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Article and video can be found here
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44523883/ns/us_news-life/#.TnH4KexLNac
Wow the patio outside the Oval Office looks like just the back patio at Trudy's the restaurant my Brother-in-law works :hmm:
That is one hell of a story. It is a pretty big deal when one of these things is awarded and even rarer for it not to be postumous.
I hope that beer wasn't an import...
Quote from: Valmy on September 15, 2011, 08:15:30 AM
Wow the patio outside the Oval Office looks like just the back patio at Trudy's the restaurant my Brother-in-law works :hmm:
That is one hell of a story. It is a pretty big deal when one of these things is awarded and even rarer for it not to be postumous.
:o
Your brother in law is secretly the president!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 15, 2011, 08:24:45 PM
Your brother in law is secretly the president!
No, I believe the term Valmy uses for BHO is "brother from a different mother."
I stopped the video when the soldier chick said "please pray with me".
What the fuck is wrong with you guys, seriously.
Quote from: Zoupa on September 15, 2011, 11:07:38 PM
I stopped the video when the soldier chick said "please pray with me".
What the fuck is wrong with you guys, seriously.
We are a military superpower. It's difficult to get people to willingly sacrifice their lives with out the belief in a higher power. Or the heavy use of blocking detachments.
Quote from: Zoupa on September 15, 2011, 11:07:38 PM
I stopped the video when the soldier chick said "please pray with me".
What the fuck is wrong with you guys, seriously.
You can just pretend to pray. :rolleyes:
Hmm...guess the video updated.
It's a ceremony Zoupa, honoring not just the living but the soldiers who've passed away. What do you expect?
President's opening remarks were amusing.
Here's the original video that chronicle his exploits
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#44429285
[siege]
So we're giving this guy a medal for the towel-heads being 10 up?
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Quote from: Zoupa on September 15, 2011, 11:07:38 PM
I stopped the video when the soldier chick said "please pray with me".
What the fuck is wrong with you guys, seriously.
They are americans, what did you expect?
Does a priest say a prayer at a Quebecker funeral? Or do you guys light up a fatty and fuck around the casket?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 16, 2011, 06:04:22 AM
Does a priest say a prayer at a Quebecker funeral? Or do you guys light up a fatty and fuck around the casket?
Depends who died. Sometimes a priest shows up, for 60$, and prays & all the little hypocrite sheep that is the baby boomer generation prays with him.
Quote from: Zoupa on September 15, 2011, 11:07:38 PM
I stopped the video when the soldier chick said "please pray with me".
What the fuck is wrong with you guys, seriously.
We have respect for tradition and decorum -_-
Yeah this isn't a funeral, they're not in a church, so chill out Yi.
Is the US government a christian state? Serious question. I don't understand how you can have a prayer in an official ceremony of state. It just makes me uncomfortable.
:lol:
Its called the chaplain invocation.
Every military official activity begins with one.
They are suppossed to keep it neutral so it can apply to all religions and it doens;t offend anybody.
This is not the way it always happens. I have had to call chaplains out, and let them know not all american soldiers are christians.
Quote from: Zoupa on September 16, 2011, 05:50:34 PM
I don't understand how you can have a prayer in an official ceremony of state.
Of course you do. You're not stupid, you're just from a different cultural millieu, a post-Christian one. Instead of god, your people believe in the things like animals rights or environmentalism. It's just a different expression of the religious impulse.
Quote from: Siege on September 16, 2011, 06:06:35 PM
Its called the chaplain invocation.
Every military official activity begins with one.
They are suppossed to keep it neutral so it can apply to all religions and it doens;t offend anybody.
This is not the way it always happens. I have had to call chaplains out, and let them know not all american soldiers are christians.
Do you call them "chappy"?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 16, 2011, 05:59:29 PM
:lol:
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:lol:
This is from the article:
"He is an infantryman and scout sniper also trained as a combat lifesaver. At the time of his deployment to combat duty in Afghanistan he was serving as a turret gunner and driver."
This is extremely retarded, the way the writter is saying this.
Infantryman, scout sniper, CLS (combat lifesaver), turret gunner and driver are not similar.
- Infantryman is an MOS (military occupational speciality), its what kind of soldier you are, like infantry, combat engeneer, tank crewman, military police, military intelligence, cook, supply, artilleryman, cavalry scout, mechanic, etc. and it takes over 4 months of straight training to get your basic qualification.
- Scout sniper is an additional skill indentifier, meaning you have your MOS, and then the adittional skill identifier. Scout sniper in the marines is a 3 months school, and mininmum requirements are to be an infantryman, E-3 rank, GT score of 110 or higher, expert with the M16/M4. In the Army Scout Sniper school is divided between Sniper and Recon school. You have to pass your unit selection to get this school.
- CLS (combat lifesaver) is just a 40 hours school mandatory for EVERY soldier and marine regardless of MOS. It is ridiculous to mention this as a something special.
