I think we had a thread on this before, but what the heck.
BBC: Portugal's jobless graduates flee to Africa and Brazil (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-14716410)
QuoteThe Lost Generation
Youth unemployment in Portugal is 26.8%, with more than 95,000 people jobless between the ages of 16 and 25
About 6.5% of the country's population of 10 million left the country between 1998 and 2008, according to economist Alvaro Santos Pereira
About a quarter of the working population are freelance, even if they work full time
A protest picnic in March which brought 400,000 people on to the streets of Lisbon and Porto, was one of the biggest demonstrations in the country since the 1974 revolution
QuoteThousands of young unemployed professionals are escaping Portugal's crippling economic crisis by finding jobs in former colonies, such as Brazil and Angola. The reversal of traditional migration patterns is fuelling talk of a "lost generation".
Natalia Santos has had enough. She occasionally laughs as she tells me her story but there is hardness in her olive-green eyes.
Nobody could accuse the 29-year-old teacher from Porto of lacking initiative. She has done more than most to find full-time work in Portugal.
Over the past six years she has applied to 362 schools, yet despite glowing references, she has never landed a job that lasted more than nine months.
Natalia has been forced to accept a string of short-term contracts on the minimum wage of around 500 euro per month.
In the fallow periods in-between, she helps her unemployed parents to grow fruit and vegetables.
Brain drain
Natalia also went to Poland for a year, on the Erasmus European volunteering scheme. She wanted to work - even if it was unpaid apart from expenses.
She hoped that the experience would help her back in Portugal, but it didn't. So she applied for a position in Ireland but then the economy there crashed.
Undeterred, Natalia tried another tack and went back to university to train as a special needs teacher.
Natalia Santos After trying tirelessly to get a job in Portugal, Natalia is preparing to leave
But recent cuts in the education budget mean that most schools are now restricted to just one special needs teacher instead of four or five.
So no luck there either.
"I feel very frustrated sometimes and very disappointed," she says.
"But I won't give up. I'll go abroad because I am not going to wait for Portugal to give me something."
Natalia is about to join the growing brain drain.
One in 10 graduates now leaves the country, leading many to talking about Portugal's "lost generation".
"This is the biggest emigration wave since the 1960s," says Filipa Pinho of the government's newly established Emigration Observatory.
Dizzying growth
Portugal has traditionally exported some of its manpower - it has a diaspora around the world of three million. But in the past, it was blue-collar workers and villagers who left for a better life. Now it's the skilled and well-educated.
And if 50 years ago young Portuguese left to seek their fortune in richer parts of Europe, today they are packing their bags for booming Brazil, Angola and Mozambique.
It is a historic role reversal, because for decades Portugal lured immigrants from its former colonies in Latin America and Africa.
Ms Pinho admits that her agency's statistics lag behind trends, but according to the Observatory, the number of Portuguese registered at consulates in Brazil jumped by some 60,000 between 2009 and 2010.
As for Angola, in 2006, only 156 Angolan visas were issued to southbound Portuguese, but in 2010, the figure was 23,787.
Today, there are around 3,000 Portuguese companies in Angola. Some of these belong to Antonio Bagal, a 32-year-old entrepreneur from Lisbon.
Flushed with success, he's now got his eye on a much bigger emerging market - Brazil.
Back in Portugal for a family wedding, he explains that when he started working in the Angolan capital Luanda a few years ago, most of the expats were in their 40s and 50s.
Now, though, more young people are arriving.
"Most of them have good degrees, masters, even PhDs," he says, "and the new thing is that many of them don't want to come back. Right now Angola is developing really fast, it needs skilled people to build the infrastructure."
A civil engineer earning 900 euros ($1,300, or £800) a month in Portugal could earn four times as much in Angola, he says.
But Brazil is also eager for Portuguese engineers and architects, he says, because there is a construction boom ahead of the 2014 World Cup and the Olympics in 2016.
When David Bernado, a Portuguese businessman based in Sao Paulo set up a Facebook page entitled Jobs for Foreigners in Brazil, it attracted 20,000 people in less than a fortnight. Most were young Portuguese aged 24 to 35, and more than half were women.
