http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4021877,00.html (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4021877,00.html)
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Newly-religious women walking around covered head-to-toe in black clothes are growing in numbers. Even six-year-old girls are made to hide their faces. Haredi rabbis finally condemn growing trend
Apparently, this battle has now transposed to Montreal. Some Jewish sect were importing little girls to be married to older men, like the Mormons, actually, and following an israeli court order, the girls were returned to Israel.
But these Jews are fighting back, screaming of racism and discrimination, as usual.
French text about the situation near Montreal for those who can read the language: (that would be Keynes ;) )
Article (http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/national/201110/07/01-4455052-des-talibans-juifs-dans-les-laurentides.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_B4_manchettes_231_accueil_POS4)
Spending all that time in the Middle East is slowly turning the Israelis into Middle Easterners.
Given that they are being "persecuted" by the Israeli court, I doubt their screams of racism are going to get much traction. :D
Why is it that these cults always invariably go in for child-brides? Jew, Muslim, Christian, Mormon, makes no difference - first thing they do, is go for the child-brides.
Quote from: Valmy on October 07, 2011, 10:45:52 AM
Spending all that time in the Middle East is slowly turning the Israelis into Middle Easterners.
You mean all that time spent in Quebec, right? :lol:
Quote from: viper37 on October 07, 2011, 10:39:57 AM
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4021877,00.html (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4021877,00.html)
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Newly-religious women walking around covered head-to-toe in black clothes are growing in numbers. Even six-year-old girls are made to hide their faces. Haredi rabbis finally condemn growing trend
Apparently, this battle has now transposed to Montreal. Some Jewish sect were importing little girls to be married to older men, like the Mormons, actually, and following an israeli court order, the girls were returned to Israel.
But these Jews are fighting back, screaming of racism and discrimination, as usual.
French text about the situation near Montreal for those who can read the language: (that would be Keynes ;) )
Article (http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/national/201110/07/01-4455052-des-talibans-juifs-dans-les-laurentides.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_B4_manchettes_231_accueil_POS4)
If you were an unbiased person you would understand that the haredim are shun by the rest of israeli society, especially the far out there haredim.
Your insunuantion that "jews are as bad as muslim" is starting to get tired.
The diference is that extreme jews are constantly denounced by mainstream jews, while extreme muslims are either silently or openly supported by mainstream muslims.
Anyway, yom kippur tonight. Get ready to starve.
Speaking of child-brides ... :D
Quote from: Siege on October 07, 2011, 11:15:26 AM
Anyway, yom kippur tonight. Get ready to starve.
Tsom kal pal.
Quote from: Malthus on October 07, 2011, 10:50:02 AM
You mean all that time spent in Quebec, right? :lol:
Well according the Grallon they are basically the same thing these days.
Quote from: Siege on October 07, 2011, 11:13:43 AM
If you were an unbiased person you would understand that the haredim are shun by the rest of israeli society, especially the far out there haredim.
I tought it was pretty well explained in the Ynetnews piece I posted :)
It just took Israel some time to realize it.
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Your insunuantion that "jews are as bad as muslim" is starting to get tired.
Really? Please refresh my memory. Where did I say that? Where did I insunuate that?
Certainly, in my mind, crazy religious Jews = crazy religious muslims = crazy religious christians.
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The diference is that extreme jews are constantly denounced by mainstream jews, while extreme muslims are either silently or openly supported by mainstream muslims.
Mainstream muslims tend to not live long when they denounce extremists.
And they have lots of supports from outside the muslim societies too.
Quote from: Valmy on October 07, 2011, 11:33:49 AM
Quote from: Siege on October 07, 2011, 11:15:26 AM
Anyway, yom kippur tonight. Get ready to starve.
Tsom kal pal.
i didn't know the Klingons were jewish.
Mormons don't typically import young girls to marry older men.
Even supposing you are referring to the fun and exciting offshoots out in the desert, their young girls are typically local produce.
Quote from: Lettow77 on October 07, 2011, 12:12:04 PM
Mormons don't typically import young girls to marry older men.
