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Title: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Martinus on October 15, 2011, 08:05:52 AM
Apparently only 150 people came to protest against capitalism in Warsaw today. :unsure:

Most of them are high schoolers.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Neil on October 15, 2011, 08:15:22 AM
You didn't go to the protest?  What would your fellow Apple product users say?
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Maximus on October 15, 2011, 08:17:35 AM
:yawn: People have occupied Warsaw before.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Ed Anger on October 15, 2011, 08:17:58 AM
Quote from: Maximus on October 15, 2011, 08:17:35 AM
:yawn: People have occupied Warsaw before.

:D
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Viking on October 15, 2011, 08:22:46 AM
Quote from: Martinus on October 15, 2011, 08:05:52 AM
Apparently only 150 people came to protest against capitalism in Warsaw today. :unsure:

Most of them are high schoolers.

Invite 1ste Panzerarmeé or the 2nd Belorussian Front and you'll get better turnout.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Martinus on October 15, 2011, 08:45:47 AM
Incidentally, if the gold standard is a visible sign of economist ignorami on the right, on the left it's this: introduce progressive corporate income tax. :bleeding:
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Sheilbh on October 15, 2011, 09:13:13 AM
I briefly went to the occupy London Stock Exchange protests.  They were interesting.  One thing that struck me was that the Transport for London workers were cheering them on and wishing people good luck.

I also saw Peter Tatchell.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: HisMajestyBOB on October 15, 2011, 10:34:39 AM
Once again lame foreigners have to copy Americans.  :yawn:
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Eddie Teach on October 15, 2011, 10:27:20 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on October 15, 2011, 10:34:39 AM
Once again lame foreigners have to copy Americans.  :yawn:

I think that should happen more often.  :)
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: garbon on October 15, 2011, 10:48:47 PM
Really? Because Rome copied our protestors and that led to riots.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Eddie Teach on October 15, 2011, 10:56:04 PM
I was speaking in general, not regarding protests in particular.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Ideologue on October 15, 2011, 11:31:29 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 15, 2011, 10:48:47 PM
Really? Because Rome copied our protestors and that led to riots.
I wish we'd copy them.  We need some high-profile martyrs to get the ball really rolling.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: garbon on October 15, 2011, 11:51:44 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 15, 2011, 11:31:29 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 15, 2011, 10:48:47 PM
Really? Because Rome copied our protestors and that led to riots.
I wish we'd copy them.  We need some high-profile martyrs to get the ball really rolling.

Who will really be that distraught over some dead brooklynites after the police are forced to beat them down? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Syt on October 16, 2011, 12:15:09 AM
Apparently the turnout in Vienna was also ca. 150, organizers had hoped for 2000-5000 people.

VIenna is not exactly a symbol of capitalism, more of cronyism among the political elite and businesses.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Ideologue on October 16, 2011, 12:32:26 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 15, 2011, 11:51:44 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 15, 2011, 11:31:29 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 15, 2011, 10:48:47 PM
Really? Because Rome copied our protestors and that led to riots.
I wish we'd copy them.  We need some high-profile martyrs to get the ball really rolling.

Who will really be that distraught over some dead brooklynites after the police are forced to beat them down? :rolleyes:

You're right.  Beatings and homicides have never, ever sparked any sort of reaction, whether it be mere violent upswell or political will for change.

The important part is to be sympathetic while they're getting hurt or killed.  I would also suggest maybe some self-immolations.  It accelerated things in South Vietnam.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: garbon on October 16, 2011, 05:31:49 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 16, 2011, 12:32:26 AM
The important part is to be sympathetic while they're getting hurt or killed. 

Which was my point. :P
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Ideologue on October 16, 2011, 05:41:35 AM
Quote from: garbon on October 16, 2011, 05:31:49 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 16, 2011, 12:32:26 AM
The important part is to be sympathetic while they're getting hurt or killed.

