Please help me wrap my fucking head around this. I am spun three way to Sunday over this.
I work for the US Govmint (Civilian Civil Service). An award system was instituted for emplyees to get monitary(money) awards based on their performance in a 12 month rating period.
How does a US govmint agency justify giving tax payer money (monitary award) to individuals that;
1. Fall alseep while on duty
2. No-show for work
3. Hit a pedestrian in a cross walk will responding, code 1, to a call and are found at fault.
4. Damage a govmint vehicles and are found at fault.
5. Show up late for work so many times they get a suspension.
6. Willfully violate SOP's.
7. Leave work with out informing supervision in a contact-relief environment.
Please someone explain this. US taxpayers respond. Others please comment too.
Thanks
Yes.
If you have people who are doing 3 and 4, it probably is a net benefit to the public to pay them an incentive to do 2.
Are these people in the Army?
Quote from: Razgovory on September 01, 2011, 09:41:57 AM
Are these people in the Army?
He said Civilian Civil Service. But hey it would not surprise me the army had a Civilian Civil Service. The government has funny stuff like that in it all the time.
Quote from: 11B4V on September 01, 2011, 10:00:03 AM
Navy
The civilian service of the Navy? They should get their own version of 'Anchor's Away' where they sing of commuting from the suburbs.
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2011, 10:04:36 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on September 01, 2011, 10:00:03 AM
Navy
The civilian service of the Navy? They should get their own version of 'Anchor's Away' where they sing of commuting from the suburbs.
lol. Let me see if I can clarify. Department of Defense working for the Navy.
Am I to understand that not only did this courageous civilian sailor do these douchey things and keep his job he is getting a merit bonus of some sort? Man I am working in the wrong bureaucracy :(
Quote from: Valmy on September 01, 2011, 10:08:18 AM
Am I to understand that not only did this courageous civilian sailor do these douchey things and keep his job he is getting a merit bonus of some sort? Man I am working in the wrong bureaucracy :(
Not just one person. These are indivdual(s). Each of the above is attached to a separte person.
Do they defraud their employer? Until they do (and get a bonus) I am not impressed.
Lawyer up and shake some money loose from the whistle blower tree. :ph34r:
My guess is that person in charge of making the awards, in the interests of not pissing anyone off, just split the award money into equal slices.
Wouldn't people doing that stuff get bad reviews and no bonus money?
Quote from: 11B4V on September 01, 2011, 09:24:08 AM
Please help me wrap my fucking head around this. I am spun three way to Sunday over this.
I work for the US Govmint (Civilian Civil Service). An award system was instituted for emplyees to get monitary(money) awards based on their performance in a 12 month rating period.
How does a US govmint agency justify giving tax payer money (monitary award) to individuals that;
1. Fall alseep while on duty
2. No-show for work
3. Hit a pedestrian in a cross walk will responding, code 1, to a call and are found at fault.
4. Damage a govmint vehicles and are found at fault.
5. Show up late for work so many times they get a suspension.
6. Willfully violate SOP's.
7. Leave work with out informing supervision in a contact-relief environment.
Please someone explain this. US taxpayers respond. Others please comment too.
Thanks
:unsure: Congrats? :cheers:
Stop making fun of grumbler!!!
Quote from: Martinus on September 01, 2011, 04:26:07 PM
Stop making fun of grumbler!!!
That was stupid. Even for you.
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 01, 2011, 04:40:32 PM
Quote from: Martinus on September 01, 2011, 04:26:07 PM
Stop making fun of grumbler!!!
That was stupid. Even for you.
I disagree.
It was about par for the course with Marti.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 01, 2011, 02:13:51 PM
Wouldn't people doing that stuff get bad reviews and no bonus money?
You would think.
Seriously, though, you can't judge someone's performance based on a few moments. Running down a pedestrian is bad, but it's not like they guy spent more than a few moments during the whole working year doing that. For all we know, he wasn't running down pedestrians for the rest of the year.
Quote from: DGuller on September 01, 2011, 05:10:22 PM
Seriously, though, you can't judge someone's performance based on a few moments. Running down a pedestrian is bad, but it's not like they guy spent more than a few moments during the whole working year doing that. For all we know, he wasn't running down pedestrians for the rest of the year.
I guess that's looking at the "glass half full". Though I would venture US tax payers would not be amused. :lmfao:
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on September 01, 2011, 02:13:51 PM
Wouldn't people doing that stuff get bad reviews and no bonus money?
This is how it works in the USAF.
We essentially rank people between 1-5 (with mostly meaningless, generic "mark downs" in certain areas, training standards, etc), with "3" being average, "1" well below average, and "5" among the very best.
Naturally, everyone gets "5"'s. Unless you get arrested for drunk driving, then you might get a "4". If you try to write up someone below a 5(without an Article 15), you're going to go through ass-hoops trying to justify it.
As such, the culture has become that, if you do not get a "5", then you must be some kind of fuck-up...so if you try to be realistic and use the "3" (which is where most people should be), you are fucking that person over compared to all the shit-bag, pencil-whipped "5"s.
My impression of the civilian side of DoD is that things are not that far different. Except they get cash bonuses, while we might get a certificate, or a cheap pewter-eagle trophy or the like.
Chair Force!
Quote from: DGuller on September 01, 2011, 05:10:22 PM
Seriously, though, you can't judge someone's performance based on a few moments. Running down a pedestrian is bad, but it's not like they guy spent more than a few moments during the whole working year doing that. For all we know, he wasn't running down pedestrians for the rest of the year.
No, but in a sane system, that employee would be disqualified from the bonus, even if the incident didn't significantly harm the performance review.