Even supposing you are referring to the fun and exciting offshoots out in the desert, their young girls are typically local produce.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/02/25/bc-polygamy-trial.html
QuoteThe records stem from the sensational 2008 raid on the Yearning for Zion ranch, a polygamous compound run by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or FLDS, near Eldorado. Residents of Bountiful are also followers of the FLDS, which, unlike the mainstream Mormon church, still practises polygamy.
Quote from: HVC on October 07, 2011, 12:11:42 PM
Quote from: Valmy on October 07, 2011, 11:33:49 AM
Quote from: Siege on October 07, 2011, 11:15:26 AM
Anyway, yom kippur tonight. Get ready to starve.
Tsom kal pal.
i didn't know the Klingons were jewish.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ex-astris-scientia.org%2Finconsistencies%2Fsets%2Fquarters-worf-family.jpg&hash=346b6272611ed73c6bb43c7bad2689734bb14658)
There was a Michael Dorn in my regiment.
Quote from: Malthus on October 07, 2011, 10:49:30 AM
Why is it that these cults always invariably go in for child-brides? Jew, Muslim, Christian, Mormon, makes no difference - first thing they do, is go for the child-brides.
Easier to control than an adult, probably.
Quote from: dps on October 07, 2011, 02:51:19 PM
Easier to control than an adult, probably.
And indoctrinate... When they've internalized their shackles there's no problem later on to make them wear burqas and other tent like outfits.
G.
Quote from: The Brain on October 07, 2011, 02:34:27 PM
There was a Michael Dorn in my regiment.
:lol: I have served with an Anthony Burgess.
Quote from: dps on October 07, 2011, 02:51:19 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 07, 2011, 10:49:30 AM
Why is it that these cults always invariably go in for child-brides? Jew, Muslim, Christian, Mormon, makes no difference - first thing they do, is go for the child-brides.
Easier to control than an adult, probably.
I would have accepted 'horny bastard old dudes who hanker after young flesh and use religion as their excuse to indulge' as well ... :D
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Quote from: The Brain on October 07, 2011, 02:34:27 PM
There was a Michael Dorn in my regiment.
:lol: I have served with an Anthony Burgess.
It's not a competition. I win though.
Quote from: viper37 on October 07, 2011, 10:39:57 AM
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4021877,00.html (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4021877,00.html)
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Newly-religious women walking around covered head-to-toe in black clothes are growing in numbers. Even six-year-old girls are made to hide their faces. Haredi rabbis finally condemn growing trend
like the Mormons, actually,
That is absurd.
Quote from: viper37 on October 07, 2011, 12:19:15 PM
Quote from: Lettow77 on October 07, 2011, 12:12:04 PM
Mormons don't typically import young girls to marry older men.
Even supposing you are referring to the fun and exciting offshoots out in the desert, their young girls are typically local produce.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/02/25/bc-polygamy-trial.html
QuoteThe records stem from the sensational 2008 raid on the Yearning for Zion ranch, a polygamous compound run by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, or FLDS, near Eldorado. Residents of Bountiful are also followers of the FLDS, which, unlike the mainstream Mormon church, still practises polygamy.
I'm not sure why I wear the hat of 'Defender of the Mormon Faith' so often around here, but once again... no. The FLDS is like a bunch of crazies that have been disavowed by the mainstream LDS Church. This is the same thing as saying all Christians are apocalyptic lunatics that stockpile machine guns because David Koresh was.
Quote from: Caliga on October 09, 2011, 08:25:05 PM
I'm not sure why I wear the hat of 'Defender of the Mormon Faith' so often around here, but once again... no. The FLDS is like a bunch of crazies that have been disavowed by the mainstream LDS Church. This is the same thing as saying all Christians are apocalyptic lunatics that stockpile machine guns because David Koresh was.
I tought all Mormons supported poligamy albeit not "officially"? Wasn't there some tv show about polygamy in a mormon "family" once?