Which was my point. :P

Fair enough. :D
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Sheilbh on October 16, 2011, 12:40:44 PM
The occupy London one slept over in front of St Paul's last night.  The Canon of St Paul's spoke to them this morning and said that they're generally supportive of the protests and as long as the people are tidy they're welcome to stay.  He asked the police to back off a bit and not try and force them out, as it's the Cathedral's land I don't know if the police can do anything in face of an offer of sanctuary :mellow:
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Neil on October 16, 2011, 01:01:31 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 16, 2011, 12:40:44 PM
The occupy London one slept over in front of St Paul's last night.  The Canon of St Paul's spoke to them this morning and said that they're generally supportive of the protests and as long as the people are tidy they're welcome to stay.  He asked the police to back off a bit and not try and force them out, as it's the Cathedral's land I don't know if the police can do anything in face of an offer of sanctuary :mellow:
It's a state church.  The state can evict them no matter what some dotty old fool of a churchman thinks.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Cecil on October 16, 2011, 01:36:39 PM
Here in Stockholm we had the usual suspects. A couple of hundred leftists with nothing better to do. Always amused by how they protest against a state/system they themselves were the architects behind.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Martinus on October 16, 2011, 01:43:29 PM
The popular media here are having a go at the protesters, because some were spotted wearing $200 Rayban glasses or carrying the newest iPhones. :D
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Cecil on October 16, 2011, 02:15:36 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 16, 2011, 01:43:29 PM
The popular media here are having a go at the protesters, because some were spotted wearing $200 Rayban glasses or carrying the newest iPhones. :D

Rich kids always know whats best for societys unfortunates dont ya know. ;)
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: garbon on October 16, 2011, 02:58:36 PM
Quote from: Cecil on October 16, 2011, 02:15:36 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 16, 2011, 01:43:29 PM
The popular media here are having a go at the protesters, because some were spotted wearing $200 Rayban glasses or carrying the newest iPhones. :D

Rich kids always know whats best for societys unfortunates dont ya know. ;)

Well it would have to be the reach kids or the hippy kids. What poor kid has time protesting? Even those unemployed can't just sit around protesting as they need to figure out someway to keep food on their plates.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Cecil on October 16, 2011, 03:48:57 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 16, 2011, 02:58:36 PM
Quote from: Cecil on October 16, 2011, 02:15:36 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 16, 2011, 01:43:29 PM
The popular media here are having a go at the protesters, because some were spotted wearing $200 Rayban glasses or carrying the newest iPhones. :D

Rich kids always know whats best for societys unfortunates dont ya know. ;)

Well it would have to be the reach kids or the hippy kids. What poor kid has time protesting? Even those unemployed can't just sit around protesting as they need to figure out someway to keep food on their plates.

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Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Monoriu on October 16, 2011, 03:55:20 PM
That's more than the people who turned up in HK. 

And for some reason, half of them are expats.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Ideologue on October 16, 2011, 03:56:31 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on October 16, 2011, 03:55:20 PM
That's more than the people who turned up in HK. 

And for some reason, half of them are expats.

Gosh, I wonder why people who live in the PRC might be shy about protesting.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: alfred russel on October 16, 2011, 05:26:37 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 16, 2011, 03:56:31 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on October 16, 2011, 03:55:20 PM
That's more than the people who turned up in HK. 

And for some reason, half of them are expats.

Gosh, I wonder why people who live in the PRC might be shy about protesting.

:yes:

When you live in a country with as bankrupt a philosophy as communism that in the not too distant past went through the cultural revolution, crony capitalism doesn't seem so bad.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Martinus on October 16, 2011, 05:34:50 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 16, 2011, 03:56:31 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on October 16, 2011, 03:55:20 PM
That's more than the people who turned up in HK. 

And for some reason, half of them are expats.

Gosh, I wonder why people who live in the PRC might be shy about protesting.

Tanks for this analysis.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Ideologue on October 16, 2011, 05:44:29 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 16, 2011, 05:34:50 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 16, 2011, 03:56:31 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on October 16, 2011, 03:55:20 PM
That's more than the people who turned up in HK. 

And for some reason, half of them are expats.

Gosh, I wonder why people who live in the PRC might be shy about protesting.

Tanks for this analysis.

On a very rare occasion puns are good. :yes:
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Tonitrus on October 16, 2011, 10:24:06 PM
Quote from: Cecil on October 16, 2011, 03:48:57 PM
Quote from: garbon on October 16, 2011, 02:58:36 PM
Quote from: Cecil on October 16, 2011, 02:15:36 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 16, 2011, 01:43:29 PM
The popular media here are having a go at the protesters, because some were spotted wearing $200 Rayban glasses or carrying the newest iPhones. :D

Rich kids always know whats best for societys unfortunates dont ya know. ;)

Well it would have to be the reach kids or the hippy kids. What poor kid has time protesting? Even those unemployed can't just sit around protesting as they need to figure out someway to keep food on their plates.