- Turret gunner is just a position in the vehicle, which rotates among the squad. Everybody in the squad have to man the turret sooner or later. There is no special training for this, other than qualifiying with the M2 machinegun, which every infantryman have to do.
- Driver is just another position. Everybody rotates through the steering wheel. A couple days of driving training that all soldiers, not just the infantrymen, get.
Bottom line, you don;t say "he was serving as the turret gunner and driver", let alone mention CLS.
Quote from: Siege on September 16, 2011, 06:06:35 PM
I have had to call chaplains out, and let them know not all american soldiers are christians.
Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see His banners go!
Refrain:
Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
At the sign of triumph Satan's host doth flee;
On then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
Hell's foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
Brothers, lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.
Like a mighty army moves the church of God;
Brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
We are not divided, all one body we,
One in hope and doctrine, one in charity.
Crowns and thrones may perish, kingdoms rise and wane,
But the church of Jesus constant will remain.
Gates of hell can never 'gainst that church prevail;
We have Christ's own promise, and that cannot fail.
Onward then, ye people, join our happy throng,
Blend with ours your voices in the triumph song.
Glory, laud, and honor unto Christ the King,
This through countless ages men and angels sing.
Quote from: Zoupa on September 16, 2011, 06:26:31 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 16, 2011, 05:59:29 PM
:lol:
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:lol:
I'm trying to find what is so funny.
I want to meet Zoups, and start praying in front of him.
Zoups: Hello! I'm.....
Me: HAIL MARY FULL OF GRACE! THE LORD IS MY SAVIOUR!
Zoups: Nooooooooooooo! I'm Burning! *dies*
Me: Another heathen vanquished. *halo appears over my head*
I only have issues with religion in a national or state context.
Y'all can be as crazy as you want in your private life, praying with snakes and shit.
Dumb yanks.
Quote from: Zoupa on September 16, 2011, 07:10:06 PM
I only have issues with religion in a national or state context.
Y'all can be as crazy as you want in your private life, praying with snakes and shit.
Dumb yanks.
I actually seen snake handlers in action. Last time I'd go with a friend to his church.
Well, well. I guess we know who's up against the wall when Zoupa's revolution comes. Those of us NOT horrified by public displays of religion at government memorial services.
Quote from: Scipio on September 16, 2011, 07:15:32 PM
Well, well. I guess we know who's up against the wall when Zoupa's revolution comes. Those of us NOT horrified by public displays of religion at government memorial services.
:frog: Indeed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Ferry_laws (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Ferry_laws)
They taught me well.
Quote from: Zoupa on September 16, 2011, 07:10:06 PM
I only have issues with religion in a national or state context.
Y'all can be as crazy as you want in your private life, praying with snakes and shit.
Dumb yanks.
How does it work in Canada?
Here of course it's standard. The Monarch's the Supreme Governor of the Church of England, Defender of the Faith and all the rest. Parliament opens every day with a prayer, our state events are presided over by the state church. How's that Anglican heritage been transformed in Canada (or for that matter Australia or New Zealand)?
Quote from: Zoupa on September 16, 2011, 07:10:06 PM
I only have issues with religion in a national or state context.
Y'all can be as crazy as you want in your private life, praying with snakes and shit.
Dumb yanks.
Yeah, we don't have a national language, yet the treaty is written in English. The horror. Soldiers desire a particular service (chaplains), and the government provides it. I don't know see how that is crazy.
To be fair, you're a poor judge of what's crazy or not.
Military and many police forces sponsor religious funerals because it's expected that some of their number will die, and a subset of the set of dead people will have wanted religious ceremony. It's not like they make you get a Christian funeral if you don't want it, Zoupa; they're just providing a service, in accordance with the recipients' beliefs. It doesn't mean America is a Christian nation, anymore than it means it's a front for the ZOG when a Jewish soldier is struck down and given a Jewish funeral, or the Caliphate when a Muslim soldier gets hit by a truck and is given services in accordance with Islam.
Quote from: Ideologue on September 16, 2011, 08:28:19 PM
Military and many police forces sponsor religious funerals because it's expected that some of their number will die, and a subset of the set of dead people will have wanted religious ceremony. It's not like they make you get a Christian funeral if you don't want it, Zoupa; they're just providing a service, in accordance with the recipients' beliefs. It doesn't mean America is a Christian nation, anymore than it means it's a front for the ZOG when a Jewish soldier is struck down and given a Jewish funeral, or the Caliphate when a Muslim soldier gets hit by a truck and is given services in accordance with Islam.
But that wasn't a funeral, the President was awarding a soldier the MoH.
Quote from: sbr on September 16, 2011, 08:33:12 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on September 16, 2011, 08:28:19 PM
Military and many police forces sponsor religious funerals because it's expected that some of their number will die, and a subset of the set of dead people will have wanted religious ceremony. It's not like they make you get a Christian funeral if you don't want it, Zoupa; they're just providing a service, in accordance with the recipients' beliefs. It doesn't mean America is a Christian nation, anymore than it means it's a front for the ZOG when a Jewish soldier is struck down and given a Jewish funeral, or the Caliphate when a Muslim soldier gets hit by a truck and is given services in accordance with Islam.