Quote from: viper37 on October 11, 2011, 02:19:12 PM
Quote from: Caliga on October 09, 2011, 08:25:05 PM
I'm not sure why I wear the hat of 'Defender of the Mormon Faith' so often around here, but once again... no. The FLDS is like a bunch of crazies that have been disavowed by the mainstream LDS Church. This is the same thing as saying all Christians are apocalyptic lunatics that stockpile machine guns because David Koresh was.
I tought all Mormons supported poligamy albeit not "officially"? Wasn't there some tv show about polygamy in a mormon "family" once?
The official Mormon church does not promote polygamy. That's something only the offshoots do.
Lord help us if people begin assuming that ordinary Jews are into the OP article group's antics. :wacko:
Since Hitler didn't officially genocide the Jews I guess he didn't genocide the Jews.
Quote from: Malthus on October 11, 2011, 02:27:26 PM
Lord help us if people begin assuming that ordinary Jews are into the OP article group's antics. :wacko:
Because you think they don't?
Unfortunately, they do. The Orthodox Jews of Outremont (in Montreal, the guys who change street side when they see someone not from their community) are often seen as "The Jews". It's hard to convince people there isn't a single "Jew" but rather many "Jews" like there are many Christians. I guess the other, non traditional Jews, like the Bronfmans were seen simply as English and not Jews.
Quote from: viper37 on October 11, 2011, 02:43:40 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 11, 2011, 02:27:26 PM
Lord help us if people begin assuming that ordinary Jews are into the OP article group's antics. :wacko:
Because you think they don't?
Unfortunately, they do. The Orthodox Jews of Outremont (in Montreal, the guys who change street side when they see someone not from their community) are often seen as "The Jews". It's hard to convince people there isn't a single "Jew" but rather many "Jews" like there are many Christians. I guess the other, non traditional Jews, like the Bronfmans were seen simply as English and not Jews.
Bad enough that your ordinary average Orthodox type gets confused with the real nutters in the OP. :lol: But *all* Jews? Ouch.
Quote from: Malthus on October 11, 2011, 02:50:50 PM
Bad enough that your ordinary average Orthodox type gets confused with the real nutters in the OP. :lol: But *all* Jews? Ouch.
You guys should start working on your PR department. Discuss that at your next Jewish conspiracy meeting :lol:
Quote from: viper37 on October 11, 2011, 02:43:40 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 11, 2011, 02:27:26 PM
Lord help us if people begin assuming that ordinary Jews are into the OP article group's antics. :wacko:
Because you think they don't?
Unfortunately, they do. The Orthodox Jews of Outremont (in Montreal, the guys who change street side when they see someone not from their community) are often seen as "The Jews". It's hard to convince people there isn't a single "Jew" but rather many "Jews" like there are many Christians. I guess the other, non traditional Jews, like the Bronfmans were seen simply as English and not Jews.
What makes you think they are the traditional jews?
Quote from: Siege on October 12, 2011, 03:38:31 PM
What makes you think they are the traditional jews?
Because they say so. I think it was a representative of the Hasidim (might have been another Orthodox group) who said "we didn't change, the others are changing". I interpret that as them being traditional.
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Quote from: Siege on October 12, 2011, 03:38:31 PM
What makes you think they are the traditional jews?
Might be the bad word. Meaning the guys who wear the beards, the hats, the long hair vs the Jews who look like anyone around them.
Those who do their best to look different: traditional. Those who do their best to blend in: others.
There are many distinct Jewish groups, but I do not know them all, nor do I know all of their clothing habits.
The guys with the funny clothing are ultra-Orthodox.
Basically, that funny clothing is not some sort of Jew costume, it is simply different varieties of clothing that people in general happen to have been wearing when the Jewish sect in question happened to form (and fossilize):
http://www.orthodox-jews.com/orthodox-jewish-clothing.html#axzz1abZl1aLJ
So some groups wear what a 19th century Lithuanian would have worn, others the sort of fur hat an 18th century Polish nobleman would have worn, etc.
It is as if some group of Christians formed of '60s Jesus Freaks decided that henceforth everyone in their sect and all their descendants were going to dress in '60s oufits, forever. In a couple of centuries, their descendants would look remarkably odd.