The numbers of young Portuguese leaving for traditional migrant destinations have also risen.
In the past two years there has been a 6.3% increase in Portuguese moving to the US, a 16% increase in those moving to Canada and a 4.8% increase in those heading to Australia.
But Antonio says that in the country's former colonies, the economies are growing at dizzying rates and the added advantage is that you don't have to speak English.
While I'm in Lisbon, I get an email from Miguel Paula, a 29-year-old who has just been laid off from his administrative job in the Portuguese parliament.
His 25-year-old wife used to work for an advertising company specialising in pharmaceutical products, but she has just been replaced by an unpaid intern.
They are now planning to move to jobs in Maputo, Mozambique. Miguel says that his best friend has just relocated to Macao - the Las Vegas of the Lusophone world.
Natalia has no doubt about who is blame for the crisis, which has destroyed her career aspirations.
"Banks. They made mistakes and now they say we have to pay. But I disagree, I don't want to pay," she says.
"I prefer to leave everything behind - family, friends, my culture - everything than to pay for a crisis I didn't cause."
Quote from: Syt on September 05, 2011, 01:00:35 AM
Natalia has no doubt about who is blame for the crisis, which has destroyed her career aspirations.
"Banks. They made mistakes and now they say we have to pay. But I disagree, I don't want to pay," she says.
:D
Don't blame how you voted, Natalia. :P
Oh yeah, Luanda and Maputo are on the top of my list. :huh:
Kenny if this is the alternative, I have a couch in Seattle.
Quote from: Habsburg on September 05, 2011, 02:31:01 AM
Oh yeah, Luanda and Maputo are on the top of my list. :huh:
Kenny if this is the alternative, I have a couch in Seattle.
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The few Portuguese people I met at uni were mostly dicks.
So :nelson:
Quote from: Habsburg on September 05, 2011, 02:31:01 AM
Oh yeah, Luanda and Maputo are on the top of my list. :huh:
Kenny if this is the alternative, I have a couch in Seattle.
Dude, I want a job in Seattle, and I'm not a filthy Iberian. Well, I am a filthy Iberian, but my blood is cut with that of the white man. The point is, I can spell.
Quote from: Habsburg on September 05, 2011, 02:31:01 AM
Oh yeah, Luanda and Maputo are on the top of my list. :huh:
Kenny if this is the alternative, I have a couch in Seattle.
Angola has been going through an oil fuelled boom in the last few years, and as they don't have almost any local engineers and other assorted professionals they have to import them by the bucketload. Locals might be living in tin roofed shanty towns, but expats most probably are living pretty well there.
Quote from: The Larch on September 05, 2011, 05:30:46 AM
Quote from: Habsburg on September 05, 2011, 02:31:01 AM
Oh yeah, Luanda and Maputo are on the top of my list. :huh:
Kenny if this is the alternative, I have a couch in Seattle.
Angola has been going through an oil fuelled boom in the last few years, and as they don't have almost any local engineers and other assorted professionals they have to import them by the bucketload. Locals might be living in tin roofed shanty towns, but expats most probably are living pretty well there.
Luanda is also among the most expensive cities in Africa and even in the world for expats thanks to that oil boom. Not interested, sorry.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on September 05, 2011, 07:30:30 AM
Quote from: The Larch on September 05, 2011, 05:30:46 AM
Quote from: Habsburg on September 05, 2011, 02:31:01 AM
Oh yeah, Luanda and Maputo are on the top of my list. :huh:
Kenny if this is the alternative, I have a couch in Seattle.
Angola has been going through an oil fuelled boom in the last few years, and as they don't have almost any local engineers and other assorted professionals they have to import them by the bucketload. Locals might be living in tin roofed shanty towns, but expats most probably are living pretty well there.
Luanda is also among the most expensive cities in Africa and even in the world for expats thanks to that oil boom. Not interested, sorry.
Heh, I know, some colleagues of mine went there for a conference a couple of years ago and they came back with gruesome stories about prices in Luanda. They also got a terrible case of "shitting myself down my trousers" after a "complimentary" dinner at some local community.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 05, 2011, 01:17:09 AM
Quote from: Syt on September 05, 2011, 01:00:35 AM
Natalia has no doubt about who is blame for the crisis, which has destroyed her career aspirations.
