box to discover the fuse for the plug was blown. Fortunately there was a spare in the battery fuse box, so I was able to switch it out and it works fine now. I'm pretty proud of myself for figuring all of that out in like ten minutes without any swearing or injuries. :showoff:
Congratulations, DGuller.
Glad you like your new car. :P
Quote* must be able to tow my boat
QuoteMost likely she will use this vehicle to commute to work...
Am I the only one who thinks that these are contradictory requiriments?
Quote from: The Larch on December 17, 2011, 07:29:45 PM
Quote* must be able to tow my boat
QuoteMost likely she will use this vehicle to commute to work...
Am I the only one who thinks that these are contradictory requiriments?
Yep.
:huh:
Quote from: Caliga on December 17, 2011, 08:12:55 PM
:huh:
You're confused, because it's quite common to tow you boat in to work on the morning commute ?
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Quote from: Caliga on December 17, 2011, 08:12:55 PM
:huh:
Well, at least to me a car to be used for everyday commuting and a car used to tow heavy stuff are two completely different things with completely different features, unless you're a construction contractor or something.
Most midsize SUVs are capable of towing a boat like mine, and around here they're probably the majority of the cars on the road, every day. Don't pretend you didn't already know that. :P
Quote from: Caliga on November 05, 2011, 03:22:42 PM
Just got back from car shopping... haven't bought anything yet, but Princesca liked the following models best: Ford Explorer, GMC Envoy, and Chevy Trailblazer. For some reason it's very hard to find lightly-used Explorers around here, which is odd since they're all over the road due to there being so many Ford employees who can buy them with steep discounts.
My sister is very happy with her GMC Acadia. I'd avoid the Trailblazers; consistently underpowered, and transmission issues even after all these years.
I like the Toyota FJ Cruiser, but forget it if you're going to haul more than two people, and they're a wee overpriced for what you get.
Do what I did; head to Wrangler Country. A 4 door Jeep is a blast.
Yeah, we did buy a car (read on), but I eventually talked her out of considering a Trailblazer. My dad used to have one and it dropped the transmission on him twice. :bleeding: He now has a Nissan Rogue, or as I call it "the fagwagon". :cool:
Ugh, a used Ford Explorer? :yucky:
No, it's a Toyota 4Runner.
Quote from: Caliga on December 18, 2011, 08:21:03 AM
Most midsize SUVs are capable of towing a boat like mine, and around here they're probably the majority of the cars on the road, every day. Don't pretend you didn't already know that. :P
A SUV seems like a completely unsuitable car for everyday commuting in my book. :P Way too big, way too wasteful. Since when did Princesca turn into a soccer mom?
If I could fit three cars in my garage, I would, but we've only got room for two. :bowler:
Yeah, my Tacoma is really too big and uses too much gas to be much of a commuter vehicle, however the option of having two separate vehicles seems equally expensive. Remember it's not just the cost of the vehicle itself, you also have to keep insurance on both vehicles as well.
:yes:
Just like I'll never understand how Euros can drive those gay little Smart cars, they'll never understand us either. :hug:
Quote from: Barrister on December 18, 2011, 10:36:20 AM
Yeah, my Tacoma is really too big and uses too much gas to be much of a commuter vehicle, however the option of having two separate vehicles seems equally expensive. Remember it's not just the cost of the vehicle itself, you also have to keep insurance on both vehicles as well.
Depending on where you live the parking space might be much more expensive than the insurance. I guess that you guys have big houses with plenty of space to park a couple of cars in them without much effort, right?
Typical house in the 'burbs will have room for 2 in the garage, 2 in the driveway and 2 on the street.
Quote from: The Larch on December 18, 2011, 12:20:43 PM
Depending on where you live the parking space might be much more expensive than the insurance. I guess that you guys have big houses with plenty of space to park a couple of cars in them without much effort, right?
Tell me about it. I spend almost twice as much on parking as I do on insurance. :bleeding: (I am saving 15% or more on insurance, though, which helps).
Quote from: Caliga on December 18, 2011, 08:31:59 AM
Yeah, we did buy a car (read on), but I eventually talked her out of considering a Trailblazer. My dad used to have one and it dropped the transmission on him twice. :bleeding: He now has a Nissan Rogue, or as I call it "the fagwagon". :cool:
I have a nissan rogue :unsure:
Quote from: Caliga on December 18, 2011, 10:40:52 AM
:yes:
Just like I'll never understand how Euros can drive those gay little Smart cars, they'll never understand us either. :hug:
Well they make a lot more sense for older people, one of my pensioner neighbours has one and it seems ideal for her, much easier to manoeuvre than some of the gas-guzzlers you see some old people around here 'trying to control/drive.
Quote from: The Larch on December 18, 2011, 12:20:43 PM
Depending on where you live the parking space might be much more expensive than the insurance. I guess that you guys have big houses with plenty of space to park a couple of cars in them without much effort, right?
Paying... for parking...? :blink:
Quote from: Zoupa on December 18, 2011, 01:46:46 PM
I have a nissan rogue :unsure:
dude, that's a chick car. My bro's fiancee has one too, but it's ok for her to drive it.
Quote from: Caliga on December 18, 2011, 02:41:30 PM
Paying... for parking...? :blink:
You know, like at the airport.
It costs me $9 a day to park at the airport. :mad:
Of course, I just expense it, but still... :rolleyes:
I like raping the environment.
Quote from: Caliga on December 18, 2011, 02:41:30 PM
Quote from: The Larch on December 18, 2011, 12:20:43 PM
Depending on where you live the parking space might be much more expensive than the insurance. I guess that you guys have big houses with plenty of space to park a couple of cars in them without much effort, right?
Paying... for parking...? :blink:
Some people actually live inside cities, you know, not everyone is in suburbia.
Over here people can easily pay more than one hundred bucks monthly to rent a parking spot at home, which might not be exactly nearby. The one I have came included with the appartment and is in an underground parking that services the whole block.
Also many big cars don't fit in parking spots at old buildings.
Or the streets for that matter: there's a moron that parks a Hummer a couple blocks from here, in the only street wide enough for him to do so (and it's only big enough for 50m or so). I shudder to think of the time he spends waiting for a big enough spot, not to mention the walk to and from where he's actually going.
I thought in Europe they dragged people like that from their cars and beat them to death while chanting patriotic slogans. And rightly so.
Quote from: Iormlund on December 18, 2011, 07:14:17 PMAlso many big cars don't fit in parking spots at old buildings.
Yup, in my city they built many underground parkings in the last few years and the parking spots are remarkably bigger than in older places. In many old parking lots it's already a challenge to park a regular sized car. A buddy of mine has to play a daily game of tetris to fit his tiny Seat Ibiza already, I shudder to think what might happen if he had a bigger car.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on December 18, 2011, 12:40:52 PM
Typical house in the 'burbs will have room for 2 in the garage, 2 in the driveway and 2 on the street.
Around here, who the hell wants to park outside their garage? Scraping your windshield is a pain in the ass.
Hey Beeb, do folks in your neck of the woods leave their wipers up when precip is expected?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 19, 2011, 07:58:41 AM
Hey Beeb, do folks in your neck of the woods leave their wipers up when precip is expected?
No. :huh:
Quote from: Barrister on December 19, 2011, 09:21:38 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 19, 2011, 07:58:41 AM
Hey Beeb, do folks in your neck of the woods leave their wipers up when precip is expected?
No. :huh:
Don't they freeze to your windshield if you leave them down? :huh:
Quote from: DGuller on December 19, 2011, 09:22:59 AM
Quote from: Barrister on December 19, 2011, 09:21:38 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 19, 2011, 07:58:41 AM
Hey Beeb, do folks in your neck of the woods leave their wipers up when precip is expected?
No. :huh:
Don't they freeze to your windshield if you leave them down? :huh:
With snow, no. With ice, yes.
Clearing the car of snow takes time, by the time you are done, your car and your windshield will be hot.
My (future) house has a 6-8 car driveway, no Garage. :(
Quote from: DGuller on December 19, 2011, 09:22:59 AM
Quote from: Barrister on December 19, 2011, 09:21:38 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 19, 2011, 07:58:41 AM
Hey Beeb, do folks in your neck of the woods leave their wipers up when precip is expected?
No. :huh:
Don't they freeze to your windshield if you leave them down? :huh:
Maybe with freezing rain, but no, not generally.
So what's with the hood scoop?
Quote from: Barrister on December 19, 2011, 09:36:05 AM
Quote from: DGuller on December 19, 2011, 09:22:59 AM
Quote from: Barrister on December 19, 2011, 09:21:38 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 19, 2011, 07:58:41 AM
Hey Beeb, do folks in your neck of the woods leave their wipers up when precip is expected?
No. :huh:
Don't they freeze to your windshield if you leave them down? :huh:
Maybe with freezing rain, but no, not generally.
What is "freezing rain"?
Just kiddin'. Although it's been unseasonably nice this December. Woke up at about 7 a.m., went out with just a dress shirt (and pants :rolleyes: ), and decided to walk to the store instead of wait until the frost melted off my windshield. Frost aside, it was barely cold.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 19, 2011, 09:42:39 AM
So what's with the hood scoop?
I think you are confusing us with Japanese Ricers.
Quote from: Barrister on December 19, 2011, 09:36:05 AM
Quote from: DGuller on December 19, 2011, 09:22:59 AM
Quote from: Barrister on December 19, 2011, 09:21:38 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 19, 2011, 07:58:41 AM
Hey Beeb, do folks in your neck of the woods leave their wipers up when precip is expected?
No. :huh:
Don't they freeze to your windshield if you leave them down? :huh:
Maybe with freezing rain, but no, not generally.
A lot of people in Anchorage would lift 'em up if snow was expected.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on December 19, 2011, 09:42:39 AM
So what's with the hood scoop?
On the 4Runner, you mean? Cosmetic, I think.
Quote from: Ideologue on December 18, 2011, 09:38:25 PM
I thought in Europe they dragged people like that from their cars and beat them to death while chanting patriotic slogans. And rightly so.
We don't do patriotic slogans. Extreme right took over those.
I'm all for beating up people with SUVs, trucks and the like though. The only exception are those whose vehicles are full of mud or have other visible signs of proper use at the countryside, building sites, etc.
Quote from: Iormlund on December 19, 2011, 08:13:29 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on December 18, 2011, 09:38:25 PM
I thought in Europe they dragged people like that from their cars and beat them to death while chanting patriotic slogans. And rightly so.
We don't do patriotic slogans. Extreme right took over those.
I'm all for beating up people with SUVs, trucks and the like though. The only exception are those whose vehicles are full of mud or have other visible signs of proper use at the countryside, building sites, etc.
Like the long scratches in the clear coat on my FJ caused by squeezing through trails with tree limbs growing too close? Or the scratch on my passenger side mirror caused by scraping it against the ground on a particularly steep tilt? Visible signs like that? :P
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 20, 2011, 02:03:36 PM
Like the long scratches in the clear coat on my FJ caused by squeezing through trails with tree limbs growing too close? Or the scratch on my passenger side mirror caused by scraping it against the ground on a particularly steep tilt? Visible signs like that? :P
:hug: Mara hates it, I keep telling her it will buff out, but if I buff them out every time I go wheeling, I won't have any paint left in a year! :lol:
BTW, you active at fjcruiserforums? :ph34r:
I'm not. But I do check there every now and then for stuff on accessories and things like that.