Most non-ultra-Orthodox consider that stuff crazy and as having nothing whatever to do with "Judaism".
Quote from: Malthus on October 12, 2011, 04:31:27 PM
It is as if some group of Christians formed of '60s Jesus Freaks decided that henceforth everyone in their sect and all their descendants were going to dress in '60s oufits, forever. In a couple of centuries, their descendants would look remarkably odd.
Kinda like the Amish.
Thanks for the link on the outfit. Funny enough, there was this ad at the top of the page (http://www.shoedazzle.com/getstyled?dzcode=gaw&dzcontent=gaw0022&dzunit=336x280_SQ1_201107&utm_medium=web&utm_source=gaw&utm_campaign=336x280_SQ1_201107&pp=2407%7E1490%7E2792&utm_content=gaw0022) :D
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Most non-ultra-Orthodox consider that stuff crazy and as having nothing whatever to do with "Judaism".
I figured that. IIRC, they avoid marrying with other Jews?
Quote from: viper37 on October 12, 2011, 04:21:33 PM
Because they say so. I think it was a representative of the Hasidim (might have been another Orthodox group) who said "we didn't change, the others are changing". I interpret that as them being traditional.
See Malthus comments.
Not sure what kind of clothing Moses and King David might have worn but my guess is that they didn't dress like 18th century Ukranian fur merchants.
Quote from: viper37 on October 12, 2011, 06:13:24 PM
Kinda like the Amish.
Yup, similar deal.
QuoteThanks for the link on the outfit. Funny enough, there was this ad at the top of the page (http://www.shoedazzle.com/getstyled?dzcode=gaw&dzcontent=gaw0022&dzunit=336x280_SQ1_201107&utm_medium=web&utm_source=gaw&utm_campaign=336x280_SQ1_201107&pp=2407%7E1490%7E2792&utm_content=gaw0022) :D
For the fashionable Hassid. ;)
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I figured that. IIRC, they avoid marrying with other Jews?
Yup.
Plus the other way around! Who would *want* to marry a practicing Hassid, if they weren't one?
Quote from: Malthus on October 13, 2011, 02:20:15 PM
Plus the other way around! Who would *want* to marry a practicing Hassid, if they weren't one?
You never know... There are occidental women marrying strict Mulsims and wearing a veil. So why not? I suppose one could convert/adopt the religious practice. Or one could abandon his/her religion, but then I guess they have to cut all family ties, I suppose?
Quote from: viper37 on October 13, 2011, 04:32:59 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 13, 2011, 02:20:15 PM
Plus the other way around! Who would *want* to marry a practicing Hassid, if they weren't one?
You never know... There are occidental women marrying strict Mulsims and wearing a veil. So why not? I suppose one could convert/adopt the religious practice. Or one could abandon his/her religion, but then I guess they have to cut all family ties, I suppose?
There used to be a bit of an "orientalist" fetish for Arabs - you know, the "Desert Song", Rudolf Valentino in "the Son of the Sheik", that sort of thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Son_of_the_Sheik
This strain of Western culture makes Arab men out to be dashing, exotic and romantic. These are not traits our culture assigns to Hasidic men. ;)
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Quote from: viper37 on October 13, 2011, 04:32:59 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 13, 2011, 02:20:15 PM
Plus the other way around! Who would *want* to marry a practicing Hassid, if they weren't one?
You never know... There are occidental women marrying strict Mulsims and wearing a veil. So why not? I suppose one could convert/adopt the religious practice. Or one could abandon his/her religion, but then I guess they have to cut all family ties, I suppose?
There used to be a bit of an "orientalist" fetish for Arabs - you know, the "Desert Song", Rudolf Valentino in "the Son of the Sheik", that sort of thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Son_of_the_Sheik
This strain of Western culture makes Arab men out to be dashing, exotic and romantic. These are not traits our culture assigns to Hasidic men. ;)
OTOH, the popular depiction of Hasidic men is that they are wealthy jewel dealers, and women are certainly attracted to wealthy men.