But that wasn't a funeral, the President was awarding a soldier the MoH.
Well oh.
Quote from: Zoupa on September 16, 2011, 08:12:40 PM
To be fair, you're a poor judge of what's crazy or not.
On the contrary, having been both sane and insane, gives me intimate insight into madness.
Quote from: Razgovory on September 16, 2011, 08:55:50 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on September 16, 2011, 08:12:40 PM
To be fair, you're a poor judge of what's crazy or not.
On the contrary, having been both sane and insane, gives me intimate insight into madness.
Hannibal Lecter certainly had a lot of insight into manias other than his own. :hmm:
Quote from: Zoupa on September 16, 2011, 05:50:34 PM
Yeah this isn't a funeral, they're not in a church, so chill out Yi.
Is the US government a christian state? Serious question. I don't understand how you can have a prayer in an official ceremony of state. It just makes me uncomfortable.
Nope a Rabbi or whatever could also have done it. Religious stuff is supposed to instill civic virtue. At least that is the idea.
Quote from: Zoupa on September 16, 2011, 05:50:34 PM
Yeah this isn't a funeral, they're not in a church, so chill out Yi.
Is the US government a christian state? Serious question. I don't understand how you can have a prayer in an official ceremony of state. It just makes me uncomfortable.
QuoteWhereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law:
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/Charter/page-1.html
:hmm:
Quote from: Siege on September 16, 2011, 06:06:35 PM
Its called the chaplain invocation.
Every military official activity begins with one.
They are suppossed to keep it neutral so it can apply to all religions and it doens;t offend anybody.
This is not the way it always happens. I have had to call chaplains out, and let them know not all american soldiers are christians.
Yep, we had it for the USN Chief's pinning ceremony on Friday.
BTW, and you'll like this, Siege - we had a Rabbi with us at my last command, and he was easily the most visible and affable chappie of the lot (out of three or four)
[Nitpicky] - Ex-Marine is incorrect in this case - he's a former-Marine[/nitpicky]
For Marines, the distinction is important. Ex-Marine is code for "was kicked out for bad conduct, etc"
Those who were medically or honorably discharged are former-Marines. I have no idea when or why this started.
By the way, his complains about commanders refusing to provide fire support (artillery, rotary wing, etc) is a direct result of our current Rules of Engagement, which gives priority to avoiding civilian cassualties over protecting our guys on the field.
This is our every day story.
If you call for fire support, and if you are lucky, you gonna get a few artillery rounds placed a MILE away from the target you asked to be hit, in a place the commander knows for sure, by looking at his map, that is far away from any civilian structure or road. This means it is completely uneffective. Sometimes you ask for an smoke screen, to cover your movement, smoke that is not gonna kill nobody, and they again place it a MILE away where it is not effective at all.
From the unit commanders point of view, it is LESS damaging to their carreers to lose soldiers than to hit a civilian structure and kill a couple of civilians, which might be military age males which happen to be civilians this day because they either were spotting for their dudes or because their friends picked up their weapons leaving the dead bodies behind for the propaganda effect.
I got to tell man, shit is really stupid out there. You can only rely on yourself and your team.
Maybe you should join the other side Siege. They don't care if you kill civilians.
Quote from: Siege on September 18, 2011, 10:00:26 AM
By the way, his complains about commanders refusing to provide fire support (artillery, rotary wing, etc) is a direct result of our current Rules of Engagement, which gives priority to avoiding civilian cassualties over protecting our guys on the field.
This is our every day story.
If you call for fire support, and if you are lucky, you gonna get a few artillery rounds placed a MILE away from the target you asked to be hit, in a place the commander knows for sure, by looking at his map, that is far away from any civilian structure or road. This means it is completely uneffective. Sometimes you ask for an smoke screen, to cover your movement, smoke that is not gonna kill nobody, and they again place it a MILE away where it is not effective at all.
From the unit commanders point of view, it is LESS damaging to their carreers to lose soldiers than to hit a civilian structure and kill a couple of civilians, which might be military age males which happen to be civilians this day because they either were spotting for their dudes or because their friends picked up their weapons leaving the dead bodies behind for the propaganda effect.
I got to tell man, shit is really stupid out there. You can only rely on yourself and your team.
Army Captain who was there with the Marine for most of the engagement was shunned for awards or recognition because of his critical remarks about his superiors in the AAR and afterward.
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2011/09/military-dakota-meyer-will-swenson-ganjgal-afghanistan-091311w/
Quote from: Siege on September 16, 2011, 06:06:35 PM
I have had to call chaplains out, and let them know not all american soldiers are christians.
You should explore regulation and compliance as a career, what with your talent of making sure there's at least one douchebag in a group.