But I thought pot makes one hungry.   :unsure:
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Barrister on October 16, 2011, 11:05:40 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 16, 2011, 05:44:29 PM
Quote from: Martinus on October 16, 2011, 05:34:50 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 16, 2011, 03:56:31 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on October 16, 2011, 03:55:20 PM
That's more than the people who turned up in HK. 

And for some reason, half of them are expats.

Gosh, I wonder why people who live in the PRC might be shy about protesting.

Tanks for this analysis.

On a very rare occasion puns are good. :yes:

Let this mark the one and only occasion where I agree with both Martinus and Ideo.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Tonitrus on October 17, 2011, 02:15:44 AM
In an apparent act of solidarity, some Russians climbed onto a mast of the famous ship, the Aurora, in Saint Petersburg and flew the Jolly Roger.  :pirate
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Josquius on October 17, 2011, 04:10:32 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on October 16, 2011, 12:40:44 PM
The occupy London one slept over in front of St Paul's last night.  The Canon of St Paul's spoke to them this morning and said that they're generally supportive of the protests and as long as the people are tidy they're welcome to stay.  He asked the police to back off a bit and not try and force them out, as it's the Cathedral's land I don't know if the police can do anything in face of an offer of sanctuary :mellow:
I can't help but cringe knowing that some of the usual suspects for protests are bound to be there and they certainly won't be keeping things tidy...
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Tamas on October 17, 2011, 04:41:38 AM
Is the Hipster Spring upon us?
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Martinus on October 17, 2011, 04:47:35 AM
Yup. That's why the hipster revolution happens in October - very old school/ironic.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Ideologue on October 17, 2011, 04:50:36 AM
Huh.  It is Oktyabr.  I just realized.  Neat.  Technically, though, we should wait till November. -_-

But there's no day like segodnya.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Martinus on October 17, 2011, 04:56:12 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 17, 2011, 04:50:36 AM
Huh.  It is Oktyabr.  I just realized.  Neat.  Technically, though, we should wait till November. -_-

But there's no day like segodnya.

Well, it's typically hipsterish to go for something old school but get it wrong.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Ideologue on October 17, 2011, 05:33:04 AM
It's a reimagining.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: garbon on October 17, 2011, 07:20:03 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 17, 2011, 05:33:04 AM
It's a reimagining.

Yeah I think Mart is a little confused.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: MadImmortalMan on October 17, 2011, 10:34:49 AM
Quote from: Tamas on October 17, 2011, 04:41:38 AM
Is the Hipster Spring upon us?

Wake me when one of them sets himself on fire.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: szmik on October 17, 2011, 11:01:14 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 17, 2011, 10:34:49 AM
Quote from: Tamas on October 17, 2011, 04:41:38 AM
Is the Hipster Spring upon us?

Wake me when one of them sets himself on fire.

Hopefully all of them do that. :yes:
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Ed Anger on October 17, 2011, 11:02:21 AM
Speaking of Hipsters, I have an urge to beat them with a tire iron every time I see one.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: derspiess on October 17, 2011, 02:10:58 PM
They were doing some "Occupy Cincinnati" march this weekend which made traffic even worse when we were driving home after the Cincinnati-Louisville football game.

I was hoping to see some fistfights between college football fans & protesters, but it was mostly just yelling at each other.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Ideologue on October 17, 2011, 02:47:40 PM
I'd really like to see a college football fan set on fire.  I hate those people, clogging up my already terrible city with their Gamecock bullshit.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Ed Anger on October 17, 2011, 05:12:20 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 17, 2011, 02:47:40 PM
I'd really like to see a college football fan set on fire.  I hate those people, clogging up my already terrible city with their Gamecock bullshit.

Don't disrespect the visor.
Title: Re: Occupy Warsaw
Post by: Eddie Teach on October 17, 2011, 05:32:59 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on October 17, 2011, 02:47:40 PM
I'd really like to see a college football fan set on fire.

<_<

QuoteI hate those people, clogging up my already terrible city with their Gamecock bullshit.

Then pray with me that they lose at least one but better yet 2 or 3 of their remaining conference games.