"Banks. They made mistakes and now they say we have to pay. But I disagree, I don't want to pay," she says.
:D
Jobless rate 26 % in her age group. Hilarious!
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Zoupa on September 05, 2011, 11:34:48 PM
Jobless rate 26 % in her age group. Hilarious!
:rolleyes:
That one's pretty good but I thought her line about the banks was funnier.
Why is it funny? It's just another lazy eggplant who doesn't have a job and doesn't want to pay her bills. COLOR ME SHOCKED.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 05, 2011, 11:50:36 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on September 05, 2011, 11:34:48 PM
Jobless rate 26 % in her age group. Hilarious!
:rolleyes:
That one's pretty good but I thought her line about the banks was funnier.
You're an idiot, and getting worse with age too.
Quote from: Zoupa on September 06, 2011, 12:46:32 AM
You're an idiot, and getting worse with age too.
Doesn't everybody?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 06, 2011, 01:18:38 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on September 06, 2011, 12:46:32 AM
You're an idiot, and getting worse with age too.
Doesn't everybody?
No. I'm getting compared to George Clooney these days. :cool:
Quote from: Zoupa on September 06, 2011, 12:46:32 AM
You're an idiot, and getting worse with age too.
Remind me why I'm supposed to care what you think.
It's just a statement of fact. Nobody says you have to care.
Quote from: Zoupa on September 06, 2011, 01:21:37 AM
No. I'm getting compared to George Clooney these days. :cool:
omg.
:mmm:
Some do, some don't.
In case someone cares Europe still seems to be the place most people go.
UK seems to have replaced France on the main destination though.
Quote from: Zoupa on September 06, 2011, 01:21:37 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 06, 2011, 01:18:38 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on September 06, 2011, 12:46:32 AM
You're an idiot, and getting worse with age too.
Doesn't everybody?
No. I'm getting compared to George Clooney these days. :cool:
Since when was George a Mensa candidate?
i'm with yi. natalia's quote is priceless :lol:
Ok, maybe I'm not getting this. What is funny about her quote?
Serious question. I took it she didn't mean porto banks.
Wow, good posting. here (https://wiki.citizen.apps.gov/GovNewMedia/index.php/St._Augustine_School_of_Medical_Assistants)
Quote from: DwermCitweari on September 06, 2011, 11:45:22 PM
Wow, good posting. here (https://wiki.citizen.apps.gov/GovNewMedia/index.php/St._Augustine_School_of_Medical_Assistants)
hello, monger's friend :)
@zoupa: reminds me of those southerners who blame their poverty on sherman. or, in general, entitled upper-middle class youth who think they deserve solid employment. if she tried, i'm sure she could have found something somewhere. that she chose
ireland of all places as her out-of-country option seems a bit off
She tried for years and never got a permanent position.
When 6.5% of your population emigrates during the last decade, she's not an anomaly. You could argue that those numbers make her quote sound strange since unemployment is not a recent problem in Portugal. I took it to mean that with the imminent crash and bailout from the financial crisis, youth employment in the future looks even bleaker.
The woman replaced with the intern has me most worried.
Yet another reason that sort of thing should be illegal.
Quote from: Zoupa on September 06, 2011, 11:57:27 PM
She tried for years and never got a permanent position.
When 6.5% of your population emigrates during the last decade, she's not an anomaly. You could argue that those numbers make her quote sound strange since unemployment is not a recent problem in Portugal. I took it to mean that with the imminent crash and bailout from the financial crisis, youth employment in the future looks even bleaker.
i'm not sure about employment in portugal for the youth. maybe they're all lazy like their spanish brethren (:P); maybe it could be job offers are abysmally low and in many cases nonexistent, but the text that introduced the quote and the quote itself simply made it funny (imo). she could be very well justified in her response, or she could be throwing shit to the wind. i don't know
I can not abide Maputo or Harare.
It's Lourenço Marques and Salisbury